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Giant_Aspirin 08/14/18 2:06:54 PM #51:	FLUFFYGERM posted... It's only happening in the west because of a concerted and organized effort to brainwash an entire generation into radical leftism, all as a means of trying to collapse America from within. so then why doesn't the free market respond by creating new institutions of higher learning aimed at promoting far-right philosophies? edit: grammar --- Playing: Yakuza Kiwami; Vermintide 2; Dead Cells *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:906869512] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>It's only happening in the west because of a concerted and organized effort to brainwash an entire generation into radical leftism, all as a means of trying to collapse America from within.</quote> so then why doesn't the free market respond by creating new institutions of higher learning aimed at promoting far-right philosophies? edit: grammar</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/14/18 2:07:05 PM #52:	well when you call everything socialism --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:906869527] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote>well when you call everything socialism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roshon 08/14/18 2:07:39 PM #53:	darkphoenix181 posted... They just want free college. And for apple to give all their trillions away so that we all have a living wage. Meanwhile, they have the latest iphone. College used to be free or inexpensive. It keeps getting outrageously higher after each generation. --- ANORA! https://imgur.com/WvXvQIA <cite>Roshon posted [p:906869561] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>They just want free college. And for apple to give all their trillions away so that we all have a living wage. Meanwhile, they have the latest iphone.</quote> College used to be free or inexpensive. It keeps getting outrageously higher after each generation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 08/14/18 2:10:12 PM #54:	FLUFFYGERM posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... Capitalism, and especially the whole Reganomics type, and specifically in the West, hasn't improved the lives of a good number of people which has forced them to look for alternatives. I disagree with your assessment, but it's hilarious that someone who believes this would posit socialism as a viable alternative for improving the standard of living. Even though we've seen throughout the entire 20th and 21st centuries that it simply collapses standards of living and entire countries. I'm not even saying that, only that people shouldn't be surprised to see differing and more "outsider" ideologies on the rise. This isn't a phenomenon with just college students or just on one side, or even in the states, it's happening in all generations across the West entirely. It's only happening in the west because of a concerted and organized effort to brainwash an entire generation into radical leftism, all as a means of trying to collapse America from within. Or you can recognize that this isn't something entirely unique to America and that its occurring across Western capitalist nations that haven't seen the results of the system benefitting them. Explain to me the rise of alternatives to the typical political parties popping up all over with more than inane theories that are quasi talking points from the "Frankfurt School" conspiracy. It's not simply a resentment of capitalism, it's a resentment of the status quo that haven't netted the average person results they thought were coming. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:906869708] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>Capitalism, and especially the whole Reganomics type, and specifically in the West, hasn't improved the lives of a good number of people which has forced them to look for alternatives.</quote> I disagree with your assessment, but it's hilarious that someone who believes this would posit socialism as a viable alternative for improving the standard of living. Even though we've seen throughout the entire 20th and 21st centuries that it simply collapses standards of living and entire countries.</quote> I'm not even saying that, only that people shouldn't be surprised to see differing and more "outsider" ideologies on the rise. This isn't a phenomenon with just college students or just on one side, or even in the states, it's happening in all generations across the West entirely.</quote> It's only happening in the west because of a concerted and organized effort to brainwash an entire generation into radical leftism, all as a means of trying to collapse America from within.</quote> Or you can recognize that this isn't something entirely unique to America and that its occurring across Western capitalist nations that haven't seen the results of the system benefitting them. Explain to me the rise of alternatives to the typical political parties popping up all over with more than inane theories that are quasi talking points from the "Frankfurt School" conspiracy. It's not simply a resentment of capitalism, it's a resentment of the status quo that haven't netted the average person results they thought were coming.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 08/14/18 2:11:00 PM #55:	Coffeebeanz posted... Socialism is great until you're the one paying the taxes As long as you are getting paid enough so that you still have money after taxes it's not a problem. Besides its worth paying for something you may one day need. That said I am in favor of both. There are things that shouldn't be controlled by free market capatalism, like healthcare. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:906869745] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>Socialism is great until you're the one paying the taxes</quote> As long as you are getting paid enough so that you still have money after taxes it's not a problem. Besides its worth paying for something you may one day need. That said I am in favor of both. There are things that shouldn't be controlled by free market capatalism, like healthcare.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 08/14/18 2:11:05 PM #56:	it's a resentment of the status quo that haven't netted the average person results they thought were coming. Because the average person grossly overestimates their worth to society due to years of overinflated self-worth. That's not to say they can't or shouldn't be more successful. Our entire generation has been royally screwed by decades of Boomers (in particular) milking this system dry. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:906869750] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote> it's a resentment of the status quo that haven't netted the average person results they thought were coming. Because the average person grossly overestimates their worth to society due to years of overinflated self-worth. That's not to say they can't or shouldn't be more successful. Our entire generation has been royally screwed by decades of Boomers (in particular) milking this system dry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 08/14/18 2:12:47 PM #57:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Sayoria posted... This is because if you are under 30 years old, you are more than likely never going to see retirement. If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation. This assumes you stash away just $200 a month for that long, and that you never get a raise, never get any match from any employer, and never make extra money from a side business. In other words, if someone is under 30 and is able-bodied and doesn't retire when they reach retirement age, it's because they were being a fucking loser. People generaly live in the moment, and aren't all that concerned with the future. It's not that they never think about it, it's just that they want to have a good time right now. They don't want to save that extra 200 for later. They wanna spend it right now on new toys, eating out at resturants and other entertaining things. We need to teach savings in school, from an early age. Maybe some dicipline classes too. Hell, I would have benefited from that for sure. Maybe I wouldn't be in my current predicament. Student loans out the ass, and little to show for it. --- Voted worst user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 0 wins. 25404 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:906869859] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sayoria posted...</cite> <quote>This is because if you are under 30 years old, you are more than likely never going to see retirement.</quote> If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation. This assumes you stash away just $200 a month for that long, and that you never get a raise, never get any match from any employer, and never make extra money from a side business. In other words, if someone is under 30 and is able-bodied and doesn't retire when they reach retirement age, it's because they were being a fucking loser.</quote> People generaly live in the moment, and aren't all that concerned with the future. It's not that they never think about it, it's just that they want to have a good time right now. They don't want to save that extra 200 for later. They wanna spend it right now on new toys, eating out at resturants and other entertaining things. We need to teach savings in school, from an early age. Maybe some dicipline classes too. Hell, I would have benefited from that for sure. Maybe I wouldn't be in my current predicament. Student loans out the ass, and little to show for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 08/14/18 2:13:07 PM #58:	FLUFFYGERM posted... If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation. 10% growth yearly for 40 years seems like a massive assumption that you're passing off as simple and easy. --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:906869884] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation.</quote> 10% growth yearly for 40 years seems like a massive assumption that you're passing off as simple and easy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 08/14/18 2:14:12 PM #59:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Sayoria posted... This is because if you are under 30 years old, you are more than likely never going to see retirement. If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation. This assumes you stash away just $200 a month for that long, and that you never get a raise, never get any match from any employer, and never make extra money from a side business. In other words, if someone is under 30 and is able-bodied and doesn't retire when they reach retirement age, it's because they were being a fucking loser. You have no idea what the poor and rural part of the country is going through if you feel they can simply "stash away" $200 a month for their entire life with not ever touching it. My advice to you would be actually spend some time in rural America and away from your sheltered existence to meet the people of this country sometime. Or don't and continue being a judgemental asshole, idc --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:906869944] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sayoria posted...</cite> <quote>This is because if you are under 30 years old, you are more than likely never going to see retirement.</quote> If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation. This assumes you stash away just $200 a month for that long, and that you never get a raise, never get any match from any employer, and never make extra money from a side business. In other words, if someone is under 30 and is able-bodied and doesn't retire when they reach retirement age, it's because they were being a fucking loser.</quote> You have no idea what the poor and rural part of the country is going through if you feel they can simply "stash away" $200 a month for their entire life with not ever touching it. My advice to you would be actually spend some time in rural America and away from your sheltered existence to meet the people of this country sometime. Or don't and continue being a judgemental asshole, idc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 08/14/18 2:14:33 PM #60:	Intro2Logic posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation. 10% growth yearly for 40 years seems like a massive assumption that you're passing off as simple and easy. correct. --- Playing: Yakuza Kiwami; Vermintide 2; Dead Cells *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:906869965] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation.</quote> 10% growth yearly for 40 years seems like a massive assumption that you're passing off as simple and easy.</quote> correct.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bloodychess 08/14/18 2:15:21 PM #62:	M_Live posted... Can we get a statistic on how many Republican voeters are on welfare Why do you want just Republican voters? --- To err is human To arr is pirate <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:906870009] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>M_Live posted...</cite> <quote>Can we get a statistic on how many Republican voeters are on welfare</quote> Why do you want just Republican voters?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 08/14/18 2:15:46 PM #63:	M_Live posted... Can we get a statistic on how many Republican voeters are on welfare It'd be almost as interesting as how many Democrats donate to charity. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:906870035] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>M_Live posted...</cite> <quote>Can we get a statistic on how many Republican voeters are on welfare</quote> It'd be almost as interesting as how many Democrats donate to charity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 08/14/18 2:20:07 PM #64:	Roshon posted... darkphoenix181 posted... They just want free college. And for apple to give all their trillions away so that we all have a living wage. Meanwhile, they have the latest iphone. College used to be free or inexpensive. It keeps getting outrageously higher after each generation. Actually, it used to be only the rich went to college. Quite the opposite of your assertion. The real problem is that nowadays a job like secretary requires college degree when it shouldn't. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:906870296] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Roshon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>They just want free college. And for apple to give all their trillions away so that we all have a living wage. Meanwhile, they have the latest iphone.</quote> College used to be free or inexpensive. It keeps getting outrageously higher after each generation.</quote> Actually, it used to be only the rich went to college. Quite the opposite of your assertion. The real problem is that nowadays a job like secretary requires college degree when it shouldn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cosmic_Diabetic 08/14/18 2:20:18 PM #65:	In this topic I have seen all these being posted unironically: the iphones venezuela conspiracy theories of brainwashing of college kids to collapse capitalism not working hard --- Others find humanity by looking in their own hearts. Only lost souls need to search for it outside themselves." <cite>Cosmic_Diabetic posted [p:906870307] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote>In this topic I have seen all these being posted unironically: the iphones venezuela conspiracy theories of brainwashing of college kids to collapse capitalism not working hard</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 08/14/18 2:21:57 PM #66:	I like socialism on paper, I just don't trust human beings to faithful carry out it's ethos --- To err is human To arr is pirate <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:906870398] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote>I like socialism on paper, I just don't trust human beings to faithful carry out it's ethos</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 08/14/18 2:22:04 PM #67:	Iphone was an irony. People being upset about apple being the first trillion dollar company and saying that shouldn't be while having the latest iphone is basic irony. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:906870406] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote>Iphone was an irony. People being upset about apple being the first trillion dollar company and saying that shouldn't be while having the latest iphone is basic irony.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 08/14/18 2:22:55 PM #68:	FLUFFYGERM posted... luigi13579 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... It's only happening in the west because of a concerted and organized effort to brainwash an entire generation into radical leftism, all as a means of trying to collapse America from within. By who (and for what reason)? China, Russia, and probably Saudi Arabia and other middle eastern countries. For the purpose of eliminating the one remaining large roadblock to implementing surveillance states and total control over everyone. Lol --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:906870452] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>luigi13579 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>It's only happening in the west because of a concerted and organized effort to brainwash an entire generation into radical leftism, all as a means of trying to collapse America from within.</quote> By who (and for what reason)?</quote> China, Russia, and probably Saudi Arabia and other middle eastern countries. For the purpose of eliminating the one remaining large roadblock to implementing surveillance states and total control over everyone.</quote> Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 08/14/18 2:23:20 PM #69:	Cosmic_Diabetic posted... In this topic I have seen all these being posted unironically: the iphones venezuela conspiracy theories of brainwashing of college kids to collapse capitalism not working hard not to mention this conspiracy theory is being pushed by the same poster who, ITT, claims capitalism will fix everything. yet, somehow, that same infallible system allows for such conspiracies to flourish. ponders --- Playing: Yakuza Kiwami; Vermintide 2; Dead Cells *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:906870475] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cosmic_Diabetic posted...</cite> <quote>In this topic I have seen all these being posted unironically: the iphones venezuela conspiracy theories of brainwashing of college kids to collapse capitalism not working hard</quote> not to mention this conspiracy theory is being pushed by the same poster who, ITT, claims capitalism will fix everything. yet, somehow, that same infallible system allows for such conspiracies to flourish. ponders</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 08/14/18 2:24:03 PM #70:	Giant_Aspirin posted... Intro2Logic posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation. 10% growth yearly for 40 years seems like a massive assumption that you're passing off as simple and easy. correct. My assumptions were conservative in that I assumed that this person was never earning a raise, was never earning a match from their employer, and was never doing anything on the side to increase their earning potential. The historical average inflation-adjusted return for the S&P 500 is 7%. (Close to 10% before adjusting for inflation). VTSAX 5-year return is 12.81% and anyone who is putting money into the market should spend time balancing their portfolio and moving investments around as needed to keep the performance going. You can find index funds with much higher returns than that. It doesn't take a lot of money each month to get you a comfortable retirement. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:906870512] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation.</quote> 10% growth yearly for 40 years seems like a massive assumption that you're passing off as simple and easy.</quote> correct.</quote> My assumptions were conservative in that I assumed that this person was never earning a raise, was never earning a match from their employer, and was never doing anything on the side to increase their earning potential. The historical average inflation-adjusted return for the S&P 500 is 7%. (Close to 10% before adjusting for inflation). VTSAX 5-year return is 12.81% and anyone who is putting money into the market should spend time balancing their portfolio and moving investments around as needed to keep the performance going. You can find index funds with much higher returns than that. It doesn't take a lot of money each month to get you a comfortable retirement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 08/14/18 2:24:59 PM #71:	Giant_Aspirin posted... Cosmic_Diabetic posted... In this topic I have seen all these being posted unironically: the iphones venezuela conspiracy theories of brainwashing of college kids to collapse capitalism not working hard not to mention this conspiracy theory is being pushed by the same poster who, ITT, claims capitalism will fix everything. yet, somehow, that same infallible system allows for such conspiracies to flourish. ponders it's embarrassing that you think that weird argument you made about the free market creating new education systems was actually an argument, and it's also dishonest of you to lie about me claiming capitalism will fix everything. that's why i've kept my responses to you at a bare minimum lmfao. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:906870567] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cosmic_Diabetic posted...</cite> <quote>In this topic I have seen all these being posted unironically: the iphones venezuela conspiracy theories of brainwashing of college kids to collapse capitalism not working hard</quote> not to mention this conspiracy theory is being pushed by the same poster who, ITT, claims capitalism will fix everything. yet, somehow, that same infallible system allows for such conspiracies to flourish. ponders</quote> it's embarrassing that you think that weird argument you made about the free market creating new education systems was actually an argument, and it's also dishonest of you to lie about me claiming capitalism will fix everything. that's why i've kept my responses to you at a bare minimum lmfao.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YUHH 08/14/18 2:25:02 PM #72:	FLUFFYGERM posted... It doesn't take a lot of money each money --- https://imgur.com/QusJhjm <cite>YUHH posted [p:906870569] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>It doesn't take a lot of money each money</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 08/14/18 2:25:27 PM #73:	YUHH posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... It doesn't take a lot of money each money each month* to get you a comfortable retirement --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:906870596] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>YUHH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>It doesn't take a lot of money each money</quote></quote> each month* to get you a comfortable retirement</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jaded_Dragon 08/14/18 2:28:02 PM #74:	Everybody hates socialism until they need welfare, medicare, social security, or a bailout. Then it's all gravy. --- ~ Not changing this until the Madden Franchise has a decent running game! Started 8/24/2009 --- http://suchanerdpod.podomatic.com/ <cite>Jaded_Dragon posted [p:906870736] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote>Everybody hates socialism until they need welfare, medicare, social security, or a bailout. Then it's all gravy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 08/14/18 2:29:11 PM #75:	Jaded_Dragon posted... Everybody hates socialism until they need welfare, medicare, social security, or a bailout. Then it's all gravy. Then they apply for it and can't get it because the socialist government lied to you. Then the government tries to blame capitalists, or other countries, for your problems. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:906870791] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jaded_Dragon posted...</cite> <quote>Everybody hates socialism until they need welfare, medicare, social security, or a bailout. Then it's all gravy.</quote> Then they apply for it and can't get it because the socialist government lied to you. Then the government tries to blame capitalists, or other countries, for your problems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 08/14/18 2:30:36 PM #76:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Cosmic_Diabetic posted... In this topic I have seen all these being posted unironically: the iphones venezuela conspiracy theories of brainwashing of college kids to collapse capitalism not working hard not to mention this conspiracy theory is being pushed by the same poster who, ITT, claims capitalism will fix everything. yet, somehow, that same infallible system allows for such conspiracies to flourish. ponders it's embarrassing that you think that weird argument you made about the free market creating new education systems was actually an argument, and it's also dishonest of you to lie about me claiming capitalism will fix everything. that's why i've kept my responses to you at a bare minimum lmfao. biut its wildly illogical for someone who continuously spouts the merits of the free market to then blame the same free market for brainwashing constituents against itself. --- Playing: Yakuza Kiwami; Vermintide 2; Dead Cells *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:906870868] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cosmic_Diabetic posted...</cite> <quote>In this topic I have seen all these being posted unironically: the iphones venezuela conspiracy theories of brainwashing of college kids to collapse capitalism not working hard</quote> not to mention this conspiracy theory is being pushed by the same poster who, ITT, claims capitalism will fix everything. yet, somehow, that same infallible system allows for such conspiracies to flourish. ponders</quote> it's embarrassing that you think that weird argument you made about the free market creating new education systems was actually an argument, and it's also dishonest of you to lie about me claiming capitalism will fix everything. that's why i've kept my responses to you at a bare minimum lmfao.</quote> biut its wildly illogical for someone who continuously spouts the merits of the free market to then blame the same free market for brainwashing constituents against itself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 08/14/18 2:30:53 PM #77:	No surprise proudclad believes in schools brainwashing kids when he has posted anti-vax stuff before. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:906870881] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote>No surprise proudclad believes in schools brainwashing kids when he has posted anti-vax stuff before.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 08/14/18 2:31:31 PM #78:	Tmaster148 posted... No surprise proudclad believes in schools brainwashing kids when he has posted anti-vax stuff before. Aren't hippie-dippie commune types the most likely to be anti-vaxxers? --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:906870914] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>No surprise proudclad believes in schools brainwashing kids when he has posted anti-vax stuff before.</quote> Aren't hippie-dippie commune types the most likely to be anti-vaxxers?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 08/14/18 2:31:31 PM #79:	I haven't posted anti-vax stuff, that's a blatant lie. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:906870915] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote>I haven't posted anti-vax stuff, that's a blatant lie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 08/14/18 2:32:19 PM #80:	Coffeebeanz posted... Tmaster148 posted... No surprise proudclad believes in schools brainwashing kids when he has posted anti-vax stuff before. Aren't hippie-dippie commune types the most likely to be anti-vaxxers? Leftists were the ones who originally started on the anti-vax anti-gmo train, it's true. And he's lying, he knows I'm not an anti-vaxxer but keeps spreading that lie because I argued that governments should not have the authority to forcibly inject people with vaccines. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:906870956] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>No surprise proudclad believes in schools brainwashing kids when he has posted anti-vax stuff before.</quote> Aren't hippie-dippie commune types the most likely to be anti-vaxxers?</quote> Leftists were the ones who originally started on the anti-vax anti-gmo train, it's true. And he's lying, he knows I'm not an anti-vaxxer but keeps spreading that lie because I argued that governments should not have the authority to forcibly inject people with vaccines.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 08/14/18 2:32:43 PM #81:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Intro2Logic posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation. 10% growth yearly for 40 years seems like a massive assumption that you're passing off as simple and easy. correct. My assumptions were conservative in that I assumed that this person was never earning a raise, was never earning a match from their employer, and was never doing anything on the side to increase their earning potential. The historical average inflation-adjusted return for the S&P 500 is 7%. (Close to 10% before adjusting for inflation). VTSAX 5-year return is 12.81% and anyone who is putting money into the market should spend time balancing their portfolio and moving investments around as needed to keep the performance going. You can find index funds with much higher returns than that. It doesn't take a lot of money each month to get you a comfortable retirement. your assumption also conveniently ignores the possibility of a financial tragedy like a layoff or a serious medical problem. this mentality of "its trivially simple for everyone to save $X/month" is just rooted in ignorance and privilege. --- Playing: Yakuza Kiwami; Vermintide 2; Dead Cells *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:906870976] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation.</quote> 10% growth yearly for 40 years seems like a massive assumption that you're passing off as simple and easy.</quote> correct.</quote> My assumptions were conservative in that I assumed that this person was never earning a raise, was never earning a match from their employer, and was never doing anything on the side to increase their earning potential. The historical average inflation-adjusted return for the S&P 500 is 7%. (Close to 10% before adjusting for inflation). VTSAX 5-year return is 12.81% and anyone who is putting money into the market should spend time balancing their portfolio and moving investments around as needed to keep the performance going. You can find index funds with much higher returns than that. It doesn't take a lot of money each month to get you a comfortable retirement.</quote> your assumption also conveniently ignores the possibility of a financial tragedy like a layoff or a serious medical problem. this mentality of "its trivially simple for everyone to save $X/month" is just rooted in ignorance and privilege.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 08/14/18 2:33:28 PM #82:	Good. Time to try something different. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:906871015] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote>Good. Time to try something different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 08/14/18 2:34:06 PM #83:	FLUFFYGERM posted... I haven't posted anti-vax stuff, that's a blatant lie. You used the immigrant children being sedated by Trump admin as a reason we shouldn't let the government vaccine children --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:906871050] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>I haven't posted anti-vax stuff, that's a blatant lie.</quote> You used the immigrant children being sedated by Trump admin as a reason we shouldn't let the government vaccine children</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 08/14/18 2:35:19 PM #84:	Giant_Aspirin posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Intro2Logic posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation. 10% growth yearly for 40 years seems like a massive assumption that you're passing off as simple and easy. correct. My assumptions were conservative in that I assumed that this person was never earning a raise, was never earning a match from their employer, and was never doing anything on the side to increase their earning potential. The historical average inflation-adjusted return for the S&P 500 is 7%. (Close to 10% before adjusting for inflation). VTSAX 5-year return is 12.81% and anyone who is putting money into the market should spend time balancing their portfolio and moving investments around as needed to keep the performance going. You can find index funds with much higher returns than that. It doesn't take a lot of money each month to get you a comfortable retirement. your assumption also conveniently ignores the possibility of a financial tragedy like a layoff or a serious medical problem. this mentality of "its trivially simple for everyone to save $X/month" is just rooted in ignorance and privilege. No, it's not rooted in ignorance or privilege at all. It's rooted in basic math and access to freely available data on the average household income. And I already specified that we're talking about able-bodied people. Obviously someone who can't work anymore is an exception to that. But note how you have to be dishonest and always zero in on the edge cases that you think prove your point, rather than make any concessions whatsoever about what the average person can accomplish and does accomplish. People routinely spend much more than $100 a month on coffee, cable, exorbitant car payments for more car than they need, and just general waste. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:906871140] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation.</quote> 10% growth yearly for 40 years seems like a massive assumption that you're passing off as simple and easy.</quote> correct.</quote> My assumptions were conservative in that I assumed that this person was never earning a raise, was never earning a match from their employer, and was never doing anything on the side to increase their earning potential. The historical average inflation-adjusted return for the S&P 500 is 7%. (Close to 10% before adjusting for inflation). VTSAX 5-year return is 12.81% and anyone who is putting money into the market should spend time balancing their portfolio and moving investments around as needed to keep the performance going. You can find index funds with much higher returns than that. It doesn't take a lot of money each month to get you a comfortable retirement.</quote> your assumption also conveniently ignores the possibility of a financial tragedy like a layoff or a serious medical problem. this mentality of "its trivially simple for everyone to save $X/month" is just rooted in ignorance and privilege.</quote> No, it's not rooted in ignorance or privilege at all. It's rooted in basic math and access to freely available data on the average household income. And I already specified that we're talking about able-bodied people. Obviously someone who can't work anymore is an exception to that. But note how you have to be dishonest and always zero in on the edge cases that you think prove your point, rather than make any concessions whatsoever about what the average person can accomplish and does accomplish. People routinely spend much more than $100 a month on coffee, cable, exorbitant car payments for more car than they need, and just general waste.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/14/18 2:35:27 PM #85:	Coffeebeanz posted... Tmaster148 posted... No surprise proudclad believes in schools brainwashing kids when he has posted anti-vax stuff before. Aren't hippie-dippie commune types the most likely to be anti-vaxxers? No. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5784985/ --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:906871146] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>No surprise proudclad believes in schools brainwashing kids when he has posted anti-vax stuff before.</quote> Aren't hippie-dippie commune types the most likely to be anti-vaxxers?</quote> No. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5784985/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 08/14/18 2:35:47 PM #86:	Tmaster148 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... I haven't posted anti-vax stuff, that's a blatant lie. You used the immigrant children being sedated by Trump admin as a reason we shouldn't let the government vaccine children And only the most ignorant and dishonest individuals could assume that's an argument against vaccinations. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:906871171] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>I haven't posted anti-vax stuff, that's a blatant lie.</quote> You used the immigrant children being sedated by Trump admin as a reason we shouldn't let the government vaccine children</quote> And only the most ignorant and dishonest individuals could assume that's an argument against vaccinations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 08/14/18 2:37:13 PM #87:	When you gonna buy that book for me to read? --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:906871243] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote>When you gonna buy that book for me to read?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 08/14/18 2:38:01 PM #88:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Intro2Logic posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation. 10% growth yearly for 40 years seems like a massive assumption that you're passing off as simple and easy. correct. My assumptions were conservative in that I assumed that this person was never earning a raise, was never earning a match from their employer, and was never doing anything on the side to increase their earning potential. The historical average inflation-adjusted return for the S&P 500 is 7%. (Close to 10% before adjusting for inflation). VTSAX 5-year return is 12.81% and anyone who is putting money into the market should spend time balancing their portfolio and moving investments around as needed to keep the performance going. You can find index funds with much higher returns than that. It doesn't take a lot of money each month to get you a comfortable retirement. your assumption also conveniently ignores the possibility of a financial tragedy like a layoff or a serious medical problem. this mentality of "its trivially simple for everyone to save $X/month" is just rooted in ignorance and privilege. No, it's not rooted in ignorance or privilege at all. It's rooted in basic math and access to freely available data on the average household income. And I already specified that we're talking about able-bodied people. Obviously someone who can't work anymore is an exception to that. But note how you have to be dishonest and always zero in on the edge cases that you think prove your point, rather than make any concessions whatsoever about what the average person can accomplish and does accomplish. People routinely spend much more than $100 a month on coffee, cable, exorbitant car payments for more car than they need, and just general waste. some people do. some people don't and are still poor. not recognizing that is intellectually dishonest. --- Playing: Yakuza Kiwami; Vermintide 2; Dead Cells *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:906871282] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>If you invest $200 a month from ages 25 to 67 at 10% per year, you will end up with $1,550,794 at retirement age. $633,409 when adjusted for inflation.</quote> 10% growth yearly for 40 years seems like a massive assumption that you're passing off as simple and easy.</quote> correct.</quote> My assumptions were conservative in that I assumed that this person was never earning a raise, was never earning a match from their employer, and was never doing anything on the side to increase their earning potential. The historical average inflation-adjusted return for the S&P 500 is 7%. (Close to 10% before adjusting for inflation). VTSAX 5-year return is 12.81% and anyone who is putting money into the market should spend time balancing their portfolio and moving investments around as needed to keep the performance going. You can find index funds with much higher returns than that. It doesn't take a lot of money each month to get you a comfortable retirement.</quote> your assumption also conveniently ignores the possibility of a financial tragedy like a layoff or a serious medical problem. this mentality of "its trivially simple for everyone to save $X/month" is just rooted in ignorance and privilege.</quote> No, it's not rooted in ignorance or privilege at all. It's rooted in basic math and access to freely available data on the average household income. And I already specified that we're talking about able-bodied people. Obviously someone who can't work anymore is an exception to that. But note how you have to be dishonest and always zero in on the edge cases that you think prove your point, rather than make any concessions whatsoever about what the average person can accomplish and does accomplish. People routinely spend much more than $100 a month on coffee, cable, exorbitant car payments for more car than they need, and just general waste.</quote> some people do. some people don't and are still poor. not recognizing that is intellectually dishonest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 08/14/18 2:41:58 PM #90:	Capitalism - saving money and therefore your comfort after retirement are up to you Socialism - saving money and therefore your comfort after retirement are up to the government It's really that simple. In America there's a mix of both with Social Security and Medicare, but it's mostly capitalism. You have to take the initiative to save your money. You have to decide to live frugally now because if you invest your money, it will pay off greatly by the time you retire. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:906871509] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote>Capitalism - saving money and therefore your comfort after retirement are up to you Socialism - saving money and therefore your comfort after retirement are up to the government It's really that simple. In America there's a mix of both with Social Security and Medicare, but it's mostly capitalism. You have to take the initiative to save your money. You have to decide to live frugally now because if you invest your money, it will pay off greatly by the time you retire.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 08/14/18 2:43:44 PM #91:	Proud again showing his blatant ignorance and how out of touch he is with the average American. My guess is you grew up in an upper middle class suburb and yet think you know and relate to the rural working man in America. How fucking out of touch you are --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:906871614] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote>Proud again showing his blatant ignorance and how out of touch he is with the average American. My guess is you grew up in an upper middle class suburb and yet think you know and relate to the rural working man in America. How fucking out of touch you are</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/14/18 2:48:15 PM #92:	Doom_Art posted... Makes sense. Young generation got a raw deal and the solution the older generation has is to dismiss their concerns with "work harder" Not suggesting that I endorse socialism as a governing philosphy btw The younger generation got that raw deal d7e to Socialism, though. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906871862] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Makes sense. Young generation got a raw deal and the solution the older generation has is to dismiss their concerns with "work harder" Not suggesting that I endorse socialism as a governing philosphy btw</quote> The younger generation got that raw deal d7e to Socialism, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/14/18 2:51:29 PM #93:	Kineth posted... When you gonna buy that book for me to read? You have proven many, many times that you can't read, so why waste the money? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906872010] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>When you gonna buy that book for me to read?</quote> You have proven many, many times that you can't read, so why waste the money?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 08/14/18 2:52:49 PM #94:	What is the life of the average American, Muta? --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:906872076] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote>What is the life of the average American, Muta?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/14/18 2:53:09 PM #95:	darkjedilink posted... The younger generation got that raw deal d7e to Socialism, though ...what --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:906872092] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>The younger generation got that raw deal d7e to Socialism, though</quote> ...what</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 08/14/18 2:53:13 PM #96:	Kineth posted... When you gonna buy that book for me to read? check your pms The Great Muta 22 posted... Proud again showing his blatant ignorance and how out of touch he is with the average American. My guess is you grew up in an upper middle class suburb and yet think you know and relate to the rural working man in America. How fucking out of touch you are lmfao I grew up in a large lower middle class (and when the recession hit lower class) family in the south side of chicago --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:906872098] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>When you gonna buy that book for me to read?</quote> check your pms <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>Proud again showing his blatant ignorance and how out of touch he is with the average American. My guess is you grew up in an upper middle class suburb and yet think you know and relate to the rural working man in America. How fucking out of touch you are</quote> lmfao I grew up in a large lower middle class (and when the recession hit lower class) family in the south side of chicago</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 08/14/18 2:54:30 PM #97:	Doom_Art posted... darkjedilink posted... The younger generation got that raw deal d7e to Socialism, though ...what Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security - all socialist policies that literally are the root of our financial problems. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:906872157] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>The younger generation got that raw deal d7e to Socialism, though</quote> ...what</quote> Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security - all socialist policies that literally are the root of our financial problems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YUHH 08/14/18 2:55:42 PM #98:	darkjedilink posted... Doom_Art posted... darkjedilink posted... The younger generation got that raw deal d7e to Socialism, though ...what Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security - all socialist policies that literally are the root of our financial problems. I'd lean more towards the insane military spending but that's just me --- https://imgur.com/QusJhjm <cite>YUHH posted [p:906872235] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>The younger generation got that raw deal d7e to Socialism, though</quote> ...what</quote> Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security - all socialist policies that literally are the root of our financial problems.</quote> I'd lean more towards the insane military spending but that's just me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 08/14/18 2:56:18 PM #99:	darkjedilink posted... Doom_Art posted... darkjedilink posted... The younger generation got that raw deal d7e to Socialism, though ...what Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security - all socialist policies that literally are the root of our financial problems. stagnating wages that dont keep pace with economic growth has nothing to do with it? interesting --- Playing: Yakuza Kiwami; Vermintide 2; Dead Cells *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:906872273] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>The younger generation got that raw deal d7e to Socialism, though</quote> ...what</quote> Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security - all socialist policies that literally are the root of our financial problems.</quote> stagnating wages that dont keep pace with economic growth has nothing to do with it? interesting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FL81 08/14/18 2:56:54 PM #101:	YUHH posted... darkjedilink posted... Doom_Art posted... darkjedilink posted... The younger generation got that raw deal d7e to Socialism, though ...what Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security - all socialist policies that literally are the root of our financial problems. I'd lean more towards the insane military spending but that's just me tbh we need to cut spending everywhere --- https://imgtc.com/i/uBYqPMK.gif https://imgtc.com/i/UAGNJFv.gif https://imgtc.com/i/cBTnWgf.png https://imgtc.com/i/wdjM3F8.png <cite>FL81 posted [p:906872309] in More young... [t:76902392]...</cite> <quote><cite>YUHH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>The younger generation got that raw deal d7e to Socialism, though</quote> ...what</quote> Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security - all socialist policies that literally are the root of our financial problems.</quote> I'd lean more towards the insane military spending but that's just me</quote> tbh we need to cut spending everywhere</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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