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silentwing26x 07/30/18 1:02:05 PM #103:	Balrog0 posted... silentwing26x posted... How do you think income and home ownership intersected throughout history? And especially in the mid and late 2000s. I dunno, maybe some day I'll write a think piece about it and not actually cover that topic and some prominent public intellectual can talk to me for 2 hours about it :) >______> <______< <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905968802] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote> How do you think income and home ownership intersected throughout history? And especially in the mid and late 2000s.</quote> I dunno, maybe some day I'll write a think piece about it and not actually cover that topic and some prominent public intellectual can talk to me for 2 hours about it :)</quote> >______> <______<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 07/30/18 1:03:37 PM #105:	silentwing26x posted... legendary_zell posted... silentwing26x posted... legendary_zell posted... silentwing26x posted... @Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts. Pot meet kettle. Everything you've said here applies directly to you and always has, whether it's religion, capitalism, or Elon Musk. You fundamentally cannot help but become a hard liner for whatever belief system or person you're obsessed with this year. It shows an unbelievable lack of self awareness for you of all people to label someone else as doctrinaire. I haven't said anything especially left wing or SJW like on this board or in real life. You are simply the same Proudclad that's always viewed those that don't believe as you believe to be idiots foaming at the mouth. I've practiced and continue to practice changing my beliefs whenever new and better evidence becomes available. Even when it meant a massive 180 switch from my previous beliefs and acknowledging that I was egregiously wrong about something. That's not something you can say about yourself, so I'm not going to place any stock into your accusations/barbs. It's not about your beliefs, it's about your attitude. I'm saying that regardless of your beliefs, you still have the same dogmatic attitude underlying everything and that's something anyone can see. Going from militant Christianity to militant atheism along with militant capitalism isn't as impressive when you approach all of them with the same attitude. We're not even talking about the TCs point though. Or my original point in this topic. You mistake confidence in what is the best available evidence I've got with dogma. I'm demonstrably not dogmatic because I consider alternative explanations of the evidence all the time. All you're doing is trying to refute any possible thing I say by pointing to a supposed character flaw because you know you wouldn't be able to refute what I say. This is absolutely amazing. Don't you realize this whole thing started when you actually did that to me? Talk about projection. People who actually act based on evidence and not ideology are a lot less certain and a lot less abrasive than you generally. My goal isn't to character assassinate you as you clearly attempted to do to me, it's to point out a long standing pattern that is evident even when I agree with you. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:905968893] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>@Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts.</quote> Pot meet kettle. Everything you've said here applies directly to you and always has, whether it's religion, capitalism, or Elon Musk. You fundamentally cannot help but become a hard liner for whatever belief system or person you're obsessed with this year. It shows an unbelievable lack of self awareness for you of all people to label someone else as doctrinaire. I haven't said anything especially left wing or SJW like on this board or in real life. You are simply the same Proudclad that's always viewed those that don't believe as you believe to be idiots foaming at the mouth.</quote> I've practiced and continue to practice changing my beliefs whenever new and better evidence becomes available. Even when it meant a massive 180 switch from my previous beliefs and acknowledging that I was egregiously wrong about something. That's not something you can say about yourself, so I'm not going to place any stock into your accusations/barbs.</quote> It's not about your beliefs, it's about your attitude. I'm saying that regardless of your beliefs, you still have the same dogmatic attitude underlying everything and that's something anyone can see. Going from militant Christianity to militant atheism along with militant capitalism isn't as impressive when you approach all of them with the same attitude. We're not even talking about the TCs point though. Or my original point in this topic.</quote> You mistake confidence in what is the best available evidence I've got with dogma. I'm demonstrably not dogmatic because I consider alternative explanations of the evidence all the time. All you're doing is trying to refute any possible thing I say by pointing to a supposed character flaw because you know you wouldn't be able to refute what I say.</quote> This is absolutely amazing. Don't you realize this whole thing started when you actually did that to me? Talk about projection. People who actually act based on evidence and not ideology are a lot less certain and a lot less abrasive than you generally. My goal isn't to character assassinate you as you clearly attempted to do to me, it's to point out a long standing pattern that is evident even when I agree with you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 1:03:46 PM #106:	DuneMan posted... legendary_zell posted... Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? This, so goddamn much. For all the glib jokes about how SJW leftists are crazy and eat their own, etc, etc, people on the right also employ truncheons to beat people over the head with their ideology. It doesn't work, no matter what part of the political spectrum is being represented. Take a far-left commie as an example. There's several on CE. You can slap them upside down with all kinds of high-quality evidence on what's really happening in the world and why Marx was wrong and etc. And they won't be convinced. I've accrued a substantial amount of evidence of this from CE itself, where far-left commies would make egregiously incorrect statements and then double down on them after being presented with the evidence. You actually won't convince someone with evidence/debate some of the time. And that is when mockery becomes an effective tool. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905968902] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuneMan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? </quote> This, so goddamn much. For all the glib jokes about how SJW leftists are crazy and eat their own, etc, etc, people on the right also employ truncheons to beat people over the head with their ideology. It doesn't work, no matter what part of the political spectrum is being represented.</quote> Take a far-left commie as an example. There's several on CE. You can slap them upside down with all kinds of high-quality evidence on what's really happening in the world and why Marx was wrong and etc. And they won't be convinced. I've accrued a substantial amount of evidence of this from CE itself, where far-left commies would make egregiously incorrect statements and then double down on them after being presented with the evidence. You actually won't convince someone with evidence/debate some of the time. And that is when mockery becomes an effective tool.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 07/30/18 1:04:44 PM #107:	silentwing26x posted... If that sounds too hard to believe, see for yourself in Steven Pinker's fantastic new book Enlightenment Now. It's an excellent read, full of analysis of actual data/studies on topics ranging from global warming, happiness, safety, education, healthcare, food, etc. I'm curious what you make of these critiques? I haven't read the book, but these suggest that he gets the Enlightenment rather wrong https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2018/02/unenlightened-thinking-steven-pinker-s-embarrassing-new-book-feeble-sermon https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/03/12/what-steven-pinker-gets-wrong-about-economic-inequality-and-the-enlightenment/ https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/5/17/17362548/pinker-enlightenment-now-two-cultures-rationality-war-debate https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/books/review-enlightenment-now-steven-pinker.html --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:905968945] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>If that sounds too hard to believe, see for yourself in Steven Pinker's fantastic new book Enlightenment Now. It's an excellent read, full of analysis of actual data/studies on topics ranging from global warming, happiness, safety, education, healthcare, food, etc. </quote> I'm curious what you make of these critiques? I haven't read the book, but these suggest that he gets the Enlightenment rather wrong https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2018/02/unenlightened-thinking-steven-pinker-s-embarrassing-new-book-feeble-sermon https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/03/12/what-steven-pinker-gets-wrong-about-economic-inequality-and-the-enlightenment/ https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/5/17/17362548/pinker-enlightenment-now-two-cultures-rationality-war-debate https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/books/review-enlightenment-now-steven-pinker.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 1:04:58 PM #108:	legendary_zell posted... silentwing26x posted... legendary_zell posted... silentwing26x posted... legendary_zell posted... silentwing26x posted... @Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts. Pot meet kettle. Everything you've said here applies directly to you and always has, whether it's religion, capitalism, or Elon Musk. You fundamentally cannot help but become a hard liner for whatever belief system or person you're obsessed with this year. It shows an unbelievable lack of self awareness for you of all people to label someone else as doctrinaire. I haven't said anything especially left wing or SJW like on this board or in real life. You are simply the same Proudclad that's always viewed those that don't believe as you believe to be idiots foaming at the mouth. I've practiced and continue to practice changing my beliefs whenever new and better evidence becomes available. Even when it meant a massive 180 switch from my previous beliefs and acknowledging that I was egregiously wrong about something. That's not something you can say about yourself, so I'm not going to place any stock into your accusations/barbs. It's not about your beliefs, it's about your attitude. I'm saying that regardless of your beliefs, you still have the same dogmatic attitude underlying everything and that's something anyone can see. Going from militant Christianity to militant atheism along with militant capitalism isn't as impressive when you approach all of them with the same attitude. We're not even talking about the TCs point though. Or my original point in this topic. You mistake confidence in what is the best available evidence I've got with dogma. I'm demonstrably not dogmatic because I consider alternative explanations of the evidence all the time. All you're doing is trying to refute any possible thing I say by pointing to a supposed character flaw because you know you wouldn't be able to refute what I say. This is absolutely amazing. Don't you realize this whole thing started when you actually did that to me? Talk about projection. People who actually act based on evidence and not ideology are a lot less certain and a lot less abrasive than you generally. My goal isn't to character assassinate you as you clearly attempted to do to me, it's to point out a long standing pattern that is evident even when I agree with you. Hmmm, well you're not wrong. I apologize for that. I saw your responses to Anarchy_Juiblex and thought they were...rather representative, so I decided to interject too. But if you promise to do better then I'll promise to do better too. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905968959] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>@Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts.</quote> Pot meet kettle. Everything you've said here applies directly to you and always has, whether it's religion, capitalism, or Elon Musk. You fundamentally cannot help but become a hard liner for whatever belief system or person you're obsessed with this year. It shows an unbelievable lack of self awareness for you of all people to label someone else as doctrinaire. I haven't said anything especially left wing or SJW like on this board or in real life. You are simply the same Proudclad that's always viewed those that don't believe as you believe to be idiots foaming at the mouth.</quote> I've practiced and continue to practice changing my beliefs whenever new and better evidence becomes available. Even when it meant a massive 180 switch from my previous beliefs and acknowledging that I was egregiously wrong about something. That's not something you can say about yourself, so I'm not going to place any stock into your accusations/barbs.</quote> It's not about your beliefs, it's about your attitude. I'm saying that regardless of your beliefs, you still have the same dogmatic attitude underlying everything and that's something anyone can see. Going from militant Christianity to militant atheism along with militant capitalism isn't as impressive when you approach all of them with the same attitude. We're not even talking about the TCs point though. Or my original point in this topic.</quote> You mistake confidence in what is the best available evidence I've got with dogma. I'm demonstrably not dogmatic because I consider alternative explanations of the evidence all the time. All you're doing is trying to refute any possible thing I say by pointing to a supposed character flaw because you know you wouldn't be able to refute what I say.</quote> This is absolutely amazing. Don't you realize this whole thing started when you actually did that to me? Talk about projection. People who actually act based on evidence and not ideology are a lot less certain and a lot less abrasive than you generally. My goal isn't to character assassinate you as you clearly attempted to do to me, it's to point out a long standing pattern that is evident even when I agree with you.</quote> Hmmm, well you're not wrong. I apologize for that. I saw your responses to Anarchy_Juiblex and thought they were...rather representative, so I decided to interject too. But if you promise to do better then I'll promise to do better too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BruceWayneJr 07/30/18 1:05:25 PM #109:	legendary_zell posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... legendary_zell posted... . You are radically socially conservative when it comes to race In what way? You act like I'm pro-segregation or some insane thing like that. It's not conservative to recognize what they cover in the video. What exactly position are you referring to and why is that the litmus test for social liberalism? I was making my bones as a proponent of liberal positions, like gay marriage specifically, over a decade before Obama took it and before most of the kiddies were even on this fucking site. Or maybe it's not conservatism, it's just a systematic lack of empathy and a tendency to freak out over brown identity politics. It's not freaking out, what you people don't see is that white identity politics is going to be the necessary response to brown identity politics. Identity politics is fucking bad full stop. I've seen you post some heinous stuff about migrants, brown people in Israel, and several other things. Including supporting forced sterilizations in Israel. You attempt to present yourself as a reasonable liberal who is just tired of far left insanity, and you may have been that at one point but you absolutely don't recognize when you go way too far in the opposite direction. Like arguing that white identity politics is a necessary response to brown identity politics. That's my ultimate problem with you "I'm not a social conservative" types. You've recoiled so hard from the left that you forgot to not advocate for human rights abuses. They didn't forget; it was never on their mind. These are narcissistic, selfish folks who create solutions that work only for themselves and their circle, and then they expect everyone else to appreciate those solutions when it's obvious that they don't take the welfare of anyone else to account. Giving any kind of serious attention to these narrow, poorly-thought out and shortsighted views has effectively poisoned the well of discourse that seeks for real solutions for real problems that affect varieties of people. --- He might be the president, but it's not his country. <cite>BruceWayneJr posted [p:905968989] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>. You are radically socially conservative when it comes to race</quote> In what way? You act like I'm pro-segregation or some insane thing like that. It's not conservative to recognize what they cover in the video. What exactly position are you referring to and why is that the litmus test for social liberalism? I was making my bones as a proponent of liberal positions, like gay marriage specifically, over a decade before Obama took it and before most of the kiddies were even on this fucking site. <quote>Or maybe it's not conservatism, it's just a systematic lack of empathy and a tendency to freak out over brown identity politics. </quote> It's not freaking out, what you people don't see is that white identity politics is going to be the necessary response to brown identity politics. Identity politics is fucking bad full stop.</quote> I've seen you post some heinous stuff about migrants, brown people in Israel, and several other things. Including supporting forced sterilizations in Israel. You attempt to present yourself as a reasonable liberal who is just tired of far left insanity, and you may have been that at one point but you absolutely don't recognize when you go way too far in the opposite direction. Like arguing that white identity politics is a necessary response to brown identity politics. That's my ultimate problem with you "I'm not a social conservative" types. You've recoiled so hard from the left that you forgot to not advocate for human rights abuses.</quote> They didn't forget; it was never on their mind. These are narcissistic, selfish folks who create solutions that work only for themselves and their circle, and then they expect everyone else to appreciate those solutions when it's obvious that they don't take the welfare of anyone else to account. Giving any kind of serious attention to these narrow, poorly-thought out and shortsighted views has effectively poisoned the well of discourse that seeks for real solutions for real problems that affect varieties of people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 1:06:42 PM #110:	Intro2Logic posted... silentwing26x posted... If that sounds too hard to believe, see for yourself in Steven Pinker's fantastic new book Enlightenment Now. It's an excellent read, full of analysis of actual data/studies on topics ranging from global warming, happiness, safety, education, healthcare, food, etc. I'm curious what you make of these critiques? I haven't read the book, but these suggest that he gets the Enlightenment rather wrong https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2018/02/unenlightened-thinking-steven-pinker-s-embarrassing-new-book-feeble-sermon https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/03/12/what-steven-pinker-gets-wrong-about-economic-inequality-and-the-enlightenment/ https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/5/17/17362548/pinker-enlightenment-now-two-cultures-rationality-war-debate https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/books/review-enlightenment-now-steven-pinker.html I'll take a look at them, but note that while someone can argue with Pinker's interpretation of the philosophical underpinnings of the Enlightenment...it'll be a challenge to disagree with his analysis of the actual data that supports the claims he makes about things like violence, resources, climate change, food, healthcare, happiness, etc. It's a long book and he definitely does a lot of talking about the enlightenment and philosophy, but most of the book is about objectively measuring the trajectory we are on as a species and how far we've come in the last few hundred years. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905969051] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>If that sounds too hard to believe, see for yourself in Steven Pinker's fantastic new book Enlightenment Now. It's an excellent read, full of analysis of actual data/studies on topics ranging from global warming, happiness, safety, education, healthcare, food, etc. </quote> I'm curious what you make of these critiques? I haven't read the book, but these suggest that he gets the Enlightenment rather wrong https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2018/02/unenlightened-thinking-steven-pinker-s-embarrassing-new-book-feeble-sermon https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/03/12/what-steven-pinker-gets-wrong-about-economic-inequality-and-the-enlightenment/ https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/5/17/17362548/pinker-enlightenment-now-two-cultures-rationality-war-debate https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/books/review-enlightenment-now-steven-pinker.html</quote> I'll take a look at them, but note that while someone can argue with Pinker's interpretation of the philosophical underpinnings of the Enlightenment...it'll be a challenge to disagree with his analysis of the actual data that supports the claims he makes about things like violence, resources, climate change, food, healthcare, happiness, etc. It's a long book and he definitely does a lot of talking about the enlightenment and philosophy, but most of the book is about objectively measuring the trajectory we are on as a species and how far we've come in the last few hundred years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DuneMan 07/30/18 1:07:54 PM #111:	Are there any pure communists about though? Pure communism is total failure. It usually results in stagnation and starvation. Pure capitalism led to the Gilded Age, and eventually that house of cards collapses on itself. Most Western governments in the world today aim for what one call Socially Responsible Capitalism. Essentially that the profit motive should be overridden in specific areas, e.g. healthcare, and that income disparity between the top and bottom of society should be capped. --- "I'd rather betray the world than let the world betray me." -Cao Cao <cite>DuneMan posted [p:905969110] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>Are there any pure communists about though? Pure communism is total failure. It usually results in stagnation and starvation. Pure capitalism led to the Gilded Age, and eventually that house of cards collapses on itself. Most Western governments in the world today aim for what one call Socially Responsible Capitalism. Essentially that the profit motive should be overridden in specific areas, e.g. healthcare, and that income disparity between the top and bottom of society should be capped.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/30/18 1:09:32 PM #112:	or for another instance of a weakness I see in the article: he cites a study which shows that only 5 percent and 27 percent of the racial wealth gap are explained by family inheritance and homeownership respectively however, that report itself notes that the second biggest driver of the wealth gap is differences in family income which are themselves only relevant because black homes have much lower savings At the respective wealth medians, every dollar increase in average income over the 25-year study period added $5.19 wealth13 for white households (see Figure 3), while the same income gain only added 69 cents of wealth for African American households. The statistics cited above compare change in wealth over the 25 years at the median wealth for typical white and black households. Yet we already know that the average white family starts out with abundantly more wealth and significantly higher incomes than the average black family. When whites and blacks start off on an equal playing field with a similar wealth portfolio, their wealth returns from similar income gains narrow considerably. Black families under this scenario see a return of $4.03 for each dollar increase in income a considerable closing of the wealth breach. so the 5% of the wealth gap attributable to family savings and inheritance is only after you price out the interaction between income and wealth if you didn't do that then you would see that wealth + income explains a combined 25% of the racial wealth gap (and they handle unemployment separately, even though that has obvious implications for income, so you might argue it would be higher) idk I just didn't find the argument very compelling when I looked at the things he was citing --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905969192] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>or for another instance of a weakness I see in the article: he cites a study which shows that only 5 percent and 27 percent of the racial wealth gap are explained by family inheritance and homeownership respectively however, that report itself notes that the second biggest driver of the wealth gap is differences in family income which are themselves only relevant because black homes have much lower savings At the respective wealth medians, every dollar increase in average income over the 25-year study period added $5.19 wealth13 for white households (see Figure 3), while the same income gain only added 69 cents of wealth for African American households. The statistics cited above compare change in wealth over the 25 years at the median wealth for typical white and black households. Yet we already know that the average white family starts out with abundantly more wealth and significantly higher incomes than the average black family. When whites and blacks start off on an equal playing field with a similar wealth portfolio, their wealth returns from similar income gains narrow considerably. Black families under this scenario see a return of $4.03 for each dollar increase in income a considerable closing of the wealth breach. so the 5% of the wealth gap attributable to family savings and inheritance is only after you price out the interaction between income and wealth if you didn't do that then you would see that wealth + income explains a combined 25% of the racial wealth gap (and they handle unemployment separately, even though that has obvious implications for income, so you might argue it would be higher) idk I just didn't find the argument very compelling when I looked at the things he was citing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 07/30/18 1:09:41 PM #113:	BlueJester007 posted... Taharqa_ posted... Yeah, lets hope on the good nature of folks that would sic attack dogs and fire hoses on protestors, bomb churches, lynch and assassinate people who tried to advocate for civil rights. I didnt say that. Like I said, this is a complex problem that cant be solved with a band-aid like the federal government applied. This is a problem that requires far more unconventional means to solve. This country would have been torn apart in the late 60s and 70s had it not been for Federal intervention. Short of a Care Bears change of heart to segregationists I don't know what else could have been done aside from creating laws and actually enforcing them as opposed to what happened during the failure of Reconstruction. People had grown tired of the nonviolent movements in response to folks that didn't give two shits about their rights. The National Black Panther party was created as a response to police brutality and people were taking up arms and said enough is enough. The country was a fucking powder keg. --- "If you want to move fast, practice slowly...if you want to move like lightning, practice in stillness." <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:905969198] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueJester007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, lets hope on the good nature of folks that would sic attack dogs and fire hoses on protestors, bomb churches, lynch and assassinate people who tried to advocate for civil rights.</quote> I didnt say that. Like I said, this is a complex problem that cant be solved with a band-aid like the federal government applied. This is a problem that requires far more unconventional means to solve.</quote> This country would have been torn apart in the late 60s and 70s had it not been for Federal intervention. Short of a Care Bears change of heart to segregationists I don't know what else could have been done aside from creating laws and actually enforcing them as opposed to what happened during the failure of Reconstruction. People had grown tired of the nonviolent movements in response to folks that didn't give two shits about their rights. The National Black Panther party was created as a response to police brutality and people were taking up arms and said enough is enough. The country was a fucking powder keg.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/30/18 1:10:49 PM #114:	DuneMan posted... Are there any pure communists about though? Pure communism is total failure. It usually results in stagnation and starvation. Pure capitalism led to the Gilded Age, and eventually that house of cards collapses on itself. Most Western governments in the world today aim for what one call Socially Responsible Capitalism. Essentially that the profit motive should be overridden in specific areas, e.g. healthcare, and that income disparity between the top and bottom of society should be capped. averagejoel who posts on this board is an actual communist --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905969257] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuneMan posted...</cite> <quote>Are there any pure communists about though? Pure communism is total failure. It usually results in stagnation and starvation. Pure capitalism led to the Gilded Age, and eventually that house of cards collapses on itself. Most Western governments in the world today aim for what one call Socially Responsible Capitalism. Essentially that the profit motive should be overridden in specific areas, e.g. healthcare, and that income disparity between the top and bottom of society should be capped.</quote> averagejoel who posts on this board is an actual communist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/30/18 1:11:59 PM #115:	Balrog0 posted... idk I just didn't find the argument very compelling when I looked at the things he was citing The real question is do you give as much thought to articles you agree with initially? (spoilers - none of us do) its a classic "can I believe.." vs "must I believe.." proving the only way we can move forward is to actually talk to each other (rog0 this is not directed at you, but at the people who like to slander folks for simply talking to someone they disagree with) <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905969322] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>idk I just didn't find the argument very compelling when I looked at the things he was citing </quote> The real question is do you give as much thought to articles you agree with initially? (spoilers - none of us do) its a classic "can I believe.." vs "must I believe.." proving the only way we can move forward is to actually talk to each other (rog0 this is not directed at you, but at the people who like to slander folks for simply talking to someone they disagree with)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Teddytalks 07/30/18 1:12:45 PM #116:	Are any of these books worth reading, or the dumb "academic" reads that pins the blame on black people and their culture for their own failings? <cite>Teddytalks posted [p:905969352] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>Are any of these books worth reading, or the dumb "academic" reads that pins the blame on black people and their culture for their own failings?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 1:13:50 PM #117:	DuneMan posted... Are there any pure communists about though? Pure communism is total failure. It usually results in stagnation and starvation. Pure capitalism led to the Gilded Age, and eventually that house of cards collapses on itself. Most Western governments in the world today aim for what one call Socially Responsible Capitalism. Essentially that the profit motive should be overridden in specific areas, e.g. healthcare, and that income disparity between the top and bottom of society should be capped. 1) I'm not sure what you mean by "pure communism" but there are certainly communists on CE. 2) Income disparity is a useless metric for a multitude of reasons. What matters is whether or not the people in the bottom stay in the bottom (the vast majority of the people in the bottom 25% don't remain there), whether or not the bottom share of the wealth grows over time (it does), and whether or not the people at the top are a static group of rich people (they are not). 3) Profit in healthcare is a sensitive subject for me, especially since I can see how it can prompt unethical doctors to prescribe unnecessary treatments. But I think if we look at the evidence we'll see that it's not so black and white. The NHS in the UK is not profit-driven, yet they have a catastrophic problem with pointless surgeries/treatments, for example. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-spending-2bn-on-useless-or-harmful-treatments-doctors-warn-a7377966.html https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/29/nhs-wields-the-axe-on-17-unnecessary-procedures And for all of that bullshit, UK taxpayers can look forward to constantly-increasing taxes! The news comes as the government prepares to raise taxes and ditch an increase to the personal income tax allowance to pay for NHS funding plans. According to proposals, 20.5bn of extra funding would be set aside for the health service by 2023. In a speech at the Royal Free hospital in London a fortnight ago, Theresa May said tax rises were inevitable. As a country, taxpayers will need to contribute a bit more, she said. But we will do that in a fair and balanced way. And we want to listen to people about how we do that, and the chancellor will bring forward the full set of proposals before the spending review. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905969410] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuneMan posted...</cite> <quote>Are there any pure communists about though? Pure communism is total failure. It usually results in stagnation and starvation. Pure capitalism led to the Gilded Age, and eventually that house of cards collapses on itself. Most Western governments in the world today aim for what one call Socially Responsible Capitalism. Essentially that the profit motive should be overridden in specific areas, e.g. healthcare, and that income disparity between the top and bottom of society should be capped.</quote> 1) I'm not sure what you mean by "pure communism" but there are certainly communists on CE. 2) Income disparity is a useless metric for a multitude of reasons. What matters is whether or not the people in the bottom stay in the bottom (the vast majority of the people in the bottom 25% don't remain there), whether or not the bottom share of the wealth grows over time (it does), and whether or not the people at the top are a static group of rich people (they are not). 3) Profit in healthcare is a sensitive subject for me, especially since I can see how it can prompt unethical doctors to prescribe unnecessary treatments. But I think if we look at the evidence we'll see that it's not so black and white. The NHS in the UK is not profit-driven, yet they have a catastrophic problem with pointless surgeries/treatments, for example. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-spending-2bn-on-useless-or-harmful-treatments-doctors-warn-a7377966.html https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/29/nhs-wields-the-axe-on-17-unnecessary-procedures And for all of that bullshit, UK taxpayers can look forward to constantly-increasing taxes! The news comes as the government prepares to raise taxes and ditch an increase to the personal income tax allowance to pay for NHS funding plans. According to proposals, 20.5bn of extra funding would be set aside for the health service by 2023. In a speech at the Royal Free hospital in London a fortnight ago, Theresa May said tax rises were inevitable. As a country, taxpayers will need to contribute a bit more, she said. But we will do that in a fair and balanced way. And we want to listen to people about how we do that, and the chancellor will bring forward the full set of proposals before the spending review.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 07/30/18 1:14:16 PM #118:	silentwing26x posted... legendary_zell posted... silentwing26x posted... legendary_zell posted... silentwing26x posted... legendary_zell posted... silentwing26x posted... @Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts. Pot meet kettle. Everything you've said here applies directly to you and always has, whether it's religion, capitalism, or Elon Musk. You fundamentally cannot help but become a hard liner for whatever belief system or person you're obsessed with this year. It shows an unbelievable lack of self awareness for you of all people to label someone else as doctrinaire. I haven't said anything especially left wing or SJW like on this board or in real life. You are simply the same Proudclad that's always viewed those that don't believe as you believe to be idiots foaming at the mouth. I've practiced and continue to practice changing my beliefs whenever new and better evidence becomes available. Even when it meant a massive 180 switch from my previous beliefs and acknowledging that I was egregiously wrong about something. That's not something you can say about yourself, so I'm not going to place any stock into your accusations/barbs. It's not about your beliefs, it's about your attitude. I'm saying that regardless of your beliefs, you still have the same dogmatic attitude underlying everything and that's something anyone can see. Going from militant Christianity to militant atheism along with militant capitalism isn't as impressive when you approach all of them with the same attitude. We're not even talking about the TCs point though. Or my original point in this topic. You mistake confidence in what is the best available evidence I've got with dogma. I'm demonstrably not dogmatic because I consider alternative explanations of the evidence all the time. All you're doing is trying to refute any possible thing I say by pointing to a supposed character flaw because you know you wouldn't be able to refute what I say. This is absolutely amazing. Don't you realize this whole thing started when you actually did that to me? Talk about projection. People who actually act based on evidence and not ideology are a lot less certain and a lot less abrasive than you generally. My goal isn't to character assassinate you as you clearly attempted to do to me, it's to point out a long standing pattern that is evident even when I agree with you. Hmmm, well you're not wrong. I apologize for that. I saw your responses to Anarchy_Juiblex and thought they were...rather representative, so I decided to interject too. But if you promise to do better then I'll promise to do better too. Alright, we're good. I don't see a reason for us to hate each other. And it does take a good bit of intellectual honesty to switch world views. The problem with Anarchy is his views that he's attempted to present a compatible with liberalism and his increasing reliance on video conservatism. Those are huge pet peeves for me. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:905969440] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>@Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts.</quote> Pot meet kettle. Everything you've said here applies directly to you and always has, whether it's religion, capitalism, or Elon Musk. You fundamentally cannot help but become a hard liner for whatever belief system or person you're obsessed with this year. It shows an unbelievable lack of self awareness for you of all people to label someone else as doctrinaire. I haven't said anything especially left wing or SJW like on this board or in real life. You are simply the same Proudclad that's always viewed those that don't believe as you believe to be idiots foaming at the mouth.</quote> I've practiced and continue to practice changing my beliefs whenever new and better evidence becomes available. Even when it meant a massive 180 switch from my previous beliefs and acknowledging that I was egregiously wrong about something. That's not something you can say about yourself, so I'm not going to place any stock into your accusations/barbs.</quote> It's not about your beliefs, it's about your attitude. I'm saying that regardless of your beliefs, you still have the same dogmatic attitude underlying everything and that's something anyone can see. Going from militant Christianity to militant atheism along with militant capitalism isn't as impressive when you approach all of them with the same attitude. We're not even talking about the TCs point though. Or my original point in this topic.</quote> You mistake confidence in what is the best available evidence I've got with dogma. I'm demonstrably not dogmatic because I consider alternative explanations of the evidence all the time. All you're doing is trying to refute any possible thing I say by pointing to a supposed character flaw because you know you wouldn't be able to refute what I say.</quote> This is absolutely amazing. Don't you realize this whole thing started when you actually did that to me? Talk about projection. People who actually act based on evidence and not ideology are a lot less certain and a lot less abrasive than you generally. My goal isn't to character assassinate you as you clearly attempted to do to me, it's to point out a long standing pattern that is evident even when I agree with you.</quote> Hmmm, well you're not wrong. I apologize for that. I saw your responses to Anarchy_Juiblex and thought they were...rather representative, so I decided to interject too. But if you promise to do better then I'll promise to do better too.</quote> Alright, we're good. I don't see a reason for us to hate each other. And it does take a good bit of intellectual honesty to switch world views. The problem with Anarchy is his views that he's attempted to present a compatible with liberalism and his increasing reliance on video conservatism. Those are huge pet peeves for me.</quote> ... 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BlueJester007 07/30/18 1:14:39 PM #119:	Taharqa_ posted... This country would have been torn apart in the late 60s and 70s had it not been for Federal intervention. Short of a Care Bears change of heart to segregationists I don't know what else could have been done aside from creating laws and actually enforcing them as opposed to what happened during the failure of Reconstruction. People had grown tired of the nonviolent movements in response to folks that didn't give two shits about their rights. The National Black Panther party was created as a response to police brutality and people were taking up arms and said enough is enough. The country was a fucking powder keg. Yeah. It was a mess. Im not saying I have all the answers. What I am saying is that the way that mess was cleaned up was piss poor. Nothing was actually cleaned. Nothing was actually solved. Thus we find ourselves still trying to clean it up today. This is what happens when you fight identity politics with identity politics. You dont actually solve anything and just keep revisiting history. --- Donald Trump is under your bed. <cite>BlueJester007 posted [p:905969462] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote>This country would have been torn apart in the late 60s and 70s had it not been for Federal intervention. Short of a Care Bears change of heart to segregationists I don't know what else could have been done aside from creating laws and actually enforcing them as opposed to what happened during the failure of Reconstruction. People had grown tired of the nonviolent movements in response to folks that didn't give two shits about their rights. The National Black Panther party was created as a response to police brutality and people were taking up arms and said enough is enough. The country was a fucking powder keg.</quote> Yeah. It was a mess. Im not saying I have all the answers. What I am saying is that the way that mess was cleaned up was piss poor. Nothing was actually cleaned. Nothing was actually solved. Thus we find ourselves still trying to clean it up today. This is what happens when you fight identity politics with identity politics. You dont actually solve anything and just keep revisiting history.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 07/30/18 1:14:41 PM #120:	My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage --- Money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you a yacht big enough to pull up right alongside it <cite>emblem boy posted [p:905969464] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 07/30/18 1:15:56 PM #121:	silentwing26x posted... 1) I'm not sure what you mean by "pure communism" but there are certainly communists on CE. I think he's confusing communism with socialism. Capitalist societies have room for socialist policies but Communism comes with a shit load of baggage about wages and private ownership of wealth. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:905969531] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>1) I'm not sure what you mean by "pure communism" but there are certainly communists on CE.</quote> I think he's confusing communism with socialism. Capitalist societies have room for socialist policies but Communism comes with a shit load of baggage about wages and private ownership of wealth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/30/18 1:16:06 PM #122:	Romes187 posted... The real question is do you give as much thought to articles you agree with initially? (spoilers - none of us do) I dunno, because in order to know that I would need to read an article I initially agreed with and I don't think that that ever happens. For instance, I do generally agree with this PhD student over this undergrad student but I also do not find his argument compelling because the way that his citation coded income is very flawed. I don't think its a slam dunk case at all, because the way it coded net debtors wealth and it uses mean instead of median which we all know is bad practice for datasets where the tails might skew our results (and income and wealth are the two best examples of that I can think of) --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905969539] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote> The real question is do you give as much thought to articles you agree with initially? (spoilers - none of us do) </quote> I dunno, because in order to know that I would need to read an article I initially agreed with and I don't think that that ever happens. For instance, I do generally agree with this PhD student over this undergrad student but I also do not find his argument compelling because the way that his citation coded income is very flawed. I don't think its a slam dunk case at all, because the way it coded net debtors wealth and it uses mean instead of median which we all know is bad practice for datasets where the tails might skew our results (and income and wealth are the two best examples of that I can think of)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 1:18:32 PM #123:	emblem boy posted... My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905969679] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage</quote> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 07/30/18 1:19:37 PM #124:	https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/92wei6/_/ I recently saw this as well --- Money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you a yacht big enough to pull up right alongside it <cite>emblem boy posted [p:905969733] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/92wei6/_/ I recently saw this as well</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 07/30/18 1:20:12 PM #125:	silentwing26x posted... emblem boy posted... My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs. Not sure what you're trying to refute here --- Money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you a yacht big enough to pull up right alongside it <cite>emblem boy posted [p:905969763] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage</quote> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs.</quote> Not sure what you're trying to refute here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Teddytalks 07/30/18 1:20:51 PM #126:	emblem boy posted... My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage I actually work at a job where I am supposed to look up a list of Black community based organizations. In maryland alone, there are hundreds of them. Any argument that the black community doesn't try to improve or is not critical of itself is bullshit and not well learned. <cite>Teddytalks posted [p:905969795] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage</quote> I actually work at a job where I am supposed to look up a list of Black community based organizations. In maryland alone, there are hundreds of them. Any argument that the black community doesn't try to improve or is not critical of itself is bullshit and not well learned.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 1:21:11 PM #127:	Romes187 posted... Balrog0 posted... idk I just didn't find the argument very compelling when I looked at the things he was citing The real question is do you give as much thought to articles you agree with initially? (spoilers - none of us do) its a classic "can I believe.." vs "must I believe.." proving the only way we can move forward is to actually talk to each other (rog0 this is not directed at you, but at the people who like to slander folks for simply talking to someone they disagree with) Indeed. I'm curious if the right tries to deplatform people as much as the left does. I'm assuming that deplatforming someone is mostly something the left does, but more conversation all around would certainly be a good thing. Along with recommitting ourselves to looking at what the evidence actually shows VS looking at how we can get the evidence to show what we want it to show. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905969815] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>idk I just didn't find the argument very compelling when I looked at the things he was citing </quote> The real question is do you give as much thought to articles you agree with initially? (spoilers - none of us do) its a classic "can I believe.." vs "must I believe.." proving the only way we can move forward is to actually talk to each other (rog0 this is not directed at you, but at the people who like to slander folks for simply talking to someone they disagree with)</quote> Indeed. I'm curious if the right tries to deplatform people as much as the left does. I'm assuming that deplatforming someone is mostly something the left does, but more conversation all around would certainly be a good thing. Along with recommitting ourselves to looking at what the evidence actually shows VS looking at how we can get the evidence to show what we want it to show.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/30/18 1:24:07 PM #128:	silentwing26x posted... I'm curious what you make of these critiques? I haven't read the book, but these suggest that he gets the Enlightenment rather wrong https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2018/02/unenlightened-thinking-steven-pinker-s-embarrassing-new-book-feeble-sermon This is more of an attack on scientism, which I think has merit but does nothing to really negate the data that shows we are improving dramatically https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/03/12/what-steven-pinker-gets-wrong-about-economic-inequality-and-the-enlightenment/ Behind an ad all..couldn't read https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/5/17/17362548/pinker-enlightenment-now-two-cultures-rationality-war-debate Author makes a decent point about our potential moral denigration due to pursuing a path of only reason (though the materialists on the left will hate that argument) and then it just became a "postmodern" (using quotes there...) take on how the enlightenment led to colonialism, racism, etc. It is important that we understand the negatives and potential pitfalls of where rationalism can lead us (though when you ask these same critics about the importance of religion they'll likely scoff which is weird) but this does nothing to debate the fact that things are getting better. It's almost like they are saying "yeah well we may have gotten better in almost every way, but there was a cost here"...its like...yeah no shit. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/books/review-enlightenment-now-steven-pinker.html This article doesn't really critique any of the data that Pinker puts out...it just says he should focus less on aggregate numbers...then calls him unscientific in his thinking. idk... <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905969988] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>I'm curious what you make of these critiques? I haven't read the book, but these suggest that he gets the Enlightenment rather wrong https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2018/02/unenlightened-thinking-steven-pinker-s-embarrassing-new-book-feeble-sermon This is more of an attack on scientism, which I think has merit but does nothing to really negate the data that shows we are improving dramatically https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/03/12/what-steven-pinker-gets-wrong-about-economic-inequality-and-the-enlightenment/ Behind an ad all..couldn't read https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/5/17/17362548/pinker-enlightenment-now-two-cultures-rationality-war-debate Author makes a decent point about our potential moral denigration due to pursuing a path of only reason (though the materialists on the left will hate that argument) and then it just became a "postmodern" (using quotes there...) take on how the enlightenment led to colonialism, racism, etc. It is important that we understand the negatives and potential pitfalls of where rationalism can lead us (though when you ask these same critics about the importance of religion they'll likely scoff which is weird) but this does nothing to debate the fact that things are getting better. It's almost like they are saying "yeah well we may have gotten better in almost every way, but there was a cost here"...its like...yeah no shit. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/books/review-enlightenment-now-steven-pinker.html This article doesn't really critique any of the data that Pinker puts out...it just says he should focus less on aggregate numbers...then calls him unscientific in his thinking. idk... </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 1:24:32 PM #129:	emblem boy posted... silentwing26x posted... emblem boy posted... My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs. Not sure what you're trying to refute here Obama wants to revitalize the south side, and especially South Shore, but is having a hard time convincing people to want that because of fears of "gentrification" and the entire process is moving really slow in its entirety. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-obama-center-south-side-20180228-story.html Which is why the middle class is just going to abandon those communities, unfortunately. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905970010] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage</quote> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs.</quote> Not sure what you're trying to refute here</quote> Obama wants to revitalize the south side, and especially South Shore, but is having a hard time convincing people to want that because of fears of "gentrification" and the entire process is moving really slow in its entirety. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-obama-center-south-side-20180228-story.html Which is why the middle class is just going to abandon those communities, unfortunately.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/30/18 1:25:53 PM #130:	An interesting conversation on race that none of you will listen to. because it's a bunch of white victimization and minority-bashing, right? --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:905970094] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><quote>An interesting conversation on race that none of you will listen to.</quote> because it's a bunch of white victimization and minority-bashing, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/30/18 1:27:05 PM #131:	mario2000 posted... An interesting conversation on race that none of you will listen to. because it's a bunch of white victimization and minority-bashing, right? Shh mario adults are talking. go back to your room and play some vidya games and eat some pizza bagels <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905970157] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>An interesting conversation on race that none of you will listen to.</quote> because it's a bunch of white victimization and minority-bashing, right?</quote> Shh mario adults are talking. go back to your room and play some vidya games and eat some pizza bagels</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 07/30/18 1:27:43 PM #132:	mario2000 posted... An interesting conversation on race that none of you will listen to. because it's a bunch of white victimization and minority-bashing, right? I bet you're the type of person to call Coleman Hughes an uncle tom. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:905970203] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>An interesting conversation on race that none of you will listen to.</quote> because it's a bunch of white victimization and minority-bashing, right?</quote> I bet you're the type of person to call Coleman Hughes an uncle tom.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/30/18 1:32:33 PM #133:	silentwing26x posted... emblem boy posted... silentwing26x posted... emblem boy posted... My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs. Not sure what you're trying to refute here Obama wants to revitalize the south side, and especially South Shore, but is having a hard time convincing people to want that because of fears of "gentrification" and the entire process is moving really slow in its entirety. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-obama-center-south-side-20180228-story.html Which is why the middle class is just going to abandon those communities, unfortunately. The fact that "black flight" is even a thing is pretty neat. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905970512] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage</quote> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs.</quote> Not sure what you're trying to refute here</quote> Obama wants to revitalize the south side, and especially South Shore, but is having a hard time convincing people to want that because of fears of "gentrification" and the entire process is moving really slow in its entirety. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-obama-center-south-side-20180228-story.html Which is why the middle class is just going to abandon those communities, unfortunately.</quote> The fact that "black flight" is even a thing is pretty neat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/30/18 1:34:05 PM #134:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... mario2000 posted... An interesting conversation on race that none of you will listen to. because it's a bunch of white victimization and minority-bashing, right? I bet you're the type of person to call Coleman Hughes an uncle tom. i don't see you denying it --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:905970595] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>An interesting conversation on race that none of you will listen to.</quote> because it's a bunch of white victimization and minority-bashing, right?</quote> I bet you're the type of person to call Coleman Hughes an uncle tom.</quote> i don't see you denying it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 07/30/18 1:35:04 PM #135:	mario2000 posted... An interesting conversation on race that none of you will listen to. because it's a bunch of white victimization and minority-bashing, right? Nope, not at all actually. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:905970659] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>An interesting conversation on race that none of you will listen to.</quote> because it's a bunch of white victimization and minority-bashing, right?</quote> Nope, not at all actually.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 07/30/18 1:38:50 PM #136:	mario2000 posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... mario2000 posted... An interesting conversation on race that none of you will listen to. because it's a bunch of white victimization and minority-bashing, right? I bet you're the type of person to call Coleman Hughes an uncle tom. i don't see you denying it "I'm not going to watch but please respond to my post." Noooooop. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:905970924] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>An interesting conversation on race that none of you will listen to.</quote> because it's a bunch of white victimization and minority-bashing, right?</quote> I bet you're the type of person to call Coleman Hughes an uncle tom.</quote> i don't see you denying it</quote> "I'm not going to watch but please respond to my post." Noooooop.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Teddytalks 07/30/18 1:39:03 PM #137:	Questionmarktarius posted... silentwing26x posted... emblem boy posted... silentwing26x posted... emblem boy posted... My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs. Not sure what you're trying to refute here Obama wants to revitalize the south side, and especially South Shore, but is having a hard time convincing people to want that because of fears of "gentrification" and the entire process is moving really slow in its entirety. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-obama-center-south-side-20180228-story.html Which is why the middle class is just going to abandon those communities, unfortunately. The fact that "black flight" is even a thing is pretty neat. Not even surprised. If you actually live in a black neighborhood, it is quite clear that alot of us don't quite like each other. <cite>Teddytalks posted [p:905970946] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage</quote> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs.</quote> Not sure what you're trying to refute here</quote> Obama wants to revitalize the south side, and especially South Shore, but is having a hard time convincing people to want that because of fears of "gentrification" and the entire process is moving really slow in its entirety. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-obama-center-south-side-20180228-story.html Which is why the middle class is just going to abandon those communities, unfortunately.</quote> The fact that "black flight" is even a thing is pretty neat.</quote> Not even surprised. If you actually live in a black neighborhood, it is quite clear that alot of us don't quite like each other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 07/30/18 1:40:28 PM #138:	silentwing26x posted... Zeeak4444 posted... Antifar posted... Balrog0 posted... do they? I only know about them because the same sort of people on twitter who hate Matt Yglesias regularly complain about Quillette "Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/ https://conatusnews.com/anomaly-academia-left-inquiry/ https://twitter.com/neoliberal_dad/status/1002365488285044738 https://twitter.com/nathanoseroff/status/943938663393759234 Why did I even read those first two. Both were terrible. In case anyone is wondering, allow me to point out the extent of Zeak's intellectual honesty here in this post from yesterday where nicklebro called him out on being dishonest. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76852709/905931409 How does intellectual honesty have anything to do with poking fun at someone who words his arguments in the most dramatic ways possible? "Capitalism LITERALLY saved us from mundane activities like washing clothes!!" Idk what I did to get under your skin but it's almost sad anytime I show up in a topic you freak the fuck out. Also fwiw nickelbro's comments on my reading comprehension are in regards to his topic where he claimed for 200+ posts that the CA/FB scandle was no big deal and that anyone who was upset about the revelations was virtue signaling. You both hold some weird grudges lol. I'm always open to learning something about intellectual honesty from Proud "I could get a PhD if I wanted" Cloud anytime I get the opportunity though. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:905971039] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>do they? I only know about them because the same sort of people on twitter who hate Matt Yglesias regularly complain about Quillette </quote> "Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/ https://conatusnews.com/anomaly-academia-left-inquiry/ https://twitter.com/neoliberal_dad/status/1002365488285044738 https://twitter.com/nathanoseroff/status/943938663393759234</quote> Why did I even read those first two. Both were terrible.</quote> In case anyone is wondering, allow me to point out the extent of Zeak's intellectual honesty here in this post from yesterday where nicklebro called him out on being dishonest. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76852709/905931409</quote> How does intellectual honesty have anything to do with poking fun at someone who words his arguments in the most dramatic ways possible? "Capitalism LITERALLY saved us from mundane activities like washing clothes!!" Idk what I did to get under your skin but it's almost sad anytime I show up in a topic you freak the fuck out. Also fwiw nickelbro's comments on my reading comprehension are in regards to his topic where he claimed for 200+ posts that the CA/FB scandle was no big deal and that anyone who was upset about the revelations was virtue signaling. You both hold some weird grudges lol. I'm always open to learning something about intellectual honesty from Proud "I could get a PhD if I wanted" Cloud anytime I get the opportunity though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 07/30/18 1:40:50 PM #139:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... mario2000 posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... mario2000 posted... An interesting conversation on race that none of you will listen to. because it's a bunch of white victimization and minority-bashing, right? I bet you're the type of person to call Coleman Hughes an uncle tom. i don't see you denying it "I'm not going to watch but please respond to my post." Noooooop. sorry that no one wants to watch your shitty 2 hour long video --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:905971062] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>An interesting conversation on race that none of you will listen to.</quote> because it's a bunch of white victimization and minority-bashing, right?</quote> I bet you're the type of person to call Coleman Hughes an uncle tom.</quote> i don't see you denying it</quote> "I'm not going to watch but please respond to my post." Noooooop.</quote> sorry that no one wants to watch your shitty 2 hour long video</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AcFan87 07/30/18 1:41:23 PM #140:	I'm sick of hearing about race. Enough already. <cite>AcFan87 posted [p:905971097] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>I'm sick of hearing about race. Enough already.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/30/18 1:42:22 PM #141:	Teddytalks posted... Questionmarktarius posted... silentwing26x posted... emblem boy posted... silentwing26x posted... emblem boy posted... My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs. Not sure what you're trying to refute here Obama wants to revitalize the south side, and especially South Shore, but is having a hard time convincing people to want that because of fears of "gentrification" and the entire process is moving really slow in its entirety. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-obama-center-south-side-20180228-story.html Which is why the middle class is just going to abandon those communities, unfortunately. The fact that "black flight" is even a thing is pretty neat. Not even surprised. If you actually live in a black neighborhood, it is quite clear that alot of us don't quite like each other. It means that a large enough portion of the "black community" has the means for flight, which runs counter to the usual narrative. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905971145] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Teddytalks posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage</quote> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs.</quote> Not sure what you're trying to refute here</quote> Obama wants to revitalize the south side, and especially South Shore, but is having a hard time convincing people to want that because of fears of "gentrification" and the entire process is moving really slow in its entirety. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-obama-center-south-side-20180228-story.html Which is why the middle class is just going to abandon those communities, unfortunately.</quote> The fact that "black flight" is even a thing is pretty neat.</quote> Not even surprised. If you actually live in a black neighborhood, it is quite clear that alot of us don't quite like each other.</quote> It means that a large enough portion of the "black community" has the means for flight, which runs counter to the usual narrative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 1:43:08 PM #142:	Teddytalks posted... Questionmarktarius posted... silentwing26x posted... emblem boy posted... silentwing26x posted... emblem boy posted... My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs. Not sure what you're trying to refute here Obama wants to revitalize the south side, and especially South Shore, but is having a hard time convincing people to want that because of fears of "gentrification" and the entire process is moving really slow in its entirety. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-obama-center-south-side-20180228-story.html Which is why the middle class is just going to abandon those communities, unfortunately. The fact that "black flight" is even a thing is pretty neat. Not even surprised. If you actually live in a black neighborhood, it is quite clear that alot of us don't quite like each other. That is one of the points Thomas Sowell made in the book Disparities and Discrimination. That there are groups within any race that are violent and not productive, and that the groups that are peaceful and productive tend to just leave if they can. One of his specific examples was a survey done on a community that allowed poor people into the neighborhood using rent vouchers or w/e. The people who most opposed the concept of rent vouchers being allowed in the neighborhood weren't the white people, it was the black people that had paid for the rent/property on their own after leaving other areas. It's pretty interesting stuff that you never read about in the mainstream media. shrug <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905971191] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Teddytalks posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage</quote> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs.</quote> Not sure what you're trying to refute here</quote> Obama wants to revitalize the south side, and especially South Shore, but is having a hard time convincing people to want that because of fears of "gentrification" and the entire process is moving really slow in its entirety. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-obama-center-south-side-20180228-story.html Which is why the middle class is just going to abandon those communities, unfortunately.</quote> The fact that "black flight" is even a thing is pretty neat.</quote> Not even surprised. If you actually live in a black neighborhood, it is quite clear that alot of us don't quite like each other.</quote> That is one of the points Thomas Sowell made in the book Disparities and Discrimination. That there are groups within any race that are violent and not productive, and that the groups that are peaceful and productive tend to just leave if they can. One of his specific examples was a survey done on a community that allowed poor people into the neighborhood using rent vouchers or w/e. The people who most opposed the concept of rent vouchers being allowed in the neighborhood weren't the white people, it was the black people that had paid for the rent/property on their own after leaving other areas. It's pretty interesting stuff that you never read about in the mainstream media. shrug</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Teddytalks 07/30/18 1:43:15 PM #143:	AcFan87 posted... I'm sick of hearing about race. Enough already. I am sick of Donald trump stupid ass twitter rants on Muller Mondays. I am tired of trolls, the KKK, and constant arguement on the inferority of black people. <cite>Teddytalks posted [p:905971198] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>AcFan87 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm sick of hearing about race. Enough already.</quote> I am sick of Donald trump stupid ass twitter rants on Muller Mondays. I am tired of trolls, the KKK, and constant arguement on the inferority of black people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 1:43:54 PM #144:	Zeeak4444 posted... silentwing26x posted... Zeeak4444 posted... Antifar posted... Balrog0 posted... do they? I only know about them because the same sort of people on twitter who hate Matt Yglesias regularly complain about Quillette "Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/ https://conatusnews.com/anomaly-academia-left-inquiry/ https://twitter.com/neoliberal_dad/status/1002365488285044738 https://twitter.com/nathanoseroff/status/943938663393759234 Why did I even read those first two. Both were terrible. In case anyone is wondering, allow me to point out the extent of Zeak's intellectual honesty here in this post from yesterday where nicklebro called him out on being dishonest. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76852709/905931409 waffle waffle you mad brother? <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905971234] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>do they? I only know about them because the same sort of people on twitter who hate Matt Yglesias regularly complain about Quillette </quote> "Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/ https://conatusnews.com/anomaly-academia-left-inquiry/ https://twitter.com/neoliberal_dad/status/1002365488285044738 https://twitter.com/nathanoseroff/status/943938663393759234</quote> Why did I even read those first two. Both were terrible.</quote> In case anyone is wondering, allow me to point out the extent of Zeak's intellectual honesty here in this post from yesterday where nicklebro called him out on being dishonest. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76852709/905931409</quote> waffle waffle</quote> you mad brother?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 1:47:28 PM #145:	Questionmarktarius posted... Teddytalks posted... Questionmarktarius posted... silentwing26x posted... emblem boy posted... silentwing26x posted... emblem boy posted... My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs. Not sure what you're trying to refute here Obama wants to revitalize the south side, and especially South Shore, but is having a hard time convincing people to want that because of fears of "gentrification" and the entire process is moving really slow in its entirety. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-obama-center-south-side-20180228-story.html Which is why the middle class is just going to abandon those communities, unfortunately. The fact that "black flight" is even a thing is pretty neat. Not even surprised. If you actually live in a black neighborhood, it is quite clear that alot of us don't quite like each other. It means that a large enough portion of the "black community" has the means for flight, which runs counter to the usual narrative. A week or so ago I posted a summary of a recent Nielsen study on income and wealth in the black community. A lot of the usual narrative omits the fact that the black population in America is very young and that the white population is much older. In terms of median age. What this means is that the average income in both populations is not representative of the full picture, since the older you are the more earning potential you have. Which means that a younger population would appear to have a lower average income but also a lower earning potential since they haven't worked many years, haven't entered their prime, etc. When you look at the data itself, you see that as individuals black earners are growing rapidly in income power and spending power. But it's a lot more nuance than you can fit into Twitter hot takes that target young impressionable leftists. http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/press-room/2016/nielsen-2016-report-black-millennials-close-the-digital-divide.html <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905971444] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Teddytalks posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me. Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage</quote> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs.</quote> Not sure what you're trying to refute here</quote> Obama wants to revitalize the south side, and especially South Shore, but is having a hard time convincing people to want that because of fears of "gentrification" and the entire process is moving really slow in its entirety. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-obama-center-south-side-20180228-story.html Which is why the middle class is just going to abandon those communities, unfortunately.</quote> The fact that "black flight" is even a thing is pretty neat.</quote> Not even surprised. If you actually live in a black neighborhood, it is quite clear that alot of us don't quite like each other.</quote> It means that a large enough portion of the "black community" has the means for flight, which runs counter to the usual narrative.</quote> A week or so ago I posted a summary of a recent Nielsen study on income and wealth in the black community. A lot of the usual narrative omits the fact that the black population in America is very young and that the white population is much older. In terms of median age. What this means is that the average income in both populations is not representative of the full picture, since the older you are the more earning potential you have. Which means that a younger population would appear to have a lower average income but also a lower earning potential since they haven't worked many years, haven't entered their prime, etc. When you look at the data itself, you see that as individuals black earners are growing rapidly in income power and spending power. But it's a lot more nuance than you can fit into Twitter hot takes that target young impressionable leftists. http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/press-room/2016/nielsen-2016-report-black-millennials-close-the-digital-divide.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Teddytalks 07/30/18 1:50:33 PM #146:	This is a good topic. <cite>Teddytalks posted [p:905971627] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>This is a good topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 07/30/18 1:52:36 PM #147:	silentwing26x posted... A week or so ago I posted a summary of a recent Nielsen study on income and wealth in the black community. A lot of the usual narrative omits the fact that the black population in America is very young and that the white population is much older. In terms of median age. What this means is that the average income in both populations is not representative of the full picture, since the older you are the more earning potential you have. Which means that a younger population would appear to have a lower average income but also a lower earning potential since they haven't worked many years, haven't entered their prime, etc. When you look at the data itself, you see that as individuals black earners are growing rapidly in income power and spending power. But it's a lot more nuance than you can fit into Twitter hot takes that target young impressionable leftists. http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/press-room/2016/nielsen-2016-report-black-millennials-close-the-digital-divide.html Interesting take, I'll read the article when I get back from work today. --- It's what all true warriors strive for! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:905971741] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>A week or so ago I posted a summary of a recent Nielsen study on income and wealth in the black community. A lot of the usual narrative omits the fact that the black population in America is very young and that the white population is much older. In terms of median age. What this means is that the average income in both populations is not representative of the full picture, since the older you are the more earning potential you have. Which means that a younger population would appear to have a lower average income but also a lower earning potential since they haven't worked many years, haven't entered their prime, etc. When you look at the data itself, you see that as individuals black earners are growing rapidly in income power and spending power. But it's a lot more nuance than you can fit into Twitter hot takes that target young impressionable leftists. http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/press-room/2016/nielsen-2016-report-black-millennials-close-the-digital-divide.html</quote> Interesting take, I'll read the article when I get back from work today.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 07/30/18 1:52:41 PM #148:	silentwing26x posted... Zeeak4444 posted... silentwing26x posted... waffle waffle you mad brother? No, just amused mostly. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:905971751] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> waffle waffle</quote> you mad brother?</quote> No, just amused mostly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 1:53:37 PM #149:	Prestoff posted... silentwing26x posted... A week or so ago I posted a summary of a recent Nielsen study on income and wealth in the black community. A lot of the usual narrative omits the fact that the black population in America is very young and that the white population is much older. In terms of median age. What this means is that the average income in both populations is not representative of the full picture, since the older you are the more earning potential you have. Which means that a younger population would appear to have a lower average income but also a lower earning potential since they haven't worked many years, haven't entered their prime, etc. When you look at the data itself, you see that as individuals black earners are growing rapidly in income power and spending power. But it's a lot more nuance than you can fit into Twitter hot takes that target young impressionable leftists. http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/press-room/2016/nielsen-2016-report-black-millennials-close-the-digital-divide.html Interesting take, I'll read the article when I get back from work today. Download the entire report, that just links you to a subsection of it. You gotta download it if you wanna read the whole thing. (You can enter junk data into the form, it's free). There's also another Nielsen report that you can find from the same year that more specifically compares these trends to the white and Latino populations in America. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905971806] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Prestoff posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>A week or so ago I posted a summary of a recent Nielsen study on income and wealth in the black community. A lot of the usual narrative omits the fact that the black population in America is very young and that the white population is much older. In terms of median age. What this means is that the average income in both populations is not representative of the full picture, since the older you are the more earning potential you have. Which means that a younger population would appear to have a lower average income but also a lower earning potential since they haven't worked many years, haven't entered their prime, etc. When you look at the data itself, you see that as individuals black earners are growing rapidly in income power and spending power. But it's a lot more nuance than you can fit into Twitter hot takes that target young impressionable leftists. http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/press-room/2016/nielsen-2016-report-black-millennials-close-the-digital-divide.html</quote> Interesting take, I'll read the article when I get back from work today.</quote> Download the entire report, that just links you to a subsection of it. You gotta download it if you wanna read the whole thing. (You can enter junk data into the form, it's free). There's also another Nielsen report that you can find from the same year that more specifically compares these trends to the white and Latino populations in America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Teddytalks 07/30/18 1:59:31 PM #150:	Prestoff posted... silentwing26x posted... A week or so ago I posted a summary of a recent Nielsen study on income and wealth in the black community. A lot of the usual narrative omits the fact that the black population in America is very young and that the white population is much older. In terms of median age. What this means is that the average income in both populations is not representative of the full picture, since the older you are the more earning potential you have. Which means that a younger population would appear to have a lower average income but also a lower earning potential since they haven't worked many years, haven't entered their prime, etc. When you look at the data itself, you see that as individuals black earners are growing rapidly in income power and spending power. But it's a lot more nuance than you can fit into Twitter hot takes that target young impressionable leftists. http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/press-room/2016/nielsen-2016-report-black-millennials-close-the-digital-divide.html Interesting take, I'll read the article when I get back from work today. Same here <cite>Teddytalks posted [p:905972122] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Prestoff posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>A week or so ago I posted a summary of a recent Nielsen study on income and wealth in the black community. A lot of the usual narrative omits the fact that the black population in America is very young and that the white population is much older. In terms of median age. What this means is that the average income in both populations is not representative of the full picture, since the older you are the more earning potential you have. Which means that a younger population would appear to have a lower average income but also a lower earning potential since they haven't worked many years, haven't entered their prime, etc. When you look at the data itself, you see that as individuals black earners are growing rapidly in income power and spending power. But it's a lot more nuance than you can fit into Twitter hot takes that target young impressionable leftists. http://www.nielsen.com/us/en/press-room/2016/nielsen-2016-report-black-millennials-close-the-digital-divide.html</quote> Interesting take, I'll read the article when I get back from work today.</quote> Same here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 07/30/18 1:59:38 PM #151:	Sativa_Rose posted... https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/ A very good article indeed. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:905972129] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/</quote>A very good article indeed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 07/30/18 2:03:49 PM #152:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faolY5_hnIc" data-time=" --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:905972363] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faolY5_hnIc" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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