Current Events > An interesting conversation on race that none of you will listen to.

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SageHarpuia posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faolY5_hnIc" data-time="

I'll watch this when I get home, but is this one of those dumbass videos where the main problems that plague the black community are exactly the same that plague any Poor community worldwide?

KamenRiderBlade posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

https://quillette.com/2018/07/19/black-american-culture-and-the-racial-wealth-gap/

A very good article indeed.

I'm gonna have to read the rest of it not-at-work.

emblem boy posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/92wei6/_/

I recently saw this as well

I missed this earlier but he does make a lot of good points actually, especially the first point about looking at surplus (income above the cost of living).
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SageHarpuia posted...

video

Prager is anti-science, propagandist trash. (Not commenting on the video which seems like a fair take from the presenter, just shitting on global warming denying religious fuck heads.)
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Sativa_Rose posted...

emblem boy posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/92wei6/_/

I recently saw this as well

I missed this earlier but he does make a lot of good points actually, especially the first point about looking at surplus (income above the cost of living).

$37000 for subsistence?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

emblem boy posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/92wei6/_/

I recently saw this as well

I missed this earlier but he does make a lot of good points actually, especially the first point about looking at surplus (income above the cost of living).

$37000 for subsistence?

It varies so much across the US that I can't really speculate about how realistic that is.
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Wow... this thread really went places...
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

video

Prager is anti-science, propagandist trash. (Not commenting on the video which seems like a fair take from the presenter, just shitting on global warming denying religious fuck heads.)

Brief aside: There is an equally religious subset of the left that would never acknowledge that we are going to resolve global warming. And the reason they won't ever acknowledge it is because they want to use global warming as a political tool for justifying declining our standard of living. IE to justify deindustrialization and a return to an agricultural economy.

So we need to be mindful of those people too. They're real and they're dangerous. For example, I bet you never saw this really inspiring update on global warming from Al Gore back in 2016, simply because it didn't get anywhere near as much attention as the fear-mongering religious alarmism from the radical left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVfgkFaswn4" data-time="

silentwing26x posted...

emblem boy posted...

silentwing26x posted...

emblem boy posted...

My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote

I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me.

Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-black-exodus-chicago-20160318-story.html

Parts of Chicago that are plagued by violence are experiencing what the Chicago Tribune calls "black flight" as the middle class and productive members of those cities are abandoning them for better cities or suburbs.

Not sure what you're trying to refute here

Obama wants to revitalize the south side, and especially South Shore, but is having a hard time convincing people to want that because of fears of "gentrification" and the entire process is moving really slow in its entirety.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-obama-center-south-side-20180228-story.html

Which is why the middle class is just going to abandon those communities, unfortunately.

I'll take a look at that later.
Teddytalks posted...

emblem boy posted...

My commentary on the piece Hughes wrote

I recently finished reading the Hughes piece. From what I read though, I was underwhelmed. Like, I truly don't think the majority of people even disagree that there are certain lifestyle choices that are not productive to building wealth. He also makes it sound as though within the the black community, there doesn't exist a diversity of opinions in how to lift themselves up. Self critisism of the community is there. Self help is there in neighborhoods in an attempt to help the youth. Even, Obama during his presidency mentioned these same critisisms. So this idea that it's a conversation that isn't talked about doesn't ring true to me.

Hell, there are many organizations that exist with an emphasis on helping fellow black people in certain fields of study. National society of black engineers, national association of black accountants, black student associations, etc. And these organizations are open to other races than black people, so hopefully no one tries to say there is some racism there. I don't know. Maybe it's just due to who I regularly talk to, and me not focusing much on Twitter type outrage

I actually work at a job where I am supposed to look up a list of Black community based organizations. In maryland alone, there are hundreds of them. Any argument that the black community doesn't try to improve or is not critical of itself is bullshit and not well learned.

Ya, it's a taking point that's becoming weird to hear
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silentwing26x posted...

So we need to be mindful of those people too.

Watching the video now but absolutely I've been keeping an eye on them too. But even with an optimistic interpretation the greater concern is climate change and not "Luddites".
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God damn right I'm not going to watch to a 2 hour video. 'Brevity is the soul of wit' isn't just meant to be taken into account for comedy. >_>
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@silentwing26x
Well, I can't speak about the UK specifically; and that seems to be where your focus is from this thread.

Pure Communism is the the idea that personal property doesn't exist. That society is structured as a literal commune. That never works. Even in a commune someone ends up 'more equal' than the rest. There's also zero incentive to strive for betterment under communism, as any gains witnessed on an individual level will be miniscule(if they aren't scooped up by said 'more equal' individuals first).

Analyzing income disparity isn't useless. For example, if one looks at the US, why do CEO's have 1,000x+ times the income of other people in their companies, get up a quarter of a billion dollars as a severance package, and yet our society is fine with people being homeless and relying on the Emergency Room for treatment, costing untold thousands upon thousands upon thousands of dollars in care. It doesn't even make sense from a mathematical point, as getting a homeless person a basic roof over their head so they can get gainfully employed and contribute to society that way while having some basic dignity results in less strain. That's the problem with a Pure Capitalism system, and what was seen in the Gilded Age where workers were disposable property of companies to be used up and discarded, where some companies would build towns and pay workers in scrip good only at the company to result in a condition that was only a bare step above de facto slavery. At it's core Pure Capitalism has no empathy or respect, it consumes to the point of destruction.

When it comes to extraneous treatments in healthcare, that seems somewhat universal then. I still remember years ago when I went to the hospital thinking I had caught pneumonia and the damn doctors ran about 8 tests over 3 days before finally testing for pneumonia, and lo and behold I had pneumonia. Huge waste of time and money for society, but profitable for the hospital all the same.

The damaging attitude underlying the destructive impulses of Pure Capitalism can usually be summed up as, "I got mine, so fuck off and try to get yours." It's shortsighted and results in a society that is needlessly cruel and inefficient, even as it leans on the general positive growth traits of the reward levers offered by having basic capitalist elements woven into a society.
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FaultyGourry posted...

God damn right I'm not going to watch to a 2 hour video. 'Brevity is the soul of wit' isn't just meant to be taken into account for comedy. >_>

Well complex issues generally aren't solved / discussed with brevity. Nuance amigo :)

Romes187 posted...

FaultyGourry posted...

God damn right I'm not going to watch to a 2 hour video. 'Brevity is the soul of wit' isn't just meant to be taken into account for comedy. >_>

Well complex issues generally aren't solved / discussed with brevity. Nuance amigo :)

Funny this is, (hate to have to do another jab) but these are the people that mocked Herman Cain for his 3-page rule. lol
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Anti purge post cause I didn't get to read though this last night
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