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silentwing26x 07/30/18 12:13:05 PM #53:	Sativa_Rose posted... Romes187 posted... It's a shame that the PhD student has to preface it with "Bullshit Article" then slander the site that its on in an attempt to preload a bunch of negative biases towards it That is how discourse is now though This, that was uncalled for. He also called quillette racist for even allowing it to be published. Talk about being a condescending asshole. I have really been driven away from the left by their refusal to have honest intellectual discourses about controversial issues. Yeah, it really says a lot about Antifar that he read that bullshit and shared it but probably hasn't even read the actual article. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905966154] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>It's a shame that the PhD student has to preface it with "Bullshit Article" then slander the site that its on in an attempt to preload a bunch of negative biases towards it That is how discourse is now though </quote> This, that was uncalled for. He also called quillette racist for even allowing it to be published. Talk about being a condescending asshole. I have really been driven away from the left by their refusal to have honest intellectual discourses about controversial issues.</quote> Yeah, it really says a lot about Antifar that he read that bullshit and shared it but probably hasn't even read the actual article.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/30/18 12:14:56 PM #54:	I didn't even think it was a very good take down of the article, I wouldn't take that guys class if he was a TA --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905966237] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>I didn't even think it was a very good take down of the article, I wouldn't take that guys class if he was a TA</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 07/30/18 12:16:08 PM #55:	@silentwing26x Thanks for the heads up. Yeah I think I'm done with the trolls in this topic. (trolls being anyone that want's to comment with a total lack of moral and intellectual integrity, and obviously only wish to throw out glib jabs that contribute little and require too much time to invest in addressing.) --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:905966297] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>@silentwing26x Thanks for the heads up. Yeah I think I'm done with the trolls in this topic. (trolls being anyone that want's to comment with a total lack of moral and intellectual integrity, and obviously only wish to throw out glib jabs that contribute little and require too much time to invest in addressing.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 07/30/18 12:16:38 PM #56:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... legendary_zell posted... . You are radically socially conservative when it comes to race In what way? You act like I'm pro-segregation or some insane thing like that. It's not conservative to recognize what they cover in the video. What exactly position are you referring to and why is that the litmus test for social liberalism? I was making my bones as a proponent of liberal positions, like gay marriage specifically, over a decade before Obama took it and before most of the kiddies were even on this fucking site. Or maybe it's not conservatism, it's just a systematic lack of empathy and a tendency to freak out over brown identity politics. It's not freaking out, what you people don't see is that white identity politics is going to be the necessary response to brown identity politics. Identity politics is fucking bad full stop. I've seen you post some heinous stuff about migrants, brown people in Israel, and several other things. Including supporting forced sterilizations in Israel. You attempt to present yourself as a reasonable liberal who is just tired of far left insanity, and you may have been that at one point but you absolutely don't recognize when you go way too far in the opposite direction. Like arguing that white identity politics is a necessary response to brown identity politics. That's my ultimate problem with you "I'm not a social conservative" types. You've recoiled so hard from the left that you forgot to not advocate for human rights abuses. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:905966324] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>. You are radically socially conservative when it comes to race</quote> In what way? You act like I'm pro-segregation or some insane thing like that. It's not conservative to recognize what they cover in the video. What exactly position are you referring to and why is that the litmus test for social liberalism? I was making my bones as a proponent of liberal positions, like gay marriage specifically, over a decade before Obama took it and before most of the kiddies were even on this fucking site. <quote>Or maybe it's not conservatism, it's just a systematic lack of empathy and a tendency to freak out over brown identity politics. </quote> It's not freaking out, what you people don't see is that white identity politics is going to be the necessary response to brown identity politics. Identity politics is fucking bad full stop.</quote> I've seen you post some heinous stuff about migrants, brown people in Israel, and several other things. Including supporting forced sterilizations in Israel. You attempt to present yourself as a reasonable liberal who is just tired of far left insanity, and you may have been that at one point but you absolutely don't recognize when you go way too far in the opposite direction. Like arguing that white identity politics is a necessary response to brown identity politics. That's my ultimate problem with you "I'm not a social conservative" types. You've recoiled so hard from the left that you forgot to not advocate for human rights abuses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/30/18 12:19:04 PM #57:	Sativa_Rose posted... He doesn't address the arguments about current spending habits. I'll quote from Hughes' article for an example: yes he does So now, we can move to Conley's statistical analysis of the wealth gap and it's potential causes. Important is Coleman's explanation of spending behavior is immediately disproven in this superior, longitudinal, multi-generational data set. he claims that the datasets Hughes uses are smaller and less accurate than the PSID (probably true) which shows no difference in consumer spending habits between blacks and whites after controlling for income (and specifically permanent income) --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905966458] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>He doesn't address the arguments about current spending habits. I'll quote from Hughes' article for an example: </quote> yes he does So now, we can move to Conley's statistical analysis of the wealth gap and it's potential causes. Important is Coleman's explanation of spending behavior is immediately disproven in this superior, longitudinal, multi-generational data set. he claims that the datasets Hughes uses are smaller and less accurate than the PSID (probably true) which shows no difference in consumer spending habits between blacks and whites after controlling for income (and specifically permanent income)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 12:21:13 PM #58:	@Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905966570] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>@Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/30/18 12:23:50 PM #59:	Sativa_Rose posted... This, that was uncalled for. He also called quillette racist for even allowing it to be published. Talk about being a condescending asshole. I have really been driven away from the left by their refusal to have honest intellectual discourses about controversial issues. Let's have an honest discourse about Quillette regularly publishing racist bullshit from undergrads willing to write for cheap --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:905966702] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>This, that was uncalled for. He also called quillette racist for even allowing it to be published. Talk about being a condescending asshole. I have really been driven away from the left by their refusal to have honest intellectual discourses about controversial issues.</quote> Let's have an honest discourse about Quillette regularly publishing racist bullshit from undergrads willing to write for cheap</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thrashmetal14 07/30/18 12:24:23 PM #60:	legendary_zell posted... Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? Hitting them over the head with two hour videos? You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day. Literally calling Sam Harris a conservative, LMAO <cite>thrashmetal14 posted [p:905966724] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? Hitting them over the head with two hour videos? You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day.</quote> Literally calling Sam Harris a conservative, LMAO</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/30/18 12:25:06 PM #61:	Antifar posted... Let's have an honest discourse about Quillette regularly publishing racist bullshit. do they? I only know about them because the same sort of people on twitter who hate Matt Yglesias regularly complain about Quillette I think Matt Y. is perfectly fine, not great but not deserving of the kind of hate he gets, so idk how to feel --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905966753] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Let's have an honest discourse about Quillette regularly publishing racist bullshit.</quote> do they? I only know about them because the same sort of people on twitter who hate Matt Yglesias regularly complain about Quillette I think Matt Y. is perfectly fine, not great but not deserving of the kind of hate he gets, so idk how to feel</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 12:28:11 PM #62:	Antifar posted... Sativa_Rose posted... This, that was uncalled for. He also called quillette racist for even allowing it to be published. Talk about being a condescending asshole. I have really been driven away from the left by their refusal to have honest intellectual discourses about controversial issues. Let's have an honest discourse about Quillette regularly publishing racist bullshit from undergrads willing to write for cheap Didn't you literally just link to a college student's shitty "takedown" of a reasonable Quillette piece? <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905966907] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>This, that was uncalled for. He also called quillette racist for even allowing it to be published. Talk about being a condescending asshole. I have really been driven away from the left by their refusal to have honest intellectual discourses about controversial issues.</quote> Let's have an honest discourse about Quillette regularly publishing racist bullshit from undergrads willing to write for cheap</quote> Didn't you literally just link to a college student's shitty "takedown" of a reasonable Quillette piece?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/30/18 12:29:52 PM #63:	silentwing26x posted... Didn't you literally just link to a college student's shitty "takedown" of a reasonable Quillette piece? it wasn't any less shitty than the article itself, it just wasn't in a format that can be published (I think hot take tweet storms are currently probably more important than long form articles with respect to public discourse though) --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905966990] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>Didn't you literally just link to a college student's shitty "takedown" of a reasonable Quillette piece?</quote> it wasn't any less shitty than the article itself, it just wasn't in a format that can be published (I think hot take tweet storms are currently probably more important than long form articles with respect to public discourse though)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/30/18 12:31:40 PM #64:	Balrog0 posted... do they? I only know about them because the same sort of people on twitter who hate Matt Yglesias regularly complain about Quillette "Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/ https://conatusnews.com/anomaly-academia-left-inquiry/ https://twitter.com/neoliberal_dad/status/1002365488285044738 https://twitter.com/nathanoseroff/status/943938663393759234 --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:905967085] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>do they? I only know about them because the same sort of people on twitter who hate Matt Yglesias regularly complain about Quillette </quote> "Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/ https://conatusnews.com/anomaly-academia-left-inquiry/ https://twitter.com/neoliberal_dad/status/1002365488285044738 https://twitter.com/nathanoseroff/status/943938663393759234</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 07/30/18 12:33:25 PM #65:	silentwing26x posted... @Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts. Pot meet kettle. Everything you've said here applies directly to you and always has, whether it's religion, capitalism, or Elon Musk. You fundamentally cannot help but become a hard liner for whatever belief system or person you're obsessed with this year. It shows an unbelievable lack of self awareness for you of all people to label someone else as doctrinaire. I haven't said anything especially left wing or SJW like on this board or in real life. You are simply the same Proudclad that's always viewed those that don't believe as you believe to be idiots foaming at the mouth. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:905967178] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>@Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts.</quote> Pot meet kettle. Everything you've said here applies directly to you and always has, whether it's religion, capitalism, or Elon Musk. You fundamentally cannot help but become a hard liner for whatever belief system or person you're obsessed with this year. It shows an unbelievable lack of self awareness for you of all people to label someone else as doctrinaire. I haven't said anything especially left wing or SJW like on this board or in real life. You are simply the same Proudclad that's always viewed those that don't believe as you believe to be idiots foaming at the mouth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 07/30/18 12:34:15 PM #66:	I watched the whole video and it was 2 hours of fake news --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:905967224] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>I watched the whole video and it was 2 hours of fake news</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueJester007 07/30/18 12:34:40 PM #67:	Taharqa_ posted... If you think segregationists would have given minorities their civil rights if they asked nicely then you are either trolling, racist or completely clueless and naive. Thinking in black and white is part of the problem. Its either ask them nicely or war. Complex problems call for complex solutions. You cant just go its either this or that and expect it to work. What was the right thing to do? It certainly wasnt either of those two options. Yeah, sure, call it naivety all you want. Youre only adding to the problem. --- Donald Trump is under your bed. <cite>BlueJester007 posted [p:905967252] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote>If you think segregationists would have given minorities their civil rights if they asked nicely then you are either trolling, racist or completely clueless and naive.</quote> Thinking in black and white is part of the problem. Its either ask them nicely or war. Complex problems call for complex solutions. You cant just go its either this or that and expect it to work. What was the right thing to do? It certainly wasnt either of those two options. Yeah, sure, call it naivety all you want. Youre only adding to the problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 07/30/18 12:34:51 PM #68:	I dont give a shit what you think about race since you outed yourself when you said it was ok to call black people the N word --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:905967259] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>I dont give a shit what you think about race since you outed yourself when you said it was ok to call black people the N word</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 07/30/18 12:35:07 PM #69:	Balrog0 posted... Sativa_Rose posted... He doesn't address the arguments about current spending habits. I'll quote from Hughes' article for an example: yes he does So now, we can move to Conley's statistical analysis of the wealth gap and it's potential causes. Important is Coleman's explanation of spending behavior is immediately disproven in this superior, longitudinal, multi-generational data set. he claims that the datasets Hughes uses are smaller and less accurate than the PSID (probably true) which shows no difference in consumer spending habits between blacks and whites after controlling for income (and specifically permanent income) It looks like Kevin actually only picked a 5 year period from 1984 - 1989 to rebut Hughes' claims with, along with mentioning a few other studies that found no disparity in savings rates. That certainly does not match the data in the studies that Hughes uses. It would be very laborious and time consuming to fully look into all of this. You'd basically have to do your own research project to figure out which studies to use and which ones to disregard. I'm certainly open to seeing any more articles that people have tried to write in response to Hughes, especially if it's more than just a twitter thread. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:905967274] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>He doesn't address the arguments about current spending habits. I'll quote from Hughes' article for an example: </quote> yes he does So now, we can move to Conley's statistical analysis of the wealth gap and it's potential causes. Important is Coleman's explanation of spending behavior is immediately disproven in this superior, longitudinal, multi-generational data set. he claims that the datasets Hughes uses are smaller and less accurate than the PSID (probably true) which shows no difference in consumer spending habits between blacks and whites after controlling for income (and specifically permanent income)</quote> It looks like Kevin actually only picked a 5 year period from 1984 - 1989 to rebut Hughes' claims with, along with mentioning a few other studies that found no disparity in savings rates. That certainly does not match the data in the studies that Hughes uses. It would be very laborious and time consuming to fully look into all of this. You'd basically have to do your own research project to figure out which studies to use and which ones to disregard. I'm certainly open to seeing any more articles that people have tried to write in response to Hughes, especially if it's more than just a twitter thread.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 12:35:34 PM #70:	legendary_zell posted... silentwing26x posted... @Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts. Pot meet kettle. Everything you've said here applies directly to you and always has, whether it's religion, capitalism, or Elon Musk. You fundamentally cannot help but become a hard liner for whatever belief system or person you're obsessed with this year. It shows an unbelievable lack of self awareness for you of all people to label someone else as doctrinaire. I haven't said anything especially left wing or SJW like on this board or in real life. You are simply the same Proudclad that's always viewed those that don't believe as you believe to be idiots foaming at the mouth. I've practiced and continue to practice changing my beliefs whenever new and better evidence becomes available. Even when it meant a massive 180 switch from my previous beliefs and acknowledging that I was egregiously wrong about something. That's not something you can say about yourself, so I'm not going to place any stock into your accusations/barbs. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905967298] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>@Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts.</quote> Pot meet kettle. Everything you've said here applies directly to you and always has, whether it's religion, capitalism, or Elon Musk. You fundamentally cannot help but become a hard liner for whatever belief system or person you're obsessed with this year. It shows an unbelievable lack of self awareness for you of all people to label someone else as doctrinaire. I haven't said anything especially left wing or SJW like on this board or in real life. You are simply the same Proudclad that's always viewed those that don't believe as you believe to be idiots foaming at the mouth.</quote> I've practiced and continue to practice changing my beliefs whenever new and better evidence becomes available. Even when it meant a massive 180 switch from my previous beliefs and acknowledging that I was egregiously wrong about something. That's not something you can say about yourself, so I'm not going to place any stock into your accusations/barbs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WrkHrdPlayHrdr 07/30/18 12:36:16 PM #71:	I got an hour and 23 minutes in then it lost me. His voice is too monotone. --- "I also advised their executives through e-mail that further behavior could result in a cyber attack[...]" https://imgur.com/cSxy3Od <cite>WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted [p:905967334] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>I got an hour and 23 minutes in then it lost me. His voice is too monotone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 07/30/18 12:36:44 PM #72:	thrashmetal14 posted... legendary_zell posted... Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? Hitting them over the head with two hour videos? You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day. Literally calling Sam Harris a conservative, LMAO There's a reason that conservatives lionize someone who is famous for being an outspoken atheist. He's useful rhetorically for them because he spouts negative views on Islam, racial consciousness, PC, etc. Those are socially conservative views and he is knowingly allied with them on those points. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:905967359] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>thrashmetal14 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? Hitting them over the head with two hour videos? You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day.</quote> Literally calling Sam Harris a conservative, LMAO</quote> There's a reason that conservatives lionize someone who is famous for being an outspoken atheist. He's useful rhetorically for them because he spouts negative views on Islam, racial consciousness, PC, etc. Those are socially conservative views and he is knowingly allied with them on those points.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 12:37:30 PM #73:	Balrog0 posted... silentwing26x posted... Didn't you literally just link to a college student's shitty "takedown" of a reasonable Quillette piece? it wasn't any less shitty than the article itself, it just wasn't in a format that can be published (I think hot take tweet storms are currently probably more important than long form articles with respect to public discourse though) Why do you think the article was shitty? Does it make factually incorrect claims? Disclosure: Haven't read it. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905967397] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>Didn't you literally just link to a college student's shitty "takedown" of a reasonable Quillette piece?</quote> it wasn't any less shitty than the article itself, it just wasn't in a format that can be published (I think hot take tweet storms are currently probably more important than long form articles with respect to public discourse though)</quote> Why do you think the article was shitty? Does it make factually incorrect claims? Disclosure: Haven't read it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 12:39:17 PM #74:	legendary_zell posted... thrashmetal14 posted... legendary_zell posted... Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? Hitting them over the head with two hour videos? You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day. Literally calling Sam Harris a conservative, LMAO There's a reason that conservatives lionize someone who is famous for being an outspoken atheist. He's useful rhetorically for them because he spouts negative views on Islam, racial consciousness, PC, etc. Those are socially conservative views and he is knowingly allied with them on those points. What are you blabbering about? Spouting negative views on Islam makes someone socially conservative? Are you even reading what you're typing? Islam is the embodiment of social conservatism today in the countries where it is the ruling ideology. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905967481] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thrashmetal14 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? Hitting them over the head with two hour videos? You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day.</quote> Literally calling Sam Harris a conservative, LMAO</quote> There's a reason that conservatives lionize someone who is famous for being an outspoken atheist. He's useful rhetorically for them because he spouts negative views on Islam, racial consciousness, PC, etc. Those are socially conservative views and he is knowingly allied with them on those points.</quote> What are you blabbering about? Spouting negative views on Islam makes someone socially conservative? Are you even reading what you're typing? Islam is the embodiment of social conservatism today in the countries where it is the ruling ideology.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 07/30/18 12:40:35 PM #75:	I've been a Sam Harris fan since the Christopher Hitchens days. It's only recently that even the moderate left has started to go after him. It seems like he used to actually be fairly popular with that crowd. I guess he started getting a little too politically incorrect for them. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:905967558] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>I've been a Sam Harris fan since the Christopher Hitchens days. It's only recently that even the moderate left has started to go after him. It seems like he used to actually be fairly popular with that crowd. I guess he started getting a little too politically incorrect for them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 12:41:49 PM #76:	Sativa_Rose posted... I've been a Sam Harris fan since the Christopher Hitchens days. It's only recently that even the moderate left has started to go after him. It seems like he used to actually be fairly popular with that crowd. I guess he started getting a little too politically incorrect for them. New atheism basically was the moderate left not long ago. Christianity was an easy and regular target, and the moderate left was all about secular humanism. Then at some point radical feminism, with its intersectionality and identity politics frameworks, basically engulfed the left. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905967635] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>I've been a Sam Harris fan since the Christopher Hitchens days. It's only recently that even the moderate left has started to go after him. It seems like he used to actually be fairly popular with that crowd. I guess he started getting a little too politically incorrect for them.</quote> New atheism basically was the moderate left not long ago. Christianity was an easy and regular target, and the moderate left was all about secular humanism. Then at some point radical feminism, with its intersectionality and identity politics frameworks, basically engulfed the left.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 07/30/18 12:42:35 PM #77:	Antifar posted... "Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/ How is this a racist article? Being incredibly shorthand, there absolutely is a difference in the IQ scores between races. On average, whites have a lower IQ than East Asians and Jews, why is it racist to recognize this fact? Why do you think "uncomfortable facts = racist"? And one of the overarching points of the video, is that race is/shouldbe the least interesting subject because everyone should be afforded the same rights and opportunities. The problem is when people (mostly the left) twist what rights are and what opportunities mean. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:905967675] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>"Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/</quote> How is this a racist article? Being incredibly shorthand, there absolutely is a difference in the IQ scores between races. On average, whites have a lower IQ than East Asians and Jews, why is it racist to recognize this fact? Why do you think "uncomfortable facts = racist"? And one of the overarching points of the video, is that race is/shouldbe the least interesting subject because everyone should be afforded the same rights and opportunities. The problem is when people (mostly the left) twist what rights are and what opportunities mean.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alphamon 07/30/18 12:43:01 PM #78:	legendary_zell posted... thrashmetal14 posted... legendary_zell posted... Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? Hitting them over the head with two hour videos? You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day. Literally calling Sam Harris a conservative, LMAO There's a reason that conservatives lionize someone who is famous for being an outspoken atheist. He's useful rhetorically for them because he spouts negative views on Islam, racial consciousness, PC, etc. Those are socially conservative views and he is knowingly allied with them on those points. Notice how Sam cozies up with Ben Shapiro, despite Ben representing everything Sam claims to hate? <cite>Alphamon posted [p:905967698] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thrashmetal14 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? Hitting them over the head with two hour videos? You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day.</quote> Literally calling Sam Harris a conservative, LMAO</quote> There's a reason that conservatives lionize someone who is famous for being an outspoken atheist. He's useful rhetorically for them because he spouts negative views on Islam, racial consciousness, PC, etc. Those are socially conservative views and he is knowingly allied with them on those points.</quote> Notice how Sam cozies up with Ben Shapiro, despite Ben representing everything Sam claims to hate?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/30/18 12:43:39 PM #79:	Sativa_Rose posted... I've been a Sam Harris fan since the Christopher Hitchens days. It's only recently that even the moderate left has started to go after him. It seems like he used to actually be fairly popular with that crowd. I guess he started getting a little too politically incorrect for them. That and his Islam stance doesn't work for the left Harris is a reasonable liberal with some out of touch positions in my opinion, but he is actually attempting to get at truth it seems. Other people are just possessed by their ideology..it really is crazy <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905967736] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>I've been a Sam Harris fan since the Christopher Hitchens days. It's only recently that even the moderate left has started to go after him. It seems like he used to actually be fairly popular with that crowd. I guess he started getting a little too politically incorrect for them.</quote> That and his Islam stance doesn't work for the left Harris is a reasonable liberal with some out of touch positions in my opinion, but he is actually attempting to get at truth it seems. Other people are just possessed by their ideology..it really is crazy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 07/30/18 12:44:17 PM #80:	Antifar posted... Balrog0 posted... do they? I only know about them because the same sort of people on twitter who hate Matt Yglesias regularly complain about Quillette "Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/ https://conatusnews.com/anomaly-academia-left-inquiry/ https://twitter.com/neoliberal_dad/status/1002365488285044738 https://twitter.com/nathanoseroff/status/943938663393759234 Why did I even read those first two. Both were terrible. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:905967772] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>do they? I only know about them because the same sort of people on twitter who hate Matt Yglesias regularly complain about Quillette </quote> "Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/ https://conatusnews.com/anomaly-academia-left-inquiry/ https://twitter.com/neoliberal_dad/status/1002365488285044738 https://twitter.com/nathanoseroff/status/943938663393759234</quote> Why did I even read those first two. Both were terrible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/30/18 12:44:23 PM #81:	Sativa_Rose posted... It looks like Kevin actually only picked a 5 year period from 1984 - 1989 to rebut Hughes' claims with, along with mentioning a few other studies that found no disparity in savings rates. That certainly does not match the data in the studies that Hughes uses. It would be very laborious and time consuming to fully look into all of this. You'd basically have to do your own research project to figure out which studies to use and which ones to disregard. the primary source he seems to cite is Being Black, Living in Red. I don't have that book, but I know it tracks a cohort for longer than 5 years. I have seen other criticisms of how it handles the data, though. --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905967776] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>It looks like Kevin actually only picked a 5 year period from 1984 - 1989 to rebut Hughes' claims with, along with mentioning a few other studies that found no disparity in savings rates. That certainly does not match the data in the studies that Hughes uses. It would be very laborious and time consuming to fully look into all of this. You'd basically have to do your own research project to figure out which studies to use and which ones to disregard. </quote> the primary source he seems to cite is Being Black, Living in Red. I don't have that book, but I know it tracks a cohort for longer than 5 years. I have seen other criticisms of how it handles the data, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 07/30/18 12:45:18 PM #82:	Alphamon posted... Notice how Sam cozies up with Ben Shapiro, despite Ben representing everything Sam claims to hate? Now let's think of possible reasons why this is 1. Sam is actually a republican and despite hours of content proving otherwise, he actually agrees with Ben on these things. 2. He feels like without discussion we are left with violence and we would all be wise to realize that a difference of opinion does not negate anyone's humanity and that just because you disagree doesn't mean you are a racist sexist bigot homophobe It's not even what people say anymore, it is who they talk to that the left is starting to get up in arms about. Talk about scary <cite>Romes187 posted [p:905967833] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote>Notice how Sam cozies up with Ben Shapiro, despite Ben representing everything Sam claims to hate? </quote> Now let's think of possible reasons why this is 1. Sam is actually a republican and despite hours of content proving otherwise, he actually agrees with Ben on these things. 2. He feels like without discussion we are left with violence and we would all be wise to realize that a difference of opinion does not negate anyone's humanity and that just because you disagree doesn't mean you are a racist sexist bigot homophobe It's not even what people say anymore, it is who they talk to that the left is starting to get up in arms about. Talk about scary</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 12:45:29 PM #83:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Antifar posted... "Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/ How is this a racist article? Being incredibly shorthand, there absolutely is a difference in the IQ scores between races. On average, whites have a lower IQ than East Asians and Jews, why is it racist to recognize this fact? Why do you think "uncomfortable facts = racist"? And one of the overarching points of the video, is that race is/shouldbe the least interesting subject because everyone should be afforded the same rights and opportunities. The problem is when people (mostly the left) twist what rights are and what opportunities mean. What the leftists never tell you about IQ is that average IQ has been increasing rapidly throughout the world in the last ~50 years. The researchers measuring IQ have had to increase the benchmarks for what constitutes "average" IQ over and over again as people have been getting smarter. To put things into perspective, if a person of average IQ today was sent 150 years back in time, or even 100 years back in time, they'd be considered of genius-level intellect by the smart people from back in the day. If that sounds too hard to believe, see for yourself in Steven Pinker's fantastic new book Enlightenment Now. It's an excellent read, full of analysis of actual data/studies on topics ranging from global warming, happiness, safety, education, healthcare, food, etc. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905967849] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>"Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/</quote> How is this a racist article? Being incredibly shorthand, there absolutely is a difference in the IQ scores between races. On average, whites have a lower IQ than East Asians and Jews, why is it racist to recognize this fact? Why do you think "uncomfortable facts = racist"? And one of the overarching points of the video, is that race is/shouldbe the least interesting subject because everyone should be afforded the same rights and opportunities. The problem is when people (mostly the left) twist what rights are and what opportunities mean.</quote> What the leftists never tell you about IQ is that average IQ has been increasing rapidly throughout the world in the last ~50 years. The researchers measuring IQ have had to increase the benchmarks for what constitutes "average" IQ over and over again as people have been getting smarter. To put things into perspective, if a person of average IQ today was sent 150 years back in time, or even 100 years back in time, they'd be considered of genius-level intellect by the smart people from back in the day. If that sounds too hard to believe, see for yourself in Steven Pinker's fantastic new book Enlightenment Now. It's an excellent read, full of analysis of actual data/studies on topics ranging from global warming, happiness, safety, education, healthcare, food, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 07/30/18 12:46:18 PM #84:	silentwing26x posted... legendary_zell posted... silentwing26x posted... @Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts. Pot meet kettle. Everything you've said here applies directly to you and always has, whether it's religion, capitalism, or Elon Musk. You fundamentally cannot help but become a hard liner for whatever belief system or person you're obsessed with this year. It shows an unbelievable lack of self awareness for you of all people to label someone else as doctrinaire. I haven't said anything especially left wing or SJW like on this board or in real life. You are simply the same Proudclad that's always viewed those that don't believe as you believe to be idiots foaming at the mouth. I've practiced and continue to practice changing my beliefs whenever new and better evidence becomes available. Even when it meant a massive 180 switch from my previous beliefs and acknowledging that I was egregiously wrong about something. That's not something you can say about yourself, so I'm not going to place any stock into your accusations/barbs. It's not about your beliefs, it's about your attitude. I'm saying that regardless of your beliefs, you still have the same dogmatic attitude underlying everything and that's something anyone can see. Going from militant Christianity to militant atheism along with militant capitalism isn't as impressive when you approach all of them with the same attitude. We're not even talking about the TCs point though. Or my original point in this topic. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:905967894] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>@Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts.</quote> Pot meet kettle. Everything you've said here applies directly to you and always has, whether it's religion, capitalism, or Elon Musk. You fundamentally cannot help but become a hard liner for whatever belief system or person you're obsessed with this year. It shows an unbelievable lack of self awareness for you of all people to label someone else as doctrinaire. I haven't said anything especially left wing or SJW like on this board or in real life. You are simply the same Proudclad that's always viewed those that don't believe as you believe to be idiots foaming at the mouth.</quote> I've practiced and continue to practice changing my beliefs whenever new and better evidence becomes available. Even when it meant a massive 180 switch from my previous beliefs and acknowledging that I was egregiously wrong about something. That's not something you can say about yourself, so I'm not going to place any stock into your accusations/barbs.</quote> It's not about your beliefs, it's about your attitude. I'm saying that regardless of your beliefs, you still have the same dogmatic attitude underlying everything and that's something anyone can see. Going from militant Christianity to militant atheism along with militant capitalism isn't as impressive when you approach all of them with the same attitude. We're not even talking about the TCs point though. Or my original point in this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 07/30/18 12:46:35 PM #85:	silentwing26x posted... New atheism basically was the moderate left not long ago. Christianity was an easy and regular target, and the moderate left was all about secular humanism. Then at some point radical feminism, with its intersectionality and identity politics frameworks, basically engulfed the left. x1000. It's funny, it sounds like you as well witnessed it as it happened. From their defense of Islam, to criticizing normal dating behavior at youtube conventions, it was like watching a car wreck in slow motion for over the last 8 years. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:905967908] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>New atheism basically was the moderate left not long ago. Christianity was an easy and regular target, and the moderate left was all about secular humanism. Then at some point radical feminism, with its intersectionality and identity politics frameworks, basically engulfed the left.</quote> x1000. It's funny, it sounds like you as well witnessed it as it happened. From their defense of Islam, to criticizing normal dating behavior at youtube conventions, it was like watching a car wreck in slow motion for over the last 8 years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 12:47:03 PM #86:	Zeeak4444 posted... Antifar posted... Balrog0 posted... do they? I only know about them because the same sort of people on twitter who hate Matt Yglesias regularly complain about Quillette "Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/ https://conatusnews.com/anomaly-academia-left-inquiry/ https://twitter.com/neoliberal_dad/status/1002365488285044738 https://twitter.com/nathanoseroff/status/943938663393759234 Why did I even read those first two. Both were terrible. In case anyone is wondering, allow me to point out the extent of Zeak's intellectual honesty here in this post from yesterday where nicklebro called him out on being dishonest. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76852709/905931409 <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905967934] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>do they? I only know about them because the same sort of people on twitter who hate Matt Yglesias regularly complain about Quillette </quote> "Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/ https://conatusnews.com/anomaly-academia-left-inquiry/ https://twitter.com/neoliberal_dad/status/1002365488285044738 https://twitter.com/nathanoseroff/status/943938663393759234</quote> Why did I even read those first two. Both were terrible.</quote> In case anyone is wondering, allow me to point out the extent of Zeak's intellectual honesty here in this post from yesterday where nicklebro called him out on being dishonest. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76852709/905931409</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 12:48:45 PM #87:	legendary_zell posted... silentwing26x posted... legendary_zell posted... silentwing26x posted... @Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts. Pot meet kettle. Everything you've said here applies directly to you and always has, whether it's religion, capitalism, or Elon Musk. You fundamentally cannot help but become a hard liner for whatever belief system or person you're obsessed with this year. It shows an unbelievable lack of self awareness for you of all people to label someone else as doctrinaire. I haven't said anything especially left wing or SJW like on this board or in real life. You are simply the same Proudclad that's always viewed those that don't believe as you believe to be idiots foaming at the mouth. I've practiced and continue to practice changing my beliefs whenever new and better evidence becomes available. Even when it meant a massive 180 switch from my previous beliefs and acknowledging that I was egregiously wrong about something. That's not something you can say about yourself, so I'm not going to place any stock into your accusations/barbs. It's not about your beliefs, it's about your attitude. I'm saying that regardless of your beliefs, you still have the same dogmatic attitude underlying everything and that's something anyone can see. Going from militant Christianity to militant atheism along with militant capitalism isn't as impressive when you approach all of them with the same attitude. We're not even talking about the TCs point though. Or my original point in this topic. You mistake confidence in what is the best available evidence I've got with dogma. I'm demonstrably not dogmatic because I consider alternative explanations of the evidence all the time. All you're doing is trying to refute any possible thing I say by pointing to a supposed character flaw because you know you wouldn't be able to refute what I say. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905968037] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>@Anarchy_Juiblex legendary_zell is obnoxiously far left, arguably even a SJW. It is pointless to try to reason with him or have nuanced conversation. I routinely get him mixed up with hollow_shrine who is also extremely far left, to give you an idea of the content of his posts.</quote> Pot meet kettle. Everything you've said here applies directly to you and always has, whether it's religion, capitalism, or Elon Musk. You fundamentally cannot help but become a hard liner for whatever belief system or person you're obsessed with this year. It shows an unbelievable lack of self awareness for you of all people to label someone else as doctrinaire. I haven't said anything especially left wing or SJW like on this board or in real life. You are simply the same Proudclad that's always viewed those that don't believe as you believe to be idiots foaming at the mouth.</quote> I've practiced and continue to practice changing my beliefs whenever new and better evidence becomes available. Even when it meant a massive 180 switch from my previous beliefs and acknowledging that I was egregiously wrong about something. That's not something you can say about yourself, so I'm not going to place any stock into your accusations/barbs.</quote> It's not about your beliefs, it's about your attitude. I'm saying that regardless of your beliefs, you still have the same dogmatic attitude underlying everything and that's something anyone can see. Going from militant Christianity to militant atheism along with militant capitalism isn't as impressive when you approach all of them with the same attitude. We're not even talking about the TCs point though. Or my original point in this topic.</quote> You mistake confidence in what is the best available evidence I've got with dogma. I'm demonstrably not dogmatic because I consider alternative explanations of the evidence all the time. All you're doing is trying to refute any possible thing I say by pointing to a supposed character flaw because you know you wouldn't be able to refute what I say.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/30/18 12:49:14 PM #88:	silentwing26x posted... Why do you think the article was shitty? Does it make factually incorrect claims? No, it doesn't make factually incorrect claims that I can tell at least. But neither does that tweet storm. The issue is more one of emphasis and the logical structure of the arguments it makes. For example, talking about how incomes went up for blacks between 1940 and 1960 going up faster than the similar income for whites in the wake of the New Deal. It is true that black income went up, at a relatively faster rate than that of whites, but most of that is attributable to the great migration and increased industrialization because of the war effort (and then the subsequent lack of industry in other countries). Basically, both blacks and whites stopped being share croppers or running small farms and started working in factories, but whites had already had higher levels of that. The whole conversation is also kind of irrelevant with respect to wealth, also, because when blacks moved from farms to cities they met the redlining etc that prevented them from accumulating wealth in the form of home ownership. By separating the increase in income from the material process by which it happened (namely, migration to higher productivity cities from low productivity farms) the author is kind of eliding the central point of the topic he is claiming to tackle --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905968067] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>Why do you think the article was shitty? Does it make factually incorrect claims?</quote> No, it doesn't make factually incorrect claims that I can tell at least. But neither does that tweet storm. The issue is more one of emphasis and the logical structure of the arguments it makes. For example, talking about how incomes went up for blacks between 1940 and 1960 going up faster than the similar income for whites in the wake of the New Deal. It is true that black income went up, at a relatively faster rate than that of whites, but most of that is attributable to the great migration and increased industrialization because of the war effort (and then the subsequent lack of industry in other countries). Basically, both blacks and whites stopped being share croppers or running small farms and started working in factories, but whites had already had higher levels of that. The whole conversation is also kind of irrelevant with respect to wealth, also, because when blacks moved from farms to cities they met the redlining etc that prevented them from accumulating wealth in the form of home ownership. By separating the increase in income from the material process by which it happened (namely, migration to higher productivity cities from low productivity farms) the author is kind of eliding the central point of the topic he is claiming to tackle</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 07/30/18 12:49:15 PM #89:	silentwing26x posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Antifar posted... "Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/ How is this a racist article? Being incredibly shorthand, there absolutely is a difference in the IQ scores between races. On average, whites have a lower IQ than East Asians and Jews, why is it racist to recognize this fact? Why do you think "uncomfortable facts = racist"? And one of the overarching points of the video, is that race is/shouldbe the least interesting subject because everyone should be afforded the same rights and opportunities. The problem is when people (mostly the left) twist what rights are and what opportunities mean. What the leftists never tell you about IQ is that average IQ has been increasing rapidly throughout the world in the last ~50 years. The researchers measuring IQ have had to increase the benchmarks for what constitutes "average" IQ over and over again as people have been getting smarter. To put things into perspective, if a person of average IQ today was sent 150 years back in time, or even 100 years back in time, they'd be considered of genius-level intellect by the smart people from back in the day. If that sounds too hard to believe, see for yourself in Steven Pinker's fantastic new book Enlightenment Now. It's an excellent read, full of analysis of actual data/studies on topics ranging from global warming, happiness, safety, education, healthcare, food, etc. Which would do nothing but discredit the arguments made in the article. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:905968070] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>"Race realism" is their schtick https://quillette.com/2017/03/27/a-tale-of-two-bell-curves/</quote> How is this a racist article? Being incredibly shorthand, there absolutely is a difference in the IQ scores between races. On average, whites have a lower IQ than East Asians and Jews, why is it racist to recognize this fact? Why do you think "uncomfortable facts = racist"? And one of the overarching points of the video, is that race is/shouldbe the least interesting subject because everyone should be afforded the same rights and opportunities. The problem is when people (mostly the left) twist what rights are and what opportunities mean.</quote> What the leftists never tell you about IQ is that average IQ has been increasing rapidly throughout the world in the last ~50 years. The researchers measuring IQ have had to increase the benchmarks for what constitutes "average" IQ over and over again as people have been getting smarter. To put things into perspective, if a person of average IQ today was sent 150 years back in time, or even 100 years back in time, they'd be considered of genius-level intellect by the smart people from back in the day. If that sounds too hard to believe, see for yourself in Steven Pinker's fantastic new book Enlightenment Now. It's an excellent read, full of analysis of actual data/studies on topics ranging from global warming, happiness, safety, education, healthcare, food, etc.</quote> Which would do nothing but discredit the arguments made in the article.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 12:51:08 PM #90:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... silentwing26x posted... New atheism basically was the moderate left not long ago. Christianity was an easy and regular target, and the moderate left was all about secular humanism. Then at some point radical feminism, with its intersectionality and identity politics frameworks, basically engulfed the left. x1000. It's funny, it sounds like you as well witnessed it as it happened. From their defense of Islam, to criticizing normal dating behavior at youtube conventions, it was like watching a car wreck in slow motion for over the last 8 years. Yeah, I was really involved in the entire new atheism / Christianity debacle and couldn't believe my eyes when I saw new atheism get ravaged by the atheism+ crowd that then became the radical feminist / SJW crowd. In a way it's kind of ironic, because there were Christian apologists who warned that this would happen. IE that when you really quickly upend the cultural system in place, it opens up the door for chaos that is greater than anything seen during the status quo. I think the far left crowd will lose in the long run though. The writing is already on the wall. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905968180] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>New atheism basically was the moderate left not long ago. Christianity was an easy and regular target, and the moderate left was all about secular humanism. Then at some point radical feminism, with its intersectionality and identity politics frameworks, basically engulfed the left.</quote> x1000. It's funny, it sounds like you as well witnessed it as it happened. From their defense of Islam, to criticizing normal dating behavior at youtube conventions, it was like watching a car wreck in slow motion for over the last 8 years.</quote> Yeah, I was really involved in the entire new atheism / Christianity debacle and couldn't believe my eyes when I saw new atheism get ravaged by the atheism+ crowd that then became the radical feminist / SJW crowd. In a way it's kind of ironic, because there were Christian apologists who warned that this would happen. IE that when you really quickly upend the cultural system in place, it opens up the door for chaos that is greater than anything seen during the status quo. I think the far left crowd will lose in the long run though. The writing is already on the wall.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 12:52:56 PM #91:	Balrog0 posted... silentwing26x posted... Why do you think the article was shitty? Does it make factually incorrect claims? No, it doesn't make factually incorrect claims that I can tell at least. But neither does that tweet storm. The issue is more one of emphasis and the logical structure of the arguments it makes. For example, talking about how incomes went up for blacks between 1940 and 1960 going up faster than the similar income for whites in the wake of the New Deal. It is true that black income went up, at a relatively faster rate than that of whites, but most of that is attributable to the great migration and increased industrialization because of the war effort (and then the subsequent lack of industry in other countries). Basically, both blacks and whites stopped being share croppers or running small farms and started working in factories, but whites had already had higher levels of that. The whole conversation is also kind of irrelevant with respect to wealth, also, because when blacks moved from farms to cities they met the redlining etc that prevented them from accumulating wealth in the form of home ownership. By separating the increase in income from the material process by which it happened (namely, migration to higher productivity cities from low productivity farms) the author is kind of eliding the central point of the topic he is claiming to tackle You should read some Thomas Sowell with regards to black migration from the south into northern cities. He has some interesting analysis on the data. I mentioned some of it in the book thread I made a while back when I was reading Disparities and Discrimination. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905968276] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>Why do you think the article was shitty? Does it make factually incorrect claims?</quote> No, it doesn't make factually incorrect claims that I can tell at least. But neither does that tweet storm. The issue is more one of emphasis and the logical structure of the arguments it makes. For example, talking about how incomes went up for blacks between 1940 and 1960 going up faster than the similar income for whites in the wake of the New Deal. It is true that black income went up, at a relatively faster rate than that of whites, but most of that is attributable to the great migration and increased industrialization because of the war effort (and then the subsequent lack of industry in other countries). Basically, both blacks and whites stopped being share croppers or running small farms and started working in factories, but whites had already had higher levels of that. The whole conversation is also kind of irrelevant with respect to wealth, also, because when blacks moved from farms to cities they met the redlining etc that prevented them from accumulating wealth in the form of home ownership. By separating the increase in income from the material process by which it happened (namely, migration to higher productivity cities from low productivity farms) the author is kind of eliding the central point of the topic he is claiming to tackle</quote> You should read some Thomas Sowell with regards to black migration from the south into northern cities. He has some interesting analysis on the data. I mentioned some of it in the book thread I made a while back when I was reading Disparities and Discrimination.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 07/30/18 12:54:02 PM #92:	silentwing26x posted... legendary_zell posted... thrashmetal14 posted... legendary_zell posted... Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? Hitting them over the head with two hour videos? You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day. Literally calling Sam Harris a conservative, LMAO There's a reason that conservatives lionize someone who is famous for being an outspoken atheist. He's useful rhetorically for them because he spouts negative views on Islam, racial consciousness, PC, etc. Those are socially conservative views and he is knowingly allied with them on those points. What are you blabbering about? Spouting negative views on Islam makes someone socially conservative? Are you even reading what you're typing? Islam is the embodiment of social conservatism today in the countries where it is the ruling ideology. Yeah, when you talk about limiting the numbers of a religious group in society, talk about how you're at war with a religion itself etc, people might consider that socially conservative. What a shock. You can be doing it to preserve liberal institutions in your mind, but when your rhetoric starts to merge with that of blatant islamaphobes and extremists, maybe you made a mistake somewhere and you shouldn't be surprised when people link you. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:905968345] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thrashmetal14 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? Hitting them over the head with two hour videos? You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day.</quote> Literally calling Sam Harris a conservative, LMAO</quote> There's a reason that conservatives lionize someone who is famous for being an outspoken atheist. He's useful rhetorically for them because he spouts negative views on Islam, racial consciousness, PC, etc. Those are socially conservative views and he is knowingly allied with them on those points.</quote> What are you blabbering about? Spouting negative views on Islam makes someone socially conservative? Are you even reading what you're typing? Islam is the embodiment of social conservatism today in the countries where it is the ruling ideology.</quote> Yeah, when you talk about limiting the numbers of a religious group in society, talk about how you're at war with a religion itself etc, people might consider that socially conservative. What a shock. You can be doing it to preserve liberal institutions in your mind, but when your rhetoric starts to merge with that of blatant islamaphobes and extremists, maybe you made a mistake somewhere and you shouldn't be surprised when people link you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 07/30/18 12:54:11 PM #93:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... silentwing26x posted... New atheism basically was the moderate left not long ago. Christianity was an easy and regular target, and the moderate left was all about secular humanism. Then at some point radical feminism, with its intersectionality and identity politics frameworks, basically engulfed the left. x1000. It's funny, it sounds like you as well witnessed it as it happened. From their defense of Islam, to criticizing normal dating behavior at youtube conventions, it was like watching a car wreck in slow motion for over the last 8 years. I agree with you both. It's insane. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:905968359] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>New atheism basically was the moderate left not long ago. Christianity was an easy and regular target, and the moderate left was all about secular humanism. Then at some point radical feminism, with its intersectionality and identity politics frameworks, basically engulfed the left.</quote> x1000. It's funny, it sounds like you as well witnessed it as it happened. From their defense of Islam, to criticizing normal dating behavior at youtube conventions, it was like watching a car wreck in slow motion for over the last 8 years.</quote> I agree with you both. It's insane.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/30/18 12:54:44 PM #94:	my point is that his discussion of black income comes right after he talks about homeownership but he doesn't talk about how income and homeownership intersect at all, which is not giving due diligence to the progressive argument he is claiming to be refuting or dismantling or whatever --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905968393] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote>my point is that his discussion of black income comes right after he talks about homeownership but he doesn't talk about how income and homeownership intersect at all, which is not giving due diligence to the progressive argument he is claiming to be refuting or dismantling or whatever</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 07/30/18 12:57:00 PM #95:	BlueJester007 posted... Taharqa_ posted... If you think segregationists would have given minorities their civil rights if they asked nicely then you are either trolling, racist or completely clueless and naive. Thinking in black and white is part of the problem. Its either ask them nicely or war. Complex problems call for complex solutions. You cant just go its either this or that and expect it to work. What was the right thing to do? It certainly wasnt either of those two options. Yeah, sure, call it naivety all you want. Youre only adding to the problem. Yeah, lets hope on the good nature of folks that would sic attack dogs and fire hoses on protestors, bomb churches, lynch and assassinate people who tried to advocate for civil rights. The Federal government HAD to step in at that point and mandate the Civil Rights legislation on a Federal level. Your line of thinking would have had us right next to apartheid South Africa well in to the 1980s. --- "If you want to move fast, practice slowly...if you want to move like lightning, practice in stillness." <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:905968516] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueJester007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote>If you think segregationists would have given minorities their civil rights if they asked nicely then you are either trolling, racist or completely clueless and naive.</quote> Thinking in black and white is part of the problem. Its either ask them nicely or war. Complex problems call for complex solutions. You cant just go its either this or that and expect it to work. What was the right thing to do? It certainly wasnt either of those two options. Yeah, sure, call it naivety all you want. Youre only adding to the problem.</quote> Yeah, lets hope on the good nature of folks that would sic attack dogs and fire hoses on protestors, bomb churches, lynch and assassinate people who tried to advocate for civil rights. The Federal government HAD to step in at that point and mandate the Civil Rights legislation on a Federal level. Your line of thinking would have had us right next to apartheid South Africa well in to the 1980s.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 12:58:33 PM #96:	legendary_zell posted... silentwing26x posted... legendary_zell posted... thrashmetal14 posted... legendary_zell posted... Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? Hitting them over the head with two hour videos? You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day. Literally calling Sam Harris a conservative, LMAO There's a reason that conservatives lionize someone who is famous for being an outspoken atheist. He's useful rhetorically for them because he spouts negative views on Islam, racial consciousness, PC, etc. Those are socially conservative views and he is knowingly allied with them on those points. What are you blabbering about? Spouting negative views on Islam makes someone socially conservative? Are you even reading what you're typing? Islam is the embodiment of social conservatism today in the countries where it is the ruling ideology. Yeah, when you talk about limiting the numbers of a religious group in society, talk about how you're at war with a religion itself etc, people might consider that socially conservative. What a shock. You can be doing it to preserve liberal institutions in your mind, but when your rhetoric starts to merge with that of blatant islamaphobes and extremists, maybe you made a mistake somewhere and you shouldn't be surprised when people link you. It's more that Islam is at war with the western world and pretty much any other world that isn't Islam. As evidenced by its own publicly stated charter in the Quran and in the actions of the world's largest and most powerful Islamic countries. "Islamophobe" is a word intentionally designed to scare people into not criticizing Islam. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905968596] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thrashmetal14 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? Hitting them over the head with two hour videos? You should really spend less time having your thoughts spat back at you in video form. This is becoming a really unhealthy habit among internet social conservatives. Just having this guy, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and the other conservative interlectualls on repeat all day.</quote> Literally calling Sam Harris a conservative, LMAO</quote> There's a reason that conservatives lionize someone who is famous for being an outspoken atheist. He's useful rhetorically for them because he spouts negative views on Islam, racial consciousness, PC, etc. Those are socially conservative views and he is knowingly allied with them on those points.</quote> What are you blabbering about? Spouting negative views on Islam makes someone socially conservative? Are you even reading what you're typing? Islam is the embodiment of social conservatism today in the countries where it is the ruling ideology.</quote> Yeah, when you talk about limiting the numbers of a religious group in society, talk about how you're at war with a religion itself etc, people might consider that socially conservative. What a shock. You can be doing it to preserve liberal institutions in your mind, but when your rhetoric starts to merge with that of blatant islamaphobes and extremists, maybe you made a mistake somewhere and you shouldn't be surprised when people link you.</quote> It's more that Islam is at war with the western world and pretty much any other world that isn't Islam. As evidenced by its own publicly stated charter in the Quran and in the actions of the world's largest and most powerful Islamic countries. "Islamophobe" is a word intentionally designed to scare people into not criticizing Islam.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 07/30/18 12:58:55 PM #97:	silentwing26x posted... You should read some Thomas Sowell with regards to black migration from the south into northern cities. He has some interesting analysis on the data. I mentioned some of it in the book thread I made a while back when I was reading Disparities and Discrimination. I really need to get that book. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:905968617] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>You should read some Thomas Sowell with regards to black migration from the south into northern cities. He has some interesting analysis on the data. I mentioned some of it in the book thread I made a while back when I was reading Disparities and Discrimination. </quote> I really need to get that book.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 12:59:34 PM #98:	Balrog0 posted... my point is that his discussion of black income comes right after he talks about homeownership but he doesn't talk about how income and homeownership intersect at all, which is not giving due diligence to the progressive argument he is claiming to be refuting or dismantling or whatever How do you think income and home ownership intersected throughout history? And especially in the mid and late 2000s. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905968655] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>my point is that his discussion of black income comes right after he talks about homeownership but he doesn't talk about how income and homeownership intersect at all, which is not giving due diligence to the progressive argument he is claiming to be refuting or dismantling or whatever</quote> How do you think income and home ownership intersected throughout history? And especially in the mid and late 2000s.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/30/18 1:00:15 PM #99:	silentwing26x posted... How do you think income and home ownership intersected throughout history? And especially in the mid and late 2000s. I dunno, maybe some day I'll write a think piece about it and not actually cover that topic and some prominent public intellectual can talk to me for 2 hours about it :) --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905968691] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote> How do you think income and home ownership intersected throughout history? And especially in the mid and late 2000s.</quote> I dunno, maybe some day I'll write a think piece about it and not actually cover that topic and some prominent public intellectual can talk to me for 2 hours about it :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DuneMan 07/30/18 1:00:33 PM #100:	legendary_zell posted... Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? This, so goddamn much. For all the glib jokes about how SJW leftists are crazy and eat their own, etc, etc, people on the right also employ truncheons to beat people over the head with their ideology. It doesn't work, no matter what part of the political spectrum is being represented. --- "I'd rather betray the world than let the world betray me." -Cao Cao <cite>DuneMan posted [p:905968710] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Do you really think this is a good way to approach people or to persuade them? </quote> This, so goddamn much. For all the glib jokes about how SJW leftists are crazy and eat their own, etc, etc, people on the right also employ truncheons to beat people over the head with their ideology. It doesn't work, no matter what part of the political spectrum is being represented.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 07/30/18 1:01:24 PM #101:	Sativa_Rose posted... silentwing26x posted... You should read some Thomas Sowell with regards to black migration from the south into northern cities. He has some interesting analysis on the data. I mentioned some of it in the book thread I made a while back when I was reading Disparities and Discrimination. I really need to get that book. It's not a long read but it's well worth the price. I also highly highly recommend Enlightenment Now by Steven Pinker. It basically dismantles all kind of bull-shit you see online. The gist of the book is that life has never been better and that it's getting better at a rapid rate. In terms of access to food, healthcare, education, happiness, safety, resources, etc. It's actually a mindblowing book. <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:905968763] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote>You should read some Thomas Sowell with regards to black migration from the south into northern cities. He has some interesting analysis on the data. I mentioned some of it in the book thread I made a while back when I was reading Disparities and Discrimination. </quote> I really need to get that book.</quote> It's not a long read but it's well worth the price. I also highly highly recommend Enlightenment Now by Steven Pinker. It basically dismantles all kind of bull-shit you see online. The gist of the book is that life has never been better and that it's getting better at a rapid rate. In terms of access to food, healthcare, education, happiness, safety, resources, etc. It's actually a mindblowing book.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueJester007 07/30/18 1:01:58 PM #102:	Taharqa_ posted... Yeah, lets hope on the good nature of folks that would sic attack dogs and fire hoses on protestors, bomb churches, lynch and assassinate people who tried to advocate for civil rights. I didnt say that. Like I said, this is a complex problem that cant be solved with a band-aid like the federal government applied. This is a problem that requires far more unconventional means to solve. --- Donald Trump is under your bed. <cite>BlueJester007 posted [p:905968793] in An interes... [t:76854798]...</cite> <quote><cite>Taharqa_ posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, lets hope on the good nature of folks that would sic attack dogs and fire hoses on protestors, bomb churches, lynch and assassinate people who tried to advocate for civil rights.</quote> I didnt say that. Like I said, this is a complex problem that cant be solved with a band-aid like the federal government applied. This is a problem that requires far more unconventional means to solve.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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