Poll of the Day > Trump is a traitor to his own country.

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OhhhJa
07/17/18 6:58:28 PM
#101:


ifnsman posted...
SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Why is the US at odds with Russia? It seems like the 2 countries would be excellent allies against the wave of religious extremists in that corner of the world.


For the same reason we're not allied with China; because Russia's ruled by an obvious dictator who suppresses freedoms of speech & press, and has a cult of personality.

OhhhJa posted...
They just know that it's a good reason to complain about trump despite the fact that many leftists ideals are ripped straight from the Soviet Union.


Hilariously inaccurate, and totally expected from a brainwashed "dear leader" supporter.

It's always the hypocritical defense of the plutocratic right to say federalism and communism are essentially the same thing, all while willingly supporting wannabe-fascists.

I've heard too many leftists support Marxism to really believe it's hilariously inaccurate
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OhhhJa
07/17/18 7:00:37 PM
#102:


Blighboy posted...
OhhhJa posted...
The left doesn't actually know. They just know that it's a good reason to complain about trump despite the fact that many leftists ideals are ripped straight from the Soviet Union. Kinda ironic really

The real reason we're at odds with Russia is because of our different economic interests in the middle east mainly. That and our sanctions against NK which is a country they do some shady business with and probably trade with like China does. We continuously fight proxy wars with Russia in the middle east. That's the real reason the anti Russian rhetoric exists

Trump has turned on Russia. Please keep up, you're making our President look bad.

I'm not a fan of Russia. I was just explaining how leftists dont even understand the root of the rhetoric they spew. Please keep up
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Lobomoon
07/17/18 7:04:09 PM
#103:


I hope you understand that all that "Blame everything on Russia" and "Trump says the darnest things" is to distract American people from all the problems inside the country.

Anyone even remembers the about all of those poor migrant children in cages at the border... Bah... That's sooooooooo last week....
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ifnsman
07/17/18 7:26:25 PM
#104:


OhhhJa posted...
I've heard too many leftists support Marxism to really believe it's hilariously inaccurate


You actually believe Marxism is no different from communism.

Now that IS hilarious.

Karl Marx was just a philosopher, theorist, and economist. Marxism is a criticism of the obvious problems with Capitalism and how it can easily lead to serious conflict between the rich minority and the working majority if not properly regulated by law, and how change inevitably occurs because of it.

Also: Socialism is NOT the same thing as Communism. The former system allows Capitalism to continue existing, because it assumes that humans are inevitably motivated by greed at some level. Communism seeks to destroy Capitalism entirely.

The right, and now the alt-right, has a history of fooling people into believing socialism = communism. It's just an excuse to push their own agenda of becoming essentially communists themselves.

Lobomoon posted...
Anyone even remembers the about all of those poor migrant children in cages at the border... Bah... That's sooooooooo last week....


Then it's obvious you're willfully underestimating how that has further impacted the approval of Trump as president.
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Lobomoon
07/17/18 7:34:06 PM
#105:


That's assuming anyone would remember this in a week time.
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CarefreeDude
07/17/18 8:16:39 PM
#106:


So many outrageous things happen in the world of american politics that it's hard to keep up with it all.
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OhhhJa
07/17/18 11:14:03 PM
#107:


ifnsman posted...
You actually believe Marxism is no different from communism.

Now that IS hilarious.

Karl Marx was just a philosopher, theorist, and economist. Marxism is a criticism of the obvious problems with Capitalism and how it can easily lead to serious conflict between the rich minority and the working majority if not properly regulated by law, and how change inevitably occurs because of it.

Also: Socialism is NOT the same thing as Communism. The former system allows Capitalism to continue existing, because it assumes that humans are inevitably motivated by greed at some level. Communism seeks to destroy Capitalism entirely.

The right, and now the alt-right, has a history of fooling people into believing socialism = communism. It's just an excuse to push their own agenda of becoming essentially communists themselves.

The hilarious thing through all your inane, pointless rambling about the alt right and "lol it's not socialism" is that you're so into Marx and somehow don't realize that he ultimately believed that Marxism would lead communism and as actually viewed as the necessary stepping stone to get there. He wanted that outcome and that was before he realized he shitty the outcome is. Educate yourself homie

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OhhhJa
07/17/18 11:15:50 PM
#108:


Lobomoon posted...
That's assuming anyone would remember this in a week time.

They wont. Thats how this shit always goes. Certain types of news stay in style for about a month and then they move on to the next exciting outrage
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ifnsman
07/17/18 11:22:52 PM
#109:


OhhhJa posted...
somehow don't realize that he ultimately believed that Marxism would lead communism


Congratulations, you've proven how willfully ignorant you are.

He believed his system would lead into socialism.

If you can't get the concept through your head that socialism =/= communism, there's no helping a barbarian like you.
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OhhhJa
07/17/18 11:23:44 PM
#110:


ifnsman posted...
OhhhJa posted...
somehow don't realize that he ultimately believed that Marxism would lead communism


Congratulations, you've proven how willfully ignorant you are.

He believed his system would lead into socialism.

If you can't get the concept through your head that socialism =/= communism, there's no helping a barbarian like you.

Do I really need to do your research for you? Lol figures a marxists would be too lazy to research it for themselves
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ifnsman
07/17/18 11:27:41 PM
#111:


OhhhJa posted...
Do I really need to do your research for you?


Oh look, the pot's calling the kettle black.

If I'm a marxist, then you're definitely a supporter of a Fourth Reich with Trump as furor.
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OhhhJa
07/17/18 11:27:43 PM
#112:


He believed the state would eventually disappear
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ifnsman
07/17/18 11:31:58 PM
#113:


OhhhJa posted...
He believed the state would eventually disappear


And? This is something I didn't already know?

The man was just a philosopher and economist.

Marxism =/= Communism =/= Socialism.
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OhhhJa
07/17/18 11:42:19 PM
#114:


ifnsman posted...
OhhhJa posted...
He believed the state would eventually disappear


And? This is something I didn't already know?

The man was just a philosopher and economist.

Marxism =/= Communism =/= Socialism.

Socialism might not all technically be Marxism but it is the original philosophy behind it. Socialism might not necessarily be Marxism because of its modern day blend with capitalism but Marxism is the root of modern day socialism. I'll also say I respect Karl Marx in that he was very intelligent and had a very goodhearted, honest idea of what socialism would become. And in some countries a blend of capitalism and socialism does work fairly well
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McSame_as_Bush
07/18/18 12:34:54 AM
#115:


OhhhJa posted...
ifnsman posted...
OhhhJa posted...
He believed the state would eventually disappear


And? This is something I didn't already know?

The man was just a philosopher and economist.

Marxism =/= Communism =/= Socialism.

Socialism might not all technically be Marxism but it is the original philosophy behind it. Socialism might not necessarily be Marxism because of its modern day blend with capitalism but Marxism is the root of modern day socialism. I'll also say I respect Karl Marx in that he was very intelligent and had a very goodhearted, honest idea of what socialism would become. And in some countries a blend of capitalism and socialism does work fairly well


I have read this paragraph five times now and I don't have the slightest idea what you are trying to say.
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OhhhJa
07/18/18 2:13:55 AM
#116:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
OhhhJa posted...
ifnsman posted...
OhhhJa posted...
He believed the state would eventually disappear


And? This is something I didn't already know?

The man was just a philosopher and economist.

Marxism =/= Communism =/= Socialism.

Socialism might not all technically be Marxism but it is the original philosophy behind it. Socialism might not necessarily be Marxism because of its modern day blend with capitalism but Marxism is the root of modern day socialism. I'll also say I respect Karl Marx in that he was very intelligent and had a very goodhearted, honest idea of what socialism would become. And in some countries a blend of capitalism and socialism does work fairly well


I have read this paragraph five times now and I don't have the slightest idea what you are trying to say.

While I was redundant with the first two sentences because I was at work and typing quickly without much proofreading, I dont believe it's difficult to comprehend
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ifnsman
07/18/18 6:22:18 AM
#117:


OhhhJa posted...
Socialism might not all technically be Marxism but it is the original philosophy behind it. Socialism might not necessarily be Marxism because of its modern day blend with capitalism but Marxism is the root of modern day socialism.


Blatantly wrong again, as expected. Henri de Saint-Simon, born 60 years before Karl Marx, is the one to coin socialism and the original mind behind it. Not to mention that his idea of socialism followed the limited government involvement that Republicans claim to love so much.

What the right calls "socialism" is what they want the masses to believe. Not the truth.
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OhhhJa
07/18/18 12:56:48 PM
#118:


ifnsman posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Socialism might not all technically be Marxism but it is the original philosophy behind it. Socialism might not necessarily be Marxism because of its modern day blend with capitalism but Marxism is the root of modern day socialism.


Blatantly wrong again, as expected. Henri de Saint-Simon, born 60 years before Karl Marx, is the one to coin socialism and the original mind behind it. Not to mention that his idea of socialism followed the limited government involvement that Republicans claim to love so much.

What the right calls "socialism" is what they want the masses to believe. Not the truth.

Funny then that google says Karl Marx is the founder of socialism. I guess you know more than google

Sure, maybe he didn't coin the term but he is recognized as the founder.

It's funny to me when leftists try to pretend like socialism is so difficult to understand like it's some complicated idea that only a genius can fathom. Many people on the right understand the differences between communism and socialism. This isn't the 90s anymore
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McSame_as_Bush
07/18/18 1:28:53 PM
#119:


He is not the "founder."
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Doctor Foxx
07/18/18 1:42:30 PM
#120:


America is a very socialist country

It just happens to treat corporations like people and screw over the actual humans
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Moonjay
07/18/18 1:45:08 PM
#121:


Doctor Foxx posted...
America is a very socialist country

It just happens to treat corporations like people and screw over the actual humans


This is... a pretty good way to put it.
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ClarkDuke
07/18/18 5:33:33 PM
#122:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
He is not the "founder."

He's painting himself into a corner with inaccuracies, I think he's commenting on Donald Trump, ok?
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OhhhJa
07/18/18 5:35:09 PM
#123:


ClarkDuke posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
He is not the "founder."

He's painting himself into a corner with inaccuracies, I think he's commenting on Donald Trump, ok?

Yes I'm going to trust Google over a bunch of gfaqs nobodies lol
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ClarkDuke
07/18/18 5:40:33 PM
#124:


OhhhJa posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
He is not the "founder."

He's painting himself into a corner with inaccuracies, I think he's commenting on Donald Trump, ok?

Yes I'm going to trust Google over a bunch of gfaqs nobodies lol

Well theres your mistake, ok?
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Ferarri619
07/18/18 5:43:33 PM
#125:


North Korea and Iran are gonna launch nukes and Earth is doomed.
Time to have dinosaurs again instead of humans.
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McSame_as_Bush
07/18/18 6:16:00 PM
#126:


OhhhJa posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
He is not the "founder."

He's painting himself into a corner with inaccuracies, I think he's commenting on Donald Trump, ok?

Yes I'm going to trust Google over a bunch of gfaqs nobodies lol


I could use Google to find info that the earth is flat.
That doesn't mean the earth is flat.
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Entity13
07/18/18 6:21:31 PM
#127:


I can probably use Google to "prove" that Google is reliable, even. That doesn't mean it actually is or isn't.
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Moonjay
07/18/18 7:07:04 PM
#128:


Ferarri619 posted...
North Korea and Iran are gonna launch nukes and Earth is doomed.
Time to have dinosaurs again instead of humans.


More like tardigrades and cockroaches.
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OhhhJa
07/18/18 7:21:57 PM
#129:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
OhhhJa posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
He is not the "founder."

He's painting himself into a corner with inaccuracies, I think he's commenting on Donald Trump, ok?

Yes I'm going to trust Google over a bunch of gfaqs nobodies lol


I could use Google to find info that the earth is flat.
That doesn't mean the earth is flat.

Terrible analogy. If you ask reasonable basic questions, the first result is pretty much always the correct answer. Hell, it's usually the wikipedia page
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OhhhJa
07/18/18 7:26:17 PM
#130:


Entity13 posted...
I can probably use Google to "prove" that Google is reliable, even. That doesn't mean it actually is or isn't.

Maybe if you google far right sites, ok?
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McSame_as_Bush
07/18/18 7:42:41 PM
#131:


OhhhJa posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
OhhhJa posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
He is not the "founder."

He's painting himself into a corner with inaccuracies, I think he's commenting on Donald Trump, ok?

Yes I'm going to trust Google over a bunch of gfaqs nobodies lol


I could use Google to find info that the earth is flat.
That doesn't mean the earth is flat.

Terrible analogy. If you ask reasonable basic questions, the first result is pretty much always the correct answer. Hell, it's usually the wikipedia page


Please never get a job that requires research.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
07/18/18 7:45:26 PM
#132:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
OhhhJa posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
OhhhJa posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
He is not the "founder."

He's painting himself into a corner with inaccuracies, I think he's commenting on Donald Trump, ok?

Yes I'm going to trust Google over a bunch of gfaqs nobodies lol


I could use Google to find info that the earth is flat.
That doesn't mean the earth is flat.

Terrible analogy. If you ask reasonable basic questions, the first result is pretty much always the correct answer. Hell, it's usually the wikipedia page


Please never get a job that requires research.

Lol. Doubt that's gonna be a problem.
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OhhhJa
07/18/18 7:46:38 PM
#133:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
OhhhJa posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
OhhhJa posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
He is not the "founder."

He's painting himself into a corner with inaccuracies, I think he's commenting on Donald Trump, ok?

Yes I'm going to trust Google over a bunch of gfaqs nobodies lol


I could use Google to find info that the earth is flat.
That doesn't mean the earth is flat.

Terrible analogy. If you ask reasonable basic questions, the first result is pretty much always the correct answer. Hell, it's usually the wikipedia page


Please never get a job that requires research.

I think you're mad that I'm right. Google is about as reliable as it gets for basic info that doesn't require research. Your skull is thicker than cardi b. You sound like one of those guys that's like "lol wikipedia isnt reliable!"

Obviously some subjects require more research than a simple google search. This isnt one of them
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OhhhJa
07/18/18 7:47:44 PM
#134:


FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
OhhhJa posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
OhhhJa posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
He is not the "founder."

He's painting himself into a corner with inaccuracies, I think he's commenting on Donald Trump, ok?

Yes I'm going to trust Google over a bunch of gfaqs nobodies lol


I could use Google to find info that the earth is flat.
That doesn't mean the earth is flat.

Terrible analogy. If you ask reasonable basic questions, the first result is pretty much always the correct answer. Hell, it's usually the wikipedia page


Please never get a job that requires research.

Lol. Doubt that's gonna be a problem.

I already have a job in the EE field. Your only job is making troll alts and playing steam games
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
07/18/18 7:52:48 PM
#135:


OhhhJa posted...
FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
OhhhJa posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
OhhhJa posted...
ClarkDuke posted...

He's painting himself into a corner with inaccuracies, I think he's commenting on Donald Trump, ok?

Yes I'm going to trust Google over a bunch of gfaqs nobodies lol


I could use Google to find info that the earth is flat.
That doesn't mean the earth is flat.

Terrible analogy. If you ask reasonable basic questions, the first result is pretty much always the correct answer. Hell, it's usually the wikipedia page


Please never get a job that requires research.

Lol. Doubt that's gonna be a problem.

I already have a job in the EE field. Your only job is making troll alts and playing steam games

Alt's? Omg here ya go again with paranoia fam. Guess when im workin it's not a job cause you're so masculine GOP supporter?
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McSame_as_Bush
07/18/18 8:13:34 PM
#136:


OhhhJa posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
OhhhJa posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
OhhhJa posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
He is not the "founder."

He's painting himself into a corner with inaccuracies, I think he's commenting on Donald Trump, ok?

Yes I'm going to trust Google over a bunch of gfaqs nobodies lol


I could use Google to find info that the earth is flat.
That doesn't mean the earth is flat.

Terrible analogy. If you ask reasonable basic questions, the first result is pretty much always the correct answer. Hell, it's usually the wikipedia page


Please never get a job that requires research.

I think you're mad that I'm right. Google is about as reliable as it gets for basic info that doesn't require research. Your skull is thicker than cardi b. You sound like one of those guys that's like "lol wikipedia isnt reliable!"

Obviously some subjects require more research than a simple google search. This isnt one of them


Google is a search engine. It doesn't have info. It shows you places that do. You are a moron.

You like Wikipedia, so here you go. He was born almost 50 years before Marx.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fourier?wprov=sfla1
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ifnsman
07/18/18 8:15:57 PM
#137:


OhhhJa posted...
It's funny to me when leftists try to pretend like socialism is so difficult to understand like it's some complicated idea that only a genius can fathom. Many people on the right understand the differences between communism and socialism.


Now you're making shit up for your own benefit.

Clearly, it IS difficult for the dear-leader right like you to understand what socialism is, because you all keep lumping it in together with communism AND pretend that Google is the be-all end-all answer to everything when deeper research gives better answers.
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OhhhJa
07/18/18 8:47:41 PM
#138:


McSame_as_Bush posted...
Google is a search engine. It doesn't have info. It shows you places that do

Holy shit! No fucking way! You have to be a moron not to grasp that when I say "results from google" that I dont mean "google is the database itself." Holy fuck you are thick skulled
McSame_as_Bush posted...
You like Wikipedia,

I find it to be useful.

McSame_as_Bush posted...
He was born almost 50 years before Marx.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fourier?wprov=sfla1

Thanks for linking me shit I've already read and has previously been discussed in this topic. It's already been established that Marx wasn't the first to lay down ideas for socialism. He was the first to establish a way that you could practically implement and was the first to really succeed with actually forming a socialist society and laying the ground work. Turns out just talking about forming one by means of a public forum wasn't enough to give you credit for "creating socialism" which was my point this entire time. Did I break through that neanderthal brain of yours yet?
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McSame_as_Bush
07/18/18 9:07:20 PM
#139:


OhhhJa posted...
McSame_as_Bush posted...
Google is a search engine. It doesn't have info. It shows you places that do

Holy shit! No fucking way! You have to be a moron not to grasp that when I say "results from google" that I dont mean "google is the database itself." Holy fuck you are thick skulled
McSame_as_Bush posted...
You like Wikipedia,

I find it to be useful.

McSame_as_Bush posted...
He was born almost 50 years before Marx.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Fourier?wprov=sfla1

Thanks for linking me shit I've already read and has previously been discussed in this topic. It's already been established that Marx wasn't the first to lay down ideas for socialism. He was the first to establish a way that you could practically implement and was the first to really succeed with actually forming a socialist society and laying the ground work. Turns out just talking about forming one by means of a public forum wasn't enough to give you credit for "creating socialism" which was my point this entire time. Did I break through that neanderthal brain of yours yet?


He didn't have a practical plan, he just theorized it was inevitable.

We can read your old posts by the way.

"Funny then that google says Karl Marx is the founder of socialism. I guess you know more than google

Sure, maybe he didn't coin the term but he is recognized as the founder."

Now:

"Marx wasn't the first to lay down ideas for socialism."

Glad to see you're correcting yourself, but it's still cringy.
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PuddingBoy
07/18/18 9:18:14 PM
#140:


OhhhJa and cringe? More likely than you think.
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Lobomoon
07/18/18 10:37:51 PM
#141:


I don't know, do you guys really trust CIA, FBA and such? I mean Trump is like a head trip to listen to 'cause he's only giving you, things you joke about with your friends Inside your living room. The only difference is he got the balls to say it in front of y'all, and he don't gotta be false or sugar coat it at all... He just gets on the mic and spit it, and whether you like to admit it...
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Moonjay
07/18/18 11:07:21 PM
#142:


Uhh nothing Trump says is something I joke about with my friends. Unless what he said itself is the joke.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
07/19/18 12:15:08 AM
#143:


PuddingBoy posted...
OhhhJa and cringe? More likely than you think.

He def makes me cringe.
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Gunsandredroses
07/19/18 12:29:09 AM
#144:


Hmmm. Would I rather have a president who hugs a Russian murderer or one who changes into lingerie for multiple middle-eastern murderers? Choices...
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Lobomoon
07/19/18 12:37:19 AM
#145:


And US presidents never murdered anyone?...
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darkknight109
07/19/18 1:53:13 AM
#146:


OhhhJa posted...
SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Why is the US at odds with Russia? It seems like the 2 countries would be excellent allies against the wave of religious extremists in that corner of the world. The US did the same with Saddam Hussein back in the day. The only problem with it was when a subsequent administration went after him for doing what he was put in power to do. Which in turn allowed the current situation to develop.

The left doesn't actually know.


Yeah, no clue whatsoever. Other than the fact that they illegally annexed Crimea. That's kind of a shit move. Or the fact that they invaded Eastern Ukraine and have continued to wage an insurrectionist campaign to destabilize the country. Oh yeah, and as part of that they kind of shot down a passenger jet and killed about 300 innocent civilians, before getting the missile launcher that did it right the fuck out of dodge and denying all responsibility. Which is, you know, bad.

Oh, and there was that time they invaded Georgia. Or the time they propped up a murderous dictator in Syria that's killed six figures of his own population. Well.. I say "the time", but that implies it isn't still going on. Or that thing a few months ago where they poisoned a couple of ex-spies on British soil and that same toxin just killed someone else. That's all pretty shitty, and probably not something that should be supported or accepted.

Hmm... what else, what else.... I think that's got most of it...

Oh yeah! There's that whole thing about them interfering in the last US presidential election (among others) and launching a sophisticated disinformation campaign to ferment discord amongst the voters, disrupt election infrastructure, push forward their own favoured candidates, and generally destabilize things. But, you know, what's a little digital warfare among friends, amirite? Clearly this whole thing is just water under the bridge, even though it's been going on practically nonstop for the past decade.
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ifnsman
07/19/18 6:47:13 AM
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Lobomoon posted...
And US presidents never murdered anyone?...


Doesn't suddenly mean Trump is qualified in any way to be president.

Though he did once say that he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and not lose any voters.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
07/19/18 11:59:58 PM
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Gunsandredroses posted...
Hmmm. Would I rather have a president who hugs a Russian murderer or one who changes into lingerie for multiple middle-eastern murderers? Choices...

Wtf are ya smokin?
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Entity13
07/20/18 2:45:18 AM
#149:


FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
Gunsandredroses posted...
Hmmm. Would I rather have a president who hugs a Russian murderer or one who changes into lingerie for multiple middle-eastern murderers? Choices...

Wtf are ya smokin?


Is it wrong that I just pictured either of the George Bushes in lingerie?
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gguirao
07/20/18 10:35:06 PM
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And yet, I doubt this will lead to his impeachment.
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