Current Events > Democrats should forbid Trump from choosing Kennedy's replacement

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HylianFox
06/27/18 2:15:56 PM
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Just like the GOP did Obama when Scalia died

But they won't, because the Dems are a bunch of spineless nitwits
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frozenshock
06/27/18 2:16:19 PM
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The senate rules were changed last year.
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Questionmarktarius
06/27/18 2:17:07 PM
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Hell, if they think it's viable to drag the process out a couple years and some change, why not?
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southcoast09
06/27/18 2:17:32 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
They absolutely should and better if theyre able to.

They cant.
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hortanz
06/27/18 2:18:07 PM
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They should but they won't
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DarthAragorn
06/27/18 2:18:21 PM
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no
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kingdrake2
06/27/18 2:18:37 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
no

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cjsdowg
06/27/18 2:21:28 PM
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They don't have the balls. They didn't have the balls to stand to the Republicans when they were blocking Obama.
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Antifar
06/27/18 2:22:08 PM
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They don't have the numbers, but I'm not convinced they would if they did
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Questionmarktarius
06/27/18 2:23:29 PM
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Antifar posted...
They don't have the numbers, but I'm not convinced they would if they did

They do have enough numbers to cock-block each and every nominee. That's how it used to be done.
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voldothegr8
06/27/18 2:25:09 PM
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Did we soon forget the nuclear option? They can't anymore.
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Southernfatman
06/27/18 2:27:11 PM
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Democrats woudn't if they could because they would want to "take the high road". A lot of Democratic politicians will still benefit financially from a conservative Supreme Court because a lot of them are as dirty as Republicans. Then they also get more talking points to convince people to vote for them. "Vote for us and maybe one day we will help turn things back around in the right direction".
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John_Galt
06/27/18 2:27:48 PM
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Not going to happen.

Deal with it.
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creativerealms
06/27/18 2:30:53 PM
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They wont, for one thing they won't have the "election year excuse" and second the Democrats are incompetent.
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J E S U S
06/27/18 2:31:36 PM
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Was it worth it to go all in on Hillary?
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DundiesAward
06/27/18 2:32:51 PM
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John_Galt posted...
Not going to happen.

Deal with it.

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UnholyMudcrab
06/27/18 2:33:36 PM
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It just blows my mind that there will never be any kind of ramifications for the Republicans ignoring Merrick Garland. They took a shit on their constitutional duties and are being rewarded for it more than they could have ever imagined.
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AlephZero
06/27/18 2:35:35 PM
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does everyone on CE have a middle school understanding of american government
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Darkman124
06/27/18 6:48:00 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
It just blows my mind that there will never be any kind of ramifications for the Republicans ignoring Merrick Garland. They took a shit on their constitutional duties and are being rewarded for it more than they could have ever imagined.

Right? Its so fucking pathetic that they got fucking rewarded for that.


blame the american people. most didn't vote at all.
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BLAKUboy
06/27/18 6:51:44 PM
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creativerealms posted...
They wont, for one thing they won't have the "election year excuse"

It is an election year, though.
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Ray_Dorset
06/27/18 6:53:32 PM
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There are other ways to regain a left-leaning majority on the court. There is no set limit on how many justices can be on the supreme court, so it's possible that a democratic president and senate could nominate and confirm additional justices.
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Tropicalwood
06/27/18 6:53:49 PM
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@UnholyMudcrab posted...
It just blows my mind that there will never be any kind of ramifications for the Republicans ignoring Merrick Garland. They took a shit on their constitutional duties and are being rewarded for it more than they could have ever imagined.

They have a duty to uphold the Constitution, which you and the rest of the Democrats refuse to do with all your repeal the second amendment talk and censorship. If the supreme court had been a democrat majority you know damn well they wouldn't acknowledge the right to bear.
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Ray_Dorset
06/27/18 6:54:45 PM
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Tropicalwood posted...
@UnholyMudcrab posted...
It just blows my mind that there will never be any kind of ramifications for the Republicans ignoring Merrick Garland. They took a shit on their constitutional duties and are being rewarded for it more than they could have ever imagined.

They have a duty to uphold the Constitution, which you and the rest of the Democrats refuse to do with all your repeal the second amendment talk and censorship.


Repealing the second amendment, that's a good one.
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Kazi1212
06/27/18 6:55:27 PM
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Judges, as opposed to almost all other political office, doesnt consistently vote based on partisan lines as much, theyre a bit more honorable and unbiased in doing their jobs, granted thats their job requirement. Lets hope thats true for whoever Trump nominates,its not like he would be beholden to Trump because judges have the job secured for life.
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UnholyMudcrab
06/27/18 7:03:01 PM
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Literally all this guy does is post conspiracy theories and vomit up irrelevant nonsense
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spudger
06/27/18 7:05:24 PM
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frozenshock posted...
The senate rules were changed last year.

convenient
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Tropicalwood
06/27/18 7:16:42 PM
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spudger posted...
frozenshock posted...
The senate rules were changed last year.

convenient

Chuck Schumer was going to nuke it like he did to the district judges anyways.
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foreverzero212
06/27/18 7:18:23 PM
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Democrats low key love everything Trump does and act like it's "taking the high road" when they don't block republican tactics, but it's actually called "taking the corporate bribes." Their sources of funding makes them appear spineless, but they're just actually ok with it. That's why the big networks attack Trump over saying naughty words instead of policy.

Both sides want the same thing, but with their own tribe in charge.
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Anteaterking
06/28/18 1:21:01 AM
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Kazi1212 posted...
Judges, as opposed to almost all other political office, doesnt consistently vote based on partisan lines as much, theyre a bit more honorable and unbiased in doing their jobs, granted thats their job requirement. Lets hope thats true for whoever Trump nominates,its not like he would be beholden to Trump because judges have the job secured for life.


I mean that's the idea, but when he gets his nominees from a list prepared by the Heritage Foundation, partisan lines are hard to ignore.
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BWLurker
06/28/18 1:21:10 AM
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GregShmedley posted...
spudger posted...
frozenshock posted...
The senate rules were changed last year.

convenient


What Senate rules?

They nuked the filibuster
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SideshowBob311
06/28/18 1:22:57 AM
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This is the fourth or fifth time I've heard this today, and I still don't understand it. How do people expect congressional democrats to "forbid" anything? They're a minority in both houses. Unless they're going to filibuster for 8 months straight, there's not a damn thing they can do.
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BWLurker
06/28/18 1:26:09 AM
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Anteaterking posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Judges, as opposed to almost all other political office, doesnt consistently vote based on partisan lines as much, theyre a bit more honorable and unbiased in doing their jobs, granted thats their job requirement. Lets hope thats true for whoever Trump nominates,its not like he would be beholden to Trump because judges have the job secured for life.


I mean that's the idea, but when he gets his nominees from a list prepared by the Heritage Foundation, partisan lines are hard to ignore.

The leading candidate Hardiman, actually seems like a reasonable pick. He's relatively conservative, but not a religious nut or a whackjob like Pryor. He's a much, much better pick than Gorsuch.
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Darkman124
06/28/18 8:13:53 AM
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GregShmedley posted...

But that was changed in 2013 by Democrats.


only for district judges. it was then changed in 2017 by republicans for the supreme court and all other nominations.

and in 2020, democrats will probably finish the process and change it for all laws so we can start the process of each new administration undoing everything every previous administration did

trump has been chanting for the sitting GOP senate to do so, but they've resisted. they might not if they hold control in the election this fall
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Howl
06/28/18 8:23:27 AM
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Ray_Dorset posted...
There are other ways to regain a left-leaning majority on the court. There is no set limit on how many justices can be on the supreme court, so it's possible that a democratic president and senate could nominate and confirm additional justices.


This post is objectively false. Congress has to decide a set number of justices by law, and they decided on 9 in 1937. They would have to change that law to increase the number.
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Aloner
06/28/18 8:48:37 AM
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The ignorance ITT shows how we got into this mess. Everyone's got an opinion but barely anyone's informed.
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Darkman124
06/28/18 10:42:36 AM
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GregShmedley posted...
No, it was for all executive nominations, minus SC judges. The 2017 rule change eliminated the SC being the exception.


appreciate the correction. know that i was aware dems had changed part of the rules. had forgotten it was also for all other executive nominations.

trend remains towards a full removal of the filibuster next time the dems take congress. it's a good setup, too, because then the ping-pong "we invalidate everything you did!" practice can be blamed on democrats.
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Antifar
06/28/18 11:13:57 AM
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Darkman124 posted...
trend remains towards a full removal of the filibuster next time the dems take congress.


Chuck Schumer says otherwise

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/schumer-is-secretly-sabotaging-the-next-democratic-president.html
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Darkman124
06/28/18 11:17:03 AM
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Antifar posted...
Darkman124 posted...
trend remains towards a full removal of the filibuster next time the dems take congress.


Chuck Schumer says otherwise

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/schumer-is-secretly-sabotaging-the-next-democratic-president.html


he can say what he wants, the voters will be screaming for blood and he'll get primaried if he doesn't

it's not like McConnell hasn't made deals and then immediately broken them after getting what he wanted. this would be no different
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Antifar
06/28/18 11:17:49 AM
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Schumer isn't up for re-election until 2022
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Coffeebeanz
06/28/18 11:18:14 AM
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Republicans did it for half a year

Democrats would have to do it for two and a half years
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Balrog0
06/28/18 11:19:52 AM
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Antifar posted...
Schumer isn't up for re-election until 2022


the dems won't take the senate until 2020 at the very earliest so that actually works
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Darkman124
06/28/18 11:20:21 AM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Republicans did it for half a year

Democrats would have to do it for two and a half years


assuming they can somehow keep it from happening before they take office in jan, and assuming they get 51 seats, it's not exactly a problem

the problem is getting the 51 seats

Antifar posted...
Schumer isn't up for re-election until 2022


i expect he's doing what is best for the party right now, and might do something entirely different in 2019. at this point i assume any promises being made are lies intended to screw anyone who is fronting their part of the deal this year
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SideshowBob311
06/28/18 12:30:59 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Republicans did it for half a year

Democrats would have to do it for two and a half years


They would have to literally filibuster for 8 months. While it's technically POSSIBLE, it would also grind the government to a halt, and earn them so much animosity it would be political suicide.
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