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red sox 777
06/21/18 8:42:52 PM
#401:


Kenri posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...
I guess what specific examples have you found of him that you believe to be pandering only to get votes? I'm not saying your wrong, it jus never struck me as true (or more true than in regards to other politicians) for Doug Jones.

I'm not exactly disparaging him, just to clarify. But the whole article came off to me as disingenuous, often intellectually dishonest, pandering, since he has to try to appeal to so many groups with different, often opposed, interests. I'm not sure how else you maintain a coalition like that, but at least be a little self-aware, ya know?


He doesn't have to see it as pandering. If he believes in the positions he takes, and he thinks there is broad support for those positions, then he wouldn't think of himself as pandering. If he believed that his voters were deeply divided into different camps, then he wouldn't be able to appeal to different camps without being dishonest, but then, I suspect, he wouldn't have won his election either, even against Roy Moore.
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Kenri
06/21/18 8:54:17 PM
#402:


Maaaybe, but nothing in the article suggests any of that to me. Quite the opposite. *shrug*
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Forceful_Dragon
06/21/18 9:25:04 PM
#403:


To me the article talks about him going into different areas and expressing his positions and what can be done to help, to the point of promoting things like ACA to crowds that are not supportive of it.

That doesn't sound like pandering to me :/
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HaRRicH
06/21/18 11:59:07 PM
#404:


Doug Jones obviously benefitted from Roy Moore's scandal. I'll read the rest another day, but he's wrong on that.
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LordoftheMorons
06/22/18 12:46:13 AM
#405:


I think he's right that the pedophilia stuff did tribalize the race to an extent, likely offsetting some of the impact (since Moore got to run on the "fake news is out to get me!" line). I think he's wrong that it was a bigger effect than the pedophilia itself, though.
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LordoftheMorons
06/22/18 12:53:39 PM
#406:


The Supreme Court held 5-4 that cell phone location tracking data is protected by the 4th Amendment:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/supreme-court-warrant-fourth-amendment
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Jakyl25
06/22/18 1:18:36 PM
#407:


Thats probably for the best
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Suprak the Stud
06/22/18 1:30:56 PM
#408:


Some weird groupings in the last two Supreme Court rulings.
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Jakyl25
06/22/18 1:37:40 PM
#409:


It is kind of hilarious that the ideologies are to the point now where the liberal judges vote for smaller government
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Kenri
06/22/18 1:41:18 PM
#410:


Jakyl25 posted...
It is kind of hilarious that the ideologies are to the point now where the liberal judges vote for smaller government

tbh I've felt like it's been this way for over a decade. The Republican small government thing always felt like a joke to me. But idk.
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LordoftheMorons
06/22/18 1:44:04 PM
#411:


Many conservatives are small government in that they want to reduce taxes and spending. Many of them are totally fine with big governement from a civil liberties perspective (and vice versa for liberals).
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HaRRicH
06/22/18 2:32:02 PM
#412:


6/22/2018
TWITTER - Donald Trump (President)

Republicans should stop wasting their time on Immigration until after we elect more Senators and Congressmen/women in November. Dems are just playing games, have no intention of doing anything to solves this decades old problem. We can pass great legislation after the Red Wave!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1010116816998490113?s=19


BUILD THAT WALL STARTING AT LEAST SEVEN MONTHS FROM NOW
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HaRRicH
06/22/18 2:36:42 PM
#413:


6/21/2018
TWITTER - Contemptor (analysis and criticism of media, pop culture, and politics)

Fox News' Rachel Campos-Duffy: "I spoke to some African-Americans who say, 'Gosh, the conditions of the detention centers are better than some of the projects that I grew up in.'"

*VIDEO OF CLIP*

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheContemptor/status/1009995576241545217

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Kenri
06/22/18 2:53:04 PM
#414:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Many conservatives are small government in that they want to reduce taxes and spending.

This is the part that I haven't seen much of (from federally elected conservatives, at least).
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GuessMyUserName
06/22/18 2:59:45 PM
#415:


Conservatives don't wanna reduce spending, they just want it redirected away from poor people.
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Suprak the Stud
06/22/18 3:19:50 PM
#416:


HaRRicH posted...
6/21/2018
TWITTER - Contemptor (analysis and criticism of media, pop culture, and politics)

Fox News' Rachel Campos-Duffy: "I spoke to some African-Americans who say, 'Gosh, the conditions of the detention centers are better than some of the projects that I grew up in.'"

*VIDEO OF CLIP*

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheContemptor/status/1009995576241545217


Wow.

A take so hot it could light a cross.
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Peace___Frog
06/22/18 3:23:00 PM
#417:


GuessMyUserName posted...
Conservatives don't wanna reduce spending, they just want it redirected away from poor people.

Pretty much
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GuessMyUserName
06/22/18 3:41:09 PM
#418:


https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1010233456293531648

okay how the fucking hell is "those kids we're detaining will grow up to murder us" a fucking usable defense

even by trump this is completely fucking disgusting
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Xeybozn
06/22/18 3:48:04 PM
#419:


Peace___Frog posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...
Conservatives don't wanna reduce spending, they just want it redirected away from poor people.

Pretty much

In fairness, if it weren't for those awful liberals they'd just want to redirect spending away from brown people. But the liberals just had to make racism unacceptable and ruin everything for poor whites.
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Jakyl25
06/22/18 4:41:15 PM
#420:


GuessMyUserName posted...
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1010233456293531648

okay how the fucking hell is "those kids we're detaining will grow up to murder us" a fucking usable defense

even by trump this is completely fucking disgusting


The other side of illegal immigration being families who are victims of murders by illegal immigrants is such a vile framing of the issue, doing a huge disservice to those families as well as the people trying to come here.
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Jakyl25
06/22/18 4:43:16 PM
#421:


Like, he cant help but think about it as Us vs Them.

Other politicians might craft it that way for political capital even if they know better, but its pretty clear that Trump is incapable of knowing better.
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Leafeon13N
06/22/18 4:48:48 PM
#422:


Nothing rallies people to a cause more than fear and division. Its all part of the plan.
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Jakyl25
06/22/18 4:50:19 PM
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red sox 777
06/22/18 5:55:31 PM
#424:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Many conservatives are small government in that they want to reduce taxes and spending. Many of them are totally fine with big governement from a civil liberties perspective (and vice versa for liberals).


Reduce taxes yes, spending, no. They've done nothing but increase spending unless the Democrats are in power.
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Leafeon13N
06/22/18 5:59:01 PM
#425:


Republicans haven't in practice been small government for like 14 years.
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Maniac64
06/22/18 6:08:43 PM
#426:


HaRRicH posted...
6/21/2018
TWITTER - Contemptor (analysis and criticism of media, pop culture, and politics)

Fox News' Rachel Campos-Duffy: "I spoke to some African-Americans who say, 'Gosh, the conditions of the detention centers are better than some of the projects that I grew up in.'"

*VIDEO OF CLIP*

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheContemptor/status/1009995576241545217

So Fox thinks we should pump money into improving the inner city?
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Eddv
06/22/18 6:10:39 PM
#427:


GuessMyUserName posted...
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1010233456293531648

okay how the fucking hell is "those kids we're detaining will grow up to murder us" a fucking usable defense

even by trump this is completely fucking disgusting


This is the literal basis on which his campaign was started.

How is anyone surprised at this.
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red sox 777
06/22/18 6:20:10 PM
#428:


Maniac64 posted...
HaRRicH posted...
6/21/2018
TWITTER - Contemptor (analysis and criticism of media, pop culture, and politics)

Fox News' Rachel Campos-Duffy: "I spoke to some African-Americans who say, 'Gosh, the conditions of the detention centers are better than some of the projects that I grew up in.'"

*VIDEO OF CLIP*

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheContemptor/status/1009995576241545217

So Fox thinks we should pump money into improving the inner city?


I think they would rather cut funding to force everyone to move out of inner cities. On the assumption that people will have somewhere else to go.
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Jakyl25
06/22/18 6:24:22 PM
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Jakyl25
06/22/18 6:27:05 PM
#430:


Also that fucking lower third quote.

What a real bad person
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Corrik
06/22/18 6:29:44 PM
#431:


Xeybozn posted...
Peace___Frog posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...
Conservatives don't wanna reduce spending, they just want it redirected away from poor people.

Pretty much

In fairness, if it weren't for those awful liberals they'd just want to redirect spending away from brown people. But the liberals just had to make racism unacceptable and ruin everything for poor whites.

LMFAO
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Eddv
06/22/18 6:39:05 PM
#432:


https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1010241111938535436?s=19

I stull legitimately get upset about this every time he says it.

I guess I just know too many actual hispanics.
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Suprak the Stud
06/22/18 6:44:09 PM
#433:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1010265100375207936?s=21

Trump yet again citing made up racist murder stats.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/06/22/

(space)

the-original-source-for-trumps-claim-of-63000

(space)

-immigrant-murders-bad-data-from-steve-king-in-2005/

And the source of this number appears to come from noted intellectual and rational person Steve King. It is so surprising he would get something like that wrong.
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Jakyl25
06/22/18 7:08:25 PM
#434:


Eddv posted...
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1010241111938535436?s=19

I stull legitimately get upset about this every time he says it.

I guess I just know too many actual hispanics.


It also literally makes 0 sense.

A country using the United States visa lottery to get rid of their undesirable people is one of the least efficient processes Ive ever heard of.
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Jakyl25
06/22/18 7:13:05 PM
#435:


Suprak the Stud posted...

And the source of this number appears to come from noted intellectual and rational person Steve King.


https://twitter.com/letsgomathias/status/1010211124090998792?s=21

This week Rep. @SteveKingIA said he doesnt want Muslims working at meatpacking plants. Last week he promoted a Nazi on Twitter. He still hasnt deleted that tweet. Hasnt apologized. No one is calling for him to resign.


Steve King is for sure a real problem, and he has been a problem far longer than Trump
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CelesMyUserName
06/22/18 7:25:06 PM
#436:


Eddv posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1010233456293531648

okay how the fucking hell is "those kids we're detaining will grow up to murder us" a fucking usable defense

even by trump this is completely fucking disgusting


This is the literal basis on which his campaign was started.

How is anyone surprised at this.

to be fair this is the first time using it as a direct response to jailing babies
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Suprak the Stud
06/22/18 7:44:06 PM
#437:


Jakyl25 posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...

And the source of this number appears to come from noted intellectual and rational person Steve King.


https://twitter.com/letsgomathias/status/1010211124090998792?s=21

This week Rep. @SteveKingIA said he doesnt want Muslims working at meatpacking plants. Last week he promoted a Nazi on Twitter. He still hasnt deleted that tweet. Hasnt apologized. No one is calling for him to resign.


Steve King is for sure a real problem, and he has been a problem far longer than Trump


I think you know I was being sarcastic, but just in case I want to emphasize that I know Steve King is a horrendous individual and was the voice for white nationalism in the GOP long before Trump came along.
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Jakyl25
06/22/18 7:51:13 PM
#438:


Oh yeah, I thought it might come across like I didnt get that you were sarcastic so I added the for sure.
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Jakyl25
06/22/18 8:01:55 PM
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Jakyl25
06/22/18 9:44:15 PM
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Eddv
06/22/18 9:50:09 PM
#441:


What a wild ride George Will has been on since 2016
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Jakyl25
06/22/18 9:50:15 PM
#442:


Also I love the phrase Vesuvius of mendacities for Trump
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red sox 777
06/22/18 9:56:52 PM
#443:


Sounds like he doesn't understand the Republican project. Congressional Republicans are not submitting to the President because they are weak, but because they are getting exactly what they want. Paul Ryan's primary mission was tax cuts, and he got them.
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Jakyl25
06/22/18 10:03:36 PM
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Eddv
06/22/18 10:06:57 PM
#445:


We have always been at war with Eurasia
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06/22/18 10:17:25 PM
#446:


https://twitter.com/marshallcohen/status/1010226660036239360?s=21

Mueller's team has informed the court that it is adding four additional lawyers to its case against the Russian troll farm, according to new filings today. The case is in pretrial discovery phase, but things are heating up.


Muellers coming for you, Vlado
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xp1337
06/22/18 10:20:38 PM
#447:


Nah. The sign for that is when he hires Reggie.
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Jakyl25
06/22/18 10:25:01 PM
#448:


Vlado loves Nintendo the most now because they dont pander to SJWs.

No lie
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LordoftheMorons
06/22/18 10:25:37 PM
#449:


red sox 777 posted...
Sounds like he doesn't understand the Republican project. Congressional Republicans are not submitting to the President because they are weak, but because they are getting exactly what they want. Paul Ryan's primary mission was tax cuts, and he got them.

At a minimum most elected Republicans dont want Trumps tariffs and are doing jack shit about them because of fear
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xp1337
06/22/18 10:26:23 PM
#450:


oh wow i am way behind on my lore i guess
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