Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 181: We Are Seeking (An) Asylum

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Jakyl25 06/17/18 8:13:45 PM #1:	Home of the people insane enough to talk to Red Sox --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:903460912] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>Home of the people insane enough to talk to Red Sox</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 06/17/18 8:27:08 PM #2:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Why do Conservatives so often (yes, it's a generalization, but I've literally never heard this from a person the Left) conflate the law with morality? Laws can be written based on morals, but laws are not inherently moral, and thus breaking them is not immoral. Now if you do something immoral, like murder or steal, then you are being immoral, AND breaking the law. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:903461798] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do Conservatives so often (yes, it's a generalization, but I've literally never heard this from a person the Left) conflate the law with morality? Laws can be written based on morals, but laws are not inherently moral, and thus breaking them is not immoral. Now if you do something immoral, like murder or steal, then you are being immoral, AND breaking the law.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 06/17/18 8:32:09 PM #3:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... Why do Conservatives so often (yes, it's a generalization, but I've literally never heard this from a person the Left) conflate the law with morality? Laws can be written based on morals, but laws are not inherently moral, and thus breaking them is not immoral. Now if you do something immoral, like murder or steal, then you are being immoral, AND breaking the law. Personally, I think it's a copout. The reason I equated SHS to Corrik in the last topic is because they constantly avoid taking moral stances on anything by saying "well it doesn't matter what I think because it's illegal". They do this rather than have the guts to admit that they hold unconscionable beliefs that they won't dare vocalize outright. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:903462101] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do Conservatives so often (yes, it's a generalization, but I've literally never heard this from a person the Left) conflate the law with morality? Laws can be written based on morals, but laws are not inherently moral, and thus breaking them is not immoral. Now if you do something immoral, like murder or steal, then you are being immoral, AND breaking the law.</quote></quote> Personally, I think it's a copout. The reason I equated SHS to Corrik in the last topic is because they constantly avoid taking moral stances on anything by saying "well it doesn't matter what I think because it's illegal". They do this rather than have the guts to admit that they hold unconscionable beliefs that they won't dare vocalize outright.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 06/17/18 8:39:40 PM #4:	Would be nice if Republicans would go ahead and use the nuclear option in the Senate. Then there'll be no more excuses or blaming Democrats for inaction. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:903462599] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>Would be nice if Republicans would go ahead and use the nuclear option in the Senate. Then there'll be no more excuses or blaming Democrats for inaction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 06/17/18 8:39:44 PM #5:	I think that's a fair assessment --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:903462607] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>I think that's a fair assessment</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 06/17/18 8:50:59 PM #6:	red sox 777 posted... Would be nice if Republicans would go ahead and use the nuclear option in the Senate. Then there'll be no more excuses or blaming Democrats for inaction. Or they could try and do it the way they're supposed to, in which case the Democrats will support it because the alternative is getting destroyed for willfully allowing it to happen. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:903463463] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Would be nice if Republicans would go ahead and use the nuclear option in the Senate. Then there'll be no more excuses or blaming Democrats for inaction.</quote> Or they could try and do it the way they're supposed to, in which case the Democrats will support it because the alternative is getting destroyed for willfully allowing it to happen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 06/17/18 8:56:19 PM #7:	red sox 777 posted... Would be nice if Republicans would go ahead and use the nuclear option in the Senate. Then there'll be no more excuses or blaming Democrats for inaction. That's exactly why they'll never do it, though. Hatred for liberals is probably the most popular part of the GOP platform these days. --- Congrats to 2017 Guru champ BKSheikah! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:903463848] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Would be nice if Republicans would go ahead and use the nuclear option in the Senate. Then there'll be no more excuses or blaming Democrats for inaction.</quote> That's exactly why they'll never do it, though. Hatred for liberals is probably the most popular part of the GOP platform these days.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 06/17/18 10:35:23 PM #8:	Are we all ready for the infuriating spin that's going to come out over the efforts to "solve" this legislatively? Democrats have a bill to end this that has 48/49 of them onboard. 0 Republicans. But instead of a clean bill to end this it'll be used by Republicans as a bargaining chip to try and get other policies through. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:903470306] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>Are we all ready for the infuriating spin that's going to come out over the efforts to "solve" this legislatively? Democrats have a bill to end this that has 48/49 of them onboard. 0 Republicans. But instead of a clean bill to end this it'll be used by Republicans as a bargaining chip to try and get other policies through.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 06/17/18 11:45:25 PM #9:	xp1337 posted... Are we all ready for the infuriating spin that's going to come out over the efforts to "solve" this legislatively? Democrats have a bill to end this that has 48/49 of them onboard. 0 Republicans. But instead of a clean bill to end this it'll be used by Republicans as a bargaining chip to try and get other policies through. Link? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:903474581] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>Are we all ready for the infuriating spin that's going to come out over the efforts to "solve" this legislatively? Democrats have a bill to end this that has 48/49 of them onboard. 0 Republicans. But instead of a clean bill to end this it'll be used by Republicans as a bargaining chip to try and get other policies through.</quote> Link?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 06/18/18 11:56:58 AM #10:	https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1008683701708906498?s=21 No, these aren't cages, @SteveDoocy says. The authorities simply "built walls out of chain-link fences." Yes, that's a real quote from Fox just now. Thanks for clearing that up, Fox & Friends Maybe Trump will say this line now. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:903497801] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1008683701708906498?s=21 <quote>No, these aren't cages, @SteveDoocy says. The authorities simply "built walls out of chain-link fences." Yes, that's a real quote from Fox just now.</quote> Thanks for clearing that up, Fox & Friends Maybe Trump will say this line now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 06/18/18 12:00:05 PM #11:	https://twitter.com/cbsthismorning/status/1008695502379077637?s=21 This just in from @davidbegnaud: Border Patrol has reached out to @cbsthismorning and said they are "very uncomfortable" with the use of the word cages. They say it's not inaccurate and added that they may be cages but people are not being treated like animals. Please dont be accurate --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:903497988] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/cbsthismorning/status/1008695502379077637?s=21 <quote>This just in from @davidbegnaud: Border Patrol has reached out to @cbsthismorning and said they are "very uncomfortable" with the use of the word cages. They say it's not inaccurate and added that they may be cages but people are not being treated like animals.</quote> Please dont be accurate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ashethan 06/18/18 12:02:45 PM #12:	Border Patrol: "We're not comfortable with calling a cage a cage. Children locked in cages: "Yeah, well we're not so comfortable being in a FUCKING CAGE EITHER" --- Growing up, I wish some teacher told me "You probably won't ever need this, but if you don't learn it, you might miss out on something really cool." <cite>Ashethan posted [p:903498130] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>Border Patrol: "We're not comfortable with calling a cage a cage. Children locked in cages: "Yeah, well we're not so comfortable being in a FUCKING CAGE EITHER"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 06/18/18 12:28:14 PM #13:	They're pens, not cages! That totally makes it better! --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:903499658] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>They're pens, not cages! That totally makes it better!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 06/18/18 12:59:55 PM #14:	Wow, Trump dropping, "separate but equal" in the announcement of the Space Force. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:903501527] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>Wow, Trump dropping, "separate but equal" in the announcement of the Space Force.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 06/18/18 1:30:10 PM #15:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... xp1337 posted... Are we all ready for the infuriating spin that's going to come out over the efforts to "solve" this legislatively? Democrats have a bill to end this that has 48/49 of them onboard. 0 Republicans. But instead of a clean bill to end this it'll be used by Republicans as a bargaining chip to try and get other policies through. Link? Ah, sorry, made that post when I was in a pretty poor state of mind and wasn't back until now. It's mentioned at the end of this article, albeit not in-depth because it analyzes what is likely to happen in Congress this week and the Democrats are powerless here, but: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/06/18/whats-happening-on-immigration-in-congress-this-week-a-day-by-day-guide However, I should note that since I made that post, Manchin - who was the last Dem Senator not in support - declared his support for it. So now it's all 49 of the Dems (and King and Sanders). 0 Republicans. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:903503363] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>Are we all ready for the infuriating spin that's going to come out over the efforts to "solve" this legislatively? Democrats have a bill to end this that has 48/49 of them onboard. 0 Republicans. But instead of a clean bill to end this it'll be used by Republicans as a bargaining chip to try and get other policies through.</quote> Link?</quote> Ah, sorry, made that post when I was in a pretty poor state of mind and wasn't back until now. It's mentioned at the end of this article, albeit not in-depth because it analyzes what is likely to happen in Congress this week and the Democrats are powerless here, but: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/06/18/whats-happening-on-immigration-in-congress-this-week-a-day-by-day-guide However, I should note that since I made that post, Manchin - who was the last Dem Senator not in support - declared his support for it. So now it's all 49 of the Dems (and King and Sanders). 0 Republicans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 06/18/18 2:01:10 PM #16:	https://twitter.com/AP/status/1008749585735569409 ...................................... ......................................................................... --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:903505241] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/AP/status/1008749585735569409 ...................................... .........................................................................</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 06/18/18 2:28:11 PM #17:	GuessMyUserName posted... https://twitter.com/AP/status/1008749585735569409 ...................................... ......................................................................... I'm not opposed to the idea. I do think we're probably a few decades off from a space force being relevant, I worry about how much money will be dumped into a paper tiger, and I definitely think there are more pressing issues, however. --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:903506976] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/AP/status/1008749585735569409 ...................................... .........................................................................</quote> I'm not opposed to the idea. I do think we're probably a few decades off from a space force being relevant, I worry about how much money will be dumped into a paper tiger, and I definitely think there are more pressing issues, however.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 06/18/18 2:38:15 PM #18:	no fuck you trump you stupid piece of shit dont weaponize space you abhorrency --- Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination. <cite>NFUN posted [p:903507641] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>no fuck you trump you stupid piece of shit dont weaponize space you abhorrency</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 06/18/18 2:43:06 PM #19:	how else will we defend against the threat of zerg infestation and krogan aggression --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:903507950] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>how else will we defend against the threat of zerg infestation and krogan aggression</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 06/18/18 2:45:51 PM #20:	I thought he said this last year too --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:903508109] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>I thought he said this last year too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 06/18/18 2:46:53 PM #21:	He definitely did bring up the creation of a Space Force before, but I don't think it was that long ago. I thought it was some time this year. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:903508172] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>He definitely did bring up the creation of a Space Force before, but I don't think it was that long ago. I thought it was some time this year.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 06/18/18 2:48:23 PM #22:	Jakyl25 posted... I thought he said this last year too he brought it up a couple months ago I think it was, like "we've got an Air Force, we got the Navy, how a Space Force? You like that eh? SPACE FORCE" and now it seems he's really serious about it because of the illegal aliens you must defend against of course --- https://imgtc.com/i/1LkkaGU.jpg something something hung something horse something <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:903508264] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>I thought he said this last year too</quote> he brought it up a couple months ago I think it was, like "we've got an Air Force, we got the Navy, how a Space Force? You like that eh? SPACE FORCE" and now it seems he's really serious about it because of the illegal aliens you must defend against of course</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 06/18/18 2:48:27 PM #23:	Jakyl25 posted... I thought he said this last year too he did and i said the same thing --- Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination. <cite>NFUN posted [p:903508268] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>I thought he said this last year too</quote> he did and i said the same thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 06/18/18 2:49:54 PM #24:	it was this March --- https://imgtc.com/i/1LkkaGU.jpg something something hung something horse something <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:903508382] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>it was this March</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 06/18/18 3:01:21 PM #25:	He heard Solo bombed and misunderstood it to think Han Solo is gonna bomb us --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:903509165] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>He heard Solo bombed and misunderstood it to think Han Solo is gonna bomb us</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 06/18/18 3:02:22 PM #26:	Jakyl25 posted... He heard Solo bombed and misunderstood it to think Han Solo is gonna bomb us When discovered just HOW Han ran the Kessel Run, he knew we needed to train a new generation of pilots to overtake the benchmark. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:903509224] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>He heard Solo bombed and misunderstood it to think Han Solo is gonna bomb us</quote> When discovered just HOW Han ran the Kessel Run, he knew we needed to train a new generation of pilots to overtake the benchmark.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 06/18/18 3:49:02 PM #27:	Jakyl25 posted... He heard Solo bombed and misunderstood it to think Han Solo is gonna bomb us Umm --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:903512360] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>He heard Solo bombed and misunderstood it to think Han Solo is gonna bomb us</quote> Umm</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 06/18/18 3:49:41 PM #28:	.... I'd be down for a zerg infestation as long as i get to see one in person --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:903512395] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>.... I'd be down for a zerg infestation as long as i get to see one in person</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 06/18/18 3:54:04 PM #29:	Space is already covered by the Air Force, this is so stupid. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:903512692] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>Space is already covered by the Air Force, this is so stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 06/18/18 4:05:04 PM #30:	https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1008696508697513985?s=21 The people of Germany are turning against their leadership as migration is rocking the already tenuous Berlin coalition. Crime in Germany is way up. Big mistake made all over Europe in allowing millions of people in who have so strongly and violently changed their culture! https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/politics/german-crime-rate-trump-immigration/index.html But data from the German government suggests Trump's hypothesis on crime is incorrect. Statistics from the Federal Ministry of the Interior show that 2017 saw the lowest number of crimes committed in Germany since 1992. The number of non-German suspects dropped almost 23% from 2016 to 2017. Never seen Trump say anything racist! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:903513335] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1008696508697513985?s=21 <quote>The people of Germany are turning against their leadership as migration is rocking the already tenuous Berlin coalition. Crime in Germany is way up. Big mistake made all over Europe in allowing millions of people in who have so strongly and violently changed their culture!</quote> https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/politics/german-crime-rate-trump-immigration/index.html <quote>But data from the German government suggests Trump's hypothesis on crime is incorrect. Statistics from the Federal Ministry of the Interior show that 2017 saw the lowest number of crimes committed in Germany since 1992. The number of non-German suspects dropped almost 23% from 2016 to 2017.</quote> Never seen Trump say anything racist!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 06/18/18 4:10:17 PM #31:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Space is already covered by the Air Force, this is so stupid. It's literally in their mission statement The mission of the United States Air Force is to fly, fight and winin air, space and cyberspace. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:903513640] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Space is already covered by the Air Force, this is so stupid.</quote> It's literally in their mission statement <quote> The mission of the United States Air Force is to fly, fight and winin air, space and cyberspace. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 06/18/18 4:10:55 PM #32:	https://twitter.com/ericuman/status/1008800749298610176?s=19 We've just published secretly recorded audio from inside a govt facility where children are being separated from their parents. You can hear them screaming. https://t.co/cEUspwzJR2 --- https://i.imgur.com/WuDQzsc_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:903513681] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ericuman/status/1008800749298610176?s=19 <quote>We've just published secretly recorded audio from inside a govt facility where children are being separated from their parents. You can hear them screaming. https://t.co/cEUspwzJR2</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 06/18/18 4:13:47 PM #33:	Well those kids should have known that this would be a consequence of their crime --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:903513849] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>Well those kids should have known that this would be a consequence of their crime</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 06/18/18 4:25:16 PM #34:	Well, as if I hadn't been frustrated, upset, and depressed enough at this story. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:903514540] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>Well, as if I hadn't been frustrated, upset, and depressed enough at this story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 06/18/18 4:29:18 PM #35:	Jakyl25 posted... https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1008696508697513985?s=21 The people of Germany are turning against their leadership as migration is rocking the already tenuous Berlin coalition. Crime in Germany is way up. Big mistake made all over Europe in allowing millions of people in who have so strongly and violently changed their culture! https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/politics/german-crime-rate-trump-immigration/index.html But data from the German government suggests Trump's hypothesis on crime is incorrect. Statistics from the Federal Ministry of the Interior show that 2017 saw the lowest number of crimes committed in Germany since 1992. The number of non-German suspects dropped almost 23% from 2016 to 2017. Never seen Trump say anything racist! The German government is currently is something of a crisis, with the CDU and CSU talking about splitting, which would force new elections, over the migration issue, so Trump's not wrong that there is a lot of anger in Germany over the government policies on migration. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:903514812] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1008696508697513985?s=21 <quote>The people of Germany are turning against their leadership as migration is rocking the already tenuous Berlin coalition. Crime in Germany is way up. Big mistake made all over Europe in allowing millions of people in who have so strongly and violently changed their culture!</quote> https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/politics/german-crime-rate-trump-immigration/index.html <quote>But data from the German government suggests Trump's hypothesis on crime is incorrect. Statistics from the Federal Ministry of the Interior show that 2017 saw the lowest number of crimes committed in Germany since 1992. The number of non-German suspects dropped almost 23% from 2016 to 2017.</quote> Never seen Trump say anything racist!</quote> The German government is currently is something of a crisis, with the CDU and CSU talking about splitting, which would force new elections, over the migration issue, so Trump's not wrong that there is a lot of anger in Germany over the government policies on migration.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 06/18/18 4:31:53 PM #36:	red sox 777 posted... The German government is currently is something of a crisis, with the CDU and CSU talking about splitting, which would force new elections, over the migration issue, so Trump's not wrong that there is a lot of anger in Germany over the government policies on migration. Before anyone gets into this discussion, I think it'd help your image a lot if you were willing to condemn Trump over the crime rate lie first. --- JeffRaze, for all your random spellcasting needs <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:903514970] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote> The German government is currently is something of a crisis, with the CDU and CSU talking about splitting, which would force new elections, over the migration issue, so Trump's not wrong that there is a lot of anger in Germany over the government policies on migration.</quote> Before anyone gets into this discussion, I think it'd help your image a lot if you were willing to condemn Trump over the crime rate lie first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
charmander6000 06/18/18 4:32:04 PM #37:	FFDragon posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... Space is already covered by the Air Force, this is so stupid. It's literally in their mission statement The mission of the United States Air Force is to fly, fight and winin air, space and cyberspace. Why is cyberspace under the jurisdiction of the air force? --- Congratulations to BKSheikah for winning the guru <cite>charmander6000 posted [p:903514983] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Space is already covered by the Air Force, this is so stupid.</quote> It's literally in their mission statement <quote> The mission of the United States Air Force is to fly, fight and winin air, space and cyberspace. </quote></quote> Why is cyberspace under the jurisdiction of the air force?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 06/18/18 4:33:45 PM #38:	charmander6000 posted... FFDragon posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... Space is already covered by the Air Force, this is so stupid. It's literally in their mission statement The mission of the United States Air Force is to fly, fight and winin air, space and cyberspace. Why is cyberspace under the jurisdiction of the air force? WiFi goes through THE AIR --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:903515097] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>charmander6000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Space is already covered by the Air Force, this is so stupid.</quote> It's literally in their mission statement <quote> The mission of the United States Air Force is to fly, fight and winin air, space and cyberspace. </quote></quote> Why is cyberspace under the jurisdiction of the air force?</quote> WiFi goes through THE AIR</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 06/18/18 4:34:23 PM #39:	red sox 777 posted... Trump's not wrong that there is a lot of anger in Germany over the government policies on migration. it's one thing to say that there's a lot of anger, it's another to say it's "strongly and violently changed the culture." total bullshit as far as my country goes and i'd be surprised if it applies to germany either. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:903515133] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump's not wrong that there is a lot of anger in Germany over the government policies on migration.</quote> it's one thing to say that there's a lot of anger, it's another to say it's "strongly and violently changed the culture." total bullshit as far as my country goes and i'd be surprised if it applies to germany either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 06/18/18 4:39:14 PM #40:	Feels like these children stories dont matter much because the far right is so afraid of brown people the story is completely dehumanized to them. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:903515431] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>Feels like these children stories dont matter much because the far right is so afraid of brown people the story is completely dehumanized to them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 06/18/18 4:39:50 PM #41:	JeffreyRaze posted... red sox 777 posted... The German government is currently is something of a crisis, with the CDU and CSU talking about splitting, which would force new elections, over the migration issue, so Trump's not wrong that there is a lot of anger in Germany over the government policies on migration. Before anyone gets into this discussion, I think it'd help your image a lot if you were willing to condemn Trump over the crime rate lie first. I don't think so. If anyone has data since, say, 2011, covering the period since the refugee crisis in Europe started, that would allow us to decide if the gist of Trump's statements is true or not. That the crime rate among non-Germans fell from 2016 to 2017 is itself far from sufficient, as Trump made no claims with that degree of specificity. I'm also pretty sure that the majority of non-Germans in Germans are citizens of other EU countries and not refugees. The EU has free movement of its citizens after all. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:903515475] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>JeffreyRaze posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote> The German government is currently is something of a crisis, with the CDU and CSU talking about splitting, which would force new elections, over the migration issue, so Trump's not wrong that there is a lot of anger in Germany over the government policies on migration.</quote> Before anyone gets into this discussion, I think it'd help your image a lot if you were willing to condemn Trump over the crime rate lie first.</quote> I don't think so. If anyone has data since, say, 2011, covering the period since the refugee crisis in Europe started, that would allow us to decide if the gist of Trump's statements is true or not. That the crime rate among non-Germans fell from 2016 to 2017 is itself far from sufficient, as Trump made no claims with that degree of specificity. I'm also pretty sure that the majority of non-Germans in Germans are citizens of other EU countries and not refugees. The EU has free movement of its citizens after all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 06/18/18 4:41:08 PM #42:	Mr Lasastryke posted... red sox 777 posted... Trump's not wrong that there is a lot of anger in Germany over the government policies on migration. it's one thing to say that there's a lot of anger, it's another to say it's "strongly and violently changed the culture." total bullshit as far as my country goes and i'd be surprised if it applies to germany either. I've never seen Trump talk about anything without using extremely strong hyperbole. He just doesn't use light or moderate strength words. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:903515563] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump's not wrong that there is a lot of anger in Germany over the government policies on migration.</quote> it's one thing to say that there's a lot of anger, it's another to say it's "strongly and violently changed the culture." total bullshit as far as my country goes and i'd be surprised if it applies to germany either.</quote> I've never seen Trump talk about anything without using extremely strong hyperbole. He just doesn't use light or moderate strength words.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 06/18/18 4:42:28 PM #43:	red sox 777 posted... He just doesn't use light or moderate strength words. Charlottesville. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:903515640] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote> He just doesn't use light or moderate strength words.</quote> Charlottesville.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 06/18/18 4:44:37 PM #44:	the thing with trump's statement is that it's so vague that i'm sure you can find SOME way to interpret it in a way that it's not wrong. "crime rate in germany is way up"? since when? last week? last year? compared to 40 years ago? if he's linking it to migration (which he is) he should be a lot more specific than this. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:903515765] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>the thing with trump's statement is that it's so vague that i'm sure you can find SOME way to interpret it in a way that it's not wrong. "crime rate in germany is way up"? since when? last week? last year? compared to 40 years ago? if he's linking it to migration (which he is) he should be a lot more specific than this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 06/18/18 4:48:37 PM #45:	red sox 777 posted... JeffreyRaze posted... red sox 777 posted... The German government is currently is something of a crisis, with the CDU and CSU talking about splitting, which would force new elections, over the migration issue, so Trump's not wrong that there is a lot of anger in Germany over the government policies on migration. Before anyone gets into this discussion, I think it'd help your image a lot if you were willing to condemn Trump over the crime rate lie first. I don't think so. If anyone has data since, say, 2011, covering the period since the refugee crisis in Europe started, that would allow us to decide if the gist of Trump's statements is true or not. That the crime rate among non-Germans fell from 2016 to 2017 is itself far from sufficient, as Trump made no claims with that degree of specificity. I'm also pretty sure that the majority of non-Germans in Germans are citizens of other EU countries and not refugees. The EU has free movement of its citizens after all. The overall crime rate is the lowest since 1992. Crimes by immigrants are not rising in proportion with the increased numbers, and crimes against immigrants are also dropping. --- JeffRaze, for all your random spellcasting needs <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:903515996] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JeffreyRaze posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote> The German government is currently is something of a crisis, with the CDU and CSU talking about splitting, which would force new elections, over the migration issue, so Trump's not wrong that there is a lot of anger in Germany over the government policies on migration.</quote> Before anyone gets into this discussion, I think it'd help your image a lot if you were willing to condemn Trump over the crime rate lie first.</quote> I don't think so. If anyone has data since, say, 2011, covering the period since the refugee crisis in Europe started, that would allow us to decide if the gist of Trump's statements is true or not. That the crime rate among non-Germans fell from 2016 to 2017 is itself far from sufficient, as Trump made no claims with that degree of specificity. I'm also pretty sure that the majority of non-Germans in Germans are citizens of other EU countries and not refugees. The EU has free movement of its citizens after all.</quote> The overall crime rate is the lowest since 1992. Crimes by immigrants are not rising in proportion with the increased numbers, and crimes against immigrants are also dropping.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 06/18/18 4:51:06 PM #46:	If someone is arguing that trump was maybe kind of correct when he said a vague statement with zero evidence of anything, can we please not quote that someone? Thanks. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:903516141] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>If someone is arguing that trump was maybe kind of correct when he said a vague statement with zero evidence of anything, can we please not quote that someone? Thanks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 06/18/18 4:54:12 PM #47:	JeffreyRaze posted... red sox 777 posted... JeffreyRaze posted... red sox 777 posted... The German government is currently is something of a crisis, with the CDU and CSU talking about splitting, which would force new elections, over the migration issue, so Trump's not wrong that there is a lot of anger in Germany over the government policies on migration. Before anyone gets into this discussion, I think it'd help your image a lot if you were willing to condemn Trump over the crime rate lie first. I don't think so. If anyone has data since, say, 2011, covering the period since the refugee crisis in Europe started, that would allow us to decide if the gist of Trump's statements is true or not. That the crime rate among non-Germans fell from 2016 to 2017 is itself far from sufficient, as Trump made no claims with that degree of specificity. I'm also pretty sure that the majority of non-Germans in Germans are citizens of other EU countries and not refugees. The EU has free movement of its citizens after all. The overall crime rate is the lowest since 1992. Crimes by immigrants are not rising in proportion with the increased numbers, and crimes against immigrants are also dropping. The overall crime rate doesn't prove anything about migrants. The vast majority of people in Germany are German. The next largest group is EU citizens from other countries (please correct me if this is wrong, I'm not certain). Even among immigrants, there are a lot of people who are not refugees from the Middle East. The most tenuous thing about what Trump said is actually his implicit equating of refugees from the Middle East to migrants from Central America. That's an assertion made without evidence, and done well enough that no one here called him out on it. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:903516321] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>JeffreyRaze posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JeffreyRaze posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote> The German government is currently is something of a crisis, with the CDU and CSU talking about splitting, which would force new elections, over the migration issue, so Trump's not wrong that there is a lot of anger in Germany over the government policies on migration.</quote> Before anyone gets into this discussion, I think it'd help your image a lot if you were willing to condemn Trump over the crime rate lie first.</quote> I don't think so. If anyone has data since, say, 2011, covering the period since the refugee crisis in Europe started, that would allow us to decide if the gist of Trump's statements is true or not. That the crime rate among non-Germans fell from 2016 to 2017 is itself far from sufficient, as Trump made no claims with that degree of specificity. I'm also pretty sure that the majority of non-Germans in Germans are citizens of other EU countries and not refugees. The EU has free movement of its citizens after all.</quote> The overall crime rate is the lowest since 1992. Crimes by immigrants are not rising in proportion with the increased numbers, and crimes against immigrants are also dropping.</quote> The overall crime rate doesn't prove anything about migrants. The vast majority of people in Germany are German. The next largest group is EU citizens from other countries (please correct me if this is wrong, I'm not certain). Even among immigrants, there are a lot of people who are not refugees from the Middle East. The most tenuous thing about what Trump said is actually his implicit equating of refugees from the Middle East to migrants from Central America. That's an assertion made without evidence, and done well enough that no one here called him out on it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 06/18/18 4:55:34 PM #48:	red sox 777 posted... I've never seen Trump talk about anything without using extremely strong hyperbole. He just doesn't use light or moderate strength words. the problem isn't that it's "hyperbole," it's that it's nonsense to begin with. i'm not saying "he's way too hyperbolic but he's right about immigrants having changed my country's culture for the worse," i'm saying "i don't agree at all with the notion that my country's culture has changed to any signfiicant degree because of immigrants." even the far right politicians here would agree with this - they're not saying "WE LIVE IN A DYSTOPIAN WASTELAND NOW BECAUSE OF IMMIGRANTS WE NEED TO CHANGE IT BACK," they're saying we need to close the borders and stop any more immigrants from coming in BEFORE our culture is changed for the worse. it's common sense, too - the idea that immigrants could so easily change a culture that's existed for centuries is lolworthy. and just like the "crime rate" statement, another issue is that the statement is so vague that it's pretty much meaningless. he should tell us specifically what immigrants have changed about our culture for the worse. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:903516409] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>I've never seen Trump talk about anything without using extremely strong hyperbole. He just doesn't use light or moderate strength words.</quote> the problem isn't that it's "hyperbole," it's that it's nonsense to begin with. i'm not saying "he's way too hyperbolic but he's right about immigrants having changed my country's culture for the worse," i'm saying "i don't agree at all with the notion that my country's culture has changed to any signfiicant degree because of immigrants." even the far right politicians here would agree with this - they're not saying "WE LIVE IN A DYSTOPIAN WASTELAND NOW BECAUSE OF IMMIGRANTS WE NEED TO CHANGE IT BACK," they're saying we need to close the borders and stop any more immigrants from coming in BEFORE our culture is changed for the worse. it's common sense, too - the idea that immigrants could so easily change a culture that's existed for centuries is lolworthy. and just like the "crime rate" statement, another issue is that the statement is so vague that it's pretty much meaningless. he should tell us specifically what immigrants have changed about our culture for the worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 06/18/18 4:55:45 PM #49:	Crime in Germany is way up. This is the statement by Trump. It is a direct quote. This statement is blatantly false. Can you please condemn it. --- JeffRaze, for all your random spellcasting needs <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:903516419] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>Crime in Germany is way up. This is the statement by Trump. It is a direct quote. This statement is blatantly false. Can you please condemn it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 06/18/18 4:57:33 PM #50:	So, the WH Press Briefing has been continuously delayed today (originally scheduled hours ago.) The latest delay occurred as that audio made it to the press in the briefing room. I know the WH is going to keep its gaslighting about this issue but god the press better not let this go now. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:903516512] in Politics C... [t:76724580]...</cite> <quote>So, the WH Press Briefing has been continuously delayed today (originally scheduled hours ago.) The latest delay occurred as that audio made it to the press in the briefing room. I know the WH is going to keep its gaslighting about this issue but god the press better not let this go now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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