Poll of the Day > Roseanne vs. Colin Kapernick

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What? Are you suggesting that Trump has an agenda beyond blind patriotism? That's crazy talk.

That was 28 years ago and she caught a ton of flack for it at the time. What is even the point of bringing it up?
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Since when did kneeling become a sign of disrespect
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This meme is bad even for occupydemocrats.Trump did not comment on her anthem, nor was kaeperneck protesting in order to raise awareness for anything but his own ego. Get real.
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Mead posted...

Since when did kneeling become a sign of disrespect

When context.

Being defiant is disrespecting order.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Mead posted...

Since when did kneeling become a sign of disrespect

When context.

Being defiant is disrespecting order.

Yep, better not do anything defiant in a country that claims to value the concept of personal freedom of expression.

Mead posted...

Since when did kneeling become a sign of disrespect

It is the opposite.
He wanted to sit down on the bench but asked a teammate who was in the Marines what he would do. He told him kneeling still shows respect but also makes a statement.

Then a bunch of silly people who don't know what he's protesting made it about something it's not.

Well, the meme is incorrect right off the bat. The original point of his protest was that he believed black people are oppressed.

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color"

knivesX2004 posted...

He wanted to sit down on the bench but asked a teammate who was in the Marines what he would do. He told him kneeling still shows respect but also makes a statement.

OhhhJa posted...

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color"

Not showing pride=/=disrespecting.

_AdjI_ posted...

Not showing pride=/=disrespecting.

So you think that statement equates to respect? Lol

I always wonder what the reaction would be if, I dunno, a baseball team started taking a knee at games to protest the demonization and murder of police officers. Somehow I suspect conservatives would be much more muted about the "sacrosanct ritual" of standing for the anthem.

OhhhJa posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Not showing pride=/=disrespecting.

So you think that statement equates to respect? Lol

That's a pretty big leap from what adjl actually posted.
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OhhhJa posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Not showing pride=/=disrespecting.

So you think that statement equates to respect? Lol

You think not disrespecting something equates to respecting it?

Reminder; that trash ass motherfucker wasn't even kneeling at first.

He was sulking because he was trash and believe it or not, the coaches didn't want him out there.
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Krow_Incarnate posted...

Reminder; that trash ass motherfucker wasn't even kneeling at first.

He was sulking because he was trash and believe it or not, the coaches didn't want him out there.

Lol.
He's way better than most people who got drafted over him. Not to mention he donates to charity and helps out his community on his own salary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgSIFG_SceA" data-time="

In case anyone hasn't seen it

Anyone defending this racist troll and condemning Kapernick, smh
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_AdjI_ posted...

OhhhJa posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Not showing pride=/=disrespecting.

So you think that statement equates to respect? Lol

You think not disrespecting something equates to respecting it?

I mean obviously feeling strongly enough about something to kneel and create widespread media attention to it is probably not a neutral statement firmly planted in the middle of respect and disrespect. He has his right to express that sentiment but it is what it is

OhhhJa posted...

I mean obviously feeling strongly enough about something to kneel and create widespread media attention to it is probably not a neutral statement firmly planted in the middle of respect and disrespect.

Why wouldn't it be? You're taking a very dichotomous (or I guess maybe trichotomous now) view here, and I'm not sure why. One can respect one's country while also feeling that it needs to step up its game.

knivesX2004 posted...

Krow_Incarnate posted...

Reminder; that trash ass motherfucker wasn't even kneeling at first.

He was sulking because he was trash and believe it or not, the coaches didn't want him out there.

Lol.
He's way better than most people who got drafted over him. Not to mention he donates to charity and helps out his community on his own salary.

I mean, he's likely better than a handful of starting QBs. I just hate how much publicity he's gotten. He's an overglorified attention whore and people suck him off for it. The other players, I don't even mind. Hell, I'll outright say that I've typically sided with the police in most of the cases that made the headlines. But it doesn't bother me players are trying to speak out; as a blanket statement, "police brutality is bad" is fine by me. People are also overblowing the kneeling aspect. The singing of the national anthem has never been about paying tribute to the troops, even if that were the intention(it's not). People sure as hell don't salute the flag from their TV or stand up from their couch for the damn thing. Except for Zeus, he might.

That was a cheap dig. I don't find Zeus to be all that bad.
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Krow_Incarnate posted...

People sure as hell don't salute the flag from their TV or stand up from their couch for the damn thing.

This is a point that I hadn't considered and I'm now very amused by all the hypocrisy.

_AdjI_ posted...

OhhhJa posted...

I mean obviously feeling strongly enough about something to kneel and create widespread media attention to it is probably not a neutral statement firmly planted in the middle of respect and disrespect.

Why wouldn't it be? You're taking a very dichotomous (or I guess maybe trichotomous now) view here, and I'm not sure why. One can respect one's country while also feeling that it needs to step up its game.

I know I'm slamming your hero bud but dude wore a che Guevara shirt as well. He loves America!

OhhhJa posted...

I mean obviously feeling strongly enough about something to kneel and create widespread media attention to it is probably not a neutral statement firmly planted in the middle of respect and disrespect. He has his right to express that sentiment but it is what it is

Don't you find it kind of weird how he swapped from sitting to kneeling after a veteran pointed out to him that sitting was disrespectful?

Doesn't sound like he's trying to be disrespectful to me. He was trying to draw attention to a cause and he succeeded.

OhhhJa posted...

I know I'm slamming your hero bud but dude wore a che Guevara shirt as well. He loves America!

I mean, if you actually know Che Guevara you should also realise that those shirts are pretty much the antithesis of everything he stood for and he would likely find them extremely insulting.

And if everyone who wears a Che shirt is disrespecting America, you're going to have a much, much longer list of people to get mad at than you seem to realise.
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WellKnownNomad posted...

hmmm

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Do you have any other completely intellectually disingenuous memes from your Facebook feed that you'd like to share with the class?

ninja_lootz posted...

That was 28 years ago and she caught a ton of flack for it at the time. What is even the point of bringing it up?

Because they can't find anything relevant for their narrative. That's why they have to pretend within the context that this is some new event and not something that happened before most of them were born.

Mead posted...

Since when did kneeling become a sign of disrespect

It's okay, we know you have a hard time understanding things.

darkknight109 posted...

I always wonder what the reaction would be if, I dunno, a baseball team started taking a knee at games to protest the demonization and murder of police officers. Somehow I suspect conservatives would be much more muted about the "sacrosanct ritual" of standing for the anthem.

You know what would happen. Those players would be out on their asses so fast that it'd look like Colin Kaperninny had a long career.
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Zeus posted...

Because they can't find anything relevant for their narrative.

Probably not your best line of attack, given that it's less than 48 hours after Barr basically outed herself on Twitter as the personification of every negative stereotype about Trump voters.

Zeus posted...

You know what would happen. Those players would be out on their asses so fast that it'd look like Colin Kaperninny had a long career.

Somehow I highly doubt that would be the case. I mean, do you really think Trump would call them "Sons of bitches" and suggest they should be thrown out of the country if it was the treatment of law enforcement that was being protested?
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darkknight109 posted...

And if everyone who wears a Che shirt is disrespecting America

Everyone who wears an american flag shirt is breaking flag code \_()_/

I wonder if he thought "Kaperninny" was clever as he was typing it out.
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i bet he did
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darkknight109 posted...

I mean, if you actually know Che Guevara you should also realise that those shirts are pretty much the antithesis of everything he stood for and he would likely find them extremely insulting.

And if everyone who wears a Che shirt is disrespecting America, you're going to have a much, much longer list of people to get mad at than you seem to realise.

None of this is even close to being factual assertions but aside from that fact, yes, I'm sure there are tons of Americans I would not get along with and I'm not a rah rah go America type of guy.

How is America oppressing black people again though? And how is it also not hypocritical to represent a guy responsible for so many human rights abuses in the same breath that you protest oppression?

Mead posted...

Since when did kneeling become a sign of disrespect

This
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_AdjI_ posted...

Not showing pride=/=disrespecting.

Kneeling during the anthem is literally a sign of respect to the fallen.
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OhhhJa posted...

How is America oppressing black people again though?

Hmm, let's see... To pick just one example, closely related to what Kapernick is protesting, how about the fact that at virtually all levels the justice system is completely fucking them over? To wit:

-Police stop blacks (and Latinos) at significantly higher rates than whites (exact rates vary by area, but blacks are typically about 3x more likely to be stopped than whites).

-Police are also much more likely to conduct pat-downs on blacks. A study of NYPD data showed that white people were frisked during police interactions approximately 8% of the time, while PoC were frisked an eye-popping 85% of the time.

-Blacks use drugs at roughly equal rates to whites (actually a few percentage points less, but not enough to make a material difference), yet they are significantly more likely to be arrested and charged with a crime. Blacks make up approximately 14% of all monthly drug users, but they make up 37% of all people arrested for drug offences.

-Once arrested, blacks are more likely than whites to be held in prison than to be released on recognizance. Again, exact rates vary by area.

-Blacks, particularly black men, are convicted at higher rates than whites charged with the same crime.

-Sentencing is another area where blacks get screwed over. Blacks receive sentences that are, on average, 10% longer than whites charged with the same crime, are 21% more likely to receive mandatory minimum sentences, and are 20% more likely to be sentenced to prison for minor crimes.

-This all culminates in some truly ridiculous numbers. Blacks are 13% of the population and 14% of monthly drug users, but make up 37% of drug arrests and 56% of the state prison population for drug offences. Black men are five times as likely as white men to serve time in prison during their life. This is true at the juvenile level as well; blacks make up 16% of the youth population, but make up 28% of juvenile arrests, 37% of the youth in juvenile facilities, and 58% of youth sentenced to adult prison sentences.

This is all without touching the numerous high-profile cases of police gunning down unarmed blacks, or non-justice related issues like the fact that people with a stereotypical black name are significantly less likely to get callbacks for job applications than people with stereotypical white names with the exact same qualifications (this trend is so pronounced that white names with criminal records on their applications STILL received more callbacks than black names with a clean record).

Kapernick is absolutely correct - from police interactions to arrests to trials to sentencing to prison and beyond, blacks continually get the short end of the stick.
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darkknight109 posted...

Zeus posted...

Because they can't find anything relevant for their narrative.

Probably not your best line of attack, given that it's less than 48 hours after Barr basically outed herself on Twitter as the personification of every negative stereotype about Trump voters.

Probably not your best line of defense because it has no relation to the actual subject at hand... which, you know, personifies the lame misdirections used in these memes.

darkknight109 posted...

Zeus posted...

You know what would happen. Those players would be out on their asses so fast that it'd look like Colin Kaperninny had a long career.

Somehow I highly doubt that would be the case. I mean, do you really think Trump would call them "Sons of bitches" and suggest they should be thrown out of the country if it was the treatment of law enforcement that was being protested?

I'm talking about what would happen to them, not what Trump would say about it. Which do you think is more relevant? A politician complaining or protestors being fired? Because if you're more upset that a politician spoke his mind, your priorities are really fucked up.
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Zeus posted...

Probably not your best line of defense because it has no relation to the actual subject at hand... which, you know, personifies the lame misdirections used in these memes.

Sorry, I thought that was Rosanne Barr in that picture. Must have been someone else who looks exactly like her and did the same thing.

Zeus posted...

I'm talking about what would happen to them, not what Trump would say about it.

Then you apparently didn't read my first post all the way through. Go back and give it another shot.
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_AdjI_ posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Mead posted...

Since when did kneeling become a sign of disrespect

When context.

Being defiant is disrespecting order.

Yep, better not do anything defiant in a country that claims to value the concept of personal freedom of expression.

You are free when you're not at work. You can kneel on your own time and you won't be defying anybody, but that would ruin your point, would it?
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darkknight109 posted...

Zeus posted...

Probably not your best line of defense because it has no relation to the actual subject at hand... which, you know, personifies the lame misdirections used in these memes.

Sorry, I thought that was Rosanne Barr in that picture. Must have been someone else who looks exactly like her and did the same thing.

Zeus posted...

I'm talking about what would happen to them, not what Trump would say about it.

Then you apparently didn't read my first post all the way through. Go back and give it another shot.

Stop doxxing him
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Mead posted...

Since when did kneeling become a sign of disrespect

When context.

Being defiant is disrespecting order.

Yep, better not do anything defiant in a country that claims to value the concept of personal freedom of expression.

You are free when you're not at work. You can kneel on your own time and you won't be defying anybody, but that would ruin your point, would it?

Is his job to stand during the anthem, or is his job to play football once the game starts?

And kneeling on his own time would be no less defiant. It'd just be less visible.
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Wait is this whole kneeling thing still going on? I thought that happened a while ago

Still going on, and the NFL reignited the debate a couple weeks ago by saying that players could stay in the locker room if they don't want to stand during the anthem, and that teams would be fined if their players didn't choose one of those two options.
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adjl posted...

Is his job to stand during the anthem, or is his job to play football once the game starts?

And kneeling on his own time would be no less defiant. It'd just be less visible.

His job is all his training, attendance at every match, how he behaves at every stadium AND playing football. When you're at work, you're expected to not act like a prick when you're at work even when you've clocked out.

And kneeling on his own time wouldn't be defying the expectation held to him during work hours, so nobody would complain.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

When you're at work, you're expected to not act like a prick when you're at work even when you've clocked out.

And how exactly is kneeling "acting like a prick"?

Kyuubi4269 posted...

And kneeling on his own time wouldn't be defying the expectation held to him during work hours, so nobody would complain.

The expectation is still to stand. All that would change would be the visibility.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

you're expected to not act like a prick

Dude he's just kneeling because he doesn't like people getting shot. That's it. He's conducting himself much more "professionally" than concession stands who continue to sell to people during the anthem or people who take a big fat runny beer shit in a public restroom.

adjl posted...

And how exactly is kneeling "acting like a prick"?

knivesX2004 posted...

Dude he's just kneeling because he doesn't like people getting shot. That's it.

Oh, well, I object to poverty, hold on while I go sunbathe on the job to show I don't like poverty.

Kneeling doesn't do shit for people getting shot and the NFL isn't getting people shot so not doing what the NFL expects of him is being defiant for no good reason.

adjl posted...

The expectation is still to stand. All that would change would be the visibility.

No, you aren't expected to do anything outside of work, you're perfectly welcome to stop whatever you're doing and kneel on the sidewalk to show you care about whatever you like. Your time is your time and you're perfectly welcome to fuck about then, at work you do as you're fucking told or get penalised/fired.

knivesX2004 posted...

He's conducting himself much more "professionally" than concession stands who continue to sell to people during the anthem

It's their job to sell during the anthem, standing for the anthem would be improper as he isnt doing his fucking job.

knivesX2004 posted...

people who take a big fat runny beer shit in a public restroom.

That's their business in their own time, but evidently they still get your ire for acting improperly, much as this player should for the same reason.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

being defiant for no good reason.

knivesX2004 posted...

Dude he's just kneeling because he doesn't like people getting shot.

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The kneeling disrespects gunshot victims, the shooters themselves, and the gun manufacturers

Why cant he just respect the process
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adjl posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

being defiant for no good reason.

knivesX2004 posted...

Dude he's just kneeling because he doesn't like people getting shot.

If he was "just" kneeling then he wouldn't be kneeling on the green of a football field during a televised event. You know full well he wasn't just doing anything.
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You know what a lot of "non racists" said about MLKs protests? That he should do them in a less intrusive way. Think that would have been effective?
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Mead posted...

Since when did kneeling become a sign of disrespect

Allow me to introduce you to the American conservative.

ninja_lootz posted...

That was 28 years ago and she caught a ton of flack for it at the time. What is even the point of bringing it up?

To show that Trump is blatantly racist, but that's kinda beating a dead horse at this point.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

That's their business in their own time, but evidently they still get your ire for acting improperly, much as this player should for the same reason.

I couldn't care less about what they do when the dumb anthem is playing.

And all your complaining just proves that this is the right way to protest and the right place for it. He's not harming anyone, the consequences are his own, and people are noticing.

usmovers_02 posted...

You know what a lot of "non racists" said about MLKs protests? That he should do them in a less intrusive way. Think that would have been effective?

MLK didn't hijack an event to push his agenda.

knivesX2004 posted...

I couldn't care less about what they do when the dumb anthem is playing.

You're not his employer.

knivesX2004 posted...

And all your complaining just proves that this is the right way to protest and the right place for it. He's not harming anyone, the consequences are his own, and people are noticing.

I imagine you approve of people who protest by blocking public roads and throwing themselves in front of cars, after all, they're not harming anyone, the consequences are their own and people notice.

He was granted the privilege of playing on that football field and he abused it to push his agenda and that's shitty. If he wanted attention for his cause then he should have done so in his own time with his own platform.

The guy is a god damn celebrity, he could've used his status to promote what matters to him, he'd get a strong following and it wouldn't be a problem but no, he has to interfere in other people's business to draw bad publicity his way.
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