Board 8 > I have purchased Persona 5.

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Well, Kamoshida is more openly reprehensible, but Madarame is a pretty awful person, too. It's just more understated.
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Madarame is definitely the weakest villain in the game.

The concept of the Persona 5 dungeons are basically ripped from the Persona 4 dungeons. The implementation is definitely higher-budget though. Persona 3's dungeon is a whole different beast, and one that I think works excellently for the game even though on its own it would kinda suck.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Well, Persona 4 does something similar with its dungeons in that they're created by the unconscious perceptions of the one who creates them. It's just that the people who create the dungeons in P4 are generally good guys, not bad guys.

That sounds interesting, but I really like the "real location warped into something else" aspect the most.

LeonhartFour posted...

Well, Kamoshida is more openly reprehensible, but Madarame is a pretty awful person, too. It's just more understated.

He's obviously bad, but Kamoshida was sexually abusing and destroying the lives of teenagers, he's obviously way worse.
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That sounds interesting, but I really like the "real location warped into something else" aspect the most.

I mean that's basically what it is for most of them. There are a couple that deviate from being real locations or something that is like a real location, but for the most part that's what they are.

It's just they don't have an actual structure on the inside and are just randomized dungeons.

well there's one big thing in particular that Madarame did that I think is up there but I don't think you've encountered it yet
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Bleh, now I need a stupid matador with stupid magaru. Anyway, finished everything up to sending the calling card, will continue tomorrow.
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Xiahou Shake posted...

Goemon's a tricky one since he was a real person but he's by far better known today through a famous play showing a heavily fictionalized version of his life.

Actually, this is kinda true for Kidd too. There was an actual guy named William Kidd who was executed as a pirate, but he's the center of tall tales now.

As far as Carmen goes, she was in a story but people really only know her from Bizet's (phenomenal) opera.
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Bleh, now I need a stupid matador with stupid magaru. Anyway, finished everything up to sending the calling card, will continue tomorrow.

If you want a recipe:
Nekomata + Orobas
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Nekomata + Orobas

That's different from the formula I found online. They said Treasure + Mokoi, which it said both were in the second palace even though I scoured it and found no Mokois. I may just use yours, or I may just give up on this confidant.
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There are likely multiple combos that work
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There are definitely multiple combos that work.

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I may just use yours, or I may just give up on this confidant.

The good thing about that confidant is you can basically do it whenever you want, and it doesn't use up a day
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Getting that Confidant done is a lot easier later when you have more money and more Personas in your Compendium so you can just summon the ones you need at will.
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I honestly found those requests easier than I expected. There's always a really obvious link to help complete it in the next dungeon or something.

And the whole point of it is that the Personas you make from it end up being really useful for a while. It sort of helps teach what to make that's good.
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also make sure you save those particular Personas to your Compendium so you can have them ready immediately if you ever do a NG+ file
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Oh jeez, I didn't know you could save personas.
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Well, they save automatically to your Compendium when you first get them, but you can save "better" versions of them if you want after they've gained some skills or if you fuse a new one you like better. Of course, the better the Persona is, the more expensive it is to summon, so there's that.
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Completed the second palace. I enjoyed the explanation of Madarame stealing and defacing the painting and letting Yusuke's mother die, that's pretty evil. I'm not sure if it's as bad as sexually abusing fifteen year-old girls, though.

Having him turn into a series of hilarious paintings with different parts of a face on them was a miscalculation, though. That's just so funny and silly that it completely defuses the drama. I can't recall seeing a boss this hysterical, I love it. Having the ridiculous cat bus show up while dramatic piano music plays and Madarame ask Yusuke what he should do to repent is like something out of MGS.

I don't really like Yusuke, I should say. I know they're going for like an intense and dignified character here, but he just comes off as boring and unrelatable. Like I do not think my reaction to being told that this guy effectively killed my mother for money would involve me remaining calm and composed.
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yeah but you're not Yusuke
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LeonhartFour posted...

yeah but you're not Yusuke

I have serious difficulty believing that any human would remain calm and reserved in that situation.
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Yusuke is not a real person so he can act in ways you would not expect normal people to do. That's the beauty of fiction.
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Yusuke is my favorite party member by a wide margin. Just be patient.
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So I might've made a mistake. Two days ago Mishima asked to talk to me over the phone, but I did dungeon stuff instead. His icon is no longer highlighted and I can't say yes anymore, and his name doesn't show up on the map when I select areas to visit.
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You don't have to respond when people ask you to hang out. If you put off answering, then obviously you lose the opportunity to hang out that day. Not showing up on the map means he's not available to hang out on that day. It doesn't ruin your ability to progress the Confidant.

That's also the beauty of fiction. You can ignore someone for days, weeks, and months, and they're still eager to hang out with you.
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Thanks, hopefully he'll just show up again later. Speaking of which, when it says "I don't think my bond with X will strenghten from hanging out today," it's still good to hang out, right? In the sense that it means I need two days of hanging out instead of just one to increase my bond.

As for characters acting unrealistically, sure, but if "your foster father murdered your mother to steal her artwork" doesn't move you, then nothing ever would. That's like the most emotional thing a human could be told.
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You can still hang out. A Confidant needs a certain amount of "points" to level up. It just means you won't get enough to level up that time, but you'll still get some points from hanging out.

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As for characters acting unrealistically, sure, but if "your foster father murdered your mother to steal her artwork" doesn't move you, then nothing ever would. That's like the most emotional thing a human could be told.

just because he didn't have an openly rage-filled reaction doesn't mean he wasn't moved by it
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Speaking of which, when it says "I don't think my bond with X will strenghten from hanging out today," it's still good to hang out, right? In the sense that it means I need two days of hanging out instead of just one to increase my bond.

Yes. Hanging out will progress you to the next scene that will increase your level. Make sure to have a Persona of the correct arcana when you do it.

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As for characters acting unrealistically, sure, but if "your foster father murdered your mother to steal her artwork" doesn't move you, then nothing ever would. That's like the most emotional thing a human could be told.

People can be emotionally shocked and repressed. Furthermore, it makes sense that Yusuke channels much of his emotions through his art than more directly like a normal person would.
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LeonhartFour posted...

just because he didn't have an openly rage-filled reaction doesn't mean he wasn't moved by it

I'm just comparing it in my head to other big emotional fictional moments like Vader saying he's Luke's father and trying to imagine the movie if Luke had just shaken his fist and said something like "This is unforgivable." I know that's not Luke's character but I'm just trying to imagine any character like that and I don't know. I guess we're just not likely to agree on this point.

On an unrelated note, I forgot to mention that Madarame is the only fight that made me reset. It was a noticeable jump in difficulty from the rest of the game, which so far has been really easy.
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Really? I facerolled Madarame. I legit thought he was supposed to be a joke boss, considering hes a fraud and all. Then again, Im a Persona vet so my Persona choices might have been pretty optimized.
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Madarame is supposed to be the gut-check boss, yeah.
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Madarame can be tough if you don't quickly figure out his attack patterns, weaknesses, and immunities. He never killed me, but it was a long fight on my first playthrough.
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trdl23 posted...

Yes. Hanging out will progress you to the next scene that will increase your level. Make sure to have a Persona of the correct arcana when you do it.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention this earlier. I think the game tells you this but you should always be carrying a persona of the same arcana as the person with whom you're hanging out (doesn't need to be equipped). If you do you'll get 1.5x (I think) as many points.
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I don't know, Ryuji.

I would not hire a fetish maid to "do anything for me," but if I did, I would definitely not invite two friends to the event.
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Revisiting the Persona Requests from the Velvet Twins. I was sitting on this info because you're not to that point yet, but maybe knowing this will make you feel a bit better about it. Once you reach the next Palace the game will unlock a new option in the Velvet Room that lets you sacrifice a Persona to power up as different one. Functionally, this destroys a Persona in exchange for giving a different one an EXP boost. However, it also chooses a skill from the sacrificed Persona at random to be passed to the Persona you're powering up. What this means for those requests is that as long as you have the Persona they're asking for, you can just sacrifice a Persona with the right skill to it and have the skill transferred to it. You may have to save scum it because the chosen skill is random but this way you don't have to worry about fusion and inheritance and all that stuff.
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I don't know, Ryuji.

I would not hire a fetish maid to "do anything for me," but if I did, I would definitely not invite two friends to the event.

What a stick in the mud

Yusuke sucks although I think he sucks for different reasons than you do
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Do these creepy maid homekeeping services actually exist in Japan? I know about maid cafes, but actually going to someone's house seems like you're asking to be targeted by a serial killer.

On a serious note, I did a waifu ranking topic a while ago and Ms. Kawakami was one of the waifus. I don't remember much, but I did remember the explanation for how your relationship with her can start (this scene). I wonder what my reaction would have been if I'd gone in blind.

I'll be honest, this scene was less funny and wacky than I expected it to be from when I read the wiki. I expected some panicking, flailing about, maybe some of those anime 'angry forehead vein' things. Instead she just acts rationally and a little annoyed.

... and how did the doctor lady get my phone number?
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I think it's just assumed that you exchange contact info with all confidants.
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You're giving a high school student the address and phone number of your night job, the creepy French maid service? You're the second worst teacher I've seen in this game.
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The main character (and Ryuji/Mishima) already have the number, it's how they started this whole thing! I think what Kawakami did was give like her extension so they get her directly instead of whoever they got when they first called.
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You mean the first best teacher

xp1337 posted...

The main character (and Ryuji/Mishima) already have the number, it's how they started this whole thing! I think what Kawakami did was give like her extension so they get her directly instead of whoever they got when they first called.

But you can already specifically request maids, that was mentioned when you call the first time.
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xp1337 posted...

The main character (and Ryuji/Mishima) already have the number, it's how they started this whole thing! I think what Kawakami did was give like her extension so they get her directly instead of whoever they got when they first called.

But you can already specifically request maids, that was mentioned when you call the first time.

Yeah, but I think she wants to cut out the middleman so that the people at her job don't catch on.

Kind of like a, "You shouldn't be doing this but if you're going to insist at least I can keep an eye on you" type of thing.
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xp1337 posted...

Yeah, but I think she wants to cut out the middleman so that the people at her job don't catch on.

Kind of like a, "You shouldn't be doing this but if you're going to insist at least I can keep an eye on you" type of thing.

Fair enough, I guess.

Worst part of all this is that I can't call her, I still need more guts.
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Guts is the troll stat. Probably the hardest to raise. Don't be surprised if you're working on it (not for Kawakami just trying to get it at max in general) pretty much the entire game.
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xp1337 posted...

Guts is the troll stat. Probably the hardest to raise. Don't be surprised if you're working on it (not for Kawakami just trying to get it at max in general) pretty much the entire game.

I currently have all of the stats at level 2, but I only just got guts there.
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Need to raise Guts? Keep trying to eat the burger
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How many notes is that again? Because my thought would be to study at the diner to get knowledge at the same time. It's only 1 note for Guts but still.
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trdl23 posted...

Need to raise Guts? Keep trying to eat the burger

I forgot about the burger, I may try that. Although I already have Guts 2 now, so maybe I'll succeed, I don't know.
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xp1337 posted...

Guts is the troll stat.

The real troll is how they introduce a confidant that needs high guts wayyyyyyy before you'll ever reach that level.
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