o bullied for being transgender commits suicide. Obituary goes viral.

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COVxy 04/08/18 11:06:58 AM #102:	nicklebro posted... Weird how you still haven't managed to list a single comparable example of how statistics would give us precise %s on what determines our behavior. It's almost as if even if that were scientifically possible, that it would take more than statistics to determine. I gave you an example of the exact same statistical logic. ::eyeroll:: --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:899269289] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>Weird how you still haven't managed to list a single comparable example of how statistics would give us precise %s on what determines our behavior. It's almost as if even if that were scientifically possible, that it would take more than statistics to determine. </quote> I gave you an example of the exact same statistical logic. ::eyeroll::</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 04/08/18 11:08:00 AM #103:	Conflict posted... You guys do know that non-trans bully victims often commit suicide too, right It's kind of dumb to not blame bullies Absolutely. And its kind of dumb to put the majority blame on one or the other when literally not a single one of us knows the details. --- http://m.imgur.com/BtD5etN?r https://m.imgur.com/a/jclul http://i.imgtc.com/etNW2apANm.jpg <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:899269323] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote>You guys do know that non-trans bully victims often commit suicide too, right It's kind of dumb to not blame bullies</quote> Absolutely. And its kind of dumb to put the majority blame on one or the other when literally not a single one of us knows the details.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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-Bungle- 04/08/18 11:21:26 AM #105:	fuzzylittlbunny posted... Just out of curiosity...Why does it keep saying 12-year-old teen? Because he also identified as a 19 year old. --- Assume the person you are listening to might know something you need to know. Listen hard enough, so they may share it with you. Jordan Peterson <cite>-Bungle- posted [p:899269801] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>fuzzylittlbunny posted...</cite> <quote>Just out of curiosity...Why does it keep saying 12-year-old teen?</quote> Because he also identified as a 19 year old.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 04/08/18 11:21:37 AM #106:	COVxy posted... nicklebro posted... Weird how you still haven't managed to list a single comparable example of how statistics would give us precise %s on what determines our behavior. It's almost as if even if that were scientifically possible, that it would take more than statistics to determine. I gave you an example of the exact same statistical logic. ::eyeroll:: Lol oh ok. shockthemonkey posted... nicklebro posted... Weird how you still haven't managed to list a single comparable example of how statistics would give us precise %s on what determines our behavior. It's almost as if even if that were scientifically possible, that it would take more than statistics to determine. Regardless you already admitted that being trans puts you are a higher risk for suicide so idk why in wasting anymore time on you. You had your chance to contribute to this topic, you did a bad job. Your entire argument is lets blame trans people even if we cant figure out if its their fault. Which is a really shitty stance to take as a direct response to a kid being bullied till they kill themselves. Lmao now you're accusing me of blaming trans people? I'm the one that's explaining why it isn't their fault! How in the world can any of my posts be interpreted as blaming trans people? I'm flat out saying their condition is one of the driving forces behind their astronomical suicide rates. You're the one claiming that bullying is the only reason they commit suicide, so for every trans person who isnt bullied yet still commits suicide, you're putting 100% of the blame on them personally. That's a horrible thing to say and you really need to stop it. Idk why you hate trans people so much but you need to cut it out because they're some of the most vulnerable people in our society and they need our help. Not just with stopping bullying and making them feel accepted in society, but in dealing with the complications of their condition, which is something you want to ignore completely. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:899269813] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>Weird how you still haven't managed to list a single comparable example of how statistics would give us precise %s on what determines our behavior. It's almost as if even if that were scientifically possible, that it would take more than statistics to determine. </quote> I gave you an example of the exact same statistical logic. ::eyeroll::</quote> Lol oh ok. <cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>Weird how you still haven't managed to list a single comparable example of how statistics would give us precise %s on what determines our behavior. It's almost as if even if that were scientifically possible, that it would take more than statistics to determine. Regardless you already admitted that being trans puts you are a higher risk for suicide so idk why in wasting anymore time on you. You had your chance to contribute to this topic, you did a bad job.</quote> Your entire argument is lets blame trans people even if we cant figure out if its their fault. Which is a really shitty stance to take as a direct response to a kid being bullied till they kill themselves.</quote> Lmao now you're accusing me of blaming trans people? I'm the one that's explaining why it isn't their fault! How in the world can any of my posts be interpreted as blaming trans people? I'm flat out saying their condition is one of the driving forces behind their astronomical suicide rates. You're the one claiming that bullying is the only reason they commit suicide, so for every trans person who isnt bullied yet still commits suicide, you're putting 100% of the blame on them personally. That's a horrible thing to say and you really need to stop it. Idk why you hate trans people so much but you need to cut it out because they're some of the most vulnerable people in our society and they need our help. Not just with stopping bullying and making them feel accepted in society, but in dealing with the complications of their condition, which is something you want to ignore completely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 04/08/18 11:38:37 AM #107:	YOUHAVENOHOPE posted... DifferentialEquation posted... Because we know that transgender people exist in California and Portland where they're basically worshipped like gods. You've never even been to Portland and California is a gigantic fucking state with incredibly varying opinions go back to sleep DE it's the only time you're bearable I have been to both places and I know what I'm talking about. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:899270460] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>Because we know that transgender people exist in California and Portland where they're basically worshipped like gods. </quote> You've never even been to Portland and California is a gigantic fucking state with incredibly varying opinions go back to sleep DE it's the only time you're bearable</quote> I have been to both places and I know what I'm talking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YOUHAVENOHOPE 04/08/18 11:41:24 AM #108:	DifferentialEquation posted... I have been to both places and I know what I'm talking about. clearly you've been to all of California --- http://i.imgur.com/kpXTakw.gif http://i.imgur.com/Pto3yPa.jpg http://media.giphy.com/media/NBVBnHv8bV13q/giphy.gif <cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted [p:899270579] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>I have been to both places and I know what I'm talking about. </quote> clearly you've been to all of California</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thelovefist 04/08/18 11:58:16 AM #110:	shockthemonkey posted... lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic This is bad trolling --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:899271253] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic</quote> This is bad trolling</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BarneyBosco 04/08/18 12:13:15 PM #111:	The whole trans thing has become pretty trendy with this latest gen of kids. Millennial parents lol. --- http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Ana-Ivanovic-5.jpg PSN J_Frost77 search my PSN to join the Divinity Original Sin Community <cite>BarneyBosco posted [p:899271924] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote>The whole trans thing has become pretty trendy with this latest gen of kids. Millennial parents lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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COVxy 04/08/18 12:14:44 PM #113:	nicklebro posted... Lol oh ok. You can continue to act ignorant, but I'm sure at this point you've realized you're wrong here. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:899271999] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>Lol oh ok.</quote> You can continue to act ignorant, but I'm sure at this point you've realized you're wrong here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sayoria 04/08/18 12:16:29 PM #114:	Jesus Christ with these dead names. I hope when I die, being (name redacted) is never, ever part of my obituary. So fucking disrespectful. --- Japanese Crack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5pzggr <cite>Sayoria posted [p:899272081] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote>Jesus Christ with these dead names. I hope when I die, being (name redacted) is never, ever part of my obituary. So fucking disrespectful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 04/08/18 12:16:42 PM #115:	COVxy posted... nicklebro posted... Lol oh ok. You can continue to act ignorant, but I'm sure at this point you've realized you're wrong here. This is also bad trolling --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:899272093] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>Lol oh ok.</quote> You can continue to act ignorant, but I'm sure at this point you've realized you're wrong here.</quote> This is also bad trolling</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Master_Materia 04/08/18 12:55:47 PM #117:	Bullies are pieces of ** Even if you disagree with transgender issues or whatever doesnt give you the right to bully anyone or treat them like crap. Bullying really needs to be taken far more seriously. All too often it can lead to results like this. It can be more many reasons so where the hell do people come off with blaming the victim just because they were trans? --- ... <cite>Master_Materia posted [p:899273959] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote>Bullies are pieces of ** Even if you disagree with transgender issues or whatever doesnt give you the right to bully anyone or treat them like crap. Bullying really needs to be taken far more seriously. All too often it can lead to results like this. It can be more many reasons so where the hell do people come off with blaming the victim just because they were trans?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 04/08/18 1:00:58 PM #118:	Have they gone into the details of what the bullying was? Are we talking like a mean comment every once in awhile or like a full-on hate campaign? --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:899274201] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote>Have they gone into the details of what the bullying was? Are we talking like a mean comment every once in awhile or like a full-on hate campaign?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gafemage 04/08/18 1:10:14 PM #121:	KillerKhan420 posted... A 12 year old killed himself because of mean things other kids said? Kids are jerks, it's to be expected. Too rash a decision that only a 12 year old could make, just like coming out at transgender is at such a young age. Worst post Ive read on CE in a while --- http://imgur.com/1EOFcjn http://imgur.com/epjd8zk <cite>Gafemage posted [p:899274642] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>KillerKhan420 posted...</cite> <quote>A 12 year old killed himself because of mean things other kids said? Kids are jerks, it's to be expected. Too rash a decision that only a 12 year old could make, just like coming out at transgender is at such a young age.</quote> Worst post Ive read on CE in a while</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BarneyBosco 04/08/18 1:34:14 PM #122:	Gafemage posted... KillerKhan420 posted... A 12 year old killed himself because of mean things other kids said? Kids are jerks, it's to be expected. Too rash a decision that only a 12 year old could make, just like coming out at transgender is at such a young age. Worst post Ive read on CE in a while Considering how cringy the pics in your sig are, I'm not surprised you think this. --- http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Ana-Ivanovic-5.jpg PSN J_Frost77 search my PSN to join the Divinity Original Sin Community <cite>BarneyBosco posted [p:899275753] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gafemage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KillerKhan420 posted...</cite> <quote>A 12 year old killed himself because of mean things other kids said? Kids are jerks, it's to be expected. Too rash a decision that only a 12 year old could make, just like coming out at transgender is at such a young age.</quote> Worst post Ive read on CE in a while</quote> Considering how cringy the pics in your sig are, I'm not surprised you think this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 04/08/18 1:51:11 PM #123:	Conflict posted... thelovefist posted... shockthemonkey posted... lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic This is bad trolling You unironically use "TDF" so you can't talk The term TDF is well suited to describe some of the posters in this topic. --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:899276591] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic</quote> This is bad trolling</quote> You unironically use "TDF" so you can't talk</quote> The term TDF is well suited to describe some of the posters in this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gafemage 04/08/18 1:55:07 PM #124:	thelovefist posted... Conflict posted... thelovefist posted... shockthemonkey posted... lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic This is bad trolling You unironically use "TDF" so you can't talk The term TDF is well suited to describe some of the posters in this topic. Shut the fuck up --- http://imgur.com/1EOFcjn http://imgur.com/epjd8zk <cite>Gafemage posted [p:899276777] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic</quote> This is bad trolling</quote> You unironically use "TDF" so you can't talk</quote> The term TDF is well suited to describe some of the posters in this topic.</quote> Shut the fuck up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/08/18 1:58:06 PM #125:	thelovefist posted... Conflict posted... thelovefist posted... shockthemonkey posted... lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic This is bad trolling You unironically use "TDF" so you can't talk The term TDF is well suited to describe some of the posters in this topic. Right, countering false claims is totally biased. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:899276902] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic</quote> This is bad trolling</quote> You unironically use "TDF" so you can't talk</quote> The term TDF is well suited to describe some of the posters in this topic.</quote> Right, countering false claims is totally biased.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 04/08/18 1:59:30 PM #126:	COVxy posted... thelovefist posted... Conflict posted... thelovefist posted... shockthemonkey posted... lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic This is bad trolling You unironically use "TDF" so you can't talk The term TDF is well suited to describe some of the posters in this topic. Right, countering false claims is totally biased. Let's face it, thelovefist probably wants to get dominated by several petite trans girl dommes at once. And he would love the fist. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:899276960] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic</quote> This is bad trolling</quote> You unironically use "TDF" so you can't talk</quote> The term TDF is well suited to describe some of the posters in this topic.</quote> Right, countering false claims is totally biased.</quote> Let's face it, thelovefist probably wants to get dominated by several petite trans girl dommes at once. And he would love the fist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 04/08/18 1:59:42 PM #127:	COVxy posted... thelovefist posted... Conflict posted... thelovefist posted... shockthemonkey posted... lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic This is bad trolling You unironically use "TDF" so you can't talk The term TDF is well suited to describe some of the posters in this topic. Right, countering false claims is totally biased. Your dogma does not make them false. --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:899276973] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic</quote> This is bad trolling</quote> You unironically use "TDF" so you can't talk</quote> The term TDF is well suited to describe some of the posters in this topic.</quote> Right, countering false claims is totally biased.</quote> Your dogma does not make them false.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/08/18 2:02:11 PM #128:	thelovefist posted... COVxy posted... thelovefist posted... Conflict posted... thelovefist posted... shockthemonkey posted... lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic This is bad trolling You unironically use "TDF" so you can't talk The term TDF is well suited to describe some of the posters in this topic. Right, countering false claims is totally biased. Your dogma does not make them false. The Admiral's claim has never been shown empirically, as far as I know. And he cannot produce a publication that says otherwise. Seems like you might want to look elsewhere for the ones determining truths and falsities through dogma. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:899277097] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic</quote> This is bad trolling</quote> You unironically use "TDF" so you can't talk</quote> The term TDF is well suited to describe some of the posters in this topic.</quote> Right, countering false claims is totally biased.</quote> Your dogma does not make them false.</quote> The Admiral's claim has never been shown empirically, as far as I know. And he cannot produce a publication that says otherwise. Seems like you might want to look elsewhere for the ones determining truths and falsities through dogma.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 04/08/18 2:02:42 PM #129:	JackSwanye2 posted... His family detailed the horrifying moment they found him in his bedroom on Saturday and tried to save his life. That is depressing reminds me of that 4chan live stream suicide from a couple weeks ago. The moment his mom found his dead body will be with me for a long time. Wat --- http://i.imgur.com/Rqk1DYV.gif - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:899277126] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>JackSwanye2 posted...</cite> <quote>His family detailed the horrifying moment they found him in his bedroom on Saturday and tried to save his life. That is depressing reminds me of that 4chan live stream suicide from a couple weeks ago. The moment his mom found his dead body will be with me for a long time.</quote> Wat</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 04/08/18 2:16:33 PM #130:	COVxy posted... thelovefist posted... COVxy posted... thelovefist posted... Conflict posted... thelovefist posted... shockthemonkey posted... lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic This is bad trolling You unironically use "TDF" so you can't talk The term TDF is well suited to describe some of the posters in this topic. Right, countering false claims is totally biased. Your dogma does not make them false. The Admiral's claim has never been shown empirically, as far as I know. And he cannot produce a publication that says otherwise. Seems like you might want to look elsewhere for the ones determining truths and falsities through dogma. You've become hysterical once again. --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:899277770] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Conflict posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>lmao why do you hate trans people? Never mind how much effort Ive spent shitting on them in this topic</quote> This is bad trolling</quote> You unironically use "TDF" so you can't talk</quote> The term TDF is well suited to describe some of the posters in this topic.</quote> Right, countering false claims is totally biased.</quote> Your dogma does not make them false.</quote> The Admiral's claim has never been shown empirically, as far as I know. And he cannot produce a publication that says otherwise. Seems like you might want to look elsewhere for the ones determining truths and falsities through dogma.</quote> You've become hysterical once again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 04/08/18 2:45:09 PM #132:	BarneyBosco posted... The whole trans thing has become pretty trendy with this latest gen of kids. Millennial parents lol. I'm pretty sure you'd abandon a trend if you were bullied so hard, long before you considered suicide. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899279166] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>BarneyBosco posted...</cite> <quote>The whole trans thing has become pretty trendy with this latest gen of kids. Millennial parents lol.</quote> I'm pretty sure you'd abandon a trend if you were bullied so hard, long before you considered suicide.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/08/18 2:51:46 PM #133:	>the science is debatable >reality Pick one. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899279483] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote>>the science is debatable >reality Pick one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turbam 04/08/18 2:59:15 PM #134:	Awful topic May the kid rest in peace --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! http://i.imgur.com/p9Xvjvs.gif <cite>Turbam posted [p:899279803] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote>Awful topic May the kid rest in peace</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/08/18 3:04:49 PM #135:	hockeybub89 posted... >the science is debatable >reality Pick one. Reality is that these people have a medical disorder and the associated depression that comes with there not being a real cure. Acceptance and medication can only go so far, but the disorder is persistent, which we see in the extreme suicide rates. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899280069] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>>the science is debatable >reality Pick one.</quote> Reality is that these people have a medical disorder and the associated depression that comes with there not being a real cure. Acceptance and medication can only go so far, but the disorder is persistent, which we see in the extreme suicide rates.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/08/18 3:11:29 PM #136:	The Admiral posted... hockeybub89 posted... >the science is debatable >reality Pick one. Reality is that these people have a medical disorder and the associated depression that comes with there not being a real cure. Acceptance and medication can only go so far, but the disorder is persistent, which we see in the extreme suicide rates. People that act differently are more likely to be bullied. People that are bullied, mistreated, abused are more likely to kill themselves. Does that mean everyone that is born different was born with depression? I considered killing myself in high school several times. Does that mean part of the blame should be on the "associated depression" that comes with autism and social anxiety? I'm not going to argue with you that gender dysphoria is not a serious disorder. I'm going to argue with you that gender dysphoria is not just another word for depression or that it's a package deal, but rather that disorders make you a prime target to develop depression due to how they change your environment. Being transgender is about as different from the norm as you can be and that makes them targets. You need a better argument than "being abnormal makes you more likely to kill yourself." --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899280351] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>>the science is debatable >reality Pick one.</quote> Reality is that these people have a medical disorder and the associated depression that comes with there not being a real cure. Acceptance and medication can only go so far, but the disorder is persistent, which we see in the extreme suicide rates.</quote> People that act differently are more likely to be bullied. People that are bullied, mistreated, abused are more likely to kill themselves. Does that mean everyone that is born different was born with depression? I considered killing myself in high school several times. Does that mean part of the blame should be on the "associated depression" that comes with autism and social anxiety? I'm not going to argue with you that gender dysphoria is not a serious disorder. I'm going to argue with you that gender dysphoria is not just another word for depression or that it's a package deal, but rather that disorders make you a prime target to develop depression due to how they change your environment. Being transgender is about as different from the norm as you can be and that makes them targets. You need a better argument than "being abnormal makes you more likely to kill yourself."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DocileOrangeCup 04/08/18 3:15:19 PM #137:	KillerKhan420 posted... A 12 year old killed himself because of mean things other kids said? Kids are jerks, it's to be expected. Too rash a decision that only a 12 year old could make, just like coming out at transgender is at such a young age. I kind of agree. Try changing schools or talking to a teacher before killing yourself, Cmon. But I don't know what they went through so who's to say. Also both terrible names --- https://i.imgur.com/kHnd6lr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/uG042id.jpg https://i.imgur.com/TAaXq7d.jpg https://i.imgur.com/xhtRl8w.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ggQozRe.png <cite>DocileOrangeCup posted [p:899280552] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>KillerKhan420 posted...</cite> <quote>A 12 year old killed himself because of mean things other kids said? Kids are jerks, it's to be expected. Too rash a decision that only a 12 year old could make, just like coming out at transgender is at such a young age.</quote> I kind of agree. Try changing schools or talking to a teacher before killing yourself, Cmon. But I don't know what they went through so who's to say. Also both terrible names</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/08/18 3:15:33 PM #138:	hockeybub89 posted... The Admiral posted... hockeybub89 posted... >the science is debatable >reality Pick one. Reality is that these people have a medical disorder and the associated depression that comes with there not being a real cure. Acceptance and medication can only go so far, but the disorder is persistent, which we see in the extreme suicide rates. People that act differently are more likely to be bullied. People that are bullied, mistreated, abused are more likely to kill themselves. Does that mean everyone that is born different was born with depression? I considered killing myself in high school several times. Does that mean part of the blame should be on the "associated depression" that comes with autism and social anxiety? I'm not going to argue with you that gender dysphoria is not a serious disorder. I'm going to argue with you that gender dysphoria is not just another word for depression or that it's a package deal, but rather that disorders make you a prime target to develop depression due to how they change your environment. I completely agree with you that there is a negative feedback cycle. But unlike some attributes kids are bullied for that are just "different," transgenderism is a medical disorder. Even if the trans person is fully accepted, they need to deal with the issue of having a physical body that will never match what their brain would like it to be. Even surgery and transitioning are highly imperfect, as most MtF don't come close to being passable. The elevated depression and suicide rates will always be there until a real cure is found. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899280566] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>>the science is debatable >reality Pick one.</quote> Reality is that these people have a medical disorder and the associated depression that comes with there not being a real cure. Acceptance and medication can only go so far, but the disorder is persistent, which we see in the extreme suicide rates.</quote> People that act differently are more likely to be bullied. People that are bullied, mistreated, abused are more likely to kill themselves. Does that mean everyone that is born different was born with depression? I considered killing myself in high school several times. Does that mean part of the blame should be on the "associated depression" that comes with autism and social anxiety? I'm not going to argue with you that gender dysphoria is not a serious disorder. I'm going to argue with you that gender dysphoria is not just another word for depression or that it's a package deal, but rather that disorders make you a prime target to develop depression due to how they change your environment.</quote> I completely agree with you that there is a negative feedback cycle. But unlike some attributes kids are bullied for that are just "different," transgenderism is a medical disorder. Even if the trans person is fully accepted, they need to deal with the issue of having a physical body that will never match what their brain would like it to be. Even surgery and transitioning are highly imperfect, as most MtF don't come close to being passable. The elevated depression and suicide rates will always be there until a real cure is found.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 04/08/18 3:19:04 PM #139:	Addy saying being transgender is a mental disorder and not the actual aspect that's gender dysphoria, something not all trans people actively are afflicted by. Must b a day that ends in -y. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:899280743] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote>Addy saying being transgender is a mental disorder and not the actual aspect that's gender dysphoria, something not all trans people actively are afflicted by. Must b a day that ends in -y.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/08/18 3:20:11 PM #140:	The Admiral posted... Since you're back in the topic, perhaps you'll admit that your statement isn't actually empirically supported. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:899280805] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> Since you're back in the topic, perhaps you'll admit that your statement isn't actually empirically supported.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/08/18 3:20:38 PM #141:	gunplagirl posted... Addy saying being transgender is a mental disorder and not the actual aspect that's gender dysphoria, something not all trans people actively are afflicted by. Must b a day that ends in -y. Never said mental illness, but it is objectively and undeniably a medical disorder. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899280830] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Addy saying being transgender is a mental disorder and not the actual aspect that's gender dysphoria, something not all trans people actively are afflicted by. Must b a day that ends in -y.</quote> Never said mental illness, but it is objectively and undeniably a medical disorder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 04/08/18 3:21:43 PM #142:	What does it change whether it's a disorder or not? Doesn't justify the bullying, and doesn't make the suicide any less sad. Human beings aren't machines. --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:899280897] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote>What does it change whether it's a disorder or not? Doesn't justify the bullying, and doesn't make the suicide any less sad. Human beings aren't machines.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/08/18 3:22:14 PM #143:	The Admiral posted... hockeybub89 posted... The Admiral posted... hockeybub89 posted... >the science is debatable >reality Pick one. Reality is that these people have a medical disorder and the associated depression that comes with there not being a real cure. Acceptance and medication can only go so far, but the disorder is persistent, which we see in the extreme suicide rates. People that act differently are more likely to be bullied. People that are bullied, mistreated, abused are more likely to kill themselves. Does that mean everyone that is born different was born with depression? I considered killing myself in high school several times. Does that mean part of the blame should be on the "associated depression" that comes with autism and social anxiety? I'm not going to argue with you that gender dysphoria is not a serious disorder. I'm going to argue with you that gender dysphoria is not just another word for depression or that it's a package deal, but rather that disorders make you a prime target to develop depression due to how they change your environment. I completely agree with you that there is a negative feedback cycle. But unlike some attributes kids are bullied for that are just "different," transgenderism is a medical disorder. Even if the trans person is fully accepted, they need to deal with the issue of having a physical body that will never match what their brain would like it to be. Even surgery and transitioning are highly imperfect, as most MtF don't come close to being passable. The elevated depression and suicide rates will always be there until a real cure is found. Yeah, we need to treat them better, like all people with non-depressive disorders, so they are all less likely to develop depression that can lead to suicide. Trans people just happen to have it the worst. When I said different, I didn't just mean watching anime or listening to ICP. I meant born different from the norm. This isn't to say that people with disorders do not need their own therapy, but we can stop treating them like shit to not add on to their troubles. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899280930] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>>the science is debatable >reality Pick one.</quote> Reality is that these people have a medical disorder and the associated depression that comes with there not being a real cure. Acceptance and medication can only go so far, but the disorder is persistent, which we see in the extreme suicide rates.</quote> People that act differently are more likely to be bullied. People that are bullied, mistreated, abused are more likely to kill themselves. Does that mean everyone that is born different was born with depression? I considered killing myself in high school several times. Does that mean part of the blame should be on the "associated depression" that comes with autism and social anxiety? I'm not going to argue with you that gender dysphoria is not a serious disorder. I'm going to argue with you that gender dysphoria is not just another word for depression or that it's a package deal, but rather that disorders make you a prime target to develop depression due to how they change your environment.</quote> I completely agree with you that there is a negative feedback cycle. But unlike some attributes kids are bullied for that are just "different," transgenderism is a medical disorder. Even if the trans person is fully accepted, they need to deal with the issue of having a physical body that will never match what their brain would like it to be. Even surgery and transitioning are highly imperfect, as most MtF don't come close to being passable. The elevated depression and suicide rates will always be there until a real cure is found.</quote> Yeah, we need to treat them better, like all people with non-depressive disorders, so they are all less likely to develop depression that can lead to suicide. Trans people just happen to have it the worst. When I said different, I didn't just mean watching anime or listening to ICP. I meant born different from the norm. This isn't to say that people with disorders do not need their own therapy, but we can stop treating them like shit to not add on to their troubles.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/08/18 3:24:12 PM #144:	The Admiral posted... gunplagirl posted... Addy saying being transgender is a mental disorder and not the actual aspect that's gender dysphoria, something not all trans people actively are afflicted by. Must b a day that ends in -y. Never said mental illness, but it is objectively and undeniably a medical disorder. So it is not a mental illness, but you think it inherently makes them much more likely to kill themselves? That makes even less sense. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:899281017] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Addy saying being transgender is a mental disorder and not the actual aspect that's gender dysphoria, something not all trans people actively are afflicted by. Must b a day that ends in -y.</quote> Never said mental illness, but it is objectively and undeniably a medical disorder.</quote> So it is not a mental illness, but you think it inherently makes them much more likely to kill themselves? That makes even less sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 04/08/18 3:24:49 PM #145:	The Admiral posted... gunplagirl posted... Addy saying being transgender is a mental disorder and not the actual aspect that's gender dysphoria, something not all trans people actively are afflicted by. Must b a day that ends in -y. Never said mental illness, but it is objectively and undeniably a medical disorder. Gender dysphoria is, yes. You're saying the whole is, and then not expanding upon what reason you would have to present that bit of information. Where does this idea lead and why bringing it up is relevant. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:899281050] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Addy saying being transgender is a mental disorder and not the actual aspect that's gender dysphoria, something not all trans people actively are afflicted by. Must b a day that ends in -y.</quote> Never said mental illness, but it is objectively and undeniably a medical disorder.</quote> Gender dysphoria is, yes. You're saying the whole is, and then not expanding upon what reason you would have to present that bit of information. Where does this idea lead and why bringing it up is relevant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sylph 04/08/18 3:40:27 PM #147:	It always fascinates me that people think that denying treatment for those that know they need it is a good idea. One might wonder if that would contribute to the depressions that lead to suicide by itself. No way to know because fortunately that plan will never be implemented, but it certainly makes you wonder what those people are thinking and what kind of grounding in reality that they have. --- ZSB: We look so much better in a dress than you. I wouldn't mind being alone if I could stand my own company. <cite>Sylph posted [p:899281836] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote>It always fascinates me that people think that denying treatment for those that know they need it is a good idea. One might wonder if that would contribute to the depressions that lead to suicide by itself. No way to know because fortunately that plan will never be implemented, but it certainly makes you wonder what those people are thinking and what kind of grounding in reality that they have.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Orochi_ 04/08/18 3:45:10 PM #148:	My kids get bullied in school. Im getting tired of talking to the principal about it and nothing gets done. I dont wanna take manners into my own hands because there will be serious consequences. For example, teaching my kids to defend themselves of bullying the bullies parents in their faces. --- :p <cite>Orochi_ posted [p:899282075] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote>My kids get bullied in school. Im getting tired of talking to the principal about it and nothing gets done. I dont wanna take manners into my own hands because there will be serious consequences. For example, teaching my kids to defend themselves of bullying the bullies parents in their faces.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/08/18 5:13:27 PM #150:	shockthemonkey posted... The Admiral posted... hockeybub89 posted... >the science is debatable >reality Pick one. Reality is that these people have a medical disorder and the associated depression that comes with there not being a real cure. Acceptance and medication can only go so far, but the disorder is persistent, which we see in the extreme suicide rates. You dont have any room to talk about reality after making up bullshit and then posting a study that in no way supported your claims, all while completely ignoring what trans people actually say. He'll never respond or take any responsibility for the shit he spews. @The_Admiral Here's hoping he proves me wrong. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:899286958] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>>the science is debatable >reality Pick one.</quote> Reality is that these people have a medical disorder and the associated depression that comes with there not being a real cure. Acceptance and medication can only go so far, but the disorder is persistent, which we see in the extreme suicide rates.</quote> You dont have any room to talk about reality after making up bullshit and then posting a study that in no way supported your claims, all while completely ignoring what trans people actually say.</quote> He'll never respond or take any responsibility for the shit he spews. @The_Admiral Here's hoping he proves me wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BarneyBosco 04/08/18 5:41:03 PM #151:	hockeybub89 posted... BarneyBosco posted... The whole trans thing has become pretty trendy with this latest gen of kids. Millennial parents lol. I'm pretty sure you'd abandon a trend if you were bullied so hard, long before you considered suicide. I was a dnd playing gothlite kid from CA in a small town AL redneck highschool in the early 90's. I neither abandoned my trend (until my early 20's) nor contemplated suicide. I got in plenty of fights but it all stopped after the bullies figured out that I'd fight back with plenty of enthusiasm. --- http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Ana-Ivanovic-5.jpg PSN J_Frost77 search my PSN to join the Divinity Original Sin Community <cite>BarneyBosco posted [p:899288676] in 12 y/o bul... [t:76493944]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BarneyBosco posted...</cite> <quote>The whole trans thing has become pretty trendy with this latest gen of kids. Millennial parents lol.</quote> I'm pretty sure you'd abandon a trend if you were bullied so hard, long before you considered suicide.</quote> I was a dnd playing gothlite kid from CA in a small town AL redneck highschool in the early 90's. I neither abandoned my trend (until my early 20's) nor contemplated suicide. I got in plenty of fights but it all stopped after the bullies figured out that I'd fight back with plenty of enthusiasm.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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