Current Events > 12 y/o bullied for being transgender commits suicide. Obituary goes viral.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5584051/Obituary-bullied-transgender-12-year-old-teen-committed-suicide.html

A devastated North Dakota family has written a heartbreaking obituary for their 12-year-old transgender son, who took his own life after he was bullied for coming out. Chance Houle, of Bismarck, committed suicide on March 31. His family said Chance, born Cherish, 'experienced intense pain most people will never know', according to an obituary posted on Eastgate Funeral. The obituary said the last six months had been especially painful for Chance as he 'experienced continual transition and intense bullying at school'. Chance's cousin told DailyMail.com that the pre-teen had only come out as transgender this year, and that it had contributed to the bullying. The boy's relatives said they had no idea how 'unbearable' the pain had become, and said they were devastated that their love wasn't 'enough to heal the scars'. Chance's obituary also discusses the world of bullying and all the 'ugliness and pain it causes'. His family detailed the horrifying moment they found him in his bedroom on Saturday and tried to save his life.

'The ugly truth of bullying is those who loved [Chance] can't close their eyes at night because they can't get the image out of their head'. 'The ugly truth of bullying is doing CPR for four minutes and 26 seconds. It's listening to the 911 operator tell you to go faster and push harder.' 'It's knowing that you didn't open the door early enough for it to matter anyway.' Chance's cousin said the teen had also struggled with being in foster care for the last five years and being split up from his siblings. '
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Stop it. Get some help.
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His family detailed the horrifying moment they found him in his bedroom on Saturday and tried to save his life.

That is depressing reminds me of that 4chan live stream suicide from a couple weeks ago. The moment his mom found his dead body will be with me for a long time.
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A 12 year old killed himself because of mean things other kids said? Kids are jerks, it's to be expected. Too rash a decision that only a 12 year old could make, just like coming out at transgender is at such a young age.
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No. People who are considering suicide need to get some help
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Born a boy?

I'm sure the bullying was a factor in this suicide, and that's terrible, but it's not nearly as much of a factor as the condition itself. Even transgenders who are not bullied and who undergo SRS and hormone treatments commit suicide at rates that are 10x higher than the generation population.
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KillerKhan420 posted...

A 12 year old killed himself because of mean things other kids said? Kids are jerks, it's to be expected. Too rash a decision that only a 12 year old could make, just like coming out at transgender is at such a young age.

Dude.

Shut the fuck up.
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DK9292 posted...

KillerKhan420 posted...

A 12 year old killed himself because of mean things other kids said? Kids are jerks, it's to be expected. Too rash a decision that only a 12 year old could make, just like coming out at transgender is at such a young age.

Dude.

Shut the fuck up.

Grow up kid. I didn't say anything remotely offensive, the only people who find it offensive are millienials. You can type down your little insults all you want. You'd never open your mouth like that in person because you're a coward. Good bye kid.
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The Admiral posted...

I'm sure the bullying was a factor in this suicide, and that's terrible, but it's not nearly as much of a factor as the condition itself. Even transgenders who are not bullied and who undergo SRS and hormone treatments commit suicide at rates that are 10x higher than the generation population.

how do we know what they experience(d)?
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boxington posted...

The Admiral posted...

I'm sure the bullying was a factor in this suicide, and that's terrible, but it's not nearly as much of a factor as the condition itself. Even transgenders who are not bullied and who undergo SRS and hormone treatments commit suicide at rates that are 10x higher than the generation population.

how do we know what they experience(d)?

Because we know that transgender people exist in California and Portland where they're basically worshipped like gods.
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what a shame, he was pretty cute too. Guess its just the redneck culture down there.

you can be trans at 12 years old?

Milkman5 posted...

you can be trans at 12 years old?

And younger.
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Not to be prurient/ignorant.. was this a boy transitioning to a girl? or vice versa?

The usual suspects using this to attack transgender people? I'm not even surprised.
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Just out of curiosity...Why does it keep saying 12-year-old teen?
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KillerKhan420 posted...

A 12 year old killed himself because of mean things other kids said? Kids are jerks, it's to be expected. Too rash a decision that only a 12 year old could make, just like coming out at transgender is at such a young age.

No.....bro Just no
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The Admiral posted...

I'm sure the bullying was a factor in this suicide, and that's terrible, but it's not nearly as much of a factor as the condition itself. Even transgenders who are not bullied and who undergo SRS and hormone treatments commit suicide at rates that are 10x higher than the generation population.

You would say something dumb like this
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Because we know that transgender people exist in California and Portland where they're basically worshipped like gods.

You've never even been to Portland
and California is a gigantic fucking state with incredibly varying opinions
go back to sleep DE it's the only time you're bearable
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Those bullies are despicable but let's not forget that the parents are also at fault here.
I have said many many times that people should not transition before becoming adults.

Rip young lad. We didn't deserve you.
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The Admiral posted...

I'm sure

welp, looks like a closed case then
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deanshow posted...

The Admiral posted...

I'm sure the bullying was a factor in this suicide, and that's terrible, but it's not nearly as much of a factor as the condition itself. Even transgenders who are not bullied and who undergo SRS and hormone treatments commit suicide at rates that are 10x higher than the generation population.

You would say something dumb like this

What's dumb about that? I usually disagree with him too but everything he said is factual, and he said the bullying obviously contributed to the suicide. But it's stupid to acknowledge that this person was at a very high risk of committing suicide even without the bullying?
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prettyprincess posted...

The Admiral posted...

I'm sure

welp, looks like a closed case then

You're not sure that bullying contributed to this suicide?
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shockthemonkey posted...

nicklebro posted...

deanshow posted...

The Admiral posted...

I'm sure the bullying was a factor in this suicide, and that's terrible, but it's not nearly as much of a factor as the condition itself. Even transgenders who are not bullied and who undergo SRS and hormone treatments commit suicide at rates that are 10x higher than the generation population.

You would say something dumb like this

What's dumb about that? I usually disagree with him too but everything he said is factual, and he said the bullying obviously contributed to the suicide. But it's stupid to acknowledge that this person was at a very high risk of committing suicide even without the bullying?

Trying to blame it on being trans is a shitty thing to do

It's a fact that trans people commit suicide at a substantially higher rate than non trans people tho... I mean it's literally established science.

And why would that be shitty anyways? Being trans means you're suffering from a very psychologically difficult condition, it's only logic that it would lead to increased suicide rates.
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gunplagirl posted...

The usual suspects using this to attack transgender people? I'm not even surprised.

Whos attacking transgenders?
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nicklebro posted...

It's a fact that trans people commit suicide at a substantially higher rate than non trans people tho... I mean it's literally established science.

I mean, inferring that it's the transgenderism that is the cause here is fallacious.
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nicklebro posted...

It's a fact that trans people commit suicide at a substantially higher rate than non trans people tho... I mean it's literally established science.

Why do you think trans people commit suicide a lot more than non trans (cis) people? If you knew the established science you're citing, you'd have a basic idea.
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scar the 1 posted...

nicklebro posted...

It's a fact that trans people commit suicide at a substantially higher rate than non trans people tho... I mean it's literally established science.

Why do you think trans people commit suicide a lot more than non trans (cis) people? If you knew the established science you're citing, you'd have a basic idea.

no dude
they are trans
so it must be because they are trans

you really get an idea of how people become racist... like you hear that black people have higher crime rates and your logic is "oh it must be because they're black" it's really like a 6-year-olds thought process
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shockthemonkey posted...

Someone was just bullied into suicide and youre both trying to divert attention away from the bullying while blaming it on being trans

Thats shitty

You should stop doing it

Stop pointing out facts because they make you feel bad? You're telling everyone to ignore the fact that trans people are at a higher risk for suicide than other people.. do you think that's helping the situation? You can keep trying to push this nonsense that I'm discounting the bullying but everyone reading this will see right through that BS. I'm saying both contributed to the suicide, you're telling everyone to not even mention the effect being trans had. That's fucked up and counter productive and you should really stop.

COVxy posted...

nicklebro posted...

It's a fact that trans people commit suicide at a substantially higher rate than non trans people tho... I mean it's literally established science.

I mean, inferring that it's the transgenderism that is the cause here is fallacious.

No one did that. But for you to make that claim means you know exactly what led to this suicide and can prove it.

Here's the facts. Bullying increases the likely hood of committing suicide. So does being trans. Why is it ok to acknowledge one and not the other?
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nicklebro posted...

Here's the facts. Bullying increases the likely hood of committing suicide. So does being trans. Why is it ok to acknowledge one and not the other?

because you're being incredibly callous and saying "oh it's to be expected just look at the factors"
instead of feeling "oh that's sad we shouldn't bully people"

it's a nerd logic thing that drives normal people up the wall
don't feel too bad other people don't understand
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nicklebro posted...

No one did that.

Did you read the post Admiral made that you are defending? He's clearly trying to set the case for the condition itself being the cause of the increased suicide risk.

Here's the facts. Bullying increases the likely hood of committing suicide. So does being trans. Why is it ok to acknowledge one and not the other?

Oh, you can certainly acknowledge that, with the clear knowledge that you have no idea how much these factors independently load on suicide risk.
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scar the 1 posted...

nicklebro posted...

It's a fact that trans people commit suicide at a substantially higher rate than non trans people tho... I mean it's literally established science.

Why do you think trans people commit suicide a lot more than non trans (cis) people? If you knew the established science you're citing, you'd have a basic idea.

A ton of reasons...

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

scar the 1 posted...

nicklebro posted...

It's a fact that trans people commit suicide at a substantially higher rate than non trans people tho... I mean it's literally established science.

Why do you think trans people commit suicide a lot more than non trans (cis) people? If you knew the established science you're citing, you'd have a basic idea.

no dude
they are trans
so it must be because they are trans

you really get an idea of how people become racist... like you hear that black people have higher crime rates and your logic is "oh it must be because they're black" it's really like a 6-year-olds thought process

This makes 0 sense. You're seriously trying to compare trans suicide rates with black peoples crime rates.

Are you guys seriously arguing that the only reason trans people have higher suicide rates is because they're being bullied? You don't think suffering from an incredibly challenging condition has anything to do with it?

Seriously?
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Ruvan22 posted...

Not to be prurient/ignorant.. was this a boy transitioning to a girl? or vice versa?

I think this is a fair question, the way the article is written makes it sound like they were a transgender girl but they just refused to call them anything but a boy. Maybe they were non-binary though, I really couldn't say. I think the writer is just unfamiliar with trans people and their pronouns.
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scar the 1 posted...

nicklebro posted...

It's a fact that trans people commit suicide at a substantially higher rate than non trans people tho... I mean it's literally established science.

Why do you think trans people commit suicide a lot more than non trans (cis) people? If you knew the established science you're citing, you'd have a basic idea.

Part of the reason is obviously lack of societal acceptance, but the majority of the reason is the condition itself. As was mentioned, even transgenders in loving and accepting environments who have undergone SRS and hormone therapy still commit suicide at rates that are on par with people who have severe mental illnesses. The SRS/acceptance does lower suicide rates, but nowhere close to the general population.

Bottom line is that transgenders are already at a much higher risk of depression and suicide, and when they're exposed to bullying -- like this kid was -- there is a greater than usual chance of the child taking his or her life. I think that's something teachers and parents of trans kids need to be aware of.
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Well said Admiral. I couldn't have said it better. That was a very intellectual response.
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nicklebro posted...

You're seriously trying to compare trans suicide rates with black peoples crime rates.

No
I'm comparing the logic

People like you see "Black people commit crimes at normal than higher rates" and you immediately accept that being black MUST be part of the reason. You don't even think to ask, "Why? exclusive of their skin color.

SImilarly, you see "Trans person commits suicide because of bulllying" and you immediately accept that the trans part of them must = bullying.
Nobody here is saying that trans people are not going through a tough time.

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

you're being incredibly callous and saying "oh it's to be expected just look at the factors"
instead of feeling "oh that's sad we shouldn't bully people"

it's a nerd logic thing that drives normal people up the wall
don't feel too bad other people don't understand

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The Admiral posted...

As was mentioned, even transgenders in loving and accepting environments who have undergone SRS and hormone therapy still commit suicide at rates that are on par with people who have severe mental illnesses.

Yeah, but the issue is that you are pulling that analysis out of your ass lol.
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shockthemonkey posted...

The Admiral posted...

scar the 1 posted...

nicklebro posted...

It's a fact that trans people commit suicide at a substantially higher rate than non trans people tho... I mean it's literally established science.

Why do you think trans people commit suicide a lot more than non trans (cis) people? If you knew the established science you're citing, you'd have a basic idea.

Part of the reason is obviously lack of societal acceptance, but the majority of the reason is the condition itself. As was mentioned, even transgenders in loving and accepting environments who have undergone SRS and hormone therapy still commit suicide at rates that are on par with people who have severe mental illnesses. The SRS/acceptance does lower suicide rates, but nowhere close to the general population.

Bottom line is that transgenders are already at a much higher risk of depression and suicide, and when they're exposed to bullying -- like this kid was -- there is a greater than usual chance of the child taking his or her life. I think that's something teachers and parents of trans kids need to be aware of.

This is false and you should stop spouting off nonsense from one disproven study.

It's not, and you should educate yourself properly if you think otherwise.
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DK9292 posted...

KillerKhan420 posted...

A 12 year old killed himself because of mean things other kids said? Kids are jerks, it's to be expected. Too rash a decision that only a 12 year old could make, just like coming out at transgender is at such a young age.

Dude.

Shut the fuck up.

he's not wrong.

i only add that the parents didn't support him enough and could have been avoided.
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