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bulbinking 03/20/18 10:40:11 AM #51:	Zeus posted... It's a damn shame, especially since this will set back progress by years. It's also worth remembering that in every incident so far, the error has been on the part of the other participant in the accident and it seems like that might be the case here as well. Krazy_Kirby posted... "but self driving cars are safe, guys" said lots of idiots.... They are safe.... for the driver. (Or, at least, safer than a human.) It takes two to get in an accident provided both vehicles/people were in motion. Even if it was the ladies fault, that is to imply no human has ever prevented or avoided an accident in which somebody was breaking the law and the safer driver does defensive driving to a oid accident or warn somebody else before crashing. Driver language and interactions are far too complex for even your average driver today to get all the nuances, how are bunch of deskjob geeks with typical or less driving experience going to program an ai capable of handling it all? The only way for ai cars to be 100% safer than the best driver on the road is if the best driver is forced to be in an ai car on the road. Human excellence is still an achievable goal, we have t hit some magical pinnacle of evolution yet and so many technologies in development right now revolve around the idea we can start retiring from society have robots do all of our physical activities like using our brains for manual labor is a waste or something. --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqscensorship.blogspot.com <cite>bulbinking posted [p:898146863] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>It's a damn shame, especially since this will set back progress by years. It's also worth remembering that in every incident so far, the error has been on the part of the other participant in the accident and it seems like that might be the case here as well. <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted...</cite> <quote>"but self driving cars are safe, guys" said lots of idiots....</quote> They are safe.... for the driver. (Or, at least, safer than a human.)</quote> It takes two to get in an accident provided both vehicles/people were in motion. Even if it was the ladies fault, that is to imply no human has ever prevented or avoided an accident in which somebody was breaking the law and the safer driver does defensive driving to a oid accident or warn somebody else before crashing. Driver language and interactions are far too complex for even your average driver today to get all the nuances, how are bunch of deskjob geeks with typical or less driving experience going to program an ai capable of handling it all? The only way for ai cars to be 100% safer than the best driver on the road is if the best driver is forced to be in an ai car on the road. Human excellence is still an achievable goal, we have t hit some magical pinnacle of evolution yet and so many technologies in development right now revolve around the idea we can start retiring from society have robots do all of our physical activities like using our brains for manual labor is a waste or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Firewood18 03/20/18 11:54:55 AM #52:	The police have reviewed the dash cam footage and declared that neither human nor autonomous could have avoided the accident. --- Who said that? <cite>Firewood18 posted [p:898150407] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote>The police have reviewed the dash cam footage and declared that neither human nor autonomous could have avoided the accident.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noop_Noop 03/20/18 11:58:13 AM #53:	ArvTheGreat posted... they have the right away LOL, try that one again arv Right away lol <cite>Noop_Noop posted [p:898150601] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>ArvTheGreat posted...</cite> <quote> they have the right away</quote> LOL, try that one again arv Right away lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bulbinking 03/20/18 12:08:21 PM #54:	Firewood18 posted... The police have reviewed the dash cam footage and declared that neither human nor autonomous could have avoided the accident. Whos driving ability were they testing? A watchful driver couldve predicted a person near road might fall in front of them and try to give extra room by going into other lane. Ive done this before and it saved me from running over a bicyclaist once. I have also prevented an accident where an old lady was in the middle of merging into a semi and only corrected course after I sped up and honked at her. Could a self driving car do that? --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqscensorship.blogspot.com <cite>bulbinking posted [p:898151170] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>Firewood18 posted...</cite> <quote>The police have reviewed the dash cam footage and declared that neither human nor autonomous could have avoided the accident.</quote> Whos driving ability were they testing? A watchful driver couldve predicted a person near road might fall in front of them and try to give extra room by going into other lane. Ive done this before and it saved me from running over a bicyclaist once. I have also prevented an accident where an old lady was in the middle of merging into a semi and only corrected course after I sped up and honked at her. Could a self driving car do that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 03/20/18 1:24:30 PM #55:	bulbinking posted... how are bunch of deskjob geeks with typical or less driving experience What does this even mean? --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:898155497] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote>how are bunch of deskjob geeks with typical or less driving experience</quote> What does this even mean?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bulbinking 03/20/18 1:34:35 PM #56:	Smarkil posted... bulbinking posted... how are bunch of deskjob geeks with typical or less driving experience What does this even mean? Look at the nerds making these things. They live in stop and go traffic on roads designed around commerce promotion. I dont see or hear of consulting with professional drivers and psychologistst. They are acting like cars and self driving tech is entirely engineering related while forgetting people have cultural instincts related to vehicles on top of many other complicating issues. Self driving cars cannot exist the way media presents us. What we will get instead is less freedom and control over ease of movement and make cross country travel more difficult. Somehow im sure the government will figure out a aay to make people have to pay for insurance. You guys are the commoners of the 50s believing in flying cars. --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqscensorship.blogspot.com <cite>bulbinking posted [p:898156061] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote>how are bunch of deskjob geeks with typical or less driving experience</quote> What does this even mean?</quote> Look at the nerds making these things. They live in stop and go traffic on roads designed around commerce promotion. I dont see or hear of consulting with professional drivers and psychologistst. They are acting like cars and self driving tech is entirely engineering related while forgetting people have cultural instincts related to vehicles on top of many other complicating issues. Self driving cars cannot exist the way media presents us. What we will get instead is less freedom and control over ease of movement and make cross country travel more difficult. Somehow im sure the government will figure out a aay to make people have to pay for insurance. You guys are the commoners of the 50s believing in flying cars.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 03/20/18 1:36:48 PM #57:	what the fuck is this guy even trying to say --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:898156180] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote>what the fuck is this guy even trying to say</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krow_Incarnate 03/20/18 1:49:14 PM #58:	He's not entirely wrong about the insurance, though. You're kidding if you expect me to be liable for damage of which I had no control over the matter. And yes, a human mind can avoid accidents in the way a self-driven car wouldn't. A self-driven car might be 100% committed to road rules and whatnot, even if it's at the expense of you getting absolutely fucked. --- Hail Hydra <cite>Krow_Incarnate posted [p:898156878] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote>He's not entirely wrong about the insurance, though. You're kidding if you expect me to be liable for damage of which I had no control over the matter. And yes, a human mind can avoid accidents in the way a self-driven car wouldn't. A self-driven car might be 100% committed to road rules and whatnot, even if it's at the expense of you getting absolutely fucked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 03/20/18 3:29:58 PM #59:	bulbinking posted... Zeus posted... It's a damn shame, especially since this will set back progress by years. It's also worth remembering that in every incident so far, the error has been on the part of the other participant in the accident and it seems like that might be the case here as well. Krazy_Kirby posted... "but self driving cars are safe, guys" said lots of idiots.... They are safe.... for the driver. (Or, at least, safer than a human.) It takes two to get in an accident provided both vehicles/people were in motion. Even if it was the ladies fault, that is to imply no human has ever prevented or avoided an accident in which somebody was breaking the law and the safer driver does defensive driving to a oid accident or warn somebody else before crashing. Driver language and interactions are far too complex for even your average driver today to get all the nuances, how are bunch of deskjob geeks with typical or less driving experience going to program an ai capable of handling it all? The only way for ai cars to be 100% safer than the best driver on the road is if the best driver is forced to be in an ai car on the road. Human excellence is still an achievable goal, we have t hit some magical pinnacle of evolution yet and so many technologies in development right now revolve around the idea we can start retiring from society have robots do all of our physical activities like using our brains for manual labor is a waste or something. True, the best drivers can avoid most accidents. But how many good drivers are even really on the road? For every good driver there is hundreds if not thousands of worse ones. Luckily (knock on wood) I have avoided accidents because of my reaction time, keeping a safe distance, and watch everyone. But this scenario is my worse nightmare and why I hate driving in anyplace where people are walking. Cause then yoh have to watch for this exact thing. Now the car may have been able to pay attention to surroundings if it was human but that's why there is a human behind the wheel. Just because he isn't controlling the vehicle, doesn't mean he isn't co-piloting. He is there for a reason and I feel the human failed his job in this scenario and the others. I still feel the blame is on the human behind the wheel. It is new tech that still has much much much more development before it can be 100% autonamis and people are acting like the tech is perfected. If anything, this has shown that autonamis cars are actually better then a majority of people in my opinion. One key factor being it will never drive exhausted, distracted, intoxicated, etc. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT <cite>yutterh posted [p:898162796] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>It's a damn shame, especially since this will set back progress by years. It's also worth remembering that in every incident so far, the error has been on the part of the other participant in the accident and it seems like that might be the case here as well. <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted...</cite> <quote>"but self driving cars are safe, guys" said lots of idiots....</quote> They are safe.... for the driver. (Or, at least, safer than a human.)</quote> It takes two to get in an accident provided both vehicles/people were in motion. Even if it was the ladies fault, that is to imply no human has ever prevented or avoided an accident in which somebody was breaking the law and the safer driver does defensive driving to a oid accident or warn somebody else before crashing. Driver language and interactions are far too complex for even your average driver today to get all the nuances, how are bunch of deskjob geeks with typical or less driving experience going to program an ai capable of handling it all? The only way for ai cars to be 100% safer than the best driver on the road is if the best driver is forced to be in an ai car on the road. Human excellence is still an achievable goal, we have t hit some magical pinnacle of evolution yet and so many technologies in development right now revolve around the idea we can start retiring from society have robots do all of our physical activities like using our brains for manual labor is a waste or something.</quote> True, the best drivers can avoid most accidents. But how many good drivers are even really on the road? For every good driver there is hundreds if not thousands of worse ones. Luckily (knock on wood) I have avoided accidents because of my reaction time, keeping a safe distance, and watch everyone. But this scenario is my worse nightmare and why I hate driving in anyplace where people are walking. Cause then yoh have to watch for this exact thing. Now the car may have been able to pay attention to surroundings if it was human but that's why there is a human behind the wheel. Just because he isn't controlling the vehicle, doesn't mean he isn't co-piloting. He is there for a reason and I feel the human failed his job in this scenario and the others. I still feel the blame is on the human behind the wheel. It is new tech that still has much much much more development before it can be 100% autonamis and people are acting like the tech is perfected. If anything, this has shown that autonamis cars are actually better then a majority of people in my opinion. One key factor being it will never drive exhausted, distracted, intoxicated, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 03/20/18 6:19:31 PM #60:	bulbinking posted... Look at the nerds making these things. They live in stop and go traffic on roads designed around commerce promotion. I dont see or hear of consulting with professional drivers and psychologistst. They are acting like cars and self driving tech is entirely engineering related while forgetting people have cultural instincts related to vehicles on top of many other complicating issues. Self driving cars cannot exist the way media presents us. What we will get instead is less freedom and control over ease of movement and make cross country travel more difficult. Somehow im sure the government will figure out a aay to make people have to pay for insurance. You guys are the commoners of the 50s believing in flying cars. How would you know anything about their process for developing these things? Why do you just assume they developed it in a vacuum and shit it out onto the road. Do you even know what is a development cycle? --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:898173194] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote>Look at the nerds making these things. They live in stop and go traffic on roads designed around commerce promotion. I dont see or hear of consulting with professional drivers and psychologistst. They are acting like cars and self driving tech is entirely engineering related while forgetting people have cultural instincts related to vehicles on top of many other complicating issues. Self driving cars cannot exist the way media presents us. What we will get instead is less freedom and control over ease of movement and make cross country travel more difficult. Somehow im sure the government will figure out a aay to make people have to pay for insurance. You guys are the commoners of the 50s believing in flying cars. </quote> How would you know anything about their process for developing these things? Why do you just assume they developed it in a vacuum and shit it out onto the road. Do you even know what is a development cycle?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 03/20/18 6:24:56 PM #61:	bulbi just trolls Best not to take his posts seriously --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:898173513] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote>bulbi just trolls Best not to take his posts seriously</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bulbinking 03/20/18 8:04:31 PM #62:	Smarkil posted... bulbinking posted... Look at the nerds making these things. They live in stop and go traffic on roads designed around commerce promotion. I dont see or hear of consulting with professional drivers and psychologistst. They are acting like cars and self driving tech is entirely engineering related while forgetting people have cultural instincts related to vehicles on top of many other complicating issues. Self driving cars cannot exist the way media presents us. What we will get instead is less freedom and control over ease of movement and make cross country travel more difficult. Somehow im sure the government will figure out a aay to make people have to pay for insurance. You guys are the commoners of the 50s believing in flying cars. How would you know anything about their process for developing these things? Why do you just assume they developed it in a vacuum and shit it out onto the road. Do you even know what is a development cycle? Do you have evidence to the contrary? I could tell you all sorts of ways I know what I do but you wont care or believe me because im saying something you dont like or hope isnt true. Most of the people here have their heads up their ass but thats the sort of people who are drawn to boards like this. I am here because I get off to scolding bad behavior and trolling narcissists. Yeah I admit im a weirdo to. Its not like these things are developing in a vacuum, you are right. Their process is very transparent and im not the only person pointing out these flaws. You would know that if you spent time talking to actual scientists and intellectuals instead of getting your opinions from mass media and niche videogame message boards. --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqscensorship.blogspot.com <cite>bulbinking posted [p:898179766] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote>Look at the nerds making these things. They live in stop and go traffic on roads designed around commerce promotion. I dont see or hear of consulting with professional drivers and psychologistst. They are acting like cars and self driving tech is entirely engineering related while forgetting people have cultural instincts related to vehicles on top of many other complicating issues. Self driving cars cannot exist the way media presents us. What we will get instead is less freedom and control over ease of movement and make cross country travel more difficult. Somehow im sure the government will figure out a aay to make people have to pay for insurance. You guys are the commoners of the 50s believing in flying cars. </quote> How would you know anything about their process for developing these things? Why do you just assume they developed it in a vacuum and shit it out onto the road. Do you even know what is a development cycle?</quote> Do you have evidence to the contrary? I could tell you all sorts of ways I know what I do but you wont care or believe me because im saying something you dont like or hope isnt true. Most of the people here have their heads up their ass but thats the sort of people who are drawn to boards like this. I am here because I get off to scolding bad behavior and trolling narcissists. Yeah I admit im a weirdo to. Its not like these things are developing in a vacuum, you are right. Their process is very transparent and im not the only person pointing out these flaws. You would know that if you spent time talking to actual scientists and intellectuals instead of getting your opinions from mass media and niche videogame message boards.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 03/20/18 9:35:56 PM #63:	bulbinking posted... You would know that if you spent time talking to actual scientists and intellectuals instead of getting your opinions from mass media and niche videogame message boards. I work in the tech industry in an area not too dissimilar from this. If you don't think they do their homework, it's because you're Charlie levels of conspiracy. --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:898185875] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote>You would know that if you spent time talking to actual scientists and intellectuals instead of getting your opinions from mass media and niche videogame message boards. </quote> I work in the tech industry in an area not too dissimilar from this. If you don't think they do their homework, it's because you're Charlie levels of conspiracy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bulbinking 03/20/18 9:48:09 PM #64:	Smarkil posted... bulbinking posted... You would know that if you spent time talking to actual scientists and intellectuals instead of getting your opinions from mass media and niche videogame message boards. I work in the tech industry in an area not too dissimilar from this. If you don't think they do their homework, it's because you're Charlie levels of conspiracy. They dont do the right homework. This is all being programmed with the idea all vehicles will get replaced or at least a majority will. Nobody should want this nor be preparing for it. --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqscensorship.blogspot.com <cite>bulbinking posted [p:898186687] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote>You would know that if you spent time talking to actual scientists and intellectuals instead of getting your opinions from mass media and niche videogame message boards. </quote> I work in the tech industry in an area not too dissimilar from this. If you don't think they do their homework, it's because you're Charlie levels of conspiracy. </quote> They dont do the right homework. This is all being programmed with the idea all vehicles will get replaced or at least a majority will. Nobody should want this nor be preparing for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dragon504 03/20/18 9:54:36 PM #65:	bulbinking posted... Smarkil posted... bulbinking posted... You would know that if you spent time talking to actual scientists and intellectuals instead of getting your opinions from mass media and niche videogame message boards. I work in the tech industry in an area not too dissimilar from this. If you don't think they do their homework, it's because you're Charlie levels of conspiracy. They dont do the right homework. This is all being programmed with the idea all vehicles will get replaced or at least a majority will. Nobody should want this nor be preparing for it. Why wouldn't we want most drivers replaced? --- http://myanimelist.net/profile/dragon504 http://followmy.tv/u/dragon504/time_wasted <cite>dragon504 posted [p:898187106] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote>You would know that if you spent time talking to actual scientists and intellectuals instead of getting your opinions from mass media and niche videogame message boards. </quote> I work in the tech industry in an area not too dissimilar from this. If you don't think they do their homework, it's because you're Charlie levels of conspiracy. </quote> They dont do the right homework. This is all being programmed with the idea all vehicles will get replaced or at least a majority will. Nobody should want this nor be preparing for it.</quote> Why wouldn't we want most drivers replaced?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/20/18 10:05:20 PM #66:	yutterh posted... bulbinking posted... Zeus posted... It's a damn shame, especially since this will set back progress by years. It's also worth remembering that in every incident so far, the error has been on the part of the other participant in the accident and it seems like that might be the case here as well. Krazy_Kirby posted... "but self driving cars are safe, guys" said lots of idiots.... They are safe.... for the driver. (Or, at least, safer than a human.) It takes two to get in an accident provided both vehicles/people were in motion. Even if it was the ladies fault, that is to imply no human has ever prevented or avoided an accident in which somebody was breaking the law and the safer driver does defensive driving to a oid accident or warn somebody else before crashing. Driver language and interactions are far too complex for even your average driver today to get all the nuances, how are bunch of deskjob geeks with typical or less driving experience going to program an ai capable of handling it all? The only way for ai cars to be 100% safer than the best driver on the road is if the best driver is forced to be in an ai car on the road. Human excellence is still an achievable goal, we have t hit some magical pinnacle of evolution yet and so many technologies in development right now revolve around the idea we can start retiring from society have robots do all of our physical activities like using our brains for manual labor is a waste or something. True, the best drivers can avoid most accidents. But how many good drivers are even really on the road? For every good driver there is hundreds if not thousands of worse ones. Luckily (knock on wood) I have avoided accidents because of my reaction time, keeping a safe distance, and watch everyone. But this scenario is my worse nightmare and why I hate driving in anyplace where people are walking. Cause then yoh have to watch for this exact thing. Now the car may have been able to pay attention to surroundings if it was human but that's why there is a human behind the wheel. Just because he isn't controlling the vehicle, doesn't mean he isn't co-piloting. He is there for a reason and I feel the human failed his job in this scenario and the others. I still feel the blame is on the human behind the wheel. It is new tech that still has much much much more development before it can be 100% autonamis and people are acting like the tech is perfected. If anything, this has shown that autonamis cars are actually better then a majority of people in my opinion. One key factor being it will never drive exhausted, distracted, intoxicated, etc. The thing is that most people wouldn't rather not pay attention. People are going to drive exhausted, distracted, intoxicated, etc... They won't understand why they can't if he car drives itself. People are going to do the same things they do while driving now. But pay even less attention. People who read the newspaper, put on make-up, eat breakfast, or whatever they do while to driving to and from work. Sure, we'll have laws. But laws aren't going to bring back someone who died because the driver wasn't paying attention. Or was drunk or sleep. And people are definitely going to be jumping in front of self-driving cars more often... I feel the death rates might lessen some... But, I would just rather not own a self-driving car. And I definitely wouldn't want to pay insurance for one... --- Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:898187826] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>It's a damn shame, especially since this will set back progress by years. It's also worth remembering that in every incident so far, the error has been on the part of the other participant in the accident and it seems like that might be the case here as well. <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted...</cite> <quote>"but self driving cars are safe, guys" said lots of idiots....</quote> They are safe.... for the driver. (Or, at least, safer than a human.)</quote> It takes two to get in an accident provided both vehicles/people were in motion. Even if it was the ladies fault, that is to imply no human has ever prevented or avoided an accident in which somebody was breaking the law and the safer driver does defensive driving to a oid accident or warn somebody else before crashing. Driver language and interactions are far too complex for even your average driver today to get all the nuances, how are bunch of deskjob geeks with typical or less driving experience going to program an ai capable of handling it all? The only way for ai cars to be 100% safer than the best driver on the road is if the best driver is forced to be in an ai car on the road. Human excellence is still an achievable goal, we have t hit some magical pinnacle of evolution yet and so many technologies in development right now revolve around the idea we can start retiring from society have robots do all of our physical activities like using our brains for manual labor is a waste or something.</quote> True, the best drivers can avoid most accidents. But how many good drivers are even really on the road? For every good driver there is hundreds if not thousands of worse ones. Luckily (knock on wood) I have avoided accidents because of my reaction time, keeping a safe distance, and watch everyone. But this scenario is my worse nightmare and why I hate driving in anyplace where people are walking. Cause then yoh have to watch for this exact thing. Now the car may have been able to pay attention to surroundings if it was human but that's why there is a human behind the wheel. Just because he isn't controlling the vehicle, doesn't mean he isn't co-piloting. He is there for a reason and I feel the human failed his job in this scenario and the others. I still feel the blame is on the human behind the wheel. It is new tech that still has much much much more development before it can be 100% autonamis and people are acting like the tech is perfected. If anything, this has shown that autonamis cars are actually better then a majority of people in my opinion. One key factor being it will never drive exhausted, distracted, intoxicated, etc.</quote> The thing is that most people wouldn't rather not pay attention. People are going to drive exhausted, distracted, intoxicated, etc... They won't understand why they can't if he car drives itself. People are going to do the same things they do while driving now. But pay even less attention. People who read the newspaper, put on make-up, eat breakfast, or whatever they do while to driving to and from work. Sure, we'll have laws. But laws aren't going to bring back someone who died because the driver wasn't paying attention. Or was drunk or sleep. And people are definitely going to be jumping in front of self-driving cars more often... I feel the death rates might lessen some... But, I would just rather not own a self-driving car. And I definitely wouldn't want to pay insurance for one...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 03/20/18 11:47:59 PM #67:	LinkPizza posted... The thing is that most people wouldn't rather not pay attention. People are going to drive exhausted, distracted, intoxicated, etc... They won't understand why they can't if he car drives itself. People are going to do the same things they do while driving now. But pay even less attention. People who read the newspaper, put on make-up, eat breakfast, or whatever they do while to driving to and from work. Sure, we'll have laws. But laws aren't going to bring back someone who died because the driver wasn't paying attention. Or was drunk or sleep. And people are definitely going to be jumping in front of self-driving cars more often... I feel the death rates might lessen some... But, I would just rather not own a self-driving car. And I definitely wouldn't want to pay insurance for one... What I am saying is that happens now, but so far it hasn't been because the vehicle got tired and went head on into traffic, or swirved into a sidewalk because it was intoxicated. Yeah it has some draw backs but it most likely would prevent more accidents then they cause. Just means pedestrians shouldn't jaywalk. Yeah the punishment of death doesn't fit the crime but raods are dangerous no matter what. Especially if your not paying attention if someone is driving on the road when your trying to cross. Like one day I saw some dumbass kids playing on a entrance ramp to a freeway. playing on their skateboards. I don't want them to get hit but they are putting themselves in unneeded danger. If you don't want to get hit by are car possible going on the should going 90MPH (which is illegal anyways but it happens) then don't play near the damn freeway. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT <cite>yutterh posted [p:898193520] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>The thing is that most people wouldn't rather not pay attention. People are going to drive exhausted, distracted, intoxicated, etc... They won't understand why they can't if he car drives itself. People are going to do the same things they do while driving now. But pay even less attention. People who read the newspaper, put on make-up, eat breakfast, or whatever they do while to driving to and from work. Sure, we'll have laws. But laws aren't going to bring back someone who died because the driver wasn't paying attention. Or was drunk or sleep. And people are definitely going to be jumping in front of self-driving cars more often... I feel the death rates might lessen some... But, I would just rather not own a self-driving car. And I definitely wouldn't want to pay insurance for one...</quote> What I am saying is that happens now, but so far it hasn't been because the vehicle got tired and went head on into traffic, or swirved into a sidewalk because it was intoxicated. Yeah it has some draw backs but it most likely would prevent more accidents then they cause. Just means pedestrians shouldn't jaywalk. Yeah the punishment of death doesn't fit the crime but raods are dangerous no matter what. Especially if your not paying attention if someone is driving on the road when your trying to cross. Like one day I saw some dumbass kids playing on a entrance ramp to a freeway. playing on their skateboards. I don't want them to get hit but they are putting themselves in unneeded danger. If you don't want to get hit by are car possible going on the should going 90MPH (which is illegal anyways but it happens) then don't play near the damn freeway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bulbinking 03/21/18 12:06:11 AM #68:	dragon504 posted... bulbinking posted... Smarkil posted... bulbinking posted... You would know that if you spent time talking to actual scientists and intellectuals instead of getting your opinions from mass media and niche videogame message boards. I work in the tech industry in an area not too dissimilar from this. If you don't think they do their homework, it's because you're Charlie levels of conspiracy. They dont do the right homework. This is all being programmed with the idea all vehicles will get replaced or at least a majority will. Nobody should want this nor be preparing for it. Why wouldn't we want most drivers replaced? So you support closed borders? Or are you just selective with your support of freedom of movement. --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqscensorship.blogspot.com <cite>bulbinking posted [p:898194319] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>dragon504 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote>You would know that if you spent time talking to actual scientists and intellectuals instead of getting your opinions from mass media and niche videogame message boards. </quote> I work in the tech industry in an area not too dissimilar from this. If you don't think they do their homework, it's because you're Charlie levels of conspiracy. </quote> They dont do the right homework. This is all being programmed with the idea all vehicles will get replaced or at least a majority will. Nobody should want this nor be preparing for it.</quote> Why wouldn't we want most drivers replaced?</quote> So you support closed borders? Or are you just selective with your support of freedom of movement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 03/21/18 1:46:39 AM #69:	bulbinking posted... They dont do the right homework. This is all being programmed with the idea all vehicles will get replaced or at least a majority will. Nobody should want this nor be preparing for it. Lol is that why they're testing them on regular roads with normal human drivers? Because they want all human drivers to be replaced? Self driving cars have been tested for millions of miles now and what, like two people MAYBE died due to their faults? --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:898198076] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote>They dont do the right homework. This is all being programmed with the idea all vehicles will get replaced or at least a majority will. Nobody should want this nor be preparing for it. </quote> Lol is that why they're testing them on regular roads with normal human drivers? Because they want all human drivers to be replaced? Self driving cars have been tested for millions of miles now and what, like two people MAYBE died due to their faults?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/21/18 4:00:22 AM #70:	Smarkil posted... bulbinking posted... They dont do the right homework. This is all being programmed with the idea all vehicles will get replaced or at least a majority will. Nobody should want this nor be preparing for it. Lol is that why they're testing them on regular roads with normal human drivers? Because they want all human drivers to be replaced? Self driving cars have been tested for millions of miles now and what, like two people MAYBE died due to their faults? Millions is probably way more than they've actually tested. Either way, not many people have died yet from the self-driving cars. But there aren't that many on the roads yet. Things could change once they are everywhere. Things will probably change a lot in smaller towns, too. More so than bigger cities, that is... --- Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:898201292] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote>They dont do the right homework. This is all being programmed with the idea all vehicles will get replaced or at least a majority will. Nobody should want this nor be preparing for it. </quote> Lol is that why they're testing them on regular roads with normal human drivers? Because they want all human drivers to be replaced? Self driving cars have been tested for millions of miles now and what, like two people MAYBE died due to their faults?</quote> Millions is probably way more than they've actually tested. Either way, not many people have died yet from the self-driving cars. But there aren't that many on the roads yet. Things could change once they are everywhere. Things will probably change a lot in smaller towns, too. More so than bigger cities, that is...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zebatov 03/21/18 6:01:25 AM #71:	At least it wasn't an animal. God forbid. --- lolmodhagomi <cite>zebatov posted [p:898203468] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote>At least it wasn't an animal. God forbid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 03/21/18 7:01:01 AM #72:	LinkPizza posted... Millions is probably way more than they've actually tested. https://www.recode.net/2016/10/5/13167364/google-self-driving-cars-2-million-miles Google alone broke the 2 million mark a year and a half ago. bulbinking posted... dragon504 posted... bulbinking posted... Smarkil posted... bulbinking posted... You would know that if you spent time talking to actual scientists and intellectuals instead of getting your opinions from mass media and niche videogame message boards. I work in the tech industry in an area not too dissimilar from this. If you don't think they do their homework, it's because you're Charlie levels of conspiracy. They dont do the right homework. This is all being programmed with the idea all vehicles will get replaced or at least a majority will. Nobody should want this nor be preparing for it. Why wouldn't we want most drivers replaced? So you support closed borders? Or are you just selective with your support of freedom of movement. The whole point of self-driving cars is that you retain full freedom of movement without having to be trusted with a 2-ton piece of metal. It's not a restriction of your ability to get around, it just means you don't have to hold the wheel. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:898204658] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Millions is probably way more than they've actually tested.</quote> https://www.recode.net/2016/10/5/13167364/google-self-driving-cars-2-million-miles Google alone broke the 2 million mark a year and a half ago. <cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dragon504 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote>You would know that if you spent time talking to actual scientists and intellectuals instead of getting your opinions from mass media and niche videogame message boards. </quote> I work in the tech industry in an area not too dissimilar from this. If you don't think they do their homework, it's because you're Charlie levels of conspiracy. </quote> They dont do the right homework. This is all being programmed with the idea all vehicles will get replaced or at least a majority will. Nobody should want this nor be preparing for it.</quote> Why wouldn't we want most drivers replaced?</quote> So you support closed borders? Or are you just selective with your support of freedom of movement.</quote> The whole point of self-driving cars is that you retain full freedom of movement without having to be trusted with a 2-ton piece of metal. It's not a restriction of your ability to get around, it just means you don't have to hold the wheel.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/21/18 7:10:16 AM #73:	adjl posted... The whole point of self-driving cars is that you retain full freedom of movement without having to be trusted with a 2-ton piece of metal. It's not a restriction of your ability to get around, it just means you don't have to hold the wheel. Is it full freedom of movement, though? What about off roading? Or just driving around town? Or taking a different route home and such? --- Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:898204838] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>The whole point of self-driving cars is that you retain full freedom of movement without having to be trusted with a 2-ton piece of metal. It's not a restriction of your ability to get around, it just means you don't have to hold the wheel.</quote> Is it full freedom of movement, though? What about off roading? Or just driving around town? Or taking a different route home and such?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 03/21/18 7:14:17 AM #74:	LinkPizza posted... adjl posted... The whole point of self-driving cars is that you retain full freedom of movement without having to be trusted with a 2-ton piece of metal. It's not a restriction of your ability to get around, it just means you don't have to hold the wheel. Is it full freedom of movement, though? What about off roading? Or just driving around town? Or taking a different route home and such? Presumably you can alter routes as desired, and manual override would allow for off-roading. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:898204926] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>The whole point of self-driving cars is that you retain full freedom of movement without having to be trusted with a 2-ton piece of metal. It's not a restriction of your ability to get around, it just means you don't have to hold the wheel.</quote> Is it full freedom of movement, though? What about off roading? Or just driving around town? Or taking a different route home and such?</quote> Presumably you can alter routes as desired, and manual override would allow for off-roading.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/21/18 7:16:40 AM #75:	adjl posted... LinkPizza posted... adjl posted... The whole point of self-driving cars is that you retain full freedom of movement without having to be trusted with a 2-ton piece of metal. It's not a restriction of your ability to get around, it just means you don't have to hold the wheel. Is it full freedom of movement, though? What about off roading? Or just driving around town? Or taking a different route home and such? Presumably you can alter routes as desired, and manual override would allow for off-roading. But would they allow manual overrides whenever? --- Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:898204970] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>The whole point of self-driving cars is that you retain full freedom of movement without having to be trusted with a 2-ton piece of metal. It's not a restriction of your ability to get around, it just means you don't have to hold the wheel.</quote> Is it full freedom of movement, though? What about off roading? Or just driving around town? Or taking a different route home and such?</quote> Presumably you can alter routes as desired, and manual override would allow for off-roading.</quote> But would they allow manual overrides whenever?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bulbinking 03/21/18 12:38:31 PM #76:	LinkPizza posted... adjl posted... LinkPizza posted... adjl posted... The whole point of self-driving cars is that you retain full freedom of movement without having to be trusted with a 2-ton piece of metal. It's not a restriction of your ability to get around, it just means you don't have to hold the wheel. Is it full freedom of movement, though? What about off roading? Or just driving around town? Or taking a different route home and such? Presumably you can alter routes as desired, and manual override would allow for off-roading. But would they allow manual overrides whenever? If you cant be trusted to drive a car why would a government subsidies company trust you to manually override the public autonomous car? (If you think youll be one of the licky few to privately own a private sdv LOLOLOL they will be 2-3 times prive of an average new car and just imagine how complicated insurance will be) --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqscensorship.blogspot.com <cite>bulbinking posted [p:898217917] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>The whole point of self-driving cars is that you retain full freedom of movement without having to be trusted with a 2-ton piece of metal. It's not a restriction of your ability to get around, it just means you don't have to hold the wheel.</quote> Is it full freedom of movement, though? What about off roading? Or just driving around town? Or taking a different route home and such?</quote> Presumably you can alter routes as desired, and manual override would allow for off-roading.</quote> But would they allow manual overrides whenever?</quote> If you cant be trusted to drive a car why would a government subsidies company trust you to manually override the public autonomous car? (If you think youll be one of the licky few to privately own a private sdv LOLOLOL they will be 2-3 times prive of an average new car and just imagine how complicated insurance will be)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 03/21/18 5:02:21 PM #77:	adjl posted... LinkPizza posted... Millions is probably way more than they've actually tested. https://www.recode.net/2016/10/5/13167364/google-self-driving-cars-2-million-miles Google alone broke the 2 million mark a year and a half ago. bulbinking posted... dragon504 posted... bulbinking posted... Smarkil posted... bulbinking posted... You would know that if you spent time talking to actual scientists and intellectuals instead of getting your opinions from mass media and niche videogame message boards. I work in the tech industry in an area not too dissimilar from this. If you don't think they do their homework, it's because you're Charlie levels of conspiracy. They dont do the right homework. This is all being programmed with the idea all vehicles will get replaced or at least a majority will. Nobody should want this nor be preparing for it. Why wouldn't we want most drivers replaced? So you support closed borders? Or are you just selective with your support of freedom of movement. The whole point of self-driving cars is that you retain full freedom of movement without having to be trusted with a 2-ton piece of metal. It's not a restriction of your ability to get around, it just means you don't have to hold the wheel. Exactly, It should be a helper incase you have to take your hands off of the wheel. Not the sole way to drive. It shouldn't replace drivers and be considered more like an advanced cruise control. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT <cite>yutterh posted [p:898233653] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Millions is probably way more than they've actually tested.</quote> https://www.recode.net/2016/10/5/13167364/google-self-driving-cars-2-million-miles Google alone broke the 2 million mark a year and a half ago. <cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dragon504 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote><cite>bulbinking posted...</cite> <quote>You would know that if you spent time talking to actual scientists and intellectuals instead of getting your opinions from mass media and niche videogame message boards. </quote> I work in the tech industry in an area not too dissimilar from this. If you don't think they do their homework, it's because you're Charlie levels of conspiracy. </quote> They dont do the right homework. This is all being programmed with the idea all vehicles will get replaced or at least a majority will. Nobody should want this nor be preparing for it.</quote> Why wouldn't we want most drivers replaced?</quote> So you support closed borders? Or are you just selective with your support of freedom of movement.</quote> The whole point of self-driving cars is that you retain full freedom of movement without having to be trusted with a 2-ton piece of metal. It's not a restriction of your ability to get around, it just means you don't have to hold the wheel.</quote> Exactly, It should be a helper incase you have to take your hands off of the wheel. Not the sole way to drive. It shouldn't replace drivers and be considered more like an advanced cruise control.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/21/18 5:10:24 PM #78:	yutterh posted... Exactly, It should be a helper incase you have to take your hands off of the wheel. Not the sole way to drive. It shouldn't replace drivers and be considered more like an advanced cruise control. I wouldn't mind upgrading cars to help drive better. But I probably wouldn't ever take my hands off the wheel. Or let the car drive itself... --- Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:898234163] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>Exactly, It should be a helper incase you have to take your hands off of the wheel. Not the sole way to drive. It shouldn't replace drivers and be considered more like an advanced cruise control.</quote> I wouldn't mind upgrading cars to help drive better. But I probably wouldn't ever take my hands off the wheel. Or let the car drive itself...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 03/21/18 5:35:14 PM #79:	LinkPizza posted... yutterh posted... Exactly, It should be a helper incase you have to take your hands off of the wheel. Not the sole way to drive. It shouldn't replace drivers and be considered more like an advanced cruise control. I wouldn't mind upgrading cars to help drive better. But I probably wouldn't ever take my hands off the wheel. Or let the car drive itself... That's the thing, you don't have too. But someone else might want to for various reasons. Kids, map, sneeze, exhausted, etc. a lot of reason why having the utility is safer then not. Hell if a drunk driver wants to put it on auto pilot insted of driving, that is 100% safer. I rather give people the option's, yeah it be better to not drive drunk at all but people will do what people do and this would be much safer with them on the road then not. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT <cite>yutterh posted [p:898235753] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>Exactly, It should be a helper incase you have to take your hands off of the wheel. Not the sole way to drive. It shouldn't replace drivers and be considered more like an advanced cruise control.</quote> I wouldn't mind upgrading cars to help drive better. But I probably wouldn't ever take my hands off the wheel. Or let the car drive itself...</quote> That's the thing, you don't have too. But someone else might want to for various reasons. Kids, map, sneeze, exhausted, etc. a lot of reason why having the utility is safer then not. Hell if a drunk driver wants to put it on auto pilot insted of driving, that is 100% safer. I rather give people the option's, yeah it be better to not drive drunk at all but people will do what people do and this would be much safer with them on the road then not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 03/21/18 5:36:46 PM #80:	Human brains are faster than super computers, what do you expect to happen? It'll only go up with more of them on the road --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:898235844] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote>Human brains are faster than super computers, what do you expect to happen? It'll only go up with more of them on the road</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 03/21/18 5:37:38 PM #81:	Muscles posted... Human brains are faster than super computers, what do you expect to happen? It'll only go up with more of them on the road Everything about your post is incorrect. --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:898235906] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muscles posted...</cite> <quote>Human brains are faster than super computers, what do you expect to happen? It'll only go up with more of them on the road</quote> Everything about your post is incorrect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 03/21/18 5:45:56 PM #82:	https://www.techworm.net/2015/08/human-brain-30-times-faster-than-best-supercomputers.html --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:898236394] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote>https://www.techworm.net/2015/08/human-brain-30-times-faster-than-best-supercomputers.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bulbinking 03/21/18 5:45:59 PM #83:	yutterh posted... Exactly, It should be a helper incase you have to take your hands off of the wheel. Not the sole way to drive. It shouldn't replace drivers and be considered more like an advanced cruise control. Except it will replace individual autonomous movement over long distances, this isnt conspiracy as plenty of people state this as goal and plenty of people in the public forum state they would love to live in a world like this. These people are literally criminally insane for liking the idea of taking away another persons freedoms for ANY reason, and the people who think they will still get to drive in the future will be powerless to change things back once it becomes law. You useful idiots! Its like the only reason I havent offed myself to avoid living in the inevitable dystopia you are creating (versions of which already exist around the world in modern nations) is so I can rub it in your faces right after the boot gets done rubbing your faces. I will live through the misery sustaining myself on causing suffering to the people who helped enact the changes which now cause me suffering. --- Qc_Stryder 5/21/2015 6:58:09 AM posted... Mods- Protectors of feelings https://gamefaqscensorship.blogspot.com <cite>bulbinking posted [p:898236400] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>Exactly, It should be a helper incase you have to take your hands off of the wheel. Not the sole way to drive. It shouldn't replace drivers and be considered more like an advanced cruise control.</quote> Except it will replace individual autonomous movement over long distances, this isnt conspiracy as plenty of people state this as goal and plenty of people in the public forum state they would love to live in a world like this. These people are literally criminally insane for liking the idea of taking away another persons freedoms for ANY reason, and the people who think they will still get to drive in the future will be powerless to change things back once it becomes law. You useful idiots! Its like the only reason I havent offed myself to avoid living in the inevitable dystopia you are creating (versions of which already exist around the world in modern nations) is so I can rub it in your faces right after the boot gets done rubbing your faces. I will live through the misery sustaining myself on causing suffering to the people who helped enact the changes which now cause me suffering.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/21/18 5:48:07 PM #85:	yutterh posted... LinkPizza posted... yutterh posted... Exactly, It should be a helper incase you have to take your hands off of the wheel. Not the sole way to drive. It shouldn't replace drivers and be considered more like an advanced cruise control. I wouldn't mind upgrading cars to help drive better. But I probably wouldn't ever take my hands off the wheel. Or let the car drive itself... That's the thing, you don't have too. But someone else might want to for various reasons. Kids, map, sneeze, exhausted, etc. a lot of reason why having the utility is safer then not. Hell if a drunk driver wants to put it on auto pilot insted of driving, that is 100% safer. I rather give people the option's, yeah it be better to not drive drunk at all but people will do what people do and this would be much safer with them on the road then not. But that was the problem that we were talking about earlier. They say that the driver would have to be alert the whole time. They aren't allowed to drive exhausted or drunk. Because they have to be watching so you can take control whenever needed. --- Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:898236533] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>Exactly, It should be a helper incase you have to take your hands off of the wheel. Not the sole way to drive. It shouldn't replace drivers and be considered more like an advanced cruise control.</quote> I wouldn't mind upgrading cars to help drive better. But I probably wouldn't ever take my hands off the wheel. Or let the car drive itself...</quote> That's the thing, you don't have too. But someone else might want to for various reasons. Kids, map, sneeze, exhausted, etc. a lot of reason why having the utility is safer then not. Hell if a drunk driver wants to put it on auto pilot insted of driving, that is 100% safer. I rather give people the option's, yeah it be better to not drive drunk at all but people will do what people do and this would be much safer with them on the road then not.</quote> But that was the problem that we were talking about earlier. They say that the driver would have to be alert the whole time. They aren't allowed to drive exhausted or drunk. Because they have to be watching so you can take control whenever needed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 03/21/18 6:16:59 PM #86:	LinkPizza posted... yutterh posted... LinkPizza posted... yutterh posted... Exactly, It should be a helper incase you have to take your hands off of the wheel. Not the sole way to drive. It shouldn't replace drivers and be considered more like an advanced cruise control. I wouldn't mind upgrading cars to help drive better. But I probably wouldn't ever take my hands off the wheel. Or let the car drive itself... That's the thing, you don't have too. But someone else might want to for various reasons. Kids, map, sneeze, exhausted, etc. a lot of reason why having the utility is safer then not. Hell if a drunk driver wants to put it on auto pilot insted of driving, that is 100% safer. I rather give people the option's, yeah it be better to not drive drunk at all but people will do what people do and this would be much safer with them on the road then not. But that was the problem that we were talking about earlier. They say that the driver would have to be alert the whole time. They aren't allowed to drive exhausted or drunk. Because they have to be watching so you can take control whenever needed. Agreed, but wouldn't you rather have a dumbass who wants to drive drunk use the auto pilot or try driving drunk? If you can be alert then absolutely do so. but if you are unable to, then use the auto pilot. Cause even if the auto pilot does get in an accident, it will be going at a slower speed then someone who won't be able to properly control the vehicle. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT <cite>yutterh posted [p:898238283] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>Exactly, It should be a helper incase you have to take your hands off of the wheel. Not the sole way to drive. It shouldn't replace drivers and be considered more like an advanced cruise control.</quote> I wouldn't mind upgrading cars to help drive better. But I probably wouldn't ever take my hands off the wheel. Or let the car drive itself...</quote> That's the thing, you don't have too. But someone else might want to for various reasons. Kids, map, sneeze, exhausted, etc. a lot of reason why having the utility is safer then not. Hell if a drunk driver wants to put it on auto pilot insted of driving, that is 100% safer. I rather give people the option's, yeah it be better to not drive drunk at all but people will do what people do and this would be much safer with them on the road then not.</quote> But that was the problem that we were talking about earlier. They say that the driver would have to be alert the whole time. They aren't allowed to drive exhausted or drunk. Because they have to be watching so you can take control whenever needed.</quote> Agreed, but wouldn't you rather have a dumbass who wants to drive drunk use the auto pilot or try driving drunk? If you can be alert then absolutely do so. but if you are unable to, then use the auto pilot. Cause even if the auto pilot does get in an accident, it will be going at a slower speed then someone who won't be able to properly control the vehicle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 03/21/18 6:29:49 PM #87:	Muscles posted... https://www.techworm.net/2015/08/human-brain-30-times-faster-than-best-supercomputers.html Sure our neurons fire faster and information travels faster in our brain, but we cant actually process or utilize information at anywhere near the speed of computers --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:898239018] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muscles posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.techworm.net/2015/08/human-brain-30-times-faster-than-best-supercomputers.html</quote> Sure our neurons fire faster and information travels faster in our brain, but we cant actually process or utilize information at anywhere near the speed of computers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/21/18 7:02:13 PM #88:	yutterh posted... LinkPizza posted... yutterh posted... LinkPizza posted... yutterh posted... Exactly, It should be a helper incase you have to take your hands off of the wheel. Not the sole way to drive. It shouldn't replace drivers and be considered more like an advanced cruise control. I wouldn't mind upgrading cars to help drive better. But I probably wouldn't ever take my hands off the wheel. Or let the car drive itself... That's the thing, you don't have too. But someone else might want to for various reasons. Kids, map, sneeze, exhausted, etc. a lot of reason why having the utility is safer then not. Hell if a drunk driver wants to put it on auto pilot insted of driving, that is 100% safer. I rather give people the option's, yeah it be better to not drive drunk at all but people will do what people do and this would be much safer with them on the road then not. But that was the problem that we were talking about earlier. They say that the driver would have to be alert the whole time. They aren't allowed to drive exhausted or drunk. Because they have to be watching so you can take control whenever needed. Agreed, but wouldn't you rather have a dumbass who wants to drive drunk use the auto pilot or try driving drunk? If you can be alert then absolutely do so. but if you are unable to, then use the auto pilot. Cause even if the auto pilot does get in an accident, it will be going at a slower speed then someone who won't be able to properly control the vehicle. Hard to say. It very situational. Even a drunk or exhausted person might be able to read the body language of a person about to cross the street. Which I don't think the car will do. Also, I've seen some drunk drivers who have driven slower than the speed limit to not get pulled over. And someone who's drunk or tired might get slowed down by a guardrail before hit another car of person. But, it some cases, a self-driving car could be better. I would rather no one drive drunk or tired. Or distracted. Whether they have a self-driving car or not. But I can't say for sure that I would rather someone be in a self-driving car distracted. They could end up causing accidents that could've been avoiding without one. Not to mention, more people will feel more comfortable driving under distracted conditions. Or tired or drunk. Which could end up worse... and pesdeatrians on the sidewalk might start feeling more comfortable because of he self driving cars, which could put them on more danger because they could do something stupid like jaywalking thinking they could beat a self-driving car, which could cause another accident... But I think it situational. Sometimes, it would be better. But it also could be worse. So, I can't fully say that I would rather in that case... --- Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:898241006] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>Exactly, It should be a helper incase you have to take your hands off of the wheel. Not the sole way to drive. It shouldn't replace drivers and be considered more like an advanced cruise control.</quote> I wouldn't mind upgrading cars to help drive better. But I probably wouldn't ever take my hands off the wheel. Or let the car drive itself...</quote> That's the thing, you don't have too. But someone else might want to for various reasons. Kids, map, sneeze, exhausted, etc. a lot of reason why having the utility is safer then not. Hell if a drunk driver wants to put it on auto pilot insted of driving, that is 100% safer. I rather give people the option's, yeah it be better to not drive drunk at all but people will do what people do and this would be much safer with them on the road then not.</quote> But that was the problem that we were talking about earlier. They say that the driver would have to be alert the whole time. They aren't allowed to drive exhausted or drunk. Because they have to be watching so you can take control whenever needed.</quote> Agreed, but wouldn't you rather have a dumbass who wants to drive drunk use the auto pilot or try driving drunk? If you can be alert then absolutely do so. but if you are unable to, then use the auto pilot. Cause even if the auto pilot does get in an accident, it will be going at a slower speed then someone who won't be able to properly control the vehicle.</quote> Hard to say. It very situational. Even a drunk or exhausted person might be able to read the body language of a person about to cross the street. Which I don't think the car will do. Also, I've seen some drunk drivers who have driven slower than the speed limit to not get pulled over. And someone who's drunk or tired might get slowed down by a guardrail before hit another car of person. But, it some cases, a self-driving car could be better. I would rather no one drive drunk or tired. Or distracted. Whether they have a self-driving car or not. But I can't say for sure that I would rather someone be in a self-driving car distracted. They could end up causing accidents that could've been avoiding without one. Not to mention, more people will feel more comfortable driving under distracted conditions. Or tired or drunk. Which could end up worse... and pesdeatrians on the sidewalk might start feeling more comfortable because of he self driving cars, which could put them on more danger because they could do something stupid like jaywalking thinking they could beat a self-driving car, which could cause another accident... But I think it situational. Sometimes, it would be better. But it also could be worse. So, I can't fully say that I would rather in that case...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rjsilverthorn 03/21/18 7:56:59 PM #89:	So they released the video: https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/21/uber-tempe-self-driving-crash-video/ <cite>rjsilverthorn posted [p:898244481] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote>So they released the video: https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/21/uber-tempe-self-driving-crash-video/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/21/18 8:00:57 PM #90:	Wow. --- Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:898244719] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote>Wow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 03/21/18 8:01:52 PM #91:	rjsilverthorn posted... So they released the video: https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/21/uber-tempe-self-driving-crash-video/ i'm not surprised they were looking down so much and taking their eyes off the road but this is one of the problems with AVs. people get a false sense of security. you still need to be vigilant and aware. that said that lady popped the fuck up out of nowhere and it's sad but that's what fucking crosswalks are for. i can't tell you the amount of times in this city people try to cross 6-8 lanes of traffic out of the crosswalk. just standing in the turning lane waiting for the next 3 lanes to clear. it's fucking ridiculous. --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:898244787] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>rjsilverthorn posted...</cite> <quote>So they released the video: https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/21/uber-tempe-self-driving-crash-video/</quote> i'm not surprised they were looking down so much and taking their eyes off the road but this is one of the problems with AVs. people get a false sense of security. you still need to be vigilant and aware. that said that lady popped the fuck up out of nowhere and it's sad but that's what fucking crosswalks are for. i can't tell you the amount of times in this city people try to cross 6-8 lanes of traffic out of the crosswalk. just standing in the turning lane waiting for the next 3 lanes to clear. it's fucking ridiculous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dreaming_King 03/21/18 8:04:15 PM #92:	Imagine if we stopped every scientific project when someone died. We'd still be in the stone age probably. --- Nil- <cite>Dreaming_King posted [p:898244918] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote>Imagine if we stopped every scientific project when someone died. We'd still be in the stone age probably.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 03/21/18 8:11:27 PM #93:	Jen0125 posted... rjsilverthorn posted... So they released the video: https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/21/uber-tempe-self-driving-crash-video/ i'm not surprised they were looking down so much and taking their eyes off the road but this is one of the problems with AVs. people get a false sense of security. you still need to be vigilant and aware. that said that lady popped the fuck up out of nowhere and it's sad but that's what fucking crosswalks are for. i can't tell you the amount of times in this city people try to cross 6-8 lanes of traffic out of the crosswalk. just standing in the turning lane waiting for the next 3 lanes to clear. it's fucking ridiculous. That's what I'm worried about. That false sense of security... --- Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:898245355] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>rjsilverthorn posted...</cite> <quote>So they released the video: https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/21/uber-tempe-self-driving-crash-video/</quote> i'm not surprised they were looking down so much and taking their eyes off the road but this is one of the problems with AVs. people get a false sense of security. you still need to be vigilant and aware. that said that lady popped the fuck up out of nowhere and it's sad but that's what fucking crosswalks are for. i can't tell you the amount of times in this city people try to cross 6-8 lanes of traffic out of the crosswalk. just standing in the turning lane waiting for the next 3 lanes to clear. it's fucking ridiculous.</quote> That's what I'm worried about. That false sense of security...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 03/21/18 8:16:26 PM #94:	LinkPizza posted... Jen0125 posted... rjsilverthorn posted... So they released the video: https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/21/uber-tempe-self-driving-crash-video/ i'm not surprised they were looking down so much and taking their eyes off the road but this is one of the problems with AVs. people get a false sense of security. you still need to be vigilant and aware. that said that lady popped the fuck up out of nowhere and it's sad but that's what fucking crosswalks are for. i can't tell you the amount of times in this city people try to cross 6-8 lanes of traffic out of the crosswalk. just standing in the turning lane waiting for the next 3 lanes to clear. it's fucking ridiculous. That's what I'm worried about. That false sense of security... yeah, it'll definitely lead to problems but honestly i think less than currently. people text and drive already with NO back up system to help. --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:898245629] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>rjsilverthorn posted...</cite> <quote>So they released the video: https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/21/uber-tempe-self-driving-crash-video/</quote> i'm not surprised they were looking down so much and taking their eyes off the road but this is one of the problems with AVs. people get a false sense of security. you still need to be vigilant and aware. that said that lady popped the fuck up out of nowhere and it's sad but that's what fucking crosswalks are for. i can't tell you the amount of times in this city people try to cross 6-8 lanes of traffic out of the crosswalk. just standing in the turning lane waiting for the next 3 lanes to clear. it's fucking ridiculous.</quote> That's what I'm worried about. That false sense of security...</quote> yeah, it'll definitely lead to problems but honestly i think less than currently. people text and drive already with NO back up system to help.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 03/21/18 8:17:57 PM #95:	Dreaming_King posted... Imagine if we stopped every scientific project when someone died. We'd still be in the stone age probably. This might be the smartest post youve ever made. --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:898245727] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dreaming_King posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine if we stopped every scientific project when someone died. We'd still be in the stone age probably.</quote> This might be the smartest post youve ever made.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
madadude 03/21/18 8:48:51 PM #96:	Jen0125 posted... rjsilverthorn posted... So they released the video: https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/21/uber-tempe-self-driving-crash-video/ i'm not surprised they were looking down so much and taking their eyes off the road but this is one of the problems with AVs. people get a false sense of security. you still need to be vigilant and aware. that said that lady popped the fuck up out of nowhere and it's sad but that's what fucking crosswalks are for. i can't tell you the amount of times in this city people try to cross 6-8 lanes of traffic out of the crosswalk. just standing in the turning lane waiting for the next 3 lanes to clear. it's fucking ridiculous. This. Even when its rush hour and the sidewalk isnt that far away, people in Tempe commonly cross halfway stand in the turn lane for who knows how long, and then keep crossing. --- http://www.last.fm/user/madadude17 <cite>madadude posted [p:898247486] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>rjsilverthorn posted...</cite> <quote>So they released the video: https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/21/uber-tempe-self-driving-crash-video/</quote> i'm not surprised they were looking down so much and taking their eyes off the road but this is one of the problems with AVs. people get a false sense of security. you still need to be vigilant and aware. that said that lady popped the fuck up out of nowhere and it's sad but that's what fucking crosswalks are for. i can't tell you the amount of times in this city people try to cross 6-8 lanes of traffic out of the crosswalk. just standing in the turning lane waiting for the next 3 lanes to clear. it's fucking ridiculous.</quote> This. Even when its rush hour and the sidewalk isnt that far away, people in Tempe commonly cross halfway stand in the turn lane for who knows how long, and then keep crossing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
madadude 03/21/18 8:50:43 PM #97:	Also i agree, very uncomfortable about how he wasnt watching the road, but even if he was I still think she would have been hit with how quickly she popped out of nowhere. Even if he was in full control of the vehicle I think its likely he would have hit her --- http://www.last.fm/user/madadude17 <cite>madadude posted [p:898247595] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote>Also i agree, very uncomfortable about how he wasnt watching the road, but even if he was I still think she would have been hit with how quickly she popped out of nowhere. Even if he was in full control of the vehicle I think its likely he would have hit her</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 03/21/18 8:51:48 PM #98:	madadude posted... Jen0125 posted... rjsilverthorn posted... So they released the video: https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/21/uber-tempe-self-driving-crash-video/ i'm not surprised they were looking down so much and taking their eyes off the road but this is one of the problems with AVs. people get a false sense of security. you still need to be vigilant and aware. that said that lady popped the fuck up out of nowhere and it's sad but that's what fucking crosswalks are for. i can't tell you the amount of times in this city people try to cross 6-8 lanes of traffic out of the crosswalk. just standing in the turning lane waiting for the next 3 lanes to clear. it's fucking ridiculous. This. Even when its rush hour and the sidewalk isnt that far away, people in Tempe commonly cross halfway stand in the turn lane for who knows how long, and then keep crossing. I saw people on Rural and Southern yesterday by the frys weaving in between driving cars instead of walking 50 feet to the corner to get to the crosswalk. It was nuts. --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:898247657] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>madadude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>rjsilverthorn posted...</cite> <quote>So they released the video: https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/21/uber-tempe-self-driving-crash-video/</quote> i'm not surprised they were looking down so much and taking their eyes off the road but this is one of the problems with AVs. people get a false sense of security. you still need to be vigilant and aware. that said that lady popped the fuck up out of nowhere and it's sad but that's what fucking crosswalks are for. i can't tell you the amount of times in this city people try to cross 6-8 lanes of traffic out of the crosswalk. just standing in the turning lane waiting for the next 3 lanes to clear. it's fucking ridiculous.</quote> This. Even when its rush hour and the sidewalk isnt that far away, people in Tempe commonly cross halfway stand in the turn lane for who knows how long, and then keep crossing.</quote> I saw people on Rural and Southern yesterday by the frys weaving in between driving cars instead of walking 50 feet to the corner to get to the crosswalk. It was nuts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 03/21/18 9:03:59 PM #99:	madadude posted... Also i agree, very uncomfortable about how he wasnt watching the road, but even if he was I still think she would have been hit with how quickly she popped out of nowhere. Even if he was in full control of the vehicle I think its likely he would have hit her Yeah their isno way it would have been humanly possible to stop. As sad as it is, it was the pedestrians fault. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT <cite>yutterh posted [p:898248370] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote><cite>madadude posted...</cite> <quote>Also i agree, very uncomfortable about how he wasnt watching the road, but even if he was I still think she would have been hit with how quickly she popped out of nowhere. Even if he was in full control of the vehicle I think its likely he would have hit her</quote> Yeah their isno way it would have been humanly possible to stop. As sad as it is, it was the pedestrians fault.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
madadude 03/22/18 1:40:36 AM #100:	Actually I've kind of changed my opinion. I just drove down the road past the exact place where the accident happened, and you can see the road the whole way, it is nowhere near as dark as it appears in the video, which I think is just kind of common when you film in low light. Someone paying attention would have noticed them I believe at least a second or two before the headlights went directly on them, but of course who knows if it could have been avoided. --- http://www.last.fm/user/madadude17 <cite>madadude posted [p:898262126] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote>Actually I've kind of changed my opinion. I just drove down the road past the exact place where the accident happened, and you can see the road the whole way, it is nowhere near as dark as it appears in the video, which I think is just kind of common when you film in low light. Someone paying attention would have noticed them I believe at least a second or two before the headlights went directly on them, but of course who knows if it could have been avoided.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 03/22/18 1:57:48 AM #101:	Awful that she died, the lady walked directly in front of a car going at high speed though The guy in the car of course should have been paying attention, he made a very human mistake though as did the woman crossing the street --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:898262680] in Uber suspe... [t:76431557]...</cite> <quote>Awful that she died, the lady walked directly in front of a car going at high speed though The guy in the car of course should have been paying attention, he made a very human mistake though as did the woman crossing the street</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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