Current Events > Nikolas Cruz the Florida shooter regrets and is deeply sad, shares the pain.

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Doe posted...

Clearly he's not fit to be in society, but that's partially because he surely has some mental disorder going on. I hear the fbi new of his plans since last year but did jack shit

They didn't know of his plans, per se, but they were tipped off he had made comments about school shootings online.
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How is a 17 person slaughter a "momentary lapse of judgement"...
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Doe posted...

Clearly he's not fit to be in society, but that's partially because he surely has some mental disorder going on. I hear the fbi new of his plans since last year but did jack shit

Being an alt right white supremacist isn't officially a mental disorder
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Th3Truth posted...

Interesting. TC goes after Xsquader like he's Hitler, despite Xsquader having an admitted mental illness and whose crimes are tiny compared to this but he defends this guy as a momentary lapse of judgement.

Xsquader has never shown one ounce of remorse for anything hes ever done. After attempting to "stress test" my connection multiple times without any reflection i'm less understanding of him.

Rika_Furude posted...

How is a 17 person slaughter a "momentary lapse of judgement"...

Because the entire event was one all encompassing moment in time. You wouldn't be able to say the same for example of a serial killer.
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Mental health is an issue, but I honestly think these kids don't think consequences fucking exist any more. They just want to do whatever the fuck they want to do by and large and have some of the thinnest skin ever. "This guy makes me mad? I'll shoot him." "My valentines day is shit? I'll just go out and kill whoever I see, I can grab a gun from the house." "What!? I'm going to prison for the rest of my life!? Now i'm sad...:(" That, I chalk up to utterly garbage parenting.

iClockwork posted...

Th3Truth posted...

Interesting. TC goes after Xsquader like he's Hitler, despite Xsquader having an admitted mental illness and whose crimes are tiny compared to this but he defends this guy as a momentary lapse of judgement.

Xsquader has never shown one ounce of remorse for anything hes ever done. After attempting to "stress test" my connection multiple times without any reflection i'm less understanding of him.

Rika_Furude posted...

How is a 17 person slaughter a "momentary lapse of judgement"...

Because the entire event was one all encompassing moment in time. You wouldn't be able to say the same for example of a serial killer.

Good point, they said it only took 3 minutes.

So another case for if he didn't have a gun that powerful or a gun at all, less people would be dead.
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R_Jackal posted...

Mental health is an issue, but I honestly think these kids don't think consequences fucking exist any more. They just want to do whatever the fuck they want to do by and large and have some of the thinnest skin ever. "This guy makes me mad? I'll shoot him." "My valentines day is shit? I'll just go out and kill whoever I see, I can grab a gun from the house." "What!? I'm going to prison for the rest of my life!? Now i'm sad...:(" That, I chalk up to utterly garbage parenting.

Agreed! Like dude got expelled and dumped.

Where was his parents to console him and help him take a step back and reevaluate what he's doing with his life.
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DoubleDare posted...

Good point, they said it only took 3 minutes.

In 3 minutes it's entirely plausible to have these thoughts and realizations.

"Fuck this i'm going to do it, i'm going to kill everyone."

to

"Oh shit! I've actually killed people what am I doing, these are people I've shared hallways with. This might be a mistake."

to

"What have I done? I was angry and wanted others to feel this way but there's blood pooling on the floor and they aren't moving."

That is the moment he drops the gun and randomly runs to a Walmart.
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iClockwork posted...

DoubleDare posted...

Good point, they said it only took 3 minutes.

In 3 minutes it's entirely plausible to have these thoughts and realizations.

"Fuck this i'm going to do it, i'm going to kill everyone."

to

"Oh shit! I've actually killed people what am I doing, these are people I've shared hallways with. This might be a mistake."

to

"What have I done? I was angry and wanted others to feel this way but there's blood pooling on the floor and they aren't moving."

That is the moment he drops the gun and randomly runs to a Walmart.

You don't sound very mentally stable yourself
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Still have to pay the consequence for your actions. If God can forgive them than I will too.

If he had only killed one person and stopped, I'd maybe believe this.

You don't feel sad after killing 17 people, though. At least not for them.
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Someone's weapon should've 'accidentally discharged' into this kid until the magazine was empty when they arrested him.
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Th3Truth posted...

So all he has to do is say "damn I fucked up" once and you'll turn a complete 180 on him?

I haven't turned a 180 on anyone. Try reading the posts before spouting ignorance.

GiftedACIII posted...

You don't sound very mentally stable yourself

Having empathy makes a person unstable? I'd say the opposite is true. I'd take a look inwards if I were you.
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iClockwork posted...

Having empathy makes a person unstable? I'd say the opposite is true. I'd take a look inwards if I were you.

Sympathizing with a mass murderer and thinking it's plausible to think like them is, yeah. Pretty sure you're just a trolling contrarian, a more aggressive Unfair though.
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Of course that's what his lawyer is going to say, it's the only way Cruz can potentially avoid the death penalty. I don't believe it for a second.
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This is weak bait, and apathetic.
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GiftedACIII posted...

Sympathizing with a mass murderer and thinking it's plausible to think like them is, yeah. Pretty sure you're just a trolling contrarian, a more aggressive Unfair though.

Anybody given the perfect blend of circumstances is capable of similar thoughts and actions as this young man took. To say otherwise would reveal how little you know about the human psyche.

Th3Truth posted...

Way to dodge the rest of my post. So you really are just shitposting. Gotcha.

Give a reason i'm obligated to respond to every point in every post you make.
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iClockwork posted...

Anybody given the perfect blend of circumstances is capable of similar thoughts and actions as this young man took.

lmao this can't be a serious post. Only people who are extremely mentally unstable would think this. Get help.
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GiftedACIII posted...

iClockwork posted...

Anybody given the perfect blend of circumstances is capable of similar thoughts and actions as this young man took.

lmao this can't be a serious post. Only people who are extremely mentally unstable would think this. Get help.

Except its been proven time and time again in psychiatric studies. Again i'd suggest educating yourself a bit.
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iClockwork posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

iClockwork posted...

Anybody given the perfect blend of circumstances is capable of similar thoughts and actions as this young man took.

lmao this can't be a serious post. Only people who are extremely mentally unstable would think this. Get help.

Except its been proven time and time again in psychiatric studies. Again i'd suggest educating yourself a bit.

Give me a source that the average person can go on a mass shooting rampage. I'll wait. Do you think "anybody given the perfect blend of circumstances " is capable of child rape too?
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My roommate went to this school and remembered the guy. Said he was always trying to piss people off.

Rest in peace all of the victims :(
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GiftedACIII posted...

Give me a source that the average person can go on a mass shooting rampage.

Nice strawman you attempted to setup, never said the average person can go on a mass shooting rampage. I said the exact opposite of that in fact. Remain ignorant on the subject though, not my problem.

GiftedACIII posted...

Do you think "anybody given the perfect blend of circumstances " is capable of child rape too?

Nope because sexual attraction has more to do with biology than circumstances such as bullying that lead to the types of behavior that unfolded yesterday.

Classic Nature vs. Nurture
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Th3Truth posted...

This guy has a history of being a horrible person.

History of being a subjectively bad person =/= the enormity of a single action such as murder.

Th3Truth posted...

Maybe you'd forgive a Nazi who experimented on children as long as they said "my bad" (which a bunch of them did) too?

Nope because that implies a sustained and numerous amount of actions rather than a single impulsive action.

Not sure why people are struggling so hard to understand this basic concept and then attempt to setup strawmen.
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iClockwork posted...

Nice strawman you attempted to setup, never said the average person can go on a mass shooting rampage. I said the exact opposite of that in fact. Remain ignorant on the subject though, not my problem.

In 3 minutes it's entirely plausible to have these thoughts and realizations.

"f*** this i'm going to do it, i'm going to kill everyone."

to

"Oh s***! I've actually killed people what am I doing, these are people I've shared hallways with. This might be a mistake."

to

"What have I done? I was angry and wanted others to feel this way but there's blood pooling on the floor and they aren't moving."

That is the moment he drops the gun and randomly runs to a Walmart.

You said anyone could be driven to have these thoughts which is total bullshit only mentally unstable people could think because mentally stable people don't go on killing rampages. So again, give a source. You can't because you're either trolling or severely mentally unstable.
iClockwork posted...

Nope because sexual attraction has more to do with biology than circumstances such as bullying that lead to the types of behavior that unfolded yesterday.

Classic Nature vs. Nurture

lol speaking of ignorance, studies have said that quite a large percentage of pedophiles were developed due to being sexually abused as a child themselves. So you have no idea what you're talking about. Seek professional help, you need it.
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GiftedACIII posted...

You said anyone could be driven to have these thoughts

That is not what I said. Again nice strawman you've attempted to setup.

GiftedACIII posted...

lol speaking of ignorance, studies have said that quite a large percentage of pedophiles were developed due to being sexually abused as a child themselves. So you have no idea what you're talking about. Seek professional help, you need it.

Nope wrong. You don't even know the difference between a pedophile and a child molester.

Child molesters continue the cycle of harm because of previous personal abuse as a child.

A pedophile is simply someone who is attracted to children and has no correlation to being previously abused. It's a natural attraction.

You're so far out of you element at this point its becoming hard to engage in a meaningful way.
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iClockwork posted...

That is not what I said. Again nice strawman you've attempted to setup.

So then what did you say, and provide a source to back it up. lol you're just bullshitting and trolling a mass murder for who knows what reason. What happened in your life to get it as sad to this point?
iClockwork posted...

Nope wrong. You don't even know the difference between a pedophile and a child molester.

Child molesters continue the cycle of harm because of previous personal abuse as a child.

A pedophile is simply someone who is attracted to children and has no correlation to being previously abused. It's a natural attraction.

You're so far out of you element at this point its becoming hard to engage in a meaningful way.

LOL you just made my argument for me. If a child molester continues the cycle from previous abuse and not a natural attraction then by your own logic "anybody can be a child rapist given the perfect blend of circumstances" such as being abused as a child. You're hopeless.
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You don't get to call something that actually had planning put into it and multiple steps to pull off (acquiring the firearm, acquiring the ammo, getting to the school, pulling the alarm, etc) a "momentary lapse of judgement".
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He's only sad cause he got caught.

there goes his insanity plea

did the lawyer just mess this up for him? hopefully
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LeadPipeCinche posted...

He's only sad cause he got caught.

Truth, its like if someone sees a hooker then gets caught.
Except like 100000 times worse.
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Th3Truth posted...

iClockwork posted...

Th3Truth posted...

This guy has a history of being a horrible person.

History of being a subjectively bad person =/= the enormity of a single action such as murder.

Th3Truth posted...

Maybe you'd forgive a Nazi who experimented on children as long as they said "my bad" (which a bunch of them did) too?

Nope because that implies a sustained and numerous amount of actions rather than a single impulsive action.

Not sure why people are struggling so hard to understand this basic concept and then attempt to setup strawmen.

Oh yeah, having a history of assaulting people and a criminal record suddenly aren't sustained and numerous actions. You can't honestly be this stupid can you?

He's got to be a contrarian. I looked through a few of his topics and he's shitted on both extreme leftists and rightists but then later defended them for the same stuff he shitted on them for. He's apparently in alt right mode right now. Otherwise, he needs to be monitored
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Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

there goes his insanity plea

did the lawyer just mess this up for him? hopefully

Insanity pleadings have an extremely low chance of finding success, period. Evidence would need to be introduced that he suffered from severe mental illness such that he could not understand what he was doing or the consequences of his actions, or that he could not understand what he was doing was wrong.

I find it difficult to believe that he would be diagnosed with something akin to paranoid schizophrenia in which it could be shown that his connection with reality was up in the air.
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The fact he's still drawing breath either proves the success or failure of the justice system <_<
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wackyteen posted...

The fact he's still drawing breath either proves the success or failure of the justice system <_<

Wut

why?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

wackyteen posted...

The fact he's still drawing breath either proves the success or failure of the justice system <_<

Wut

why?

Success because he's getting his trial(s)

Failure because there is no justice in him still being alive
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CE doesn't understand that one of the only ways to really stop evil like this is by being able to empathize and figure how the perpetrator felt and what they were thinking leading up to such a heinous act. It's nothing to do with condoning or minimizing any actions and everything to do with prevention.
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3deep5u posted...

CE doesn't understand that one of the only ways to really stop evil like this is by being able to empathize and figure how the perpetrator felt and what they were thinking leading up to such a heinous act. It's nothing to do with condoning or minimizing any actions and everything to do with prevention.

He hung out with and got training from a radical white supremacist group and visited alt-right parts of the internet

I wonder why he felt and thought the way he did
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3deep5u posted...

CE doesn't understand that one of the only ways to really stop evil like this is by being able to empathize and figure how the perpetrator felt and what they were thinking leading up to such a heinous act. It's nothing to do with condoning or minimizing any actions and everything to do with prevention.

You are definitely downplaying and minimizing his actions when you call a premeditated mass murder a momentary lapse of judgment.
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GiftedACIII posted...

You are definitely downplaying and minimizing his actions when you call a premeditated mass murder a momentary lapse of judgment.

Obviously, but the idea of being able to empathize with them is not crazy and is actually useful.
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3deep5u posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

You are definitely downplaying and minimizing his actions when you call a premeditated mass murder a momentary lapse of judgment.

Obviously, but the idea of being able to empathize with them is not crazy and is actually useful.

Yes, empathize, not sympathize.
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Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

there goes his insanity plea

did the lawyer just mess this up for him? hopefully

Probably not.
When the kid was caught yesterday he told the cops that he did it.

iClockwork posted...

boxington posted...

pretty low to troll about a tragedy like this

Nobodys trolling dude. Literally a person made a terrible decision and it will cost him his life to. This in no way takes away from the victims and honestly it kinda makes me just as sick that people fetishize punishment.

Bad decision sounds like trying to eat as many Jalapenos as you can in one minute. Planning a massacre, and killing 17 people is a bit more, its not like someone does that and is like "whoops". If he gets away or hell, even keeps his life what kind of message does that tell to other fucked up people?
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While I believe it's possible for a person to have mental and emotional clarity after performing such a terrible thing, it would probably be naive to let it affect his sentencing much. Take the death penalty off the table if his pentience can be proven sincere.

But if it can be proven, we have a psychological unicorn here. A person who perpetrated a mass shooting, didnt kill themself, and apparently is both lucid and pentient. If anyone could interview/study him and that research lead to the decreasing of future incidents, I'd be okay with him having a few years knocked off his sentence.
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AlisLandale posted...

But if it can be proven, we have a psychological unicorn here. A person who perpetrated a mass shooting, didnt kill themself, and apparently is both lucid and pentient. If anyone could interview/study him and that research lead to the decreasing of future incidents, I'd be okay with him having a few years knocked off his sentence.

CE wants him killed tortuously ASAP because vengeance gets us far as a species
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