Current Events > Android 17 is absurdly strong and it infuriates me (Dragonball Super)

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Blue_Popo
02/12/18 11:34:59 PM
#1:


I just can't get past the asspull power

Frieza at least trained

Trunks at least has saiyan genetics

Kefla was a fusion

Why is Android 17 so strong? What was the point of Cell? Why did Beerus come to earth to fight Goku when 17 was probably stronger? Or did he level up from beating super poachers between BoG and the ToP?

So far he has landed the best hit on Jiren, the guy that fought Hit's heart punch, UI and tanked a full power final flash.
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A_Good_Boy
02/12/18 11:36:48 PM
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Stop caring about power levels when the show can't even figure out how time or non-flight should work. Just turn your brain off and enjoy the pew pew and pow pow.
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LiqiudusSnake
02/12/18 11:37:59 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Stop caring about power levels when the show can't even figure out how time or non-flight should work. Just turn your brain off and enjoy the pew pew and pow pow.


This so much.

GT is better btw
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Raikuro
02/12/18 11:38:40 PM
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maybe they forgot Super 17 isn't canon lol
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AngelsNAirwav3s
02/12/18 11:53:59 PM
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All we can hope for is that the manga tells a more coherent story. At least so far we have only seen 17 at SSJ3 tier.

Honestly I would have much rather had Gohan and 17 switch places in the anime, why not let Gohan last this long and fight Jiren? 17 should have gone out with Dyspo. Terrible story writing.
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Dark_SilverX
02/12/18 11:57:05 PM
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LiqiudusSnake posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Stop caring about power levels when the show can't even figure out how time or non-flight should work. Just turn your brain off and enjoy the pew pew and pow pow.


GT is better btw

Yes it is.
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GS4Life
02/13/18 12:13:48 AM
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I mean when 17 was introduced him and 18 two-shotted the guy that killed Freeza, not the biggest asspull in DBS.
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Scotty_Rogers
02/13/18 11:35:30 PM
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He fucking sucks.

Gohan should have his role in the tournament
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metralo
02/13/18 11:36:48 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
why not let Gohan last this long and fight Jiren?


because people bitch and moan incessantly about how sayians are the only ones worth anything in the show

now its REEE bring back sayians
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Blue_Popo
02/13/18 11:38:39 PM
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Should have gave piccolo the Namekian God Boost
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s0nicfan
02/13/18 11:39:08 PM
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I don't see how this pisses people off. We hadn't seen him on screen for like 5 arcs, he flat out said he was training the entire time he was doing his solo thing, and the saiyans have always been scrubs that have to train extra hard to get strong which is why Frieza nearly surpassed them with a few days of working at it. Combined with the fact that he doesn't give off a ki signature, he has infinite ki as an android, and his barrier is mostly defensive... I just don't see where the outrage comes from.
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Unsugarized_Foo
02/13/18 11:39:27 PM
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He used a laptop and did some sketchy stuff and boom, he's top tier
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s0nicfan
02/13/18 11:40:30 PM
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Scotty_Rogers posted...
Gohan should have his role in the tournament


Gohan had like a dozen chances to shine in the tournament, and in every instance the "book smart I study not train" Gohan failed to come up with a plan. He spent most of his time just following other people's orders, or letting Piccolo get his arms repeatedly blown off when he should have just used trigonometry to find the source.
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Kaname_Madoka
02/13/18 11:40:51 PM
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i agree, hes just a s***ty rip off of tien

>was stronger than goku and wanted to kill goku for fun
>goku surpasses him
>becomes good guy
>dies trying to save the world

the difference is tien is a real character whereas 17 is just an emo plot device to make cell transform/to sell figures to fangirls
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NINExATExSEVEN
02/13/18 11:41:26 PM
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Well he clearly got stronger over time. Why is that hard to believe?
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A_Good_Boy
02/13/18 11:42:42 PM
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Kaname_Madoka posted...
i agree, hes just a s***ty rip off of tien

>was stronger than goku and wanted to kill goku for fun
>goku surpasses him
>becomes good guy
>dies trying to save the world

the difference is tien is a real character whereas 17 is just an emo plot device to make cell transform/to sell figures to fangirls

Literally every damn character except for Gohan, Krillin, and Roshi is someone that initially tried to kill Goku only to become his friend later. This ain't Tien exclusive.
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cuttin_in_farm
02/13/18 11:43:03 PM
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Well he clearly got stronger over time. Why is that hard to believe?


Tien trained nonstop. 17 got a family and fights poachers.
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Galcian
02/13/18 11:43:58 PM
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I always thought 17 trained through his time not seen on the show
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--Zero-
02/13/18 11:44:06 PM
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CE shouldn't talk about dragon ball lol. TC did you watch the show? It's explained he trained and his power core made him stronger over time. Also you think Jiren isn't gonna hold back his punches so he doesn't kill the fighters?
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Scotty_Rogers
02/14/18 5:47:27 AM
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@s0nicfan posted...
Gohan had like a dozen chances to shine in the tournament


He's had plenty of shine in this arc, and so has 17.

and in every instance the "book smart I study not train" Gohan failed to come up with a plan.


Bullshit. He came up with smart plans against Obuni, the Invisible guy and Dyspo.

Seeing Gohan, the son of the main character and someone who's appeared plenty of times throughout the whole series, sacrifice his life to save Goku would have been a lot more emotional than seeing 17 do it.
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0AbsoluteZero0
02/14/18 5:55:37 AM
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If anything that happens on Dragonball legitimately infuriates you, you probably need to reevaluate your life.
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jumi
02/14/18 5:55:53 AM
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If you think about it, it was stupid of him to sacrifice himself to save Goku AND Vegeta. If he had let one of them die, then Jiren is disqualified and Universe 7 wins.
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Tyranthraxus
02/14/18 6:06:07 AM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
All we can hope for is that the manga tells a more coherent story.

This doesn't matter because Super manga isn't canon.
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Tropicalwood
02/14/18 6:07:06 AM
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17 just wasn't trying in Z
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Scotty_Rogers
02/14/18 6:07:55 AM
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@jumi posted...
If you think about it, it was stupid of him to sacrifice himself to save Goku AND Vegeta. If he had let one of them die, then Jiren is disqualified and Universe 7 wins.


Jineric wasn't gonna kill anyone of them; just blow them all off the arena. In order to stop that, 17 had to kill himself.
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jumi
02/14/18 8:56:41 AM
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Scotty_Rogers posted...
@jumi posted...
If you think about it, it was stupid of him to sacrifice himself to save Goku AND Vegeta. If he had let one of them die, then Jiren is disqualified and Universe 7 wins.


Jineric wasn't gonna kill anyone of them; just blow them all off the arena. In order to stop that, 17 had to kill himself.


They were smashed into the ground. That was a kill shot.
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Funkydog
02/14/18 9:01:06 AM
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jumi posted...
Scotty_Rogers posted...
@jumi posted...
If you think about it, it was stupid of him to sacrifice himself to save Goku AND Vegeta. If he had let one of them die, then Jiren is disqualified and Universe 7 wins.


Jineric wasn't gonna kill anyone of them; just blow them all off the arena. In order to stop that, 17 had to kill himself.


They were smashed into the ground. That was a kill shot.

I don't think Jiren is that stupid, as that would mean he'd lose. Was probably just going to destroy everything around them so they fell out.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
02/14/18 9:05:02 AM
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17 is pretty much just showing off how well equipped the androids are for a tournament like this.

Literally can push at full power for an obscene amount of time, absorb KI blasts, and was designed to destroy Goku, who even at his original SSJ level is more powerful than a lot of the fighters at the tournament.
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Irony
02/14/18 9:05:58 AM
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DBS has inconsistent bullshit power levels? Color me shocked
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yusiko
02/14/18 9:24:20 AM
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
17 is pretty much just showing off how well equipped the androids are for a tournament like this.


Both 17 and 18 were great in this tournament
18 even has one of the highest number of eliminations under her belt
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A_Good_Boy
02/14/18 9:27:13 AM
#33:


Funkydog posted...
jumi posted...
Scotty_Rogers posted...
@jumi posted...
If you think about it, it was stupid of him to sacrifice himself to save Goku AND Vegeta. If he had let one of them die, then Jiren is disqualified and Universe 7 wins.


Jineric wasn't gonna kill anyone of them; just blow them all off the arena. In order to stop that, 17 had to kill himself.


They were smashed into the ground. That was a kill shot.

I don't think Jiren is that stupid, as that would mean he'd lose. Was probably just going to destroy everything around them so they fell out.

This is dumber than Batman tossing people off of roof and running them over with his car while claiming he's never killed anybody. You can only push the disbelief so far.
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Guy_Fieri
02/14/18 9:29:57 AM
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Irony posted...
DBS has inconsistent bullshit power levels? Color me shocked

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RickyTheBAWSE
02/14/18 9:31:07 AM
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17 can't be sensed, so nobody would know if/when he was training in the time between the tournament and him being resurrected after Cell's death.

he always had an ego and never wanted to be bested, though. so I guess I could see him training just to make sure nobody ever punked him like that again.
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yusiko
02/14/18 9:34:44 AM
#36:


the real issue is andriod 18
we never see her training or anything like that

i mean we know by default she is one of the stronger characters
but then she went toe to toe against ribrienne and won despite ribrienne being able to go toe to toe with goku and vegeta

though to be fair ribrienne was just fighting them at base form
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voldothegr8
02/14/18 9:35:46 AM
#37:


Goku was right to say he's glad 17 is a good guy now, dude is a monster. Those barrier techs are nasty.
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_Near_
02/14/18 9:39:04 AM
#38:


Guy_Fieri posted...
Irony posted...
DBS has inconsistent bullshit power levels? Color me shocked


this

seriously guys, this is dragon ball we're talking about

what do you expect

personally, i'd rather other characters get stronger so we don't have the same 3 saiyans beating everyone. but i do agree that it makes more sense for characters who were training (tien, krillin) to be stronger.
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Funkydog
02/14/18 9:43:13 AM
#39:


A_Good_Boy posted...
This is dumber than Batman tossing people off of roof and running them over with his car while claiming he's never killed anybody. You can only push the disbelief so far.

This is dragonball. You seem to be expecting far too much of it.
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FluttershyPony
02/14/18 9:43:22 AM
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Even in GT he was stronger than SSJ4, so why are you complaining 22 years later?
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tremain07
02/14/18 9:59:12 AM
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He's been more useful than Freiza's worthless ass. God damn what a waste of a slot he ended up being Roshi helped out more than him, if Android 21 were canon she'd be more of a help than him,too.
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A_Good_Boy
02/14/18 10:00:52 AM
#42:


Funkydog posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
This is dumber than Batman tossing people off of roof and running them over with his car while claiming he's never killed anybody. You can only push the disbelief so far.

This is dragonball. You seem to be expecting far too much of it.

I expect absolutely nothing and it still pisses me off. I'm like Scotty Rogers now.
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tremain07
02/14/18 10:05:24 AM
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Yeah, what about Trunk's super saiyan rage form putting him on SSB level?
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Funkydog
02/14/18 10:20:05 AM
#44:


tremain07 posted...
He's been more useful than Freiza's worthless ass. God damn what a waste of a slot he ended up being Roshi helped out more than him, if Android 21 were canon she'd be more of a help than him,too.

It has been amusing to see him get his arse kicked though.
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Notti
02/16/18 5:57:13 AM
#45:


17 is so BS.

But... desperate for more DBZ, this is the best I'm gonna get so I tolerate it.
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jumi
02/16/18 9:35:05 PM
#46:


tremain07 posted...
He's been more useful than Freiza's worthless ass. God damn what a waste of a slot he ended up being Roshi helped out more than him, if Android 21 were canon she'd be more of a help than him,too.


They should've brought Cell back instead.
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kuwab0
02/16/18 9:37:02 PM
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Go_Totodile
02/16/18 9:42:03 PM
#48:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Stop caring about power levels when the show can't even figure out how time or non-flight should work. Just turn your brain off and enjoy the pew pew and pow pow.

Exactly this. Super has shit over power scaling so badly that its not worth it to worry about that.
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Kineth
02/16/18 9:43:23 PM
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jumi posted...
tremain07 posted...
He's been more useful than Freiza's worthless ass. God damn what a waste of a slot he ended up being Roshi helped out more than him, if Android 21 were canon she'd be more of a help than him,too.


They should've let toned and trained Buu fight instead.


Yeah
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Kineth
02/16/18 9:44:12 PM
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Go_Totodile posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Stop caring about power levels when the show can't even figure out how time or non-flight should work. Just turn your brain off and enjoy the pew pew and pow pow.

Exactly this. Super has shit over power scaling so badly that its not worth it to worry about that.


Super seems to actually be about martial arts moreso than simple power levels, tbh.
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