Current Events > I don't understand how Christians over in the US can approve of Trump.

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I understand why the populist alt-right movement approve of him. I understand why nationalists approve of him. I understand why corporatists approve of him.

But why do so many devout Christians seemingly approve of him? Trump is an incredibly sinful man and he shows no remorse over it. He is prideful, vain, selfish, greedy, gluttonous, wrathful and driven by physical lusts. Humans have desires but he doesnt even try to suppress them it seems. Instead he embraces the decadence.

My very devout maternal grandmother, may she rest in peace, who strived to walk in the light of the Lord despite having lived a very hard life would be beyond mortified if she knew about Trump.

Donald Trump is in my opinion a false idol who pretends to be a shepherd.
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it's simple.
you antagonize Christians, Christians will vote the person that against the people who antagonized them.
happens in every nations and religions.
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because he's white and in the red color party
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They're able to overlook his various personal failings because he promotes the conservative agenda.

While he's not a conservative at heart, he's rather easily swayed by whoever has his ear at the moment.

So, if you can get into his good graces he can do shit like ban trans people from the military or advocate to overturn the Johnson amendment.

Because at their core, the religious right, like any political group, are more concerned with pushing their agenda than with actual morality. It's especially shitty for them, though, because they still try to retain the moral high ground when they've obviously lost it a long time ago.
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And Hillary, a woman who surrounds herself with sinful men like Harvey Weinstein, Anthony Weiner, and Bill Clinton, is better?
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They don't approve of him as another Christian, they approve of him as the President in spite of his moral failings because they realize they can't expect every politician to be a saint or even remotely close to one, so they support someone that can best represent their political interests, not their religion or morals.
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Ricemills posted...

it's simple.
you antagonize Christians, Christians will vote the person that against the people who antagonized them.
happens in every nations and religions.

_Near_ posted...

They're able to overlook his various personal failings because he promotes the conservative agenda.

While he's not a conservative at heart, he's rather easily swayed by whoever has his ear at the moment.

So, if you can get into his good graces he can do shit like ban trans people from the military or advocate to overturn the Johnson amendment.

Because at their core, the religious right, like any political group, are more concerned with pushing their agenda than with actual morality. It's especially shitty for them, though, because they still try to retain the moral high ground when they've obviously lost it a long time ago.

This makes sense - I can see it. There isnt much religion in politics where I live which is why it becomes so foreign to me. The Champions of Christianity here place full focus on being a good fellow man who help those in need the best they can.

Rob Cesternino posted...

And Hillary, a woman who surrounds herself with sinful men like Harvey Weinstein, Anthony Weiner, and Bill Clinton, is better?

I am not American so I wont pretend to be on one of your two teams. It must be possible to criticize one without this weak deflecting to the other. And I am talking about devout Christians who didnt merely vote for Trump with their fingers across their nose to block out the smell but who actually support him. Hillary is a sinner too but how does that justify Trumps actions?
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If I was allowed to vote for people I approve of based on my religion then there would be nobody running because nobody meets the standards.
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Rob Cesternino posted...

And Hillary, a woman who surrounds herself with sinful men like Harvey Weinstein, Anthony Weiner, and Bill Clinton, is better?

No. Who even said she was?

You ever hear the saying "blood is thicker than water"? Well, politics are thicker than religion.

Never underestimate the motivational power of spite
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I'm honestly becoming a Glenn Beck fan because he's one of the only people to show himself to be a true Christian and opposed Trump.
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Trump hates Muslims. Misery loves company.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/05/a-match-made-in-heaven/521409/

EDIT: I also read another piece that I can't find now about how evangelicals love to be victims, which jives really well with Trump.
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Rob Cesternino posted...

And Hillary, a woman who surrounds herself with sinful men like Harvey Weinstein, Anthony Weiner, and Bill Clinton, is better?

Sigh. American politics in a nutshell.

Rob Cesternino posted...

And Hillary, a woman who surrounds herself with sinful men like Harvey Weinstein, Anthony Weiner, and Bill Clinton, is better?

A Sage with a spaced name...

I expected more from you, Bobby.
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Evangelical Christianity in this country is more a political machine than a religious one, and generally has little relation to the actual teachings of Christ. As we've seen, you can be the literal embodiment of the seven deadly sins and still get overwhelming support just as long as you pay lip service to their causes.

There's also the laughable bit of heresy known as the "prosperity gospel" that's gained traction in America for some reason.
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RaptorLC posted...

There's also the laughable bit of heresy known as the "prosperity gospel" that's gained traction in America for some reason.

I mean other scams gain traction, why wouldn't a faith based one work?
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littlebro07 posted...

Rob Cesternino posted...

And Hillary, a woman who surrounds herself with sinful men like Harvey Weinstein, Anthony Weiner, and Bill Clinton, is better?

A Sage with a spaced name...

I expected more from you, Bobby.

That boy ain't right
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I think Trump has been okay as president

But if you watch the media, you would think he's the devil incarnate. TBH I'm more concerned about the sheer hatred of Trump in this country (which is mainly caused by media bias) than anything Trump himself has done.
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Abortion. It's that simple.

Because they are morally bankrupt. They are more interested in acquiring power over others than they are in promoting their actual supposed values.
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These people who claim to be Christians don't give an ever living fuck about the faith as long as white man is in office. Obama was wear closer the ideal man of god they say they want.
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Paragon21XX posted...

They don't approve of him as another Christian, they approve of him as the President in spite of his moral failings because they realize they can't expect every politician to be a saint or even remotely close to one, so they support someone that can best represent their political interests, not their religion or morals.

this is the only good response in this topic BTW
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cjsdowg posted...

These people who claim to be Christians don't give an ever living fuck about the faith as long as white man is in office. Obama was wear closer the ideal man of god they say they want.

Yeah, because Obama was totes anti-Abortion and did not like Muslims.

cjsdowg posted...

These people who claim to be Christians don't give an ever living fuck about the faith as long as white man is in office. Obama was wear closer the ideal man of god they say they want.

Exactly. Obama was much more of a good Christian man than Trump is, and evangelicals hated Obama.
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Im getting interesting responses so thank you.
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Tbqh outside of the South and its fundamentalist baptist bullshit churches, most fellow Christians I talk to and many clergy I know personally strongly disapprove of Trump.
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Its a balancing test. Sure, Trump does some pretty abhorrent things, but hes still better than a Democrat.

Its like deciding between having a bad haircut or being decapitated.
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Nomadic View posted...

Its a balancing test. Sure, Trump does some pretty abhorrent things, but hes still better than a Democrat.

Its like deciding between having a bad haircut or being decapitated.

You don't actually believe any of this, do you?
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He promotes their hate.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Its a balancing test. Sure, Trump does some pretty abhorrent things, but hes still better than a Democrat.

Its like deciding between having a bad haircut or being decapitated.

You don't actually believe any of this, do you?

Of course not. Trump doesnt actually do abhorrent things.


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Amen brother. Hail Satan
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Ammonitida posted...

Yeah, because Obama was totes anti-Abortion and did not like Muslims.

One Obama is not a Muslim , people literally complained about his Christian church , and abortions went down under Obama .So yeah on both of those accounts those assholes should have been loving him.
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I imagine many are fine to overlook his sins because they believe he is pro-life and has the ability to change abortion laws
like, that's worth it to them
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prince_leo posted...

I imagine many are fine to overlook his sins because they believe he is pro-life and has the ability to change abortion laws
like, that's worth it to them

There is a frighteningly large number of people that vote for candidates solely based on their abortion stance.
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cjsdowg posted...

Ammonitida posted...

Yeah, because Obama was totes anti-Abortion and did not like Muslims.

One Obama is not a Muslim , people literally complained about his Christian church , and abortions went down under Obama .So yeah on both of those accounts those assholes should have been loving him.

One, no one here said Obama was a Muslim. However, an anti-Muslim stance is certainly appealing to lots of Christians, especially evangelicals.

Two, Trump was anti-abortion during his campaign whereas Obama never was regardless of whether or not abortions went down under his presidency (so fucking what?).

Three, people complained (not just Christians) about his church because its leader was an anti-American bigot who told lies to his congregation (like for example, that the white man invented the AIDS virus to wipe out black people).

So NO.

Ammonitida posted...

One, no one here said Obama was a Muslim. However, an anti-Muslim stance is certainly appealing to lots of Christians, especially evangelicals....

From what I heard Wright she he believed the US government was had the capability to do such a thing. And the US's record when it comes to how they treat black people when it comes to this stuff is not one that is not with out his black eyes. Beyond ,that statement is far less horrible than the stuff said on the 700 club.
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Ammonitida posted...

However, an anti-Muslim stance is certainly appealing to lots of Christians

Only those who never bothered to read and follow the Bible.

Ammonitida posted...

especially evangelicals.

That's a bingo.
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Because right wing evangelical Christians don't really give a shit about Jesus or his teachings.

"Christian" is just a code word for "People like me" with an excuse to be an asshole.
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BalanceLost posted...

I understand why corporatists approve of him.

Didn't he get a lot of people to vote for him by convincing them that he's the opposite of a corporatist?
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He is giving them what they want.
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cjsdowg posted...

Ammonitida posted...

One, no one here said Obama was a Muslim. However, an anti-Muslim stance is certainly appealing to lots of Christians, especially evangelicals....

From what I heard Wright she he believed the US government was had the capability to do such a thing. And the US's record when it comes to how they treat black people when it comes to this stuff is not one that is not with out his black eyes. Beyond ,that statement is far less horrible than the stuff said on the 700 club.

Utter bullshit. He outright asserted multiple times that white people invented the AIDS virus to use as a weapon of genocide against black people. He even cited conspiracy theorist Leonard Horowitz to support this falsehood.

Guess who also pushed this "blood libel"? Louis Farrakhan.

Red First. God Second.
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Ammonitida posted...

Utter bulls***. He outright asserted multiple times that white people invented the AIDS virus to use as a weapon of genocide against black people. He even cited conspiracy theorist Leonard Horowitz to support this falsehood.

Guess who also pushed this "blood libel"? Louis Farrakhan.

This blood libel, that term does not fit here in any way.
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RaptorLC posted...

Evangelical Christianity in this country is more a political machine than a religious one, and generally has little relation to the actual teachings of Christ. As we've seen, you can be the literal embodiment of the seven deadly sins and still get overwhelming support just as long as you pay lip service to their causes.

There's also the laughable bit of heresy known as the "prosperity gospel" that's gained traction in America for some reason.

Suddenly, I'm reminded of 700 Club and dumb Pat Robertson, which I'm not happy to say does not live but a mere 20 mins from me.
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Ricemills posted...

it's simple.
you antagonize Christians, Christians will vote the person that against the people who antagonized them.
happens in every nations and religions.

Who antagonizes Christians?

byrone posted...

Ricemills posted...

it's simple.
you antagonize Christians, Christians will vote the person that against the people who antagonized them.
happens in every nations and religions.

Who antagonizes Christians?

Nobody. It's a victim complex.
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