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KingButz 02/05/18 11:22:24 AM #401:	WiggumFan267 posted... , pestilence, The rioters introduced an epidemic of contagious disease to the city? That does sound bad --- no <cite>KingButz posted [p:895502008] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>WiggumFan267 posted...</cite> <quote>, pestilence,</quote> The rioters introduced an epidemic of contagious disease to the city? That does sound bad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/05/18 11:50:40 AM #402:	neonreaper posted... Suprak the Stud posted... I'm also not saying "Tom Brady is a bum replace him with Matt Cassel and nothing changes!" I'm saying "Tom Brady is very good but there are other comparable players in the league even during the time he was active, and swap in someone like Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees and I doubt anything would change." Meanwhile there is absolutely no one I would even consider near Belichick's level. There is no comparable person I'd say "oh, yeah, if person x had built the Patriots around Brady instead of Belichick I bet they'd have also been a dynasty too." You need both for the dynasty, to have a multi-decade run like this, you need both the best coach and the best QB. Belichick nails a few things... he changes the Pats systems every few years so they don't have to overpay for the level of quality he wants. If everyone runs the 3-4, he switches to the 4-3 (not always.) He also values versatility, which helps sub packages, which means they don't usually get caught the same way other teams do. He also kept away from drives that ended in long field goal attempts, because they tended to yield the same average field position as turnovers. That has changed a little bit, but, for a while a lot of coaches would be happy to drive 45 yards and try a long FG. Remember the old 'blame the kicker' mentality, but Belichick would rather blame the coach. They also understand that the success of the offense relies on the success of the QB. That sounds obvious, but many teams just try to get a good QB and good WRs and a good OC, and don't really play to everyone's strengths. Almost every NFL QB is a good QB, and a few are great. But how many offenses are truly cohesive? Who would I pick? Falcons were up 28-3 and the players were explicitly afraid of Tom Brady beating them. And Brady by far had a better 2017 than Billy Billy. The Patriots came back not because oh Tom Brady remembered he was good but because Belichick is literally the best second half adjuster of all time. Again, Im not even convinced Brady is the best quarterback of his era, while Belichick unquestionable is the best coach. Name QBs as almost good or better than Brady while he was playing and I could rattle off a decent list. Name coaches almost as good or better than Belichick while he was coaching and no one even comes close. Obviously Brady is very good, but tell me he gets swapped out for Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc and the Patriots have likely almost just as many Super Bowls. Say Belichick gets swapped out for literally any coach you want to name I dont care who at the beginning and they are responsible for the team building around Brady and they likely have zero. Brady is not a transcendent player. Belichick is a transcendent coach. Its sort of the opposite of Green Bays situation, where I think almost any other coach in the league right now could get more out of Rodgers than what theyre currently getting. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:895503482] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>neonreaper posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>I'm also not saying "Tom Brady is a bum replace him with Matt Cassel and nothing changes!" I'm saying "Tom Brady is very good but there are other comparable players in the league even during the time he was active, and swap in someone like Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees and I doubt anything would change." Meanwhile there is absolutely no one I would even consider near Belichick's level. There is no comparable person I'd say "oh, yeah, if person x had built the Patriots around Brady instead of Belichick I bet they'd have also been a dynasty too."</quote> You need both for the dynasty, to have a multi-decade run like this, you need both the best coach and the best QB. Belichick nails a few things... he changes the Pats systems every few years so they don't have to overpay for the level of quality he wants. If everyone runs the 3-4, he switches to the 4-3 (not always.) He also values versatility, which helps sub packages, which means they don't usually get caught the same way other teams do. He also kept away from drives that ended in long field goal attempts, because they tended to yield the same average field position as turnovers. That has changed a little bit, but, for a while a lot of coaches would be happy to drive 45 yards and try a long FG. Remember the old 'blame the kicker' mentality, but Belichick would rather blame the coach. They also understand that the success of the offense relies on the success of the QB. That sounds obvious, but many teams just try to get a good QB and good WRs and a good OC, and don't really play to everyone's strengths. Almost every NFL QB is a good QB, and a few are great. But how many offenses are truly cohesive? Who would I pick? Falcons were up 28-3 and the players were explicitly afraid of Tom Brady beating them. And Brady by far had a better 2017 than Billy Billy.</quote> The Patriots came back not because oh Tom Brady remembered he was good but because Belichick is literally the best second half adjuster of all time. Again, Im not even convinced Brady is the best quarterback of his era, while Belichick unquestionable is the best coach. Name QBs as almost good or better than Brady while he was playing and I could rattle off a decent list. Name coaches almost as good or better than Belichick while he was coaching and no one even comes close. Obviously Brady is very good, but tell me he gets swapped out for Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc and the Patriots have likely almost just as many Super Bowls. Say Belichick gets swapped out for literally any coach you want to name I dont care who at the beginning and they are responsible for the team building around Brady and they likely have zero. Brady is not a transcendent player. Belichick is a transcendent coach. Its sort of the opposite of Green Bays situation, where I think almost any other coach in the league right now could get more out of Rodgers than what theyre currently getting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KujikawaRising 02/05/18 12:03:21 PM #403:	ExThaNemesis posted... Someone stole a fucking Ostrich from the zoo and was riding it?! That happened just last month in a comic strip I read, Pooch Caf, where the protagonist, a talking dog named Poncho, kidnapped the Ostrich so he could "bark at a bird whenever he wanted." If I didn't read that comic, I would have been shaking my head at that. But I guess the drunk in question reads the strip, too. Oh, and Belicheat is not a great coach. He cheats to win. His coaching tree is awful. He's no Vince Lombardi. --- http://i.imgur.com/t3naEGu.jpg I'm BlueCrystalTear, probably at work. <cite>KujikawaRising posted [p:895504213] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>ExThaNemesis posted...</cite> <quote>Someone stole a fucking Ostrich from the zoo and was riding it?!</quote> That happened just last month in a comic strip I read, Pooch Caf, where the protagonist, a talking dog named Poncho, kidnapped the Ostrich so he could "bark at a bird whenever he wanted." If I didn't read that comic, I would have been shaking my head at that. But I guess the drunk in question reads the strip, too. Oh, and Belicheat is not a great coach. He cheats to win. His coaching tree is awful. He's no Vince Lombardi.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/05/18 12:11:14 PM #404:	Belichick is likely a top three coach of all time. The fact his coaching tree is awful makes it all the more impressive. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:895504669] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>Belichick is likely a top three coach of all time. The fact his coaching tree is awful makes it all the more impressive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/05/18 12:15:49 PM #405:	Obviously Brady is very good, but tell me he gets swapped out for Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc and the Patriots have likely almost just as many Super Bowls. I generally agree with your thesis, but I also feel like Brady has had a much longer window of pretty damn good play than any of those other guys. Maybe you argue that Peyton lasts longer if he's protected by the Pats O-line? But Brady has been doing this for a lot longer than Brees and Rodgers, and doesn't currently show any signs of falling off any faster than they are. --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:895504966] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><quote>Obviously Brady is very good, but tell me he gets swapped out for Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc and the Patriots have likely almost just as many Super Bowls.</quote> I generally agree with your thesis, but I also feel like Brady has had a much longer window of pretty damn good play than any of those other guys. Maybe you argue that Peyton lasts longer if he's protected by the Pats O-line? But Brady has been doing this for a lot longer than Brees and Rodgers, and doesn't currently show any signs of falling off any faster than they are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/05/18 12:28:41 PM #406:	SmartMuffin posted... Obviously Brady is very good, but tell me he gets swapped out for Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc and the Patriots have likely almost just as many Super Bowls. I generally agree with your thesis, but I also feel like Brady has had a much longer window of pretty damn good play than any of those other guys. Maybe you argue that Peyton lasts longer if he's protected by the Pats O-line? But Brady has been doing this for a lot longer than Brees and Rodgers, and doesn't currently show any signs of falling off any faster than they are. I mean, that's definitely a fair point. Of all of Brady's impressive attributes, far and away his most impressive is his longevity. Part of this is certainly due to his style of play, but I still give Belichick credit for part of this as his scheme and o-line construction are almost always incredible, both of which leads to Brady not taking as many hits as he could. Manning got absolutely killed year after year in Indy because they couldn't build anything close to what the Patriots had. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:895505680] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Obviously Brady is very good, but tell me he gets swapped out for Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc and the Patriots have likely almost just as many Super Bowls.</quote> I generally agree with your thesis, but I also feel like Brady has had a much longer window of pretty damn good play than any of those other guys. Maybe you argue that Peyton lasts longer if he's protected by the Pats O-line? But Brady has been doing this for a lot longer than Brees and Rodgers, and doesn't currently show any signs of falling off any faster than they are.</quote> I mean, that's definitely a fair point. Of all of Brady's impressive attributes, far and away his most impressive is his longevity. Part of this is certainly due to his style of play, but I still give Belichick credit for part of this as his scheme and o-line construction are almost always incredible, both of which leads to Brady not taking as many hits as he could. Manning got absolutely killed year after year in Indy because they couldn't build anything close to what the Patriots had.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/05/18 12:34:58 PM #407:	Like take Manning (or Luck) out of Indy for a year and what happens? An unimaginable dumpster fire of terrible. That franchise has built respectability the past couple decades on the backs of two incredible QBs with little else around them. That's an example of a team that literally can't function without its QB. NE is just a fantastic team, and has been for almost TWENTY YEARS. That has way more to do with Belichick than it does with Brady. Brady is a fantastic cog in the system and an undeniably great talent. But he can and will be replaced and the machine will keep running. You can't swap out the machine entirely and expect the same results. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:895506044] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>Like take Manning (or Luck) out of Indy for a year and what happens? An unimaginable dumpster fire of terrible. That franchise has built respectability the past couple decades on the backs of two incredible QBs with little else around them. That's an example of a team that literally can't function without its QB. NE is just a fantastic team, and has been for almost TWENTY YEARS. That has way more to do with Belichick than it does with Brady. Brady is a fantastic cog in the system and an undeniably great talent. But he can and will be replaced and the machine will keep running. You can't swap out the machine entirely and expect the same results.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/05/18 12:39:57 PM #408:	NE is just a fantastic team, and has been for almost TWENTY YEARS. That has way more to do with Belichick than it does with Brady. Brady is a fantastic cog in the system and an undeniably great talent. I dunno though. The people at the helm of the machine can and have replaced literally everyone else, often multiple times. And yet, Brady still stands. They don't seem to think of him as a replaceable cog. There seems to be plenty of evidence that this franchise does not care about emotion or sentiment. If they thought they could put someone in there who makes half as much and provides 90% of the value, they'd have done it already. --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:895506340] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><quote>NE is just a fantastic team, and has been for almost TWENTY YEARS. That has way more to do with Belichick than it does with Brady. Brady is a fantastic cog in the system and an undeniably great talent. </quote> I dunno though. The people at the helm of the machine can and have replaced literally everyone else, often multiple times. And yet, Brady still stands. They don't seem to think of him as a replaceable cog. There seems to be plenty of evidence that this franchise does not care about emotion or sentiment. If they thought they could put someone in there who makes half as much and provides 90% of the value, they'd have done it already.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 02/05/18 12:43:32 PM #409:	Brady is the undeniable best value. He is underpaid for his talent. They can't afford to replace him with a better QB --- no <cite>KingButz posted [p:895506521] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>Brady is the undeniable best value. He is underpaid for his talent. They can't afford to replace him with a better QB</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/05/18 12:47:06 PM #410:	Well, you can't just replace a QB like Brady with one of the other pieces. Players like Brees and Rodgers don't just become available (except for that one time he did, I guess >_>). Brady has been a top five QB in the league for almost two decades now, so obviously you want to hold on to that as long as you can. He's probably in the top 30 QBs of all time (arguably higher - but I think literally everyone would at least agree to that). It's the most important position on the team and he's really, really good. But he can be replaced. Matt Cassel got them to 11-5. I thought you could've put Garoppolo in there and the Patriots would not regress much at all, but then they chased his away. Might be the first real big mistake of the Belichick years depending on how that plays out (unless he is planning to retire when Brady does, which I hope not because I desperately want to see Belichick minus Brady for at least a couple of years so I can have some real data that supports or refutes my argument). --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:895506679] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>Well, you can't just replace a QB like Brady with one of the other pieces. Players like Brees and Rodgers don't just become available (except for that one time he did, I guess >_>). Brady has been a top five QB in the league for almost two decades now, so obviously you want to hold on to that as long as you can. He's probably in the top 30 QBs of all time (arguably higher - but I think literally everyone would at least agree to that). It's the most important position on the team and he's really, really good. But he can be replaced. Matt Cassel got them to 11-5. I thought you could've put Garoppolo in there and the Patriots would not regress much at all, but then they chased his away. Might be the first real big mistake of the Belichick years depending on how that plays out (unless he is planning to retire when Brady does, which I hope not because I desperately want to see Belichick minus Brady for at least a couple of years so I can have some real data that supports or refutes my argument).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/05/18 12:48:39 PM #411:	KingButz posted... Brady is the undeniable best value. He is underpaid for his talent. They can't afford to replace him with a better QB ^ This too. Combine that with the fact that, except for in my hypothetical, the Patriots can't just go out and get Brees or go out and get Rodgers (or even go out and get someone "good" but not great like Matt Stafford) because they don't just become available, and it makes sense why the Patriots would just stick with the really, really good guy they already have. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:895506764] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingButz posted...</cite> <quote>Brady is the undeniable best value. He is underpaid for his talent. They can't afford to replace him with a better QB</quote> ^ This too. Combine that with the fact that, except for in my hypothetical, the Patriots can't just go out and get Brees or go out and get Rodgers (or even go out and get someone "good" but not great like Matt Stafford) because they don't just become available, and it makes sense why the Patriots would just stick with the really, really good guy they already have.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreaper 02/05/18 1:44:28 PM #412:	Disagree heavily about replacing Brady. You dont have to think hes the GOAT - I dont care about those arguments - but you couldnt just swap someone else in. What does he do that makes you think he could win so much with a different QB? Please avoid half time adjustments without really discussing the actual adjustments and giving him credit for what Patricia dialed up etc --- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter? Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. <cite>neonreaper posted [p:895509917] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>Disagree heavily about replacing Brady. You dont have to think hes the GOAT - I dont care about those arguments - but you couldnt just swap someone else in. What does he do that makes you think he could win so much with a different QB? Please avoid half time adjustments without really discussing the actual adjustments and giving him credit for what Patricia dialed up etc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/05/18 1:48:59 PM #413:	I mean, ultimately, it comes down to the question of, "In a sport so heavily dependent upon team rather than individual performance (as the NFL probably is more than any other team sport on the planet), how much value do championships really hold in evaluating individual performance?" To the extent that making and winning Super Bowls matters at all, Brady is almost certainly GOAT. If they don't, he's probably not, although he's not that far off... --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:895510204] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>I mean, ultimately, it comes down to the question of, "In a sport so heavily dependent upon team rather than individual performance (as the NFL probably is more than any other team sport on the planet), how much value do championships really hold in evaluating individual performance?" To the extent that making and winning Super Bowls matters at all, Brady is almost certainly GOAT. If they don't, he's probably not, although he's not that far off...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UInstinctGogeta 02/05/18 2:08:00 PM #414:	neonreaper posted... Disagree heavily about replacing Brady. You dont have to think hes the GOAT - I dont care about those arguments - but you couldnt just swap someone else in. What does he do that makes you think he could win so much with a different QB? Please avoid half time adjustments without really discussing the actual adjustments and giving him credit for what Patricia dialed up etc You've had some amazing drugs for breakfast if you don't think Manning or Favre (the only 2 QBs ever that WERE the system) couldn't walk in and do better. In all seriousness we'll never one hundred percent know if any other mediocre QB could do what Brady did, if he was just a better fit than most other QBs wouod have been. But we can factually say the 2 QBs that didnt go and play System QB would have been just fine playing with the best offenses and defenses ever.... Probably Fouts and Marino too, but they aren't as clear cut as Manning or Favre, and potentially Warner. Obviously Aikmen, Elway, Montana, Young, Rodgers, every other all time great is greatly predicated on the system. <cite>UInstinctGogeta posted [p:895511412] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>neonreaper posted...</cite> <quote>Disagree heavily about replacing Brady. You dont have to think hes the GOAT - I dont care about those arguments - but you couldnt just swap someone else in. What does he do that makes you think he could win so much with a different QB? Please avoid half time adjustments without really discussing the actual adjustments and giving him credit for what Patricia dialed up etc</quote> You've had some amazing drugs for breakfast if you don't think Manning or Favre (the only 2 QBs ever that WERE the system) couldn't walk in and do better. In all seriousness we'll never one hundred percent know if any other mediocre QB could do what Brady did, if he was just a better fit than most other QBs wouod have been. But we can factually say the 2 QBs that didnt go and play System QB would have been just fine playing with the best offenses and defenses ever.... Probably Fouts and Marino too, but they aren't as clear cut as Manning or Favre, and potentially Warner. Obviously Aikmen, Elway, Montana, Young, Rodgers, every other all time great is greatly predicated on the system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/05/18 2:09:03 PM #415:	neonreaper posted... Disagree heavily about replacing Brady. You dont have to think hes the GOAT - I dont care about those arguments - but you couldnt just swap someone else in. What does he do that makes you think he could win so much with a different QB? Please avoid half time adjustments without really discussing the actual adjustments and giving him credit for what Patricia dialed up etc Again, and perhaps I'm not articulating my argument well enough, is that you can't just swap "someone else" in. He's a top five QB of his generation, without question. BUT he isn't the definitive number one QB and there are a handful of other players that the Patriots would have been just as good with. And even with someone like Stafford or, hell, Foles, the Patriots would have been able to put together multiple Super Bowl runs. Belichick is effectively coach and GM at this point, and that's where is true genius is. He is so damn good at putting together a team, and then executing a game plan with the pieces he has that it is unparalleled in the sport. I have a lot of Patriots fan friends, and I always think they overvalue Brady and undervalue Belichick. "Halftime adjustments" aren't even the best thing he does, although he probably does it better than any coach ever (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-patriots-defense-needs- (space) 30-minutes-to-figure-out-how-to-beat-you/ - that's just this year. He's been doing this for decades now without Patricia so I'm not inclined to give him any credit yet. I've seen what happens when coordinators leave Belichick and I have no reason to think the exact same thing won't happen to Patricia without Belichick there to guide him.) He is a phenomenal coach, and there are maybe two in the past forty years that even come close to him in terms of what he has done for that franchise. I mean, big credit is due to the rest of the Patriots organization too for getting out of the way and letting him do what he wants to do, because that is where a lot of organizations falter. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:895511473] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>neonreaper posted...</cite> <quote>Disagree heavily about replacing Brady. You dont have to think hes the GOAT - I dont care about those arguments - but you couldnt just swap someone else in. What does he do that makes you think he could win so much with a different QB? Please avoid half time adjustments without really discussing the actual adjustments and giving him credit for what Patricia dialed up etc</quote> Again, and perhaps I'm not articulating my argument well enough, is that you can't just swap "someone else" in. He's a top five QB of his generation, without question. BUT he isn't the definitive number one QB and there are a handful of other players that the Patriots would have been just as good with. And even with someone like Stafford or, hell, Foles, the Patriots would have been able to put together multiple Super Bowl runs. Belichick is effectively coach and GM at this point, and that's where is true genius is. He is so damn good at putting together a team, and then executing a game plan with the pieces he has that it is unparalleled in the sport. I have a lot of Patriots fan friends, and I always think they overvalue Brady and undervalue Belichick. "Halftime adjustments" aren't even the best thing he does, although he probably does it better than any coach ever (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-patriots-defense-needs- (space) 30-minutes-to-figure-out-how-to-beat-you/ - that's just this year. He's been doing this for decades now without Patricia so I'm not inclined to give him any credit yet. I've seen what happens when coordinators leave Belichick and I have no reason to think the exact same thing won't happen to Patricia without Belichick there to guide him.) He is a phenomenal coach, and there are maybe two in the past forty years that even come close to him in terms of what he has done for that franchise. I mean, big credit is due to the rest of the Patriots organization too for getting out of the way and letting him do what he wants to do, because that is where a lot of organizations falter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/05/18 2:11:08 PM #416:	You've had some amazing drugs for breakfast if you don't think Manning or Favre (the only 2 QBs ever that WERE the system) couldn't walk in and do better. Manning sure, Favre hell no. Completely different style and attitude. Bellichick would run Favre out of town the first time he threw some horrible INT into triple coverage instead of just taking a sack. Favre is like, the exact opposite kind of QB from Brady... which isn't to say he's bad, but that's not a swap that could work... --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:895511597] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><quote>You've had some amazing drugs for breakfast if you don't think Manning or Favre (the only 2 QBs ever that WERE the system) couldn't walk in and do better.</quote> Manning sure, Favre hell no. Completely different style and attitude. Bellichick would run Favre out of town the first time he threw some horrible INT into triple coverage instead of just taking a sack. Favre is like, the exact opposite kind of QB from Brady... which isn't to say he's bad, but that's not a swap that could work...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UInstinctGogeta 02/05/18 2:16:21 PM #417:	SmartMuffin posted... You've had some amazing drugs for breakfast if you don't think Manning or Favre (the only 2 QBs ever that WERE the system) couldn't walk in and do better. Manning sure, Favre hell no. Completely different style and attitude. Bellichick would run Favre out of town the first time he threw some horrible INT into triple coverage instead of just taking a sack. Favre is like, the exact opposite kind of QB from Brady... which isn't to say he's bad, but that's not a swap that could work... Disagree. Becuase again, Favre was his own system. He could easily fit in to what the Pats*** did. Bellicheck yelling at him to cut that shit out every drive wouod work, but it means you'd still have Favre able to be Favre when chips are on table... Also, Favre to Moss or Favre to Gronk would be the single best QB to Receiver/TE combo you could possibly come up with in NFL history. Favre's penchant for sending jumps and accuracy and those 2 being unguardable makes that team unstoppable. <cite>UInstinctGogeta posted [p:895511925] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote><quote>You've had some amazing drugs for breakfast if you don't think Manning or Favre (the only 2 QBs ever that WERE the system) couldn't walk in and do better.</quote> Manning sure, Favre hell no. Completely different style and attitude. Bellichick would run Favre out of town the first time he threw some horrible INT into triple coverage instead of just taking a sack. Favre is like, the exact opposite kind of QB from Brady... which isn't to say he's bad, but that's not a swap that could work...</quote> Disagree. Becuase again, Favre was his own system. He could easily fit in to what the Pats*** did. Bellicheck yelling at him to cut that shit out every drive wouod work, but it means you'd still have Favre able to be Favre when chips are on table... Also, Favre to Moss or Favre to Gronk would be the single best QB to Receiver/TE combo you could possibly come up with in NFL history. Favre's penchant for sending jumps and accuracy and those 2 being unguardable makes that team unstoppable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/05/18 2:22:34 PM #418:	Becuase again, Favre was his own system. He could easily fit in to what the Pats***** did. No he couldn't. Favre had a ton of talent, maybe more than anyone else ever - but his decisionmaking was average to bad. Bill's system does not work that way. He needs consistency and low-risk. Favre would fuck it up way too much to work. --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:895512270] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><quote>Becuase again, Favre was his own system. He could easily fit in to what the Pats***** did. </quote> No he couldn't. Favre had a ton of talent, maybe more than anyone else ever - but his decisionmaking was average to bad. Bill's system does not work that way. He needs consistency and low-risk. Favre would fuck it up way too much to work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UInstinctGogeta 02/05/18 2:25:51 PM #419:	SmartMuffin posted... Becuase again, Favre was his own system. He could easily fit in to what the Pats***** did. No he couldn't. Favre had a ton of talent, maybe more than anyone else ever - but his decisionmaking was average to bad. Bill's system does not work that way. He needs consistency and low-risk. Favre would fuck it up way too much to work. You're aware Favre won 200 games, right? Bout the same as Brady on much much worse teams, and with god awful coaches... And you believe Bellicheck of all people couldn't reign him in? He'd have a little more respect for him than say... Mike. <cite>UInstinctGogeta posted [p:895512464] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Becuase again, Favre was his own system. He could easily fit in to what the Pats***** did. </quote> No he couldn't. Favre had a ton of talent, maybe more than anyone else ever - but his decisionmaking was average to bad. Bill's system does not work that way. He needs consistency and low-risk. Favre would fuck it up way too much to work.</quote> You're aware Favre won 200 games, right? Bout the same as Brady on much much worse teams, and with god awful coaches... And you believe Bellicheck of all people couldn't reign him in? He'd have a little more respect for him than say... Mike.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/05/18 2:28:55 PM #420:	And you believe Bellicheck of all people couldn't reign him in? No, I don't. I think it was instinct. You could threaten to kill his mother if he threw an INT and he still would, because in the moment, he can't help himself. It's not the same as say, Randy Moss, who has a specific job to run routes and where "decisionmaking" isn't a really huge factor of success. --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:895512638] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><quote>And you believe Bellicheck of all people couldn't reign him in?</quote> No, I don't. I think it was instinct. You could threaten to kill his mother if he threw an INT and he still would, because in the moment, he can't help himself. It's not the same as say, Randy Moss, who has a specific job to run routes and where "decisionmaking" isn't a really huge factor of success.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UInstinctGogeta 02/05/18 2:30:50 PM #421:	SmartMuffin posted... And you believe Bellicheck of all people couldn't reign him in? No, I don't. I think it was instinct. You could threaten to kill his mother if he threw an INT and he still would, because in the moment, he can't help himself. It's not the same as say, Randy Moss, who has a specific job to run routes and where "decisionmaking" isn't a really huge factor of success. Fair enough. If that's what you think I obviously don't have brain patterns for evidence, we'll just agree to disagree and I'll respect your opinion. So we both (obviously) agree on Manning. How do you feel on Warner, Fouts, Marino, and fuck it, let's throw in Tark too? <cite>UInstinctGogeta posted [p:895512743] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote><quote>And you believe Bellicheck of all people couldn't reign him in?</quote> No, I don't. I think it was instinct. You could threaten to kill his mother if he threw an INT and he still would, because in the moment, he can't help himself. It's not the same as say, Randy Moss, who has a specific job to run routes and where "decisionmaking" isn't a really huge factor of success.</quote> Fair enough. If that's what you think I obviously don't have brain patterns for evidence, we'll just agree to disagree and I'll respect your opinion. So we both (obviously) agree on Manning. How do you feel on Warner, Fouts, Marino, and fuck it, let's throw in Tark too?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/05/18 2:31:45 PM #422:	I don't know enough about the older guys to judge one way or another. --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:895512801] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>I don't know enough about the older guys to judge one way or another.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UInstinctGogeta 02/05/18 2:33:18 PM #423:	SmartMuffin posted... I don't know enough about the older guys to judge one way or another. You consider Fouts and Marino the old guard? I'm not talking Starr, or Tark, or Otto here... <cite>UInstinctGogeta posted [p:895512889] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know enough about the older guys to judge one way or another.</quote> You consider Fouts and Marino the old guard? I'm not talking Starr, or Tark, or Otto here...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/05/18 2:34:27 PM #424:	Their careers happened before I was like, 8 years old, so yes. --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:895512964] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>Their careers happened before I was like, 8 years old, so yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WiggumFan267 02/05/18 6:26:27 PM #425:	KingButz posted... Brady is the undeniable best value. He is underpaid for his talent. They can't afford to replace him with a better QB this is a gigantic actual unfair advantage that has never been properly addressed. I do believe the NFLPA is pissed over it anyway but I don't think the NFL is. --- ~Wigs~ Dp Guru Wins over Me: 1, Fantasy Baseball Wins over Dp: 3 2015 NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPION NEW YORK METS <cite>WiggumFan267 posted [p:895527262] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingButz posted...</cite> <quote>Brady is the undeniable best value. He is underpaid for his talent. They can't afford to replace him with a better QB</quote> this is a gigantic actual unfair advantage that has never been properly addressed. I do believe the NFLPA is pissed over it anyway but I don't think the NFL is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLIAmAnAlt 02/05/18 7:42:12 PM #426:	WiggumFan267 posted... Like I know y'all are gonna say a lot of cities do this, but I don't think they're THIS bad. Vancouver when they lost was worse. This one may 'look worse' but that's just a twitter phenomenon. It's a shame that these things before 2010 are not documented online well. Darn cell phones. --- lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll <cite>LOLIAmAnAlt posted [p:895532186] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>WiggumFan267 posted...</cite> <quote> Like I know y'all are gonna say a lot of cities do this, but I don't think they're THIS bad.</quote> Vancouver when they lost was worse. This one may 'look worse' but that's just a twitter phenomenon. It's a shame that these things before 2010 are not documented online well. Darn cell phones.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 02/05/18 7:49:34 PM #427:	LOLIAmAnAlt posted... WiggumFan267 posted... Like I know y'all are gonna say a lot of cities do this, but I don't think they're THIS bad. Vancouver when they lost was worse. This one may 'look worse' but that's just a twitter phenomenon. It's a shame that these things before 2010 are not documented online well. Darn cell phones. San Francisco in 2014 was pretty bad, too. Taking the "only Philly does it this bad" attitude is dumb, honestly --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:895532646] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>LOLIAmAnAlt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WiggumFan267 posted...</cite> <quote> Like I know y'all are gonna say a lot of cities do this, but I don't think they're THIS bad.</quote> Vancouver when they lost was worse. This one may 'look worse' but that's just a twitter phenomenon. It's a shame that these things before 2010 are not documented online well. Darn cell phones.</quote> San Francisco in 2014 was pretty bad, too. Taking the "only Philly does it this bad" attitude is dumb, honestly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
th3l3fty 02/05/18 8:02:55 PM #428:	StealThisSheen posted... Taking the "only Philly does it this bad" attitude is dumb, honestly I've been telling him this for months he will not listen --- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -transience I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris <cite>th3l3fty posted [p:895533471] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>Taking the "only Philly does it this bad" attitude is dumb, honestly</quote> I've been telling him this for months he will not listen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/05/18 8:08:13 PM #429:	WiggumFan267 posted... this is a gigantic actual unfair advantage that has never been properly addressed. I do believe the NFLPA is pissed over it anyway but I don't think the NFL is. Winners discounts DO suck and are bad for sports, but they're practically universal and there's next to nothing you can really do to stop it - short of requiring athletes to sign contracts with the league and giving them zero control ever over what teams they play for, which no union would ever agree to. --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:895533843] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>WiggumFan267 posted...</cite> <quote>this is a gigantic actual unfair advantage that has never been properly addressed. I do believe the NFLPA is pissed over it anyway but I don't think the NFL is.</quote> Winners discounts DO suck and are bad for sports, but they're practically universal and there's next to nothing you can really do to stop it - short of requiring athletes to sign contracts with the league and giving them zero control ever over what teams they play for, which no union would ever agree to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 02/05/18 8:25:03 PM #430:	What's unfair is that QB's get paid that ridiculous amount of money compared to the rest of the team. <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:895534912] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>What's unfair is that QB's get paid that ridiculous amount of money compared to the rest of the team.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/05/18 9:12:18 PM #431:	eh, I dunno, QBs are a single point of failure They can lose you a game, all by themselves, in a way that virtually nobody else can There aren't many teams that have really good QBs that stay bad for very long... --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:895537991] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>eh, I dunno, QBs are a single point of failure They can lose you a game, all by themselves, in a way that virtually nobody else can There aren't many teams that have really good QBs that stay bad for very long...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/05/18 9:33:18 PM #432:	I feel like Marino would be the best fit for Belichick. World class accuracy, decision-making, arm strength. I think if he'd been in the Patriots system he'd have been Brady but better. Definitely agree with SMuffin that Favre wouldn't work --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Not changing this sig until CM Punk returns to the WWE <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:895539352] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>I feel like Marino would be the best fit for Belichick. World class accuracy, decision-making, arm strength. I think if he'd been in the Patriots system he'd have been Brady but better. Definitely agree with SMuffin that Favre wouldn't work</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 02/05/18 9:36:47 PM #433:	QB's take up somewhere between 11-17% of the salary cap in a sport where if everything were even people would take up 1.88%. NBA teams have a cap of what? 25-30% for 1 player in a 13 player squad? Scale that to NFL squad size and it becomes like 6-7% max for a player. I mean sure it's not that simple but that also doesn't account for the fact that the NBA allows teams to go over the cap (which of course they do by a lot) and that the money is guaranteed. I think realistically a cap of like 8% per player would be fair. That's still 14-15m per year and you could offer benefits to a re-signing team if you really wanted. And then the benefit to the player is that contract negotiations would be more about how much are you guaranteeing them rather than what ridiculous amount of money are you giving them, I know it will never happen and I'd rather see the cap removed if I'm honest (as then other players would get paid rather than having to get less because the QB is taking 25m a year) <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:895539567] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>QB's take up somewhere between 11-17% of the salary cap in a sport where if everything were even people would take up 1.88%. NBA teams have a cap of what? 25-30% for 1 player in a 13 player squad? Scale that to NFL squad size and it becomes like 6-7% max for a player. I mean sure it's not that simple but that also doesn't account for the fact that the NBA allows teams to go over the cap (which of course they do by a lot) and that the money is guaranteed. I think realistically a cap of like 8% per player would be fair. That's still 14-15m per year and you could offer benefits to a re-signing team if you really wanted. And then the benefit to the player is that contract negotiations would be more about how much are you guaranteeing them rather than what ridiculous amount of money are you giving them, I know it will never happen and I'd rather see the cap removed if I'm honest (as then other players would get paid rather than having to get less because the QB is taking 25m a year)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShatteredElysium 02/05/18 9:37:28 PM #434:	Oh and for sure Favre would not work in that Patriots system. He's like the polar opposite of what Belichick's systems are about <cite>ShatteredElysium posted [p:895539615] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>Oh and for sure Favre would not work in that Patriots system. He's like the polar opposite of what Belichick's systems are about</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/05/18 9:42:48 PM #435:	I actually feel like Manning and Belichick would've clashed, too. Manning wanted to run the offense on his own and that wouldn't have flown with Bill. I can see Manning calling an audible and Bill flying into a rage on the sideline because he didn't want that play. --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Not changing this sig until CM Punk returns to the WWE <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:895539954] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>I actually feel like Manning and Belichick would've clashed, too. Manning wanted to run the offense on his own and that wouldn't have flown with Bill. I can see Manning calling an audible and Bill flying into a rage on the sideline because he didn't want that play.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/05/18 9:44:16 PM #436:	Basically the Belichick/Brady team works so well because they are exactly perfect for one another. Brady bought into Bill's system so well and Bill built said system around Brady to bring out all his strengths. You can't have one without the other. Now, that doesn't mean Bill couldn't have designed a different system to accommodate a different quarterback. --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Not changing this sig until CM Punk returns to the WWE <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:895540037] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>Basically the Belichick/Brady team works so well because they are exactly perfect for one another. Brady bought into Bill's system so well and Bill built said system around Brady to bring out all his strengths. You can't have one without the other. Now, that doesn't mean Bill couldn't have designed a different system to accommodate a different quarterback.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davidponte 02/05/18 9:49:54 PM #437:	Well, this topic went places. --- Brought to you by GameFlux Free GameFAQs app on Google Play! <cite>davidponte posted [p:895540408] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>Well, this topic went places.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HotDogButts 02/05/18 9:51:21 PM #438:	ayyy Nick Foles --- Burns then confronted him about the fart and Willie became agitated, telling her to shut up <cite>HotDogButts posted [p:895540495] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>ayyy Nick Foles</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HotDogButts 02/05/18 9:52:46 PM #439:	man how can you possibly hate on Philly for these celebrations. This is the most beautiful reaction to a team winning a championship ever. Greatest fans in sports, hands down. --- Burns then confronted him about the fart and Willie became agitated, telling her to shut up <cite>HotDogButts posted [p:895540594] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>man how can you possibly hate on Philly for these celebrations. This is the most beautiful reaction to a team winning a championship ever. Greatest fans in sports, hands down.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davidponte 02/05/18 10:00:45 PM #440:	I know I'd be ecstatic if my car got flipped over! --- Posted using GameFlux <cite>davidponte posted [p:895541155] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>I know I'd be ecstatic if my car got flipped over!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WiggumFan267 02/05/18 10:01:57 PM #441:	i'd be ecstatic if i needed stop lights to safely drive to work the next morning --- ~Wigs~ Dp Guru Wins over Me: 1, Fantasy Baseball Wins over Dp: 3 2015 NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPION NEW YORK METS <cite>WiggumFan267 posted [p:895541237] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>i'd be ecstatic if i needed stop lights to safely drive to work the next morning</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HotDogButts 02/05/18 10:13:07 PM #442:	yall soft --- Burns then confronted him about the fart and Willie became agitated, telling her to shut up <cite>HotDogButts posted [p:895541912] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>yall soft</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MegamanX 02/05/18 10:33:18 PM #443:	Fuck safety GO EAGLES --- XBL/PSN/WiiU:StingX2 <cite>MegamanX posted [p:895543201] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>Fuck safety GO EAGLES</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LOLIAmAnAlt 02/06/18 12:14:51 AM #445:	WiggumFan267 posted... i'd be ecstatic if i needed stop lights to safely drive to work the next morning Pretty sure they said only 7 needed repair/replacement today on the news. Probably all in the same small downtown area on Broad Street too. They were actively working and had fixed some already. The city has blocked traffic way worse by just doing silly city things that the city likes to do. --- lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll <cite>LOLIAmAnAlt posted [p:895549001] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote><cite>WiggumFan267 posted...</cite> <quote>i'd be ecstatic if i needed stop lights to safely drive to work the next morning</quote> Pretty sure they said only 7 needed repair/replacement today on the news. Probably all in the same small downtown area on Broad Street too. They were actively working and had fixed some already. The city has blocked traffic way worse by just doing silly city things that the city likes to do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreaper 02/06/18 6:00:08 AM #446:	So really I don't know about "top five" because there's just a lot that goes into that. I'd say that in the past 16 years, it's Brady, Rodgers, Manning and Brees. Manning and Brad both require a lot from their receivers, Rodgers and Brees less so. Then another level down would be like Favre or Big Ben, guys you have to build around turnovers and have some playmakers in skill positions. I wouldn't really put Stafford into this conversation. I'd need to see him be the most important player on his offense, and I'd need to then see that offense dominate as a result. Like, those top four guys I mentioned had dominant offenses because they ran through the strength of their QB. Stafford shows up in NE and I'm not sure it works out. I agree a bit with Extha's post but it's not really Bill's system, just the general "success of the QB" mantra. --- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter? Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. <cite>neonreaper posted [p:895558789] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>So really I don't know about "top five" because there's just a lot that goes into that. I'd say that in the past 16 years, it's Brady, Rodgers, Manning and Brees. Manning and Brad both require a lot from their receivers, Rodgers and Brees less so. Then another level down would be like Favre or Big Ben, guys you have to build around turnovers and have some playmakers in skill positions. I wouldn't really put Stafford into this conversation. I'd need to see him be the most important player on his offense, and I'd need to then see that offense dominate as a result. Like, those top four guys I mentioned had dominant offenses because they ran through the strength of their QB. Stafford shows up in NE and I'm not sure it works out. I agree a bit with Extha's post but it's not really Bill's system, just the general "success of the QB" mantra.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreaper 02/06/18 7:13:00 AM #447:	Marino wasn't very difficult to plan against. And the attributes I'm seeing listed aren't necessarily the ones Belichick has emphasized. I guess I would say, why was Edelman unwanted by the rest of the league, and why was Welker a good WR for Manning and Brady? would Montana have been Joe Montana without WCO? I guess my point is that all QBs have a system, and Brady's elite abilities that are better than any one else are what make him and his system the best option for what Belichick wants. If you don't think that QBs thrive in their own strengths and systems, you might be Jeff Fisher. Philly is a bit rowdy, who knew. good for them. --- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter? Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. <cite>neonreaper posted [p:895560248] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>Marino wasn't very difficult to plan against. And the attributes I'm seeing listed aren't necessarily the ones Belichick has emphasized. I guess I would say, why was Edelman unwanted by the rest of the league, and why was Welker a good WR for Manning and Brady? would Montana have been Joe Montana without WCO? I guess my point is that all QBs have a system, and Brady's elite abilities that are better than any one else are what make him and his system the best option for what Belichick wants. If you don't think that QBs thrive in their own strengths and systems, you might be Jeff Fisher. Philly is a bit rowdy, who knew. good for them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/06/18 8:59:37 AM #448:	I saw a Twitter post from "certain parts" suggesting that part of Belichick's success is attributable to being willing to take a chance on white players in positions other than QB. I guess I would say, why was Edelman unwanted by the rest of the league, and why was Welker a good WR --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:895563302] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>I saw a Twitter post from "certain parts" suggesting that part of Belichick's success is attributable to being willing to take a chance on white players in positions other than QB. <quote>I guess I would say, why was Edelman unwanted by the rest of the league, and why was Welker a good WR</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreaper 02/06/18 9:11:04 AM #449:	#maga --- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter? Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. <cite>neonreaper posted [p:895563719] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>#maga</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 02/06/18 6:32:37 PM #450:	Edelman was unwanted because he was a quarterback from Kent State C'mon now --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:895594171] in NFL Super ... [t:76277436]...</cite> <quote>Edelman was unwanted because he was a quarterback from Kent State C'mon now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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