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Lokarin 01/20/18 4:56:12 AM #1: |
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/72yo-grandma-shot-dead-raid-plant/
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Kyuubi4269 01/20/18 4:59:54 AM #2: |
I like how 'murica claims to be more free but the Police operate as a death squad suppressing the public.
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Nightengale 01/20/18 5:47:50 AM #3: |
oh lokarin... why are you reading these sites
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RoboXgp89 01/20/18 6:08:05 AM #4: |
police look more like nazi's day after day
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Darth_CiD 01/20/18 6:28:54 AM #5: |
While you are beating off over accusations of assassinations and what not, some very important info will be bypassed on why so many are killed like this:
Townsend, likely not knowing who her home invaders were, picked up a pellet gun and fired off two pellets. A Bartlesville officer then shot and killed her. So even a 72 yo can get the drop on police in these situations. If that was a real gun, those two officers would have been seriously wounded or dead. That is why they shoot if it even looks like you are reaching for something. --- My official prediction for next generation as of 10th Sept 2016 11:12 am The headline buzz words will be "we have more flops than the other guys". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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secret-racist 01/20/18 8:38:28 AM #6: |
Darth_CiD posted...
If that was a real gun Except that it wasnt in this case. The entire approach of kicking in peoples doors and raiding their home is wrong. Its preemptively hostile. What are frightened people supposed to do when unknown persons are busting through their doors like crazed maniacs? Perhaps a better approach would be to surround the house in defensive positions, cover all exits, and send a couple officers up to knock a few times and if no one answers announce clearly through a bullhorn that theyre there and why theyre there, and demand peaceful cooperation. There has to be a better solution than blitzing people in their home, the homes they have every right to defend, and scaring them into doing something stupid, then shooting them dead because the cops lack any proper training or education to do anything but write tickets and pull triggers. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darth_CiD 01/20/18 8:42:11 AM #7: |
^and in the meantime all the evidence has been flushed down the toilet.
Did you even put any thought into that? --- My official prediction for next generation as of 10th Sept 2016 11:12 am The headline buzz words will be "we have more flops than the other guys". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/20/18 8:45:15 AM #8: |
Darth_CiD posted...
^and in the meantime all the evidence has been flushed down the toilet. Who gives a shit? Is evidence of drugs more important than the lives of the police and the people they are trying to arrest? --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FatalAccident 01/20/18 8:48:29 AM #9: |
this story seems made up
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Darth_CiD 01/20/18 9:01:32 AM #10: |
Jen0125 posted...
Darth_CiD posted...^and in the meantime all the evidence has been flushed down the toilet. Well you kind of need evidence, otherwise they might as well not bother turning up at all. --- My official prediction for next generation as of 10th Sept 2016 11:12 am The headline buzz words will be "we have more flops than the other guys". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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secret-racist 01/20/18 9:14:00 AM #11: |
Darth_CiD posted...
^and in the meantime all the evidence has been flushed down the toilet. Maybe try doing some actual police work so you have evidence prior to the arrest? Did you even put any thought into that? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/20/18 9:30:52 AM #12: |
Darth_CiD posted...
Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...^and in the meantime all the evidence has been flushed down the toilet. If your ability to gather evidence only comes from violent trespass in which you are putting the alleged criminal's life in danger then there is a fucking problem with the system. secret-racist posted... Maybe try doing some actual police work so you have evidence prior to the arrest? And fucking THIS --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darth_CiD 01/20/18 9:49:00 AM #13: |
secret-racist posted...
Darth_CiD posted...^and in the meantime all the evidence has been flushed down the toilet. Such as? Or are we suddenly pretending that catching someone red handed is not the literal best piece of evidence. --- My official prediction for next generation as of 10th Sept 2016 11:12 am The headline buzz words will be "we have more flops than the other guys". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/20/18 9:50:43 AM #14: |
Darth_CiD posted...
Such as? Uh investigative work and surveillance? --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darth_CiD 01/20/18 10:02:57 AM #15: |
Jen0125 posted...
Darth_CiD posted...Such as? So, no hard evidence then? They would have already done that to get the warrant required to raid the home. Hard evidence would secure a conviction though. --- My official prediction for next generation as of 10th Sept 2016 11:12 am The headline buzz words will be "we have more flops than the other guys". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 01/20/18 10:03:57 AM #16: |
Darth_CiD posted...
secret-racist posted...Darth_CiD posted...^and in the meantime all the evidence has been flushed down the toilet. If he was selling in his house, flushing the evidence would amount to flushing the customer. They would need reasonable suspicion that the known buyer is in the house, otherwise they're just raiding freely to score weed. --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ASlaveObeys 01/20/18 10:18:53 AM #17: |
Jen0125 posted...
Darth_CiD posted...Such as? That's what they do. Then when that's done a judge gives them permission to raid the house. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/20/18 10:19:51 AM #18: |
Darth_CiD posted...
Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...Such as? Yeah it's a novel concept if you don't have hard evidence maybe don't arrest people or raid their homes and kill them. Who would have thought. --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Far-Queue 01/20/18 10:35:08 AM #19: |
Jen0125 posted...
Darth_CiD posted...Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...Such as? Not to mention, raiding a house does not guarantee that they'll find any evidence or catch anyone "red-handed". As was already pointed out, it's overly hostile. US police forces are becoming more and more militarized, and they're hiring more and more officers and giving them inadequate training before unleashing these frightened and trigger-happy cops onto the population. Innocent people are being shot dead in their homes. Aside from this old woman, a swatting victim was gunned down by cops recently. This needs to change. --- https://i.imgur.com/ZwO4qO2.gifv Bluer than velvet was the night... Softer than satin was the light... From the stars... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darth_CiD 01/20/18 10:42:19 AM #20: |
Jen0125 posted...
Darth_CiD posted...Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...Such as? Ah, so as long as we stay at home we can commit any crime we wish and the police are powerless to do anything about it. --- My official prediction for next generation as of 10th Sept 2016 11:12 am The headline buzz words will be "we have more flops than the other guys". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darth_CiD 01/20/18 10:45:37 AM #21: |
Far-Queue posted...
As was already pointed out, it's overly hostile. US police forces are becoming more and more militarized, I suppose that is what you have to live with when you live in a country in which the general populace consider owning a gun a basic human right. The police have to act like anyone can have a stash of weapons because literally anyone can have a stash of weapons --- My official prediction for next generation as of 10th Sept 2016 11:12 am The headline buzz words will be "we have more flops than the other guys". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/20/18 10:55:19 AM #22: |
Darth_CiD posted...
Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...Such as? Well if they don't have any proof or documentation you did anything illegal that's kinda how it works, sorry. --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darth_CiD 01/20/18 11:04:26 AM #23: |
Jen0125 posted...
Darth_CiD posted...Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...Such as? Now you're saying two different things. Before you were implying surveillance and investigation was good enough for a conviction and now police shouldn't even bother people unless they have hard evidence while also implying they shouldn't do the things they do to gain said evidence? I don't think you have any idea how it works at all. --- My official prediction for next generation as of 10th Sept 2016 11:12 am The headline buzz words will be "we have more flops than the other guys". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 01/20/18 11:17:14 AM #24: |
secret-racist posted...
Darth_CiD posted...If that was a real gun Gotta agree with this. Yet another consequence of the slow militarization of police in the US. They dont want to do actual police work they want to play soldier. --- All praise Mead ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/20/18 11:18:05 AM #25: |
Darth_CiD posted...
Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...Such as? I didn't say it was good enough for a conviction. Please quote where I said that. Stop putting words in people's mouth so you can suck police dick. Before swat raids police managed to capture criminals just fine. --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darth_CiD 01/20/18 11:40:06 AM #26: |
Jen0125 posted...
Define imply. And now they do it better with less chance of escape and a higher chance of recovering evidence. Or are you now trying to imply that innocent people didn't get shot before raids were a thing. --- My official prediction for next generation as of 10th Sept 2016 11:12 am The headline buzz words will be "we have more flops than the other guys". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blighboy 01/20/18 11:41:11 AM #27: |
It's a good thing everyone has guns to protect themselves from a tyrannical government
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Jen0125 01/20/18 11:43:29 AM #28: |
Darth_CiD posted...
Jen0125 posted... Innocent people didn't get murdered in their home by police swat raids before no knock warrants were in existence. --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darth_CiD 01/20/18 11:51:55 AM #29: |
Jen0125 posted...
Darth_CiD posted...Jen0125 posted... But they were in the streets, by police with guns? --- My official prediction for next generation as of 10th Sept 2016 11:12 am The headline buzz words will be "we have more flops than the other guys". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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myghostisdead 01/20/18 11:55:24 AM #30: |
In curious if there was any video or audio of this encounter because other news sources are giving a slightly different version of the event.
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Kyuubi4269 01/20/18 11:55:56 AM #31: |
Darth_CiD posted...
Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...Jen0125 posted... Irrelevant, Police house invasions also didn't effect UFO sightings. --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/20/18 12:04:26 PM #32: |
Darth_CiD posted...
Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...Jen0125 posted... And that has what to do with swat raids? Don't move the goalposts. --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darth_CiD 01/20/18 12:13:46 PM #33: |
Jen0125 posted...
Darth_CiD posted...Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...Jen0125 posted... So that's a yes? So swat raids are not the determining factor on whether an innocent person gets shot? Jen0125 posted... Darth_CiD posted...^and in the meantime all the evidence has been flushed down the toilet. Hmmm... I'm off, I would get better conversation and arguments talking to a brick wall. --- My official prediction for next generation as of 10th Sept 2016 11:12 am The headline buzz words will be "we have more flops than the other guys". ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/20/18 12:19:42 PM #34: |
Who said that was the only time police kill people?
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Far-Queue 01/20/18 12:52:15 PM #35: |
Darth_CiD posted...
Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...Jen0125 posted...Darth_CiD posted...Jen0125 posted... No one said swat raids are the only reason people get shot by cops or that theyre the determining factor in all innocent deaths caused by undertrained, inadequate police. Implying that changing only one facet of police training and procedure wont stop all police-inflicted deaths is plain dumb. We should be trying to prevent unnecessary deaths, on both sides of the law and for the innocents caught in-between. Better training and better planning and procedure is better all-around. Non-lethal means of incapacitation exist. Tear gas, tasers, rubber bullets, etc. No one is saying cops deserve to be shot by citizens any more than citizens deserve to be shot by cops. None of your arguments hold up. --- https://i.imgur.com/ZwO4qO2.gifv Bluer than velvet was the night... Softer than satin was the light... From the stars... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 01/20/18 1:05:41 PM #36: |
While I understand that police want evidence, I do think raids like this need to handle better. Safer, maybe. Incapacitation, like Far-Queue said, would be better. Because things like the swatting incident should NEVER happen. Nobody should open the door and immediately be killed. And that old lady probably thought someone was breaking in...
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dioxxys 01/20/18 1:07:50 PM #37: |
Sad but there's consequences for shooting at an officer of the law.
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Zeus 01/20/18 1:09:43 PM #38: |
Darth_CiD posted...
While you are beating off over accusations of assassinations and what not, some very important info will be bypassed on why so many are killed like this:Townsend, likely not knowing who her home invaders were, picked up a pellet gun and fired off two pellets. A Bartlesville officer then shot and killed her. Pretty valid concern, tbh. secret-racist posted... Except that it wasnt in this case. Except all they know is that they're being shot. In that moment, they can't stop to confirm whether it's an actual gun because -- if it was an actual gun -- more serious injuries or death will result. secret-racist posted... The entire approach of kicking in peoples doors and raiding their home is wrong. Its preemptively hostile. What are frightened people supposed to do when unknown persons are busting through their doors like crazed maniacs? While I hate the idea of no-knock raids because homeowners acting in legitimate self-defense become criminals, CLEARLY they have their place. They existed not simply to stop people from getting away, but because suspects were destroying drug evidence and prepping for what could quickly become a dangerous exchange of violence which endangered the surrounding community. In general, charges shouldn't be filed against homeowners who attack un-ID'd LEOs although there's no real recourse for harm, whether it's throwing a flashbang grenade that injures a baby or killing a defending homeowner. --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 01/20/18 1:19:54 PM #39: |
dioxxys posted...
Sad but there's consequences for shooting at an officer of the law. dude 1. they were pellets, not bullets 2. she didn't know they were cops. she thought the movie The Strangers had turned true for her it's not fair that when people dont know they are cops and they get terrified that they get murdered for being scared. but when a cop is scared, they get a paid vacation ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SunWuKung420 01/20/18 1:27:16 PM #40: |
If pot was legal, little old ladies wouldn't be getting shot by an increasingly overly militarized police force.
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AC_Dragonfire 01/20/18 1:29:16 PM #41: |
Livingston, the subject of the search warrant, was arrested as he watched his mother get shot in the chest and bleed out on the floor of their home.
That's just a great story.... -__- Marijuana should just be legalized for the entire country. FEDERALLY. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 01/20/18 1:38:12 PM #42: |
AC_Dragonfire posted...
Livingston, the subject of the search warrant, was arrested as he watched his mother get shot in the chest and bleed out on the floor of their home. Nope, Police should be trained FEDERALLY. Raids without identifying themselves should be outright illegal unless they're certain the building only has serious criminals inside. --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smarkil 01/20/18 1:40:47 PM #43: |
Kyuubi4269 posted...
I like how 'murica claims to be more free but the Police operate as a death squad suppressing the public. >he says as people are getting arrested for posting on twitter in his country --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 01/20/18 1:43:23 PM #44: |
Smarkil posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...I like how 'murica claims to be more free but the Police operate as a death squad suppressing the public. Even if it were true, he also didn't die. Our police wear bulletproof vests, yours shoot at them. --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smarkil 01/20/18 1:47:21 PM #45: |
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Smarkil posted...Kyuubi4269 posted...I like how 'murica claims to be more free but the Police operate as a death squad suppressing the public. You're right. Every person in the US who has an interaction with police is shot and killed. My bad. I forgot about that. --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 01/20/18 2:13:15 PM #46: |
Smarkil posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...Smarkil posted...Kyuubi4269 posted...I like how 'murica claims to be more free but the Police operate as a death squad suppressing the public. You also forgot that UK Police don't shoot any one. (and the Armed Police shoot less than SWAT.) --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff ... Copied to Clipboard!
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magemaximus 01/20/18 2:18:33 PM #47: |
There was a cas leafy year or two years ago where the police did a no knock raid and the owner of the house killed one of them. He was found not guilty for that I think.
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Lokarin 01/20/18 11:57:40 PM #48: |
Nightengale posted...
oh lokarin... why are you reading these sites Surry, I was at ma parents so I couldn't reply punctually. It's for teh clickbaits --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos ... Copied to Clipboard!
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