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darcandkharg31
11/28/17 1:22:56 AM
#52:


darkknight109 posted...
A genealogist traced her heritage back and confirmed she has Native heritage. Conservatives dispute the findings. Hence why I said "debatable."

I really don't care to segue the debate into this, because it's completely unrelated to the topic of whether or not Trump's comment was or wasn't offensive.

back to like 1/32nd Native lulz, that's like not native at all.
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OhhhJa
11/28/17 1:25:10 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
OhhhJa posted...
darkknight109 posted...
Debatable.

Hardly. Nobody ever found any trace of it when researching her ancestry and the best she could come up with herself was, "mommy said we were"

A genealogist traced her heritage back and confirmed she has Native heritage. Conservatives dispute the findings. Hence why I said "debatable."

I really don't care to segue the debate into this, because it's completely unrelated to the topic of whether or not Trump's comment was or wasn't offensive.

I'm not surprised you don't want to segue into that. Because you'd be a fool to defend her. The best I could find in my second Google search to attempt to verify your claim was this from the Atlantic...

"Despite a nearly three week flap over her claim of "being Native American," the progressive consumer advocate has been unable to point to evidence of Native heritage except for an unsubstantiated thirdhand report that she might be 1/32 Cherokee"

Couldn't find anything more supportive of your claim even from hard left sources.

As for yellow... I don't care to talk with you you're an inflammatory leftist poster who hardly seems mentally stable most of the time you post.
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Yellow
11/28/17 1:30:59 AM
#54:


OhhhJa posted...
As for yellow... I don't care to talk with you you're an inflammatory leftist poster who hardly seems mentally stable most of the time you post.

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Zeus
11/28/17 1:33:10 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
You're right, it's not. The difference is that, instead of Trump's usual grade-school-level dipshittery - like "Little Marco Rubio" or "Crooked Hillary" - he chose to insult Warren by using her race/heritage. That crosses the line from insulting to offensive.


Except he's not mocking her for having heritage, he's mocking her for not having heritage while claiming that she does.

Yellow posted...
it's amazing he gets away with it.


Meaning what? That he isn't tossed in prison for making a remark with which you disagree?

Yellow posted...
Claimed the Boy Scouts of America's leader called him to thank him personally after his speech to them, Boy Scouts of America confirmed that never happened


Given that there's no way to confirm that, you've fallen into the same trap you accuse Nate of stumbling into with Warren's bullshit heritage claim.

Yellow posted...
- Claimed Time Magazine wanted him to be "Person of the Year" on Twitter, got immediately disproven by Time Magazine (This was yesterday?)


Again, not really how it works. You could say "disputed" or "denied" (either one is apt), but one person's word against the other isn't really proof.

Yellow posted...
- Called Elizabeth Warren "Pocahantus" during an event honoring Native Americans


lolwut? Was it really so hard to try to find a third thing to claim that you had to reference the very event cited in the creation of this topic?
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OhhhJa
11/28/17 1:34:08 AM
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Yellow posted...
OhhhJa posted...
As for yellow... I don't care to talk with you you're an inflammatory leftist poster who hardly seems mentally stable most of the time you post.

PijcGEU

Why dont you make another topic about how a girl has you feeling mentally unstable again?
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OhhhJa
11/28/17 1:35:07 AM
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Hilarious part is that I'm ACTUALLY 1/16th Cherokee and am neither offended nor do I claim to be native American
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darkknight109
11/28/17 1:46:19 AM
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Zeus posted...
Except he's not mocking her for having heritage, he's mocking her for not having heritage while claiming that she does.


darcandkharg31 posted...
back to like 1/32nd Native lulz, that's like not native at all.


OhhhJa posted...
I'm not surprised you don't want to segue into that. Because you'd be a fool to defend her. The best I could find in my second Google search to attempt to verify your claim was this from the Atlantic...

"Despite a nearly three week flap over her claim of "being Native American," the progressive consumer advocate has been unable to point to evidence of Native heritage except for an unsubstantiated thirdhand report that she might be 1/32 Cherokee"

Couldn't find anything more supportive of your claim even from hard left sources.

As for yellow... I don't care to talk with you you're an inflammatory leftist poster who hardly seems mentally stable most of the time you post.


You guys apparently missed my last post:

darkknight109 posted...
I really don't care to segue the debate into this, because it's completely unrelated to the topic of whether or not Trump's comment was or wasn't offensive.


Even if you are 100% convinced that Warren has no claim to Native ancestry, it changes nothing about whether or not Trump's moniker is offensive (which it is).
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darcandkharg31
11/28/17 1:47:51 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
it changes nothing about whether or not Trump's moniker is offensive

As a Native i'm not offended *shrugs*
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Yellow
11/28/17 1:48:55 AM
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Zeus posted...
Given that there's no way to confirm that, you've fallen into the same trap you accuse Nate of stumbling into with Warren's bullshit heritage claim.

Time literally came out and told us they said no such compliments. So did The Boy Scouts. The Boy Scouts and Time Magazine would both have to be lying through their teeth for Trump to be telling the truth here. TBSoA is largely Conservative.

And is that Nathan? Christ Ico stop making alts to make it seem like more people agree with you

OhhhJa posted...
Why dont you make another topic about how a girl has you feeling mentally unstable again?

No, that fucking sucked.

Look at all these personal attacks. Someone must be out of ammo. Why are you being mean to me after I just cleared your name in the other topic Ico? That's not nice.
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DeathMagnetic80
11/28/17 1:49:44 AM
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Let's put aside the fact that Trump calls Elizabeth Warren that any chance he can to mock her... he had to talk shit on a Democrat in the middle of a ceremony honoring freaking war heroes. That's why it bugs me. Double shit head points for doing this in front of a portrait of Old Trail of Tears.
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OhhhJa
11/28/17 1:50:22 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
it changes nothing about whether or not Trump's moniker is offensive (which it is).

I think in all your pseudo intellectual verbosity you've forgotten what opinions are
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Zeus
11/28/17 1:51:22 AM
#63:


darkknight109 posted...
Zeus posted...
Except he's not mocking her for having heritage, he's mocking her for not having heritage while claiming that she does.


darcandkharg31 posted...
back to like 1/32nd Native lulz, that's like not native at all.


OhhhJa posted...
I'm not surprised you don't want to segue into that. Because you'd be a fool to defend her. The best I could find in my second Google search to attempt to verify your claim was this from the Atlantic...

"Despite a nearly three week flap over her claim of "being Native American," the progressive consumer advocate has been unable to point to evidence of Native heritage except for an unsubstantiated thirdhand report that she might be 1/32 Cherokee"

Couldn't find anything more supportive of your claim even from hard left sources.

As for yellow... I don't care to talk with you you're an inflammatory leftist poster who hardly seems mentally stable most of the time you post.


You guys apparently missed my last post:

darkknight109 posted...
I really don't care to segue the debate into this, because it's completely unrelated to the topic of whether or not Trump's comment was or wasn't offensive.


Even if you are 100% convinced that Warren has no claim to Native ancestry, it changes nothing about whether or not Trump's moniker is offensive (which it is).


Except it 100% does change it.There's a pretty substantial difference in making fun of somebody's heritage vs mocking them for pretending that their heritage is something else. In the former, the target is the heritage. In the latter, the target is the lie.
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darcandkharg31
11/28/17 1:52:22 AM
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DeathMagnetic80 posted...
he had to talk shit on a Democrat in the middle of a ceremony honoring freaking war heroes. That's why it bugs me. Double shit head points for doing this in front of a portrait of Old Trail of Tears.

Yeah, that's the only thing I didn't care for, like he could call her Pocahontas till the Sun blows up but it was a bad time to do it.
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DeathMagnetic80
11/28/17 1:55:37 AM
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darcandkharg31 posted...
DeathMagnetic80 posted...
he had to talk shit on a Democrat in the middle of a ceremony honoring freaking war heroes. That's why it bugs me. Double shit head points for doing this in front of a portrait of Old Trail of Tears.

Yeah, that's the only thing I didn't care for, like he could call her Pocahontas till the Sun blows up but it was a bad time to do it.


That's the thing about the dude: he can't NOT be a dickhead at any given situation. Look at the Halloween thing with the press' kids and he has to talk shit on the media (their freaking parents) because he has no sense of decency.
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Cacciato
11/28/17 2:19:38 AM
#66:


OhhhJa posted...
Hilarious part is that I'm ACTUALLY 1/16th Cherokee

Said every white American ever.
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OhhhJa
11/28/17 2:28:40 AM
#67:


Cacciato posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Hilarious part is that I'm ACTUALLY 1/16th Cherokee

Said every white American ever.

That's the joke on buffett but I actually have family pictures to prove it... not just stories from momma
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Cacciato
11/28/17 2:45:30 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
Cacciato posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Hilarious part is that I'm ACTUALLY 1/16th Cherokee

Said every white American ever.

That's the joke on buffett but I actually have family pictures to prove it... not just stories from momma

Got a card? Then I dont give a shit because Ive got the same pictures to prove it.
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OhhhJa
11/28/17 2:54:14 AM
#69:


Cacciato posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Cacciato posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Hilarious part is that I'm ACTUALLY 1/16th Cherokee

Said every white American ever.

That's the joke on buffett but I actually have family pictures to prove it... not just stories from momma

Got a card? Then I dont give a shit because Ive got the same pictures to prove it.

Good for you? Lots of people in the US have native American ancestry. Thats what happens when people live in the same region. You arguing with family pictures of someone on a message board seems kinda pointless. Not sure what your endgame is
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Mead
11/28/17 2:57:58 AM
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Zeus once again is opposed to the views of a minority group

Not racist in the slightest
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OhhhJa
11/28/17 3:05:13 AM
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This is just another case of white leftists being far more outraged than the groups themselves they're outraged for. Not to mention, the most offensive part of this being buffett's claims to advance her career.
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Boomerang78
11/28/17 3:09:37 AM
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Man, Trump could shit on a plate and throw it at a homeless veteran's face and some of you would still find ways to defend him.
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darkknight109
11/28/17 3:29:49 AM
#73:


darcandkharg31 posted...
As a Native i'm not offended *shrugs*

Good for you. If a black person tells you he's not offended by a racial slur, that doesn't give you Cart Blanche to just say it whenever you like.

Zeus posted...
Except it 100% does change it.There's a pretty substantial difference in making fun of somebody's heritage vs mocking them for pretending that their heritage is something else. In the former, the target is the heritage. In the latter, the target is the lie.

So call her "Faker" or "Poser" or something. Those would still be in line with the typical Trumpian epithets that would make an eight-year-old roll their eyes, but at least you're not using a racial epithet.

OhhhJa posted...
This is just another case of white leftists being far more outraged than the groups themselves they're outraged for.

Yeah, you know, aside from Navajo Nation and the National Congress of American Indians both saying that it was inappropriate and derogatory.

OhhhJa posted...
Not to mention, the most offensive part of this being buffett's claims to advance her career.

Someone's been getting their talking points from Sanders's press conferences again.
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darcandkharg31
11/28/17 3:40:08 AM
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darkknight109 posted...

Good for you. If a black person tells you he's not offended by a racial slur, that doesn't give you Cart Blanche to just say it whenever you like.

Yes, this is totally in line with calling a black person the N word. *rolls eyes*
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Yellow
11/28/17 3:54:29 AM
#76:


Actually I'm deleting that because it's very likely doing what Trump does ironically will get me banned

And this username is too cool for that.
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faramir77
11/28/17 4:17:19 AM
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This is golden. What a fucking moron.
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ForteEXE3850
11/28/17 4:29:40 AM
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Did the Navajo save their tribe with the power of magical song like Pocahontas?
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ClarkDuke
11/28/17 4:54:20 AM
#79:


OhhhJa posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Yellow posted...
Every Asian man I meet is Jackie Chan. It's the literal holy consecration of the PC chains shackling us all. Basically, I'm doing God's work.

no actually that would just be racist

Missing the point. Pocahontas was a princess. I think that's a large part of the insult and not a simple implication that all native Americans are Pocahontas

How do you manage, you must get so tired reaching for excuses, ok?

You got any excuses for her claiming to be Native American to advance her career and then double down when called out? Somehow Trump's little jab is worse than her doing that? You just got rekt b

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ClarkDuke
11/28/17 5:06:20 AM
#80:


Mead posted...
Zeus once again is opposed to the views of a minority group

Not racist in the slightest

Careful, after the recent topics ripping Zeus apart, a moderator informed me he's complaining his feelings are hurt, we should take it down a notch, ok?
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ArvTheGreat
11/28/17 11:14:49 AM
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real americans call things out how they see it
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SKARDAVNELNATE
11/28/17 3:58:26 PM
#82:


Doctor Foxx posted...
Disney had straight up started with blackface in their animated films, they have a long history of racism

I don't see what's racist about that either. Do we just get offend by acknowledging that there are different skin colors? Is that how it works?
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mooreandrew58
11/28/17 4:06:41 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Disney had straight up started with blackface in their animated films, they have a long history of racism

I don't see what's racist about that either. Do we just get offend by acknowledging that there are different skin colors? Is that how it works?


think its more the way they where portrayed. wasn't considered racist back then, but is today.
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Blightzkrieg
11/28/17 4:11:11 PM
#84:


mooreandrew58 posted...
SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Disney had straight up started with blackface in their animated films, they have a long history of racism

I don't see what's racist about that either. Do we just get offend by acknowledging that there are different skin colors? Is that how it works?


think its more the way they where portrayed. wasn't considered racist back then, but is today.

Based on what I've seen of old school Disney I think it would be considered racist then too.
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SKARDAVNELNATE
11/28/17 4:12:39 PM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
think its more the way they where portrayed. wasn't considered racist back then, but is today.

So the thing itself wasn't the issue. People just wanted to stir up trouble by making an issue out of it.
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JanwayDaahl
11/28/17 4:18:13 PM
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SushiSquid posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Why is that "offensive"

You kidding? He's mocking her for having native heritage at a ceremony honoring natives. It's all sorts of levels of fucked up, stupid, and yes, offensive.


That's not really offensive in the context that he used it. It sounded more as though he was being endearing, but alas, we live in the days where trigglipuffs get upset over absolutely nothing.
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mooreandrew58
11/28/17 4:19:31 PM
#87:


Blightzkrieg posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Disney had straight up started with blackface in their animated films, they have a long history of racism

I don't see what's racist about that either. Do we just get offend by acknowledging that there are different skin colors? Is that how it works?


think its more the way they where portrayed. wasn't considered racist back then, but is today.

Based on what I've seen of old school Disney I think it would be considered racist then too.


based on today's views. people thought differently back then. at least for white people. I can't claim to know what black people thought of it, but that likely wasn't who they where directing their product at.

but back then weren't black people still very very clearly second class citizens? i've only seen a clip or two of said thing in question, and from what I saw it seemed like they where just portraying them how it was back then, just in a much more cartoonish manner. I could be wrong though as I said i've only seen like a clip when some show I was watching was talking about how it got censored at some point in more modern history due to the racial implications. think in the clip I recall it just showed them being servants or some shit

or are we talking about how they where drawn? I think I recall them being drawn with big lips and shit like that.

but at the end of the day its a known fact walt disney was a racist man isn't it? I mean I recall it being well known he disliked jewish people.
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darkknight109
11/28/17 6:15:03 PM
#88:


SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Disney had straight up started with blackface in their animated films, they have a long history of racism

I don't see what's racist about that either. Do we just get offend by acknowledging that there are different skin colors? Is that how it works?

You know that "blackface" isn't just showing black people in their films, right?
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SKARDAVNELNATE
11/28/17 7:24:46 PM
#89:


darkknight109 posted...
You know that "blackface" isn't just showing black people in their films, right?

No, I know nothing of the sort.
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Doctor Foxx
11/28/17 7:32:20 PM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
based on today's views. people thought differently back then. at least for white people. I can't claim to know what black people thought of it, but that likely wasn't who they where directing their product at.

They knew it was racist. The difference is racism was socially acceptable then and everything was made for white people. Lots of things were just made for white people to stereotype and mock other races.

Regardless as to who the media was directed at it can still be (was and remains) blatantly racist
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11/28/17 7:41:21 PM
#91:


GanonsSpirit posted...
In before vocal cord parasites.

Is this MGSV?
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darkknight109
11/29/17 1:06:15 AM
#92:


SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
darkknight109 posted...
You know that "blackface" isn't just showing black people in their films, right?

No, I know nothing of the sort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackface

The tl;dr version is that Blackface isn't just black people in movies/cartoons, it's some really awful black racial caricatures that have their roots in some pretty awful traditions.

darcandkharg31 posted...
darkknight109 posted...

Good for you. If a black person tells you he's not offended by a racial slur, that doesn't give you Cart Blanche to just say it whenever you like.

Yes, this is totally in line with calling a black person the N word. *rolls eyes*

Never said it was. I was simply pointing out that just because you don't think it's offensive doesn't mean it isn't offensive period.
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darcandkharg31
11/29/17 1:26:04 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
Never said it was. I was simply pointing out that just because you don't think it's offensive doesn't mean it isn't offensive period.

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Yellow
11/29/17 1:31:48 AM
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Plenty of Natives were upset so frankly that's just hot air.

The room was dead silent too while he said it. You act like people want him thrown in jail because he said something stupid. In reality, he just said something stupid and people are talking about how stupid it was.

As if Trump isn't just begging for the attention anyway.
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darcandkharg31
11/29/17 1:43:23 AM
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Yellow posted...
Plenty of Natives were upset so frankly that's just hot air.

The room was dead silent too while he said it. You act like people want him thrown in jail because he said something stupid. In reality, he just said something stupid and people are talking about how stupid it was.

I already said it was bad that he brought it up at the ceremony, inappropriate and like some other person said here, disrespectful. I was engaging darkkinght because he said was Trump was attacking her heritage with a racial slur, when in fact she's isn't even native and mocking her with the name Pocahontas I don't find offensive.
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Yellow
11/29/17 1:49:32 AM
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I don't see the difference between that and calling some random Mexican Pedro.
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darcandkharg31
11/29/17 1:53:05 AM
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Yellow posted...
I don't see the difference between that and calling some random Mexican Pedro.

Because you're already conditioned to find any little thing even kinda tied to race as majorly offensive, it's the 2017 mindset, use anything to get mad.
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Yellow
11/29/17 2:02:18 AM
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darcandkharg31 posted...
Because you're already conditioned to find any little thing even kinda tied to race as majorly offensive, it's the 2017 mindset, use anything to get mad.

Pretty sure Pedro wouldn't feel the same way. He'd probably feel like he's being discriminated and made fun of over his race. I am not enlighted as you are.
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darcandkharg31
11/29/17 2:04:28 AM
#100:


Yellow posted...
He'd probably feel like he's being discriminated and made fun of over his race.

Well yeah, you go around calling people Pedro because they're mexican then you're making fun of and discriminating them

This is not the case with Warren. This was calling her out because of her claims.

Yellow posted...
I am not enlighted as you are.

It's okay, I forgive you.
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Yellow
11/29/17 2:23:13 AM
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That's a pretty racist thing to say if she isn't Native.
It's even more racist if she is.
It's an extremely racist and inappropriate thing to use as an insult in front of a room full of Native Americans. It's almost as if he's tongue in cheek mocking them.

Fuck Trump and fuck his blatant racism. Fuck pseudo internet "free speech" where we assign every racist an army of internet attorneys to damage control.

Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't the PotUS addressing the nation.
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darcandkharg31
11/29/17 2:34:37 AM
#102:


Yellow posted...
That's a pretty racist thing to say if she isn't Native.

lulz, wat.

Yellow posted...
It's even more racist if she is.

but she's not, so moot.

Yellow posted...
It's an extremely racist and inappropriate thing to use as an insult in front of a room full of Native Americans.

inappropriate and disrespectful yeah, extremely racist naw, maybe if he called them a bunch of drunks and wagon burners, now that would be extremely racist.

Yellow posted...
Fuck Trump and fuck his blatant racism. Fuck pseudo internet "free speech" where we assign every racist an army of internet attorneys to damage control.

I'm exploding with emotion!!!!!
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Yellow
11/29/17 2:45:13 AM
#103:


darcandkharg31 posted...
lulz, wat.

Yes, slurs are pretty racist. Pocahantus used in that context is a slur.

darcandkharg31 posted...
but she's not, so moot.

As if it even matters.

darcandkharg31 posted...
inappropriate and disrespectful yeah, extremely racist naw, maybe if he called them a bunch of drunks and wagon burners, now that would be extremely racist.

Oh so calling a room full of people drunks and wagon burners is racist just because they happen to be Native American? What is this, 2019?
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