Poll of the Day > Trump brings up 'Pocahontas' at event honoring Navajo code talkers.

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WastelandCowboy
11/27/17 5:51:06 PM
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https://www.npr.org/2017/11/27/566783261/trump-brings-up-pocahontas-at-event-honoring-navajo-code-talkers

President Trump decided to bring up one of his favorite nicknames during an event honoring Navajo Code Talkers but it's one that is widely seen as a slur offensive to Native Americans.

"You were here long before any of us were here," Trump told the men who were being honored for their service during World War II, which helped transmit critical secret messages that helped the U.S. and Allied powers win the war.

But then Trump continued with a reference to Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass. "Although we have a representative in Congress who they say was here a long time ago. They call her 'Pocahontas.' "

The name is one Trump has used to demean Warren. She had claimed Native American heritage in a law school directory, and it later became an issue during her 2012 Senate campaign. Then-GOP Sen. Scott Brown, who is now Trump's ambassador to New Zealand, accused her of using that as an advantage to get ahead in her academic career.

The Washington Post Fact Checker found that "outstanding questions about Warren's directory listing and her relying on family lore rather than official documentation to make an ethnic claim certainly raise serious concerns about Warren's judgment. But in the debate, [Brown] conflated conjecture and sketchy information to make a claim not supported by the available evidence." The Post gave "Two Pinocchios" for Brown's assertion that Warren had claimed she was Native American in applications for jobs at Harvard University and the University of Pennsylvania.

Trump has called Warren "Pocahontas" 12 times on Twitter, in either his own tweets or retweets.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Goofy Elizabeth Warren, sometimes referred to as Pocahontas, pretended to be a Native American in order to advance her career. Very racist!
3:28 PM - Jun 11, 2016

Donald J. Trump
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I hope that Crooked Hillary picks Goofy Elizabeth Warren, sometimes referred to as Pocahontas, as her V.P. Then we can litigate her fraud!
4:14 AM - Jul 17, 2016

He brought back the controversial term just a few weeks ago to hit Warren, who has been mentioned as a possible 2020 challenger to Trump.

Donald J. Trump
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Pocahontas just stated that the Democrats, lead by the legendary Crooked Hillary Clinton, rigged the Primaries! Lets go FBI & Justice Dept.
3:55 AM - Nov 3, 2017

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders defended Trump's use of the term on Monday, saying in the daily press briefing that it wasn't the president's intent to use a racial slur.

"I think what most people find offensive is Elizabeth Warren lying about her heritage," Sanders said.

Warren responded on MSNBC, saying, "It is deeply unfortunate that the president of the United States cannot even make it through a ceremony honoring these heroes without having to throw out a racial slur."

Three former Navajo Code Talkers joined the president on Monday, including Peter MacDonald, former chairman of the Navajo Nation. MacDonald shared the Marines' history and their role in keeping communications secret during World War II. MacDonald said the 13 surviving Code Talkers "still have one mission": to build a national Navajo Code Talker museum.

"Why? Because what we did truly represents who we are as Americans. America, we know, is composed of diverse community. We have different languages, different skills, different talents, and different religion," he said. "But when our way of life is threatened ... freedom and liberty that we all cherish, we come together as one. And when we come together as one, we are invincible. We cannot be defeated."
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WastelandCowboy
11/27/17 5:51:19 PM
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Trump declined to give his full prepared remarks after MacDonald, saying the retired Marine "said it better."

It wasn't just Trump's use of Pocahontas that was seen as a major faux pas, though. The Oval Office event also took place in front of a portrait of former President Andrew Jackson who ordered the forced removal of thousands of Native Americans from the Southeast to the West, known as the "Trail of Tears." More than 4,000 Cherokee people died during the migration.
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SmokeMassTree
11/27/17 5:58:10 PM
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Why is that "offensive"
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SushiSquid
11/27/17 6:01:05 PM
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SmokeMassTree posted...
Why is that "offensive"

You kidding? He's mocking her for having native heritage at a ceremony honoring natives. It's all sorts of levels of fucked up, stupid, and yes, offensive.
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Andromicus
11/27/17 6:02:52 PM
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As someone who is 1/16th Cherokee I am deeply offended but as a 15/16 white male I'm gonna let it pass because it's just locker room talk.
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SmokeMassTree
11/27/17 6:04:20 PM
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Uhh no

It's not like Pocahontas has any negative stigma around it.

Y'all will find anything to get "offended" by
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GastroFan
11/27/17 6:05:59 PM
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People are surprised by the insensitivity and crassness of this President? I'd be more surprised if he didn't say something insensitive, crass, callous, petty and vindictive about someone (other than those he believes are on 'his side').
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Melon_Master
11/27/17 6:07:38 PM
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SmokeMassTree posted...
Why is that "offensive"

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SmokeMassTree
11/27/17 6:08:30 PM
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Still waiting on an actual reason that is offensive
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mooreandrew58
11/27/17 6:08:39 PM
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GastroFan posted...
People are surprised by the insensitivity and crassness of this President? I'd be more surprised if he didn't say something insensitive, crass, callous, petty and vindictive about someone (other than those he believes are on 'his side').


I guess thats true I was really surprised about how nicely he talked about hillary in his acceptance speech right after the election.
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Mead
11/27/17 6:13:23 PM
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His base will love him even more for this
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SKARDAVNELNATE
11/27/17 6:18:55 PM
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SmokeMassTree posted...
Why is that "offensive"

I don't get it either. It's a Disney movie after all.
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OhhhJa
11/27/17 6:21:20 PM
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SmokeMassTree posted...
Still waiting on an actual reason that is offensive


It's offensive because Trump won and whiners are gonna look for reasons to be mad. If this actually upsets you then you probably are a eunuch. "Look he's making fun of eunuchs now!"
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TheWorstPoster
11/27/17 6:22:42 PM
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SushiSquid posted...

You kidding? He's mocking her for having native heritage at a ceremony honoring natives. It's all sorts of levels of fucked up, stupid, and yes, offensive.


That is because she has none whatsoever. She lied about her heritage to get herself into Harvard. Her only "evidence" she has brought up, ever, was that her great-grandmother or something co-authored a book called "Pow-Wow Chow".

I am not making any of that up.
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GanonsSpirit
11/27/17 6:22:48 PM
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In before vocal cord parasites.
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darkknight109
11/27/17 6:24:14 PM
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SmokeMassTree posted...
Why is that "offensive"

Ask yourself a question: if it's not meant to be insulting, why is Trump using it to refer to Warren?
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SKARDAVNELNATE
11/27/17 6:29:23 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Why is that "offensive"

Ask yourself a question: if it's not meant to be insulting, why is Trump using it to refer to Warren?

I think it's more dismissive than insulting, but that's kind of how Trump works. He never says anything outright. He lets the audience interpret and argue over interpretation.
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ninja_lootz
11/27/17 7:01:02 PM
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I love this man.
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SmokeMassTree
11/27/17 7:10:59 PM
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SmokeMassTree posted...
Still waiting on an actual reason that is offensive

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Mead
11/27/17 7:20:27 PM
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No one talk about net neutrality

Everyone talk about this thing I said
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knivesX2004
11/27/17 7:31:46 PM
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Mead posted...
No one talk about net neutrality

Everyone talk about this thing I said

It's like the distractions are working for the GOP.
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wah_wah_wah
11/27/17 7:35:53 PM
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Did he think the native Americans were going to immediately get that reference to his creeper feud with Elizabeth Warren?
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MacrossSpecial
11/27/17 7:59:24 PM
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He has lived in a rich-guy bubble his entire life, I'd think that anyone would be crazy given those circumstances.

I'm looking forward to seeing who the next president will be since America votes in the opposite of the previous guy every term.
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darkknight109
11/27/17 8:08:41 PM
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SmokeMassTree posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Still waiting on an actual reason that is offensive

darkknight109 posted...
Ask yourself a question: if it's not meant to be insulting, why is Trump using it to refer to Warren?

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BADoglick
11/27/17 8:22:06 PM
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The left can't even explain why they're offended by something anymore. They just know 'guy I dislike made comment that vaguely references race so I have to be offended so that way everyone else dislikes the guy I dislike'.

And I say that as someone who eagerly rips into Trump and his base.

But seriously, you can't even say why you're offended, and you're scrambling to defend somebody who exploited affirmative action for personal gain. Pick your battles. This is unimportant nonsense used to rule up the left, and you're all falling for it.
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SmokeMassTree
11/27/17 8:42:19 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Still waiting on an actual reason that is offensive

darkknight109 posted...
Ask yourself a question: if it's not meant to be insulting, why is Trump using it to refer to Warren?


So you got nothing
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
11/27/17 8:44:52 PM
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SmokeMassTree posted...
Why is that "offensive"

Based on ya not understandin 400lbs is unhealthy not shocked ya can't wrap round this sitch.
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Doctor Foxx
11/27/17 9:05:29 PM
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BADoglick posted...
The left can't even explain why they're offended by something anymore. They just know 'guy I dislike made comment that vaguely references race so I have to be offended so that way everyone else dislikes the guy I dislike'.

And I say that as someone who eagerly rips into Trump and his base.

But seriously, you can't even say why you're offended, and you're scrambling to defend somebody who exploited affirmative action for personal gain. Pick your battles. This is unimportant nonsense used to rule up the left, and you're all falling for it.

it's not a difficult concept

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-pocahontas-native-americans-elizabeth-warren-racial-slur-723858

i'd say doing all of that in front of a portrait of Andrew Jackson was quite the insensitive gesture

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Why is that "offensive"

I don't get it either. It's a Disney movie after all.

Disney had straight up started with blackface in their animated films, they have a long history of racism
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CSRouge96
11/27/17 11:52:41 PM
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This just in, our president is a fucking joke, water is wet, and the sky is blue!
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Blightzkrieg
11/27/17 11:53:36 PM
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haha take that libruls
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Zeus
11/27/17 11:58:22 PM
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I lol'd when I heard about it on NPR this afternoon. Granted, I'm sure a lot of presidents have taken random potshots at opponents during unrelated events.

SushiSquid posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Why is that "offensive"

You kidding? He's mocking her for having native heritage at a ceremony honoring natives. It's all sorts of levels of fucked up, stupid, and yes, offensive.


He's mocking her for making up native heritage. She's not actually native.

darkknight109 posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Why is that "offensive"

Ask yourself a question: if it's not meant to be insulting, why is Trump using it to refer to Warren?


Insulting and offensive are not synonymous terms. I understand that there's a general trend to broaden the idea of offensiveness, but trying to classify anything intended as an insult as offensive strictly on the merits of it being an insult is wrongheaded.

wah_wah_wah posted...
Did he think the native Americans were going to immediately get that reference to his creeper feud with Elizabeth Warren?


Given that he's made headlines over his feud, sure. And what's "creeper" about it, exactly? Cringy, maybe, since both individuals have acted pretty poorly but nothing really creepy let alone creeper.
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VeeVees
11/28/17 12:09:11 AM
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Trump was in the movie

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Yellow
11/28/17 12:14:43 AM
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Every Asian man I meet is Jackie Chan. It's the literal holy consecration of the PC chains shackling us all. Basically, I'm doing God's work.

no actually that would just be racist
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ClarkDuke
11/28/17 12:14:44 AM
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Zeus posted...
He's mocking her for making up native heritage. She's not actually native.

Like how you made up being a legend here, I get it now, ok?
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OhhhJa
11/28/17 12:20:24 AM
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Yellow posted...
Every Asian man I meet is Jackie Chan. It's the literal holy consecration of the PC chains shackling us all. Basically, I'm doing God's work.

no actually that would just be racist

Missing the point. Pocahontas was a princess. I think that's a large part of the insult and not a simple implication that all native Americans are Pocahontas
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ClarkDuke
11/28/17 12:27:07 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
Yellow posted...
Every Asian man I meet is Jackie Chan. It's the literal holy consecration of the PC chains shackling us all. Basically, I'm doing God's work.

no actually that would just be racist

Missing the point. Pocahontas was a princess. I think that's a large part of the insult and not a simple implication that all native Americans are Pocahontas

How do you manage, you must get so tired reaching for excuses, ok?
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darcandkharg31
11/28/17 12:27:18 AM
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Eh, bad timing to bring that "insult" out but overall I have no problem with him calling her out with the Pocahontas thing.
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jramirez23
11/28/17 12:30:31 AM
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He's like a middle schooler the way he uses "Pocahontas" to make fun of Sen. Warren at an event that doesn't even have anything to do with her.
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TallTamryu
11/28/17 12:43:06 AM
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I think it's actually stupid more than offensive.
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ssj4supervegeta
11/28/17 12:44:43 AM
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SushiSquid posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Why is that "offensive"

You kidding? He's mocking her for having native heritage at a ceremony honoring natives. It's all sorts of levels of fucked up, stupid, and yes, offensive.

no it isnt.
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OhhhJa
11/28/17 12:57:23 AM
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ClarkDuke posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Yellow posted...
Every Asian man I meet is Jackie Chan. It's the literal holy consecration of the PC chains shackling us all. Basically, I'm doing God's work.

no actually that would just be racist

Missing the point. Pocahontas was a princess. I think that's a large part of the insult and not a simple implication that all native Americans are Pocahontas

How do you manage, you must get so tired reaching for excuses, ok?

You got any excuses for her claiming to be Native American to advance her career and then double down when called out? Somehow Trump's little jab is worse than her doing that? You just got rekt b
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OhhhJa
11/28/17 12:59:05 AM
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ssj4supervegeta posted...
SushiSquid posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Why is that "offensive"

You kidding? He's mocking her for having native heritage at a ceremony honoring natives. It's all sorts of levels of fucked up, stupid, and yes, offensive.

no it isnt.

Not to mention she doesn't actually have any Native American heritage. But she's democrat so liberals won't call her out for that
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darkknight109
11/28/17 1:06:21 AM
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SmokeMassTree posted...
darkknight109 posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Still waiting on an actual reason that is offensive

darkknight109 posted...
Ask yourself a question: if it's not meant to be insulting, why is Trump using it to refer to Warren?


So you got nothing

Says the guy who won't answer my question.

Anyways, if you haven't figured it out yet, Yellow had the best explanation - he's basically referring to her using a racial stereotype. No different than if he called a black person "50 Cent" or an Indian "Apu".

Zeus posted...
Insulting and offensive are not synonymous terms. I understand that there's a general trend to broaden the idea of offensiveness, but trying to classify anything intended as an insult as offensive strictly on the merits of it being an insult is wrongheaded.

You're right, it's not. The difference is that, instead of Trump's usual grade-school-level dipshittery - like "Little Marco Rubio" or "Crooked Hillary" - he chose to insult Warren by using her race/heritage. That crosses the line from insulting to offensive.
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darcandkharg31
11/28/17 1:09:57 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
insult Warren by using her race/heritage

are you just purposely ignoring the part that says she isn't actually native?
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darkknight109
11/28/17 1:12:12 AM
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darcandkharg31 posted...
darkknight109 posted...
insult Warren by using her race/heritage

are you just purposely ignoring the part that says she isn't actually native?

Debatable. Regardless, even if you believe she isn't, that still doesn't make the invective any less offensive.
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OhhhJa
11/28/17 1:12:22 AM
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darcandkharg31 posted...
darkknight109 posted...
insult Warren by using her race/heritage

are you just purposely ignoring the part that says she isn't actually native?

Yeah he's dedicated when it comes to arguing about victims of "offensive" speech
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OhhhJa
11/28/17 1:13:51 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
Debatable.

Hardly. Nobody ever found any trace of it when researching her ancestry and the best she could come up with herself was, "mommy said we were"
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I_Always_Die
11/28/17 1:18:37 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
SmokeMassTree posted...
Why is that "offensive"

Ask yourself a question: if it's not meant to be insulting, why is Trump using it to refer to Warren?

basically. its obviously antagonistic and very un-presidential
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darkknight109
11/28/17 1:19:23 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
darkknight109 posted...
Debatable.

Hardly. Nobody ever found any trace of it when researching her ancestry and the best she could come up with herself was, "mommy said we were"

A genealogist traced her heritage back and confirmed she has Native heritage. Conservatives dispute the findings. Hence why I said "debatable."

I really don't care to segue the debate into this, because it's completely unrelated to the topic of whether or not Trump's comment was or wasn't offensive.
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Yellow
11/28/17 1:20:13 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
You got any excuses for her claiming to be Native American to advance her career and then double down when called out? Somehow Trump's little jab is worse than her doing that? You just got rekt b

You wrecked yourself

She says she's 1/32 native American, but there's no proof that she is, so a bunch of buffoons use that to confirm she's just a fraud

I don't know how I'm supposed to argue with someone who thinks calling someone Pocahontas during an event that's supposed to honor Native Americans is a good thing for a president to do.

He does so much stupid shit by the day it's amazing he gets away with it. I'm going to have to keep a list. It's hard to forget when you have a list.

- Claimed the Boy Scouts of America's leader called him to thank him personally after his speech to them, Boy Scouts of America confirmed that never happened and apologized for his politically-charged sexual-innuendo-filled speech.
- Claimed Time Magazine wanted him to be "Person of the Year" on Twitter, got immediately disproven by Time Magazine (This was yesterday?)
- Called Elizabeth Warren "Pocahantus" during an event honoring Native Americans
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