Board 8 > Day Before Odyssey: Best 3D Mario?

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Whatcha think?
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Super Mario RPG:Legend of the Seven Stars

SSJBGenkiDama posted...

Super Mario RPG:Legend of the Seven Stars

This is a good one, but I didn't include any of the RPGs in the poll since Odyssey is a platformer. Just doing platformers here.
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metaIslug posted...

64 of course. No bullshit Mario game. No fludd, no motion controls, no gimmicks. Pure Mario

No Mushrooms, no Fireflower, no Starman, no Tanooki
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wg64Z posted...

metaIslug posted...

64 of course. No bullshit Mario game. No fludd, no motion controls, no gimmicks. Pure Mario

No Mushrooms, no Fireflower, no Starman, no Tanooki

The best.
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Galaxy 2 > Galaxy 1 > 64 > FLUDD-less sections of Sunshine > 3D Land > Rest of Sunshine
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StifledSilence posted...

SSJBGenkiDama posted...

Super Mario RPG:Legend of the Seven Stars

This is a good one, but I didn't include any of the RPGs in the poll since Odyssey is a platformer. Just doing platformers here.

I understand why you didn't put it in the poll. But that is the answer to best 3D Mario.

Out of those. Flip some coins between Galaxy 1, 2 and 64

Easily first Galaxy for now
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Galaxy 2 easily
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64, galaxy, and galaxy 2 are all so good and fun that ordering them doesn't really matter to me

galaxy 2 is probably the most polished experience from start to finish
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banananor posted...

64, galaxy, and galaxy 2 are all so good and fun that ordering them doesn't really matter to me

galaxy 2 is probably the most polished experience from start to finish

this is my thoughts but replace galaxy 1 with sm3dw
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Impossible for me to rank
SMG 1 and 2 are both amazing and probably deserve to be considered the best equally
But Mario 64 is such a masterpiece that only gets dragged down in my mind because it gets old
And yet I replayed it more than 5 times getting 120 stars each time and every time I enjoy it more and more

Then you have quite a gap for Super Mario 3D Land and then Sunshine, which I didn't really enjoy (might be emulator fault, need to give this another try but I don't have good memories from this one)

Need to play 3D World
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KommunistKoala posted...

Galaxy 2 easily

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Super Mario 64... DS
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Surprised I'm not the only vote for Sunshine!
I'm optimistic that Odyssey will take first place for me, though.
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Galaxy 1 >>> uh maybe Galaxy 2 > 64 > lol Sunshine and 3D Land. Haven't played 3D World

Galaxy

I doubt Odyssey will top it, honestly. Won't know until I get a Switch though:/
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Galaxy > Galaxy 2 > 64 > 3D World > Sunshine > 3D Land

All good though
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Mario 64? Really? It has too many crappy puzzles and shit. Don't nobody wanna build a snowman or guess the order of treasure chests.

The correct answer is SMG 1 or 2
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A Hat in Time.
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Galaxy > Galaxy 2 > 64 > Sunshine > 3D World > 3D Land.

Sunshine is over 3D Land/World purely because of nostalgia and better vibes.
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dowolf posted...

A Hat in Time.

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Wow. Really glad to see Galaxy 2 so liked here!
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Sunshine is the only good one. Super Mario 64 was great for its time but is not spectacularly fun to play nowadays.

Disclaimer: Have not played 3D Land/World
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Hey, first vote for 3D Land!

It's the only one I've played
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SMG2 oh ya

mnkboy907 posted...

Hey, first vote for 3D Land!

It's the only one I've played

Holy what?
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I was thinking about this recently, actually, and what's amazing about SM64 is that, despite being one of the very first 3D platformers ever (I think there might have been something that qualifies before SM64 but I don't remember what), it nailed so many elements of its design perfectly - namely, the movement, and how fun it is to run and jump in its environments. What's really disappointing to me, and really kind of a shame for the 3D platforming genre, is that I don't think any 3D platformer ever improved on this. SM64 still remains the most fun game to just move around in. That includes later Mario games too - Sunshine and Galaxy, while they're still fun, don't feel quite as kinetic, as acrobatic, as free as SM64 - you don't accelerate into your jumps quite as pleasingly, you always feel like you have too much air resistance and drag whenever you try to maneuver in the air, and there's never enough walls to do wall kicks off of. SM64 is really not a perfect game by any means - the level design shows a lot of flaws, plenty of the stars are not really that fun to collect at all and rely on some stupid gimmicks, the worlds in general don't quite live up to being as fun or inventive later in the game as they are early on (the first floor of the castle is magical but it kind of nosedives after that). But it really nailed the movement. I hope Odyssey can kind of get back to what SM64 did so well at least a little, but I think, for some reason, it might never be repeated.

Pokalicious posted...

SMG2 oh ya

mnkboy907 posted...

Hey, first vote for 3D Land!

It's the only one I've played

Holy what?

Well, I never had an N64 or GameCube or Wii U, and I only very briefly had a Wii. I do take full responsibility for not playing SM64DS I guess. But in general, platformers have never been my thing.
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3D World, though Galaxy 1 is certainly worthy as well (always surprised anyone would put SMG2 above SMG1 unless they really love Yoshi or something). 3D World has some sublime stage design though, and I dig the multiple playable characters.

swordz9 posted...

Galaxy 1 >>> uh maybe Galaxy 2 > 64 > lol Sunshine and 3D Land. Haven't played 3D World

You should play 3D World; that's pretty much my order too!
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NeoElfboy posted...

(always surprised anyone would put SMG2 above SMG1 unless they really love Yoshi or something)

I don't love Yoshi. Galaxy 2 just has better level design and more stuff in it.

plus more playable Luigi
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3D World blows both away at level design!

Can you give examples of why you think Galaxy 2 has better level design? Because I don't remember coming away with that impression, and there are a few glaring counterexamples like SMG1's final level being a beautiful cumulation of the game's gravity mechanics and SMG2's final level being forgettable.

SMG2 is a game I only played once, though, so it's possible I'm underrating it some in this aspect.
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Galaxy 1 definitely beat Galaxy 2 in terms of the Bowser levels. I'll give it credit for that. The Perfect Run in Grandmaster Galaxy is one of my favorite things in a Mario game though. So much fun. Galaxy 1's level design revolves around the space gimmick--launch stars, pull stars, gravity switching, and all that stuff. It's probably why it has a more "magical" feel to a lot of people. That's what it's aiming for, and it nails it. Galaxy 2 puts more emphasis on just being a platformer while implementing those things into it. That's part of why Galaxy 1's Bowser levels are better. The atmosphere is out of this world (pun intended) because that's what it's aiming for. Galaxy 2 largely forgoes all that stuff just to give you levels. It's just trying to be a pure platformer, nothing more. It's simplistic but effective. All the space stuff is integral to the experience in Galaxy 1. Galaxy 2 just retains it and works with it, but the game doesn't revolve around it. I can see why people feel like Galaxy 2 is just "more of the same" if you're just looking at it on the surface, but there are definitely different design philosophies. For what it's worth, I'd have been fine with Galaxy 2 simply being more of the same. I don't think it's a bad thing. It's like getting to the end of Galaxy 1, thinking, "Man, I wish I could have more of that," and then voila, there it is!

It's been a while since I've played both so I dunno if I can really give specific examples too much at this point. For what it's worth, I don't think Galaxy 2 is far and away the better game. Both games are two of my favorites out there. They both excel at what they're trying to do, but they're not quite trying to do the same thing.
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One of the Galaxy games. They both meld together so I don't remember which was better. They're both amazing though.
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Galaxy 2 > Galaxy > 64 > 3D World > 3D Land

Never played Sunshine. :\

Picking up Odyssey at midnight.
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Galaxy 2 > Galaxy > 3D World > 64 > 3D Land > Sunshine

wg64Z posted...

metaIslug posted...

64 of course. No bullshit Mario game. No fludd, no motion controls, no gimmicks. Pure Mario

No Mushrooms, no Fireflower, no Starman, no Tanooki

Fox only, Final Destination
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Paratroopa1 posted...

despite being one of the very first 3D platformers ever (I think there might have been something that qualifies before SM64 but I don't remember what),

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_Flash!
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LeonhartFour posted...

Galaxy 2 > Galaxy 1 > 64 > FLUDD-less sections of Sunshine > 3D Land > Rest of Sunshine

this
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Paratroopa1 posted...

despite being one of the very first 3D platformers ever (I think there might have been something that qualifies before SM64 but I don't remember what),

crash bandicoot came out before it.

but if that one doesn't count (because it's more 2.5D) i'm pretty sure SM64 is the first one.

edit: oh, i didn't see jakyl's post. yeah, i guess jumping flash! was earlier. jumping flash! 2 was earlier too, actually.
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Have around 70 moons in Odyssey and while also really good I'm afraid for now I would rank it below both Galaxy...
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How do people think the Galaxies are so much better than Sunshine? Last time I tried playing all those games I 100%'d Sunshine in two months whereas I lost interest in both Galaxies quickly (this may be because I played them to death when I was younger admittedly).

When I replayed 64 and Sunshine three years ago, to me it felt like 64 got linear platforming right but design flaws started to show up in regards to the more open objectives. Sunshine fixed up most everything wrong with 64 but ultimately the locales weren't as memorable, and the game showed obvious signs of being rushed.

Also I never had much in the way of camera issues in 64 outside of tight spaces, of which there aren't many (maybe it helped that I was playing Sonic Adventure and Pac-Man World 2, both of which have much worse camera issues, at around the same time). Sunshine did fix that up thankfully.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...

How do people think the Galaxies are so much better than Sunshine? Last time I tried playing all those games I 100%'d Sunshine in two months whereas I lost interest in both Galaxies quickly (this may be because I played them to death when I was younger admittedly).

When I replayed 64 and Sunshine three years ago, to me it felt like 64 got linear platforming right but design flaws started to show up in regards to the more open objectives. Sunshine fixed up most everything wrong with 64 but ultimately the locales weren't as memorable, and the game showed obvious signs of being rushed.

Also I never had much in the way of camera issues in 64 outside of tight spaces, of which there aren't many (maybe it helped that I was playing Sonic Adventure and Pac-Man World 2, both of which have much worse camera issues, at around the same time). Sunshine did fix that up thankfully.

Because Sunshine isn't a great Platformer, and the Galaxy games are the 2 best designed platformers ever Everything makes sense, they work in gravity and flight in incredible ways. The power ups and the way they are used is astoundingly well done.

People think the Galaxies are so much better than Sunshine because they are.
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LeonhartFour posted...

People think the Galaxies are so much better than Sunshine because they are.

This is probably best way to put it.

NeoElfboy posted...

3D World blows both away at level design!

if you're wondering why Galaxy 2 has all the voes and not 3D World, i think being on the Wii U makes a big difference. it's the only one i haven't played personally (other than Odyssey), and i imagine a lot of others here are in the same boat in that regard.
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3D World looks like a lot of fun from what I've seen, but yeah, I never owned a Wii U, so I never got to play it. It'd take a heck of a lot to dethrone both Galaxy games though.
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3D World is super fun, yeah

Maybe the Switch gets more Wii U games put on it!
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LeonhartFour posted...

People think the Galaxies are so much better than Sunshine because they are.

Then how come last time I played both games I got bored with the Galaxies so quickly while I had loads of fun with Sunshine?
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Because you have bad taste in video games
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