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ChromaticAngel
09/12/17 2:55:06 PM
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Took him 17 years but he's finally going to do it.
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DocileOrangeCup
09/12/17 2:55:31 PM
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ChromaticAngel
09/12/17 2:56:19 PM
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DocileOrangeCup posted...
a-boutta-die?

All but dissertation.

Basically means you're 99% done with a Ph.D.
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Dustin1280
09/12/17 2:56:57 PM
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His doctorate?
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ChromaticAngel
09/12/17 2:58:13 PM
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Dustin1280 posted...
His doctorate?

Yep.
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Dustin1280
09/12/17 2:58:47 PM
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Hey 17 years is better than not getting one at all, especially when he has put 17 years into it.

Good for him for finally completing it.

I do worry about the massive debt he might be in for it taking that long though...
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C7D
09/12/17 3:00:57 PM
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That's a long time at university. Congrats for your friend! I could never have stayed in that long. 8 semesters for undergrad (fall and spring for 4 years and (10 semesters 3.5 years) more semesters to get my PhD.
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_BlueMonk
09/12/17 3:02:42 PM
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nice.

i have a masters and i think about going back to get a phd, but then i remember all my friends who have phds and i currently make more money than and im like uhhhhhhh.
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ChromaticAngel
09/12/17 3:03:23 PM
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Dustin1280 posted...
Hey 17 years is better than not getting one at all, especially when he has put 17 years into it.

Good for him for finally completing it.

I do worry about the massive debt he might be in for it taking that long though...


most of it was paid for. It's one of the reasons it took 17 years is because it was basically real research he was doing. If he had to pay for the whole thing out of pocket he would not have lasted that long. His family has got money but not that much money.

To put this into perspective for anyone wondering if 17 years is normal, I have a friend who became an actual doctor (psychiatrist) in less time and he changed his mind halfway through after pursuing a career in surgery for a while.
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C7D
09/12/17 3:09:47 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Dustin1280 posted...
Hey 17 years is better than not getting one at all, especially when he has put 17 years into it.

Good for him for finally completing it.

I do worry about the massive debt he might be in for it taking that long though...


most of it was paid for. It's one of the reasons it took 17 years is because it was basically real research he was doing. If he had to pay for the whole thing out of pocket he would not have lasted that long. His family has got money but not that much money.

To put this into perspective for anyone wondering if 17 years is normal, I have a friend who became an actual doctor (psychiatrist) in less time and he changed his mind halfway through after pursuing a career in surgery for a while.


I did some research for a company in addition to my regular dissertation work to pay for some of my materials. They used my research for their national marketing campaign. It was pretty cool knowing that my work went into the ads for a multi billion dollar chemical company. Good on him for having funding.
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COVxy
09/12/17 3:11:02 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
It's one of the reasons it took 17 years is because it was basically real research he was doing.


I mean, that's all science PhDs though.
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C7D
09/12/17 3:11:40 PM
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COVxy posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
It's one of the reasons it took 17 years is because it was basically real research he was doing.


I mean, that's all science PhDs though.


This! I would hate to think someone could get a PhD without doing real research.
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ChromaticAngel
09/12/17 3:24:40 PM
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C7D posted...
COVxy posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
It's one of the reasons it took 17 years is because it was basically real research he was doing.


I mean, that's all science PhDs though.


This! I would hate to think someone could get a PhD without doing real research.


I mean it was literally funded by government science grants the same way any other research is funded (not counting private funded studies). Not that other people don't do real work.
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C7D
09/12/17 3:35:16 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
C7D posted...
COVxy posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
It's one of the reasons it took 17 years is because it was basically real research he was doing.


I mean, that's all science PhDs though.


This! I would hate to think someone could get a PhD without doing real research.


I mean it was literally funded by government science grants the same way any other research is funded (not counting private funded studies). Not that other people don't do real work.


What you are saying makes it sound like he was the PI on his research. That's not normal for a PhD student. Professors should either hold a grant to do your research already or work with the student for future studies. For example, my research was funded by government sources and private funding from an outside company. We did apply together for funding for future studies and future students but that was not a primary aim of my graduation. I think this is fairly typical. We wrote a few NSF grant proposals and one from NIH, but I have since moved on since I didn't want to be a professor.
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ChromaticAngel
09/12/17 3:39:27 PM
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C7D posted...
What you are saying makes it sound like he was the PI on his research. That's not normal for a PhD student. Professors should either hold a grant to do your research already or work with the student for future studies. For example, my research was funded by government sources and private funding from an outside company. We did apply together for funding for future studies and future students but that was not a primary aim of my graduation. I think this is fairly typical. We wrote a few NSF grant proposals and one from NIH, but I have since moved on since I didn't want to be a professor.


I'm not entirely sure what his position was. I know he was in some minor authority position. He had keys to access the building after hours and such and had to do things like lock up rooms with animals so that the cleaning staff couldn't get in and fuck up the ongoing experiments, and that he was basically paid to get his degree--although not much. He still worked side jobs for general living expenses.
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Renraku_San
09/12/17 3:40:57 PM
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Do we really need a stupid acronym for that?
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Giant_Aspirin
09/12/17 3:43:04 PM
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isn't the dissertation painfully long and can sometimes take years to write and finish?
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C7D
09/12/17 3:43:07 PM
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Renraku_San posted...
Do we really need a stupid acronym for that?


It's not stupid at all when it's the one that describes you. I remember being excited to post that as my Facebook status.
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ChromaticAngel
09/12/17 3:43:45 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
isn't the dissertation painfully long and can sometimes take years to write and finish?


It's due by November so...
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Sayoria
09/12/17 3:43:53 PM
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C7D
09/12/17 3:44:13 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
isn't the dissertation painfully long and can sometimes take years to write and finish?


I wrote my papers as I went along, so it wasn't so bad. Mine was around 300 pages, and I completed it in about 3 months after I finished my research.
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C7D
09/12/17 3:45:48 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
isn't the dissertation painfully long and can sometimes take years to write and finish?


It's due by November so...


Likely a soft deadline... he can always pay to sign up for one credit hour if he can't complete it on time.
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COVxy
09/12/17 3:46:24 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
I'm not entirely sure what his position was. I know he was in some minor authority position. He had keys to access the building after hours and such and had to do things like lock up rooms with animals so that the cleaning staff couldn't get in and fuck up the ongoing experiments, and that he was basically paid to get his degree--although not much. He still worked side jobs for general living expenses.


All this is pretty normal for PhD students.

Renraku_San posted...
Do we really need a stupid acronym for that?


Keep in mind that what precedes it is usually an extremely stressful comprehensive exam which you demonstrate to a panel of experts that you have enough knowledge about a field to continue onwards.
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Doe
09/12/17 3:53:32 PM
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Jesus, a PhD sounds awful

Is a JD as hard
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AsucaHayashi
09/12/17 3:55:39 PM
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i really thought it was "A Big Dick"....
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C7D
09/12/17 4:06:42 PM
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COVxy posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
I'm not entirely sure what his position was. I know he was in some minor authority position. He had keys to access the building after hours and such and had to do things like lock up rooms with animals so that the cleaning staff couldn't get in and fuck up the ongoing experiments, and that he was basically paid to get his degree--although not much. He still worked side jobs for general living expenses.


All this is pretty normal for PhD students.

Renraku_San posted...
Do we really need a stupid acronym for that?


Keep in mind that what precedes it is usually an extremely stressful comprehensive exam which you demonstrate to a panel of experts that you have enough knowledge about a field to continue onwards.


This is customizable. I got 4 exams : electrokinetics, neutron scattering, clinical diagnostics, and polymer physics. They tried to tailor mine directly to my research topics.
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ChromaticAngel
09/12/17 4:09:52 PM
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COVxy posted...

All this is pretty normal for PhD students.


It seems such. I was just addressing a concern raised earlier about 17 years of debt.
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COVxy
09/12/17 4:34:45 PM
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C7D posted...
This is customizable. I got 4 exams : electrokinetics, neutron scattering, clinical diagnostics, and polymer physics. They tried to tailor mine directly to my research topics.


It depends on the department, but all have some form of exam that has very similar stress.

My department has you write a review or meta-analysis and then you present it in front of your committee.
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C7D
09/12/17 4:39:51 PM
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COVxy posted...
C7D posted...
This is customizable. I got 4 exams : electrokinetics, neutron scattering, clinical diagnostics, and polymer physics. They tried to tailor mine directly to my research topics.


It depends on the department, but all have some form of exam that has very similar stress.

My department has you write a review or meta-analysis and then you present it in front of your committee.


I'm so glad we didn't do that. I was given problem statements and asked to provide the solution. These were brutal problems that required you to truly grasp the subject matter. I felt like I was turning in books, lol.
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