Board 8 > inb4 Vlado makes a topic defending pewdiepie

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Again, this isn't the first time he's gone through the controversy of belting out the n-word on stream. Or countless other shit like the 'death to all jews' controversy.

He's one of those people that double down and claim people are too easily offended rather than reflecting that maybe he did something wrong. And then his followers are the exact same, so they reinforce each other to keep doing the same shit over and over. This won't be the last time we hear this garbage from PDP, as far as he's concerned there's nothing wrong with using the n-word, the problem is others for being offended by it.

Waluigi1 posted...

"big problem" lol. It's not going to affect him or his income or view count in the slightest.

after PewDiePie aired an anti-semetic "gag" earlier in the year, YouTube cancelled his YouTube Red show, Disney terminated their relationship with him, and so many advertisers began pulling out of YouTube that some channels lost upwards of 80% of their revenue overnight. so.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

because i'd consider it absolutely normal, since that's what the black kids in my area call each other all the time

I dunno. I spent almost my entire life in the south, and I don't know that I ever had a problem recognizing that's a word I shouldn't say, other than first learning the word, I guess.
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Dark Young Link posted...

As for pewdiepie, what he said was absolutely <redacted>, but I question why people care so much. Is this such a shock someone on his level would say something like that? Accidentally or otherwise. Has he done something to make you believe that he has high standards, and that this moment was such a shock to said standards?


Then again, I don't look at this videos. So maybe that's why I don't care. It's easy to not care when you mentally list someone as "irrelevant".

Irrelevant to you personally, but he's the face of YouTube streamers and spreads this trash to millions of children. PDP isn't some nobody.

SeabassDebeste posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

All of that because the n word is just like "asshole" in his mind? This is the conclusion that you guys think is reasonable?

yes, honestly, i think that is probably his thought process

If his thought process is that the n word and "asshole" are the same, then why did he feel the need to "correct" TO asshole and downplay it? If he legitimately thinks they're the same, then he shouldn't have even reacted to saying it.

If you think it's okay to take a cookie from the cookie jar, you just take it. You don't try to sneak in, take it, then go "Oh, uh, I thought it was a carrot" if you get caught.

That's basically admitting wrong-doing.
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StealThisSheen posted...

He immediately knew he shouldn't have said it, switched to an actual generic insult ("Asshole"), and tried to downplay it.

He 100% knows not to say it and your theory is flawed.

I think you missed the point of my story.

I am okay with the word gay
I am not okay with the word ******

I've let the former slip once in a great while in contexts where it's poor form when being around people who use it that way, because the word is something I have no issue using. Gay is gay. There's nothing wrong with that. The latter has never come out of my mouth, not ever.

I'd assume pewdiepie simply doesn't have any legitimate feeling of revulsion towards the n-word-- he has to "fake it" because he didn't grow up in a culture where it mattered or where the significance of it mattering was hammered into his head, and has these 14 year olds around him saying it all the time. This doesn't make him a racist, it just makes him someone who didn't grow up in a culture where the word mattered in any meaningful way, corrupted by 14 year olds before he had any intimate feeling that the word was something that shouldn't be said.

It basically comes down to association. He hears the word, he thinks "stupid 14 year old" not "stupid racist 14 year old." That doesn't mean he's racist, that just means he was exposed to it on a large scale through stupid 14 year olds before he really absorbed the impact of the word.

Keep in mind I'm not really trying to defend pewdiepie as anything but "not necessarily a racist." I think the guy is awful but yeah.
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That's true I suppose. It's not as if he's some unknown random that gets 100 view max.

Spreading such nonsense to millions of children is obviously a bad thing. I just tell myself "Well their parents are clearly going to be responsible enough to set them straight, and they know why they shouldn't use that word in any situation."


And then I remember I'm placing entirely too much faith in people.
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LeonhartFour posted...

I dunno. I spent almost my entire life in the south, and I don't know that I ever had a problem recognizing that's a word I shouldn't say, other than first learning the word, I guess.

did your friends call each other/you that? when i say setting i mean more than geographical, i'm talking about the norm among your peers

i literally never even heard the word until seeing roots in middle school history. the next day in history class our teacher asked us to list examples of what the slavers called their slaves, and i repeated the word, and she was like 'we don't say that word.' i was really puzzled at the time as it was a direct answer to her question, but that might be the only time i've actually been told that the word was bad

StealThisSheen posted...

If his thought process is that the n word and "asshole" are the same, then why did he feel the need to "correct" TO asshole and downplay it? If he legitimately thinks they're the same, then he shouldn't have even reacted to saying it.

If you think it's okay to take a cookie from the cookie jar, you just take it. You don't try to sneak in, take it, then go "Oh, uh, I thought it was a carrot" if you get caught.

That's basically admitting wrong-doing.

what i mean is, to him, they're the same. but he can recognize from the reaction of others that it's not. but in what i assume is a very solitary activity where he's used to having no filter, he sometimes defaults to the worse one without thinking

and yes, he admitted wrongdoing

i'm guessing that for him, it's more comparable to me getting a paper cut during a school presentation and accidentally saying 'motherfucker' instead of 'ouch' or 'dammit'
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Lopen posted...

I'd assume pewdiepie simply doesn't have any legitimate feeling of revulsion towards the n-word-- he has to "fake it" because he didn't grow up in a culture where it mattered or where the significance of it mattering was hammered into his head, and has these 14 year olds around him saying it all the time. This doesn't make him a racist, it just makes him someone who didn't grow up in a culture where the word mattered in any meaningful way, corrupted by 14 year olds before he had any intimate feeling that the word was something that shouldn't be said.

It basically comes down to association. He hears the word, he thinks "stupid 14 year old" not "stupid racist 14 year old." That doesn't mean he's racist, that just means he was exposed to it on a large scale through stupid 14 year olds before he really absorbed the impact of the word.

No, this doesn't really fly. If he knows he has to "fake it" since he doesn't feel revulsion to it personally, then he knows WHY he has to fake it. And if he knows WHY he has to fake it, then his mind is already differentiating between n word and "asshole." Thus, they're not the same to him anymore, since he's making a differentiation of "I can say this but not this on stream." Him slipping up when faking it means he doesn't fake it when he's not on stream, which means... Despite knowing why he shouldn't say the word, he doesn't care and says it anyway.
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Also yeah, saying the N word doesn't automatically mean you're racist.

You could just be stupid.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

i'm guessing that for him, it's more comparable to me getting a paper cut during a school presentation and accidentally saying 'motherfucker' instead of 'ouch' or 'dammit'

Between this and the "Well, if you're around black people who say it all the time, it's normal to say it," it sounds like you're just advocating no need for self control.
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Dark Young Link posted...

Also yeah, saying the N word doesn't automatically mean you're racist.

You could just be stupid.

Oh, yeah. To be fair, I'm not saying he's 100% racist or anything. He could just be stupid.

But him being stupid doesn't make it a ton better than him being racist since he still knows what the word is/does and doesn't seem to care.
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yes, i am aware that you have been misreading my intent this entire time
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No, I didn't grow up in a situation where that particular word is the norm, but as someone who doesn't use profanity, I've never just accidentally let one slip just because everyone around me at work or school used those words all the time. Those were words I didn't want to say, and I didn't say them.

PDP probably doesn't think of that word as "a word I should never say." It's just "a word I should never say on a video," so it's probably more likely to slip out because he doesn't personally have a negative view of it. Like, if it's a word you have strong feelings about not saying ever, it's not just going to slip out by accident.
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There's a difference between knowing at an instinctive level and at a knowledge level though. I know not to touch the stove because it's hot, and I'm never going to touch the hot stove ever. I also know the quadratic formula. If I'm rambling on a stream at a million miles a minute I might blank on dividing the mess by 2a. It doesn't mean I don't know the quadratic formula.

The point I'm making is it's wrong doing because of his primary exposure to the word and not because he's (necessarily) racist. It is just a word like asshole to him. It makes him a guy who clearly doesn't think through what he says all the time, which that should have been obvious WAY before this.
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Lopen posted...

There's a difference between knowing at an instinctive level and at a knowledge level though. I know not to touch the stove because it's hot, and I'm never going to touch the hot stove ever. I also know the quadratic formula. If I'm rambling on a stream at a million miles a minute I might blank on dividing the mess by 2a. It doesn't mean I don't know the quadratic formula.

The point I'm making is it's wrong doing because of his primary exposure to the word and not because he's (necessarily) racist. It is just a word like asshole to him. It makes him a guy who clearly doesn't think through what he says all the time, which that should have been obvious WAY before this.

We don't necessarily disagree. I'm merely saying that it shouldn't be used as an excuse like some people are trying to do. If it's just a word like asshole to him even though he knows what's attached to it, then he's still a dickhead and it shouldn't be handwaved.
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I'm not arguing he's not a dickhead or he should be given a pass. Just that there are reasons he'd say it that aren't "he uses it all the time" or "he hates black people"
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Like, my whole point is it doesn't matter WHY he said it. He said it, he knows it's wrong, and yet he clearly has no problem with saying it. That's pretty much the end of the story.

Trying to bring up "Well, he doesn't understand it because X" in the first place is making excuses/trying to downplay it.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

because i'd consider it absolutely normal, since that's what the black kids in my area call each other all the time

What if they told you not to say it cuz it's racist?
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Lopen posted...

Just that there are reasons he'd say it that aren't "he uses it all the time"

To be fair, when his excuse is "I sometimes forget I'm streaming," then that does suggest he uses it all the time. >_>
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He has a problem with saying it though otherwise he wouldn't have corrected himself. It's just not on as deep a level as it should be. But I'm not convinced you'd be better in that regard if you'd lived his life.

Like you'd probably be better at not letting it slip because you're not an idiot but I don't think a lot of foreign people who weren't taught this stuff in school or society can really grasp the word if they were learned the word among idiot 14 year olds.
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Dark Young Link posted...

I know that this is basically the reason they do it.... I just personally never got why the word should be used at all. People say they're "taking the word back" but.... why take it back at all? It was a word born out of fear and hatred, what value would it have to anyone relevant? If it was up to me, "er" and "ga" would be on the same level. A shameful word used exclusively by people who will forever be on the wrong side of history.

The sad honest answer is that people WILL use it against them in their lives to attempt to be derogatory out of fear and hatred. So the black culture in the US does use the word to "take it back" meaning take the sting away.

If we were in an ideal world where no one would use the word anymore out of hate then yeah, your ideas are valid. But we definitely aren't there yet.
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This is PDP touching a stove after having already been burnt by it in the past because he doesnt take burns seriously. He doesn't give a fuck that he offended anyone, which is a problem of his own character.

Lopen posted...

He has a problem with saying it though otherwise he wouldn't have corrected himself. It's just not on as deep a level as it should be. But I'm not convinced you'd be better in that regard if you'd lived his life.

He doesn't have a problem with saying it, no. He has a problem with getting in trouble for saying it.

"I forget I'm streaming" implies "I forget I'm streaming and so I say stuff I say when I'm not streaming"

EDIT: Also, yes. "But I'm not convinced you'd be better in that regard if you'd lived his life." is making excuses for him. Why?
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Lopen posted...

I think you missed the point of my story.

You missed the point of the rebuttal. PDP 100% associates the n word in the same tier as the f word. That's why he feverishly corrected it to asshole, which is in an much higher tier of offensiveness than gay. So to say he has the n word in the same tier as gay makes 100% no sense.

Lopen posted...

It is just a word like asshole to him

So if you believe this you either didn't watch the clip, or are fully aware you are wrong and just want to have some devil's advocate fun or something.
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I make excuses for things that imply he's racist, as I simply don't think given the evidence we have that's necessarily true.

I don't make excuses for things that imply he's an idiot because he clearly is.
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Lopen posted...

"he hates black people"

He doesn't, he just has absolutely no respect or empathy for them. Like a dog walker doesn't hate dogs, but they still hold the leash and stuff them into cages.

Your argument is equivalent to the common racist belief that nothing short of lynching black people is racist.

(btw I do realize lopen has me ignored so these posts are just rhetorical for anyone to respond to)
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What pdp did is dumb, but let's not pretend that language isn't on every rap album. If you want the word banned, don't use it at all regardless of ethnicity.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Vlado posted...

Do I look like the person who would bother defending any random insult thrown on the internet? The history of the universe up until this point is probably smaller than the amount of time I'd need.

"He shouldn't have had to correct himself. That is a form of censorship. Not even genocide is worse than censorship... unless censorship protects kids from knowing what gay is, then it's the best thing ever."

Wait...which...which one is the real Vlado?

How do we know which one to shoot?
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Lopen posted...

I make excuses for things that imply he's racist, as I simply don't think given the evidence we have that's necessarily true.

I don't make excuses for things that imply he's an idiot because he clearly is.

Then why can't you just say "He's a dickhead?"

Why does it have to be "He's a dickhead, buuuuuut"
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UltiXX posted...

What pdp did is dumb, but let's not pretend that language isn't on every rap album. If you want the word banned, don't use it at all regardless of ethnicity.

In fact, black people should stop using it before white people, if they really care about ending racism. They need to get down on their knees and pave the road forward. Pull the cart along the road too, lest they get the whip.
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I almost responded to that comment.

Then I looked at the username.
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foolm0r0n posted...

What if they told you not to say it cuz it's racist?

then i wouldn't!
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SeabassDebeste posted...

then i wouldn't!

Ok so you're in a different class of people than PDP and HotDog and a bunch of other non-blacks who apparently find it impossible not to say the word (I know a bunch IRL too)
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StealThisSheen posted...

Then why can't you just say "He's a dickhead?"

Why does it have to be "He's a dickhead, buuuuuut"

Because people like jakyl in here are trying to attribute some particular meaning to him being a dickhead in this particular way that I think is incorrect. If we all just left it as "that wasn't acceptable and he's an asshole" then you'd have no arguments from me.
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Dark Young Link posted...

I almost responded to that comment.

Then I looked at the username.

I'm being serious. If black people hate the N word so much, why do they use it?

i'm pretty sure that hotdogbutts grew up in an environment where the black kids didn't care if you were black or not when you said the word. if his black friends had actually told him 'you can't say that' then it would be very different

and tbh, i have seen plenty of non-black kids calling each other that word too

i've grown up in an environment where it wasn't normal to call each other the word, and literally my first exposure to it was highly stigmatized

if your main exposure to the word as a kid is having your friends refer to each other, and you, using it, then you probably have a different conception of it
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UltiXX posted...

I'm being serious

Aw, I thought you were only joking about being an enormous racist idiot
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I mean really all he has to do is play video games on camera and not drop racist slurs out of his big dumb racist face.

That was apparently too high a bar for him.
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Good question. Let's ask one.


"DYL, why do you use the N word if you hate it so much.?"

"I don't use it."


"Oh..."
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SeabassDebeste posted...

i'm pretty sure that hotdogbutts grew up in an environment where the black kids didn't care if you were black or not when you said the word. if his black friends had actually told him 'you can't say that' then it would be very different

I mean, is that the case?

I'm not gonna assume his life's story just like I'm not gonna assume pewdiepie's life's story just to appease my worldview, especially when both have admitted to being fully aware of how not-to-be-said it is.
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IIRC EC grew up in the bronx and is hispanic
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UltiXX posted...

Dark Young Link posted...

I almost responded to that comment.

Then I looked at the username.

I'm being serious. If black people hate the N word so much, why do they use it?

To bother you
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some of y'all got weak-ass ignore-list game
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Dark Young Link posted...

Good question. Let's ask one.


"DYL, why do you use the N word if you hate it so much.?"

"I don't use it."


"Oh..."

I'm specifically talking about rap/hip hop. This is a case of people not caring about what is said, only who says it.

SeabassDebeste posted...

some of y'all got weak-ass ignore-list game

"I have no intellectual argument so I'll use the tralala can't hear you defense."

UltiXX posted...

I'm specifically talking about rap/hip hop. This is a case of people not caring about what is said, only who says it.

So you are specifically doing the thing you are complaining about other people doing?
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UltiXX posted...

I'm specifically talking about rap/hip hop.

What? Name ONE rap/hip hop track that uses the n word
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foolm0r0n posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

I would assume it's harder to avoid using a word the more prevalent it is in your environment? I cuss more if I spend time around people who cuss, at least.

You cuss more against your own will?

Probably a bit? Anything you want to avoid doing is at least a tiny bit harder to avoid the more time you spend around people who do it, I think.

I'm not really interested in defending use of the n-word but I can at least sorta see where sd was coming from at the point I jumped in. It was easier not to cuss (or even think profanity in my head) when I was around fewer people who cussed, and I assume it'd be the same for slurs.
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foolm0r0n posted...

What? Name ONE rap/hip hop track that uses the n word

Holiday in Cambodia by The Dead Kennedys
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