Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 131: Deferred Action by Childish Administration

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StealThisSheen 09/09/17 2:58:59 AM #454:	I mean, I see some of the points, but people get really dumb when it comes to cops at times. Like, I don't think it was somebody here, but I saw somebody literally say "It's their job to protect me, so if I get hurt when they should be doing their job, I have every right to sue their asses" and "Cops shouldn't be allowed to fire their gun until the criminal fires first" in the same post. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:886286373] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>I mean, I see some of the points, but people get really dumb when it comes to cops at times. Like, I don't think it was somebody here, but I saw somebody literally say "It's their job to protect me, so if I get hurt when they should be doing their job, I have every right to sue their asses" and "Cops shouldn't be allowed to fire their gun until the criminal fires first" in the same post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 09/09/17 6:18:34 AM #455:	If a police officer kills someone something went terribly wrong. Protect and Serve isn't just a slogan Thats the job description. Killing someone does neither. It happens sometimes but i think it is helpful to state that thats not what cops are setting out to do You know what the biggest issue is? These are kinda shitty jobs and it's hard to get really competent people to do them. Especially in places like Milwaukee that suck anyway. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:886290223] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>If a police officer kills someone something went terribly wrong. Protect and Serve isn't just a slogan Thats the job description. Killing someone does neither. It happens sometimes but i think it is helpful to state that thats not what cops are setting out to do You know what the biggest issue is? These are kinda shitty jobs and it's hard to get really competent people to do them. Especially in places like Milwaukee that suck anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JetJaguar 09/09/17 8:15:30 AM #456:	Killing somebody can absolutely be a means of protecting and serving other innocent bystanders. Deadly physical force is a last resort, but in some scenarios its the only option. We don't shoot to kill however. That's why the protocol of every major police department is to handcuff the guy after the threat is subdued (because as ridiculous as it seems in some instances the person is still under arrest for whatever actions necessitated the shooting until a medical professional can pronounce him; plus since we're subduing and not executing people like the media would have you believe, their still a potential threat until cuffed) and to provide immediate medical attention. --- TimJab - Your 2017 User of the Year! <cite>JetJaguar posted [p:886292288] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>Killing somebody can absolutely be a means of protecting and serving other innocent bystanders. Deadly physical force is a last resort, but in some scenarios its the only option. We don't shoot to kill however. That's why the protocol of every major police department is to handcuff the guy after the threat is subdued (because as ridiculous as it seems in some instances the person is still under arrest for whatever actions necessitated the shooting until a medical professional can pronounce him; plus since we're subduing and not executing people like the media would have you believe, their still a potential threat until cuffed) and to provide immediate medical attention.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 09/09/17 8:19:29 AM #457:	I think part of the issue, for me at least, is that it's in the job description- maybe in the unwritten rules,i don't know- to always be in control of the situation So when anyone threatens their authority, by knowing more or not being super demure (see the nurse video- I mean mostly the manager on the phone) they are put in a bad position where it's very easy to go overboard --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:886292378] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>I think part of the issue, for me at least, is that it's in the job description- maybe in the unwritten rules,i don't know- to always be in control of the situation So when anyone threatens their authority, by knowing more or not being super demure (see the nurse video- I mean mostly the manager on the phone) they are put in a bad position where it's very easy to go overboard</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 9:16:59 AM #458:	banananor posted... I think part of the issue, for me at least, is that it's in the job description- maybe in the unwritten rules,i don't know- to always be in control of the situation So when anyone threatens their authority, by knowing more or not being super demure (see the nurse video- I mean mostly the manager on the phone) they are put in a bad position where it's very easy to go overboard It is usually better to follow the orders and dispute it afterwards if protocol was incorrect. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886293581] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>banananor posted...</cite> <quote>I think part of the issue, for me at least, is that it's in the job description- maybe in the unwritten rules,i don't know- to always be in control of the situation So when anyone threatens their authority, by knowing more or not being super demure (see the nurse video- I mean mostly the manager on the phone) they are put in a bad position where it's very easy to go overboard</quote> It is usually better to follow the orders and dispute it afterwards if protocol was incorrect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 09/09/17 10:29:29 AM #459:	JetJaguar posted... We don't shoot to kill however. That's why the protocol of every major police department is to handcuff the guy after the threat is subdued (because as ridiculous as it seems in some instances the person is still under arrest for whatever actions necessitated the shooting until a medical professional can pronounce him; plus since we're subduing and not executing people like the media would have you believe, their still a potential threat until cuffed) and to provide immediate medical attention. You've helped clarify the medical/handcuff point with me before and I appreciate that. I guess I also understood that cops are not supposed to shoot unless it is with the intention of killing because hitting a hand holding a gun or hitting a knee from someone behind cover is much too hard to expect accuracy in the moment for. Is this a misunderstanding? Care to elaborate? --- Brought to you by GameFlux Free GameFAQs app on Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:886295525] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>JetJaguar posted...</cite> <quote>We don't shoot to kill however. That's why the protocol of every major police department is to handcuff the guy after the threat is subdued (because as ridiculous as it seems in some instances the person is still under arrest for whatever actions necessitated the shooting until a medical professional can pronounce him; plus since we're subduing and not executing people like the media would have you believe, their still a potential threat until cuffed) and to provide immediate medical attention.</quote> You've helped clarify the medical/handcuff point with me before and I appreciate that. I guess I also understood that cops are not supposed to shoot unless it is with the intention of killing because hitting a hand holding a gun or hitting a knee from someone behind cover is much too hard to expect accuracy in the moment for. Is this a misunderstanding? Care to elaborate?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 10:31:25 AM #460:	So you think the Utah nurse should have acquiesced to the cop? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886295574] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>So you think the Utah nurse should have acquiesced to the cop?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 09/09/17 10:42:42 AM #461:	JetJaguar posted... Killing somebody can absolutely be a means of protecting and serving other innocent bystanders. Deadly physical force is a last resort, but in some scenarios its the only option. We don't shoot to kill however. That's why the protocol of every major police department is to handcuff the guy after the threat is subdued (because as ridiculous as it seems in some instances the person is still under arrest for whatever actions necessitated the shooting until a medical professional can pronounce him; plus since we're subduing and not executing people like the media would have you believe, their still a potential threat until cuffed) and to provide immediate medical attention. As best I understand the issue, the problem is that police training and protocol varies significantly from municipality to municipality. Some cities do a really good job, some don't. --- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:886295934] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>JetJaguar posted...</cite> <quote>Killing somebody can absolutely be a means of protecting and serving other innocent bystanders. Deadly physical force is a last resort, but in some scenarios its the only option. We don't shoot to kill however. That's why the protocol of every major police department is to handcuff the guy after the threat is subdued (because as ridiculous as it seems in some instances the person is still under arrest for whatever actions necessitated the shooting until a medical professional can pronounce him; plus since we're subduing and not executing people like the media would have you believe, their still a potential threat until cuffed) and to provide immediate medical attention.</quote> As best I understand the issue, the problem is that police training and protocol varies significantly from municipality to municipality. Some cities do a really good job, some don't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 10:47:06 AM #462:	https://twitter.com/sethhanlon/status/905824189696880644 House GOP blocks measure to get Trump's tax returns. So weird --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886296085] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/sethhanlon/status/905824189696880644 House GOP blocks measure to get Trump's tax returns. So weird</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 09/09/17 10:47:15 AM #463:	I think the point is that cops are the ultimate enforcers when it comes to the streets. You aren't going to overturn any sort of charge they may present to you until you're taken away and resisting will likely risk worse charges or safety. Once you're arrested, your next ultimate enforcer is the judge. That's the system we're in, with socia media making a weird sort of intervention in this lately. The nurse was screaming she was doing her job and this is crazy -- screaming is pretty well fine by me. If she ran or attacked, then I don't think that's okay even though she was innocent before the cop tried to arrest her. --- Brought to you by GameFlux Free GameFAQs app on Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:886296090] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>I think the point is that cops are the ultimate enforcers when it comes to the streets. You aren't going to overturn any sort of charge they may present to you until you're taken away and resisting will likely risk worse charges or safety. Once you're arrested, your next ultimate enforcer is the judge. That's the system we're in, with socia media making a weird sort of intervention in this lately. The nurse was screaming she was doing her job and this is crazy -- screaming is pretty well fine by me. If she ran or attacked, then I don't think that's okay even though she was innocent before the cop tried to arrest her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/09/17 10:50:48 AM #464:	trdl23 posted... Guys... look, as much as I didn't think I'd do this, you're missing Ulti's point. He isn't incentivizing being a bad cop or condoning it. He's saying that it's really hard for a good cop to call out a bad one without risking his life even more than usual. That's a big reason for the "silent blue line" when an officer f*s up -- if any of the good guys steps off the line, they might have their backup conveniently stuck in traffic the next day. That's the awful reality of the job even for a true believer. Nah. How is that a response to essentially "Cops should be scrutinized"? "Cops should be held to a higher standard" "You moron liberals! Corrupt Cops pressure Good Cops into not being rats with threats of death." Yeah ok? Explain how that refutes the idea that Cops should be monitored? Fuck that, there's nothing defensible there when you consider the context of what he's saying. Nowhere in his post did he say "The blue wall of silence makes it harder than you think", he basically condoned it and anyone who disagrees with it "puts cops at risk". --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:886296193] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>trdl23 posted...</cite> <quote>Guys... look, as much as I didn't think I'd do this, you're missing Ulti's point. He isn't incentivizing being a bad cop or condoning it. He's saying that it's really hard for a good cop to call out a bad one without risking his life even more than usual. That's a big reason for the "silent blue line" when an officer f*s up -- if any of the good guys steps off the line, they might have their backup conveniently stuck in traffic the next day. That's the awful reality of the job even for a true believer.</quote> Nah. How is that a response to essentially "Cops should be scrutinized"? "Cops should be held to a higher standard" "You moron liberals! Corrupt Cops pressure Good Cops into not being rats with threats of death." Yeah ok? Explain how that refutes the idea that Cops should be monitored? Fuck that, there's nothing defensible there when you consider the context of what he's saying. Nowhere in his post did he say "The blue wall of silence makes it harder than you think", he basically condoned it and anyone who disagrees with it "puts cops at risk".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/09/17 10:51:46 AM #465:	Jakyl25 posted... https://twitter.com/sethhanlon/status/905824189696880644 House GOP blocks measure to get Trump's tax returns. So weird Buncha cucks. --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:886296229] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/sethhanlon/status/905824189696880644 House GOP blocks measure to get Trump's tax returns. So weird</quote> Buncha cucks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 10:52:13 AM #466:	Jakyl25 posted... So you think the Utah nurse should have acquiesced to the cop? Yes. I don't think she accomplished much by refusing to. I think she should have made it aware that she felt she was being ordered to do what she felt was not proper before doing so however. It would have been thrown out anyways. Hell, the person probably wish they had drawn their blood as they could have maybe skated charges all together over a technicality. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886296244] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So you think the Utah nurse should have acquiesced to the cop?</quote> Yes. I don't think she accomplished much by refusing to. I think she should have made it aware that she felt she was being ordered to do what she felt was not proper before doing so however. It would have been thrown out anyways. Hell, the person probably wish they had drawn their blood as they could have maybe skated charges all together over a technicality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/09/17 10:53:30 AM #467:	Corrik posted... Jakyl25 posted... So you think the Utah nurse should have acquiesced to the cop? Yes. I don't think she accomplished much by refusing to. I think she should have made it aware that she felt she was being ordered to do what she felt was not proper before doing so however. It would have been thrown out anyways. Hell, the person probably wish they had drawn their blood as they could have maybe skated charges all together over a technicality. I dunno if this was discussed before, the patient in question whose blood she refused to draw was actually a Cop himself, and his department put out a statement saying the Nurse was 100% in the right. --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:886296284] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So you think the Utah nurse should have acquiesced to the cop?</quote> Yes. I don't think she accomplished much by refusing to. I think she should have made it aware that she felt she was being ordered to do what she felt was not proper before doing so however. It would have been thrown out anyways. Hell, the person probably wish they had drawn their blood as they could have maybe skated charges all together over a technicality.</quote> I dunno if this was discussed before, the patient in question whose blood she refused to draw was actually a Cop himself, and his department put out a statement saying the Nurse was 100% in the right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 10:53:47 AM #468:	Trumps newest facebook post makes it seems like he wants DACA made a law by Congress as is. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886296291] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>Trumps newest facebook post makes it seems like he wants DACA made a law by Congress as is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 10:55:01 AM #469:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Corrik posted... Jakyl25 posted... So you think the Utah nurse should have acquiesced to the cop? Yes. I don't think she accomplished much by refusing to. I think she should have made it aware that she felt she was being ordered to do what she felt was not proper before doing so however. It would have been thrown out anyways. Hell, the person probably wish they had drawn their blood as they could have maybe skated charges all together over a technicality. I dunno if this was discussed before, the patient in question whose blood she refused to draw was actually a Cop himself, and his department put out a statement saying the Nurse was 100% in the right. The nurse was 100% in the right. Doesn't mean she should have not complied with the officer. She still would have 100% been in the right by stating it was not proper and against protocol what she was being forced to do by the cop. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886296327] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So you think the Utah nurse should have acquiesced to the cop?</quote> Yes. I don't think she accomplished much by refusing to. I think she should have made it aware that she felt she was being ordered to do what she felt was not proper before doing so however. It would have been thrown out anyways. Hell, the person probably wish they had drawn their blood as they could have maybe skated charges all together over a technicality.</quote> I dunno if this was discussed before, the patient in question whose blood she refused to draw was actually a Cop himself, and his department put out a statement saying the Nurse was 100% in the right.</quote> The nurse was 100% in the right. Doesn't mean she should have not complied with the officer. She still would have 100% been in the right by stating it was not proper and against protocol what she was being forced to do by the cop.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 09/09/17 10:56:39 AM #470:	Corrik's mindset is terrifying to me. Completely ignore all of your morals out of fear because maybe you'll get a turnaround on it later (you probably won't) even though you know the authority figure is in the wrong. By his description, cops are like the bad guys in a movie that are in power. --- **** Netflix <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:886296379] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>Corrik's mindset is terrifying to me. Completely ignore all of your morals out of fear because maybe you'll get a turnaround on it later (you probably won't) even though you know the authority figure is in the wrong. By his description, cops are like the bad guys in a movie that are in power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 11:01:54 AM #471:	Corrik posted... Jakyl25 posted... So you think the Utah nurse should have acquiesced to the cop? Yes. I don't think she accomplished much by refusing to. I think she should have made it aware that she felt she was being ordered to do what she felt was not proper before doing so however. It would have been thrown out anyways. Hell, the person probably wish they had drawn their blood as they could have maybe skated charges all together over a technicality. Wait, what? She didn't accomplish much? The cop didn't get the blood sample, did he? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886296539] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So you think the Utah nurse should have acquiesced to the cop?</quote> Yes. I don't think she accomplished much by refusing to. I think she should have made it aware that she felt she was being ordered to do what she felt was not proper before doing so however. It would have been thrown out anyways. Hell, the person probably wish they had drawn their blood as they could have maybe skated charges all together over a technicality.</quote> Wait, what? She didn't accomplish much? The cop didn't get the blood sample, did he?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 11:02:31 AM #472:	Like, it is easy for me sitting here calm and collected to say hey this is what she should have done with thought behind it compared to her spur of the moment situation. However... I feel "Sir it is against the law for me to draw blood without a warrant of an unconcious man" " Just fucking do it" "I am telling you I am not allowed to do so." "Just fucking do it" "I am making it known it is against the law and you are making me do this. That I will be filing a complaint and having this reported to your commanding officer and above afterwards." Does it I mean, I am not saying if a cop tells you to kill someone or rape someone you should do it obviously. But, in that situation I definitely felt making your thoughts known and complying would have been what I would have done. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886296561] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>Like, it is easy for me sitting here calm and collected to say hey this is what she should have done with thought behind it compared to her spur of the moment situation. However... I feel "Sir it is against the law for me to draw blood without a warrant of an unconcious man" " Just fucking do it" "I am telling you I am not allowed to do so." "Just fucking do it" "I am making it known it is against the law and you are making me do this. That I will be filing a complaint and having this reported to your commanding officer and above afterwards." Does it I mean, I am not saying if a cop tells you to kill someone or rape someone you should do it obviously. But, in that situation I definitely felt making your thoughts known and complying would have been what I would have done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 11:03:06 AM #473:	Corrik, should Rosa Parks have just gone to the back of the bus? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886296583] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>Corrik, should Rosa Parks have just gone to the back of the bus?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 11:03:08 AM #474:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik posted... Jakyl25 posted... So you think the Utah nurse should have acquiesced to the cop? Yes. I don't think she accomplished much by refusing to. I think she should have made it aware that she felt she was being ordered to do what she felt was not proper before doing so however. It would have been thrown out anyways. Hell, the person probably wish they had drawn their blood as they could have maybe skated charges all together over a technicality. Wait, what? She didn't accomplish much? The cop didn't get the blood sample, did he? Would have been thrown out in court. Who cares if he would have or not? Was inadmissable regardless. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886296586] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So you think the Utah nurse should have acquiesced to the cop?</quote> Yes. I don't think she accomplished much by refusing to. I think she should have made it aware that she felt she was being ordered to do what she felt was not proper before doing so however. It would have been thrown out anyways. Hell, the person probably wish they had drawn their blood as they could have maybe skated charges all together over a technicality.</quote> Wait, what? She didn't accomplish much? The cop didn't get the blood sample, did he?</quote> Would have been thrown out in court. Who cares if he would have or not? Was inadmissable regardless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 11:03:55 AM #475:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik, should Rosa Parks have just gone to the back of the bus? Huh --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886296610] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Corrik, should Rosa Parks have just gone to the back of the bus?</quote> Huh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 11:05:26 AM #476:	Corrik posted... Would have been thrown out in court. Who cares if he would have or not? Was inadmissable regardless. That's putting a LOT of trust in courts that I am not willing to grant them --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886296675] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Would have been thrown out in court. Who cares if he would have or not? Was inadmissable regardless.</quote> That's putting a LOT of trust in courts that I am not willing to grant them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 11:06:41 AM #477:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik posted... Would have been thrown out in court. Who cares if he would have or not? Was inadmissable regardless. That's putting a LOT of trust in courts that I am not willing to grant them There is zero chance it would have been admissable and might have been grounds to skate the charge all together (though that case seems to be a lot more than meets the eye as far as just bringing in a suspect) --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886296712] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Would have been thrown out in court. Who cares if he would have or not? Was inadmissable regardless.</quote> That's putting a LOT of trust in courts that I am not willing to grant them</quote> There is zero chance it would have been admissable and might have been grounds to skate the charge all together (though that case seems to be a lot more than meets the eye as far as just bringing in a suspect)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 11:07:04 AM #478:	Corrik posted... Jakyl25 posted... Corrik, should Rosa Parks have just gone to the back of the bus? Huh I mean, it was the rule. What was she accomplishing by disobeying, right? Should have just voiced her complaint and complied --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886296720] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Corrik, should Rosa Parks have just gone to the back of the bus?</quote> Huh</quote> I mean, it was the rule. What was she accomplishing by disobeying, right? Should have just voiced her complaint and complied</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 09/09/17 11:07:26 AM #479:	Corrik posted... Like, it is easy for me sitting here calm and collected to say hey this is what she should have done with thought behind it compared to her spur of the moment situation. However... I feel "Sir it is against the law for me to draw blood without a warrant of an unconcious man" " Just fucking do it" "I am telling you I am not allowed to do so." "Just fucking do it" "I am making it known it is against the law and you are making me do this. That I will be filing a complaint and having this reported to your commanding officer and above afterwards." Does it I mean, I am not saying if a cop tells you to kill someone or rape someone you should do it obviously. But, in that situation I definitely felt making your thoughts known and complying would have been what I would have done. Ok but even if a Cop told you to do it, illegally performing a procedure of any kind on somebody puts you and the hospital (and thus, your JOB) at risk. She did the right thing for herself and her family by standing her ground. --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:886296724] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>Like, it is easy for me sitting here calm and collected to say hey this is what she should have done with thought behind it compared to her spur of the moment situation. However... I feel "Sir it is against the law for me to draw blood without a warrant of an unconcious man" " Just fucking do it" "I am telling you I am not allowed to do so." "Just fucking do it" "I am making it known it is against the law and you are making me do this. That I will be filing a complaint and having this reported to your commanding officer and above afterwards." Does it I mean, I am not saying if a cop tells you to kill someone or rape someone you should do it obviously. But, in that situation I definitely felt making your thoughts known and complying would have been what I would have done.</quote> Ok but even if a Cop told you to do it, illegally performing a procedure of any kind on somebody puts you and the hospital (and thus, your JOB) at risk. She did the right thing for herself and her family by standing her ground.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 11:08:13 AM #480:	Corrik posted... There is zero chance it would have been admissable and might have been grounds to skate the charge all together (though that case seems to be a lot more than meets the eye as far as just bringing in a suspect) What charge? What are you talking about? This wasn't a suspect, this was a victim. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886296750] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote> There is zero chance it would have been admissable and might have been grounds to skate the charge all together (though that case seems to be a lot more than meets the eye as far as just bringing in a suspect) </quote> What charge? What are you talking about? This wasn't a suspect, this was a victim.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 09/09/17 11:09:55 AM #481:	Somebody please explain how Corrik's opinions on this page at all jive with his legalism defense of slavery --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Reg posted [p:886296813] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>Somebody please explain how Corrik's opinions on this page at all jive with his legalism defense of slavery</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 11:10:27 AM #482:	Anyways, a lot more good was accomplished by her being arrested than would have been by her following Corrik's plan, so at least she has more of a spine than him. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886296832] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>Anyways, a lot more good was accomplished by her being arrested than would have been by her following Corrik's plan, so at least she has more of a spine than him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 11:17:41 AM #483:	Trump's new Twitter header image is kind of funny IMO https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/25073877/1504954675/1500x500 So phallic --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886297077] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>Trump's new Twitter header image is kind of funny IMO https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/25073877/1504954675/1500x500 So phallic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 09/09/17 11:23:36 AM #484:	It seems to me that Corrik doesn't even have the basics of the nurse situation down right and he's just regurgitating what he's been told in passing. Wasting everyone's time with his shit. --- **** Netflix <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:886297305] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>It seems to me that Corrik doesn't even have the basics of the nurse situation down right and he's just regurgitating what he's been told in passing. Wasting everyone's time with his shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 11:28:02 AM #485:	http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/08/politics/steven-mnuchin-house-republican-meeting/index.html These accounts of Mnuchin's meeting with House Republicans are great --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886297495] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/08/politics/steven-mnuchin-house-republican-meeting/index.html These accounts of Mnuchin's meeting with House Republicans are great</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 11:40:48 AM #486:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik posted... There is zero chance it would have been admissable and might have been grounds to skate the charge all together (though that case seems to be a lot more than meets the eye as far as just bringing in a suspect) What charge? What are you talking about? This wasn't a suspect, this was a victim. That doesn't make sense. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886297968] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote> There is zero chance it would have been admissable and might have been grounds to skate the charge all together (though that case seems to be a lot more than meets the eye as far as just bringing in a suspect) </quote> What charge? What are you talking about? This wasn't a suspect, this was a victim.</quote> That doesn't make sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 11:43:54 AM #487:	So you basically have no idea what actually happened --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886298085] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>So you basically have no idea what actually happened</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 09/09/17 11:55:52 AM #488:	The person brought to the hospital was the victim of a bad police chase, who was completely UNinvolved until they got slammed. The police were trying to take his blood so they could (possibly) skirt responsibility for causing the accident. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:886298529] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>The person brought to the hospital was the victim of a bad police chase, who was completely UNinvolved until they got slammed. The police were trying to take his blood so they could (possibly) skirt responsibility for causing the accident.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 11:58:08 AM #489:	Jakyl25 posted... So you basically have no idea what actually happened Unless utah has different laws (which i am sure with all your googling you are an expert at because you know how you all are here acting like yinz are), in a fatal crash they check alcohol content of everyone involved. In PA, even if someone else wrecks into you totally at their own fault and you fail for bac then you are at fault and charged with a DUI. Now, this normally never plays out in this way because you are both concious, if the cops are called they can usually see if you are intoxicated, and this isn't necessary. In this case, the person was not concious so it was impossible to make a judgment on intoxication. A death occured in a crash which usually triggers testing on all parties. I mean, yeah, you can argue he wasn't a suspect but they are supposed to rule out intoxication being involved which makes him a suspect in my mind. You don't invoke implied consent on the person to order blood if they are not suspected of intoxication, whether you believe they are or not. He was a suspect. He wanted to draw his blood to remove him being a suspect of a crime from the equation. So, I dunno unless Utah has some weird laws I see no way he wasn't a suspect. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886298614] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So you basically have no idea what actually happened</quote> Unless utah has different laws (which i am sure with all your googling you are an expert at because you know how you all are here acting like yinz are), in a fatal crash they check alcohol content of everyone involved. In PA, even if someone else wrecks into you totally at their own fault and you fail for bac then you are at fault and charged with a DUI. Now, this normally never plays out in this way because you are both concious, if the cops are called they can usually see if you are intoxicated, and this isn't necessary. In this case, the person was not concious so it was impossible to make a judgment on intoxication. A death occured in a crash which usually triggers testing on all parties. I mean, yeah, you can argue he wasn't a suspect but they are supposed to rule out intoxication being involved which makes him a suspect in my mind. You don't invoke implied consent on the person to order blood if they are not suspected of intoxication, whether you believe they are or not. He was a suspect. He wanted to draw his blood to remove him being a suspect of a crime from the equation. So, I dunno unless Utah has some weird laws I see no way he wasn't a suspect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 12:04:27 PM #490:	Corrik posted... You don't invoke implied consent on the person to order blood if they are not suspected of intoxication, whether you believe they are or not. He was a suspect. He wanted to draw his blood to remove him being a suspect of a crime from the equation. He wasn't a suspect. That's the whole point. If he WAS a suspect then they could very easily get a warrant and the nurse would have to step aside. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886298880] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>You don't invoke implied consent on the person to order blood if they are not suspected of intoxication, whether you believe they are or not. He was a suspect. He wanted to draw his blood to remove him being a suspect of a crime from the equation.</quote> He wasn't a suspect. That's the whole point. If he WAS a suspect then they could very easily get a warrant and the nurse would have to step aside.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 12:10:24 PM #491:	http://ktla.com/2017/09/05/utah-hospital-changes-protocol-with-law-enforcement-after-nurse-arrest/amp/ Though the man was not a suspect in the wreck, which killed another driver, police asked for his blood to be drawn. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-nurse-arrested-20170902-story,amp.html In the video, Wubbels, who works in the burn unit at Utah University Hospital, explains she's protecting the patient's rights and she can't take the man's blood unless he is under arrest, police have a warrant or the patient consents. None of that applied, and the patient was not a suspect. I can keep looking --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886299108] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>http://ktla.com/2017/09/05/utah-hospital-changes-protocol-with-law-enforcement-after-nurse-arrest/amp/ <quote>Though the man was not a suspect in the wreck, which killed another driver, police asked for his blood to be drawn.</quote> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-nurse-arrested-20170902-story,amp.html <quote>In the video, Wubbels, who works in the burn unit at Utah University Hospital, explains she's protecting the patient's rights and she can't take the man's blood unless he is under arrest, police have a warrant or the patient consents. None of that applied, and the patient was not a suspect.</quote> I can keep looking</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 12:13:14 PM #492:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik posted... You don't invoke implied consent on the person to order blood if they are not suspected of intoxication, whether you believe they are or not. He was a suspect. He wanted to draw his blood to remove him being a suspect of a crime from the equation. He wasn't a suspect. That's the whole point. If he WAS a suspect then they could very easily get a warrant and the nurse would have to step aside. You are confusing suspect of the chase and crash and suspect of intoxication while driving. Lol try calling judges up for warrants to draw blood on duis. That isn't how it works. (Until a recent ruling striking down blood being drawn as an invasion of privacy). Cops will automatically ask you for your blood drawn. If you refuse they do not get warrants, they charge you with a dui and an implied consent violation. Judges never get called for warrants on those. In PA if you do not take a test when asked you automatically lose your license for a year. You have implied consent. So, what this boils down to... A fatality happened. They have to test everyone as if a suspected DUI offender. He was trying to draw the blood because he wanted to remove the possibility of a DUI because he knew he wasn't drunk but was suspected til cleared by law. The laws in utah prohibited it. He was unaware. If they drew his blood and he was intoxicated, it would have been thrown out in court due to improper taking of the sample. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886299201] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote>You don't invoke implied consent on the person to order blood if they are not suspected of intoxication, whether you believe they are or not. He was a suspect. He wanted to draw his blood to remove him being a suspect of a crime from the equation.</quote> He wasn't a suspect. That's the whole point. If he WAS a suspect then they could very easily get a warrant and the nurse would have to step aside.</quote> You are confusing suspect of the chase and crash and suspect of intoxication while driving. Lol try calling judges up for warrants to draw blood on duis. That isn't how it works. (Until a recent ruling striking down blood being drawn as an invasion of privacy). Cops will automatically ask you for your blood drawn. If you refuse they do not get warrants, they charge you with a dui and an implied consent violation. Judges never get called for warrants on those. In PA if you do not take a test when asked you automatically lose your license for a year. You have implied consent. So, what this boils down to... A fatality happened. They have to test everyone as if a suspected DUI offender. He was trying to draw the blood because he wanted to remove the possibility of a DUI because he knew he wasn't drunk but was suspected til cleared by law. The laws in utah prohibited it. He was unaware. If they drew his blood and he was intoxicated, it would have been thrown out in court due to improper taking of the sample.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 12:16:35 PM #493:	So is it your assertion that everyone in any crash is a DUI suspect? Why would there be any suspicion of DUI at all? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886299323] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>So is it your assertion that everyone in any crash is a DUI suspect? Why would there be any suspicion of DUI at all?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 12:19:55 PM #494:	Jakyl25 posted... So is it your assertion that everyone in any crash is a DUI suspect? Why would there be any suspicion of DUI at all? A fatal crash automatically triggers testing on it. A regular fender bender doesn't require testing. If someone you crash into is visibly drunk, they are likely to let it go that you crashed into them unless they don't know the laws. Lol --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886299454] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So is it your assertion that everyone in any crash is a DUI suspect? Why would there be any suspicion of DUI at all?</quote> A fatal crash automatically triggers testing on it. A regular fender bender doesn't require testing. If someone you crash into is visibly drunk, they are likely to let it go that you crashed into them unless they don't know the laws. Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 12:22:57 PM #495:	So why do you think it's better to just let the police steamroll you and sort it out later than to stand up to them when they're out of line? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886299572] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>So why do you think it's better to just let the police steamroll you and sort it out later than to stand up to them when they're out of line?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 12:29:06 PM #496:	Depending on your state, officers may require BAC testing of drivers, passengers, and/or pedestrians killed in automobile accidents. In other states, however, testing occurs at the discretion of the officers on the scene. Many of the states lacking mandatory BAC testing requirements rely on implied consent law to authorize BAC testing of motorists, passengers, and/or pedestrians seriously injured or killed in accidents. I mean, the cop was obviously wrong in what he was trying to do based on the law they have there. I think in the literal sense he was technically a suspect of a DUI and the cop was just trying to get the blood sample to prove he wasn't. But, I am not a Utah Law expert. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886299843] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>Depending on your state, officers may require BAC testing of drivers, passengers, and/or pedestrians killed in automobile accidents. In other states, however, testing occurs at the discretion of the officers on the scene. Many of the states lacking mandatory BAC testing requirements rely on implied consent law to authorize BAC testing of motorists, passengers, and/or pedestrians seriously injured or killed in accidents. I mean, the cop was obviously wrong in what he was trying to do based on the law they have there. I think in the literal sense he was technically a suspect of a DUI and the cop was just trying to get the blood sample to prove he wasn't. But, I am not a Utah Law expert.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 12:30:38 PM #497:	Jakyl25 posted... So why do you think it's better to just let the police steamroll you and sort it out later than to stand up to them when they're out of line? I don't know what she gained by it. I would have just firmly said no twice and if pushed stated why I said no and stating I was doing it against my will and would report it. Obviously I guess it worked out for her? --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886299901] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So why do you think it's better to just let the police steamroll you and sort it out later than to stand up to them when they're out of line?</quote> I don't know what she gained by it. I would have just firmly said no twice and if pushed stated why I said no and stating I was doing it against my will and would report it. Obviously I guess it worked out for her?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/09/17 12:32:03 PM #498:	She gained her own integrity for one thing --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:886299966] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>She gained her own integrity for one thing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 12:36:16 PM #499:	Jakyl25 posted... She gained her own integrity for one thing I do not understand how she gained "integrity". Perhaps though. I would say respect for knowledge of the law. I haven't watched the video though to see how she actually reacts during the situation. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886300129] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>She gained her own integrity for one thing</quote> I do not understand how she gained "integrity". Perhaps though. I would say respect for knowledge of the law. I haven't watched the video though to see how she actually reacts during the situation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/09/17 12:36:35 PM #500:	Go Heels. Fuck Dook. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:886300130] in Politics C... [t:75747014]...</cite> <quote>Go Heels. Fuck Dook.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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