Current Events > My boss wants to offer me a 'promotion' but won't increase my salary.

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Basically, he wants to change my job description from 'senior associate' to 'associate team leader'. This means I will have to assume more roles and responsibilities.

I asked about remuneration rate for this role and he said wasn't able to increase my salary from the what it is now. But there is the potential of it going up before the end of the year.

I have literally never heard of a job promotion without some sort of salary increase. Sounds like they want to dump more responsibilities on me that they weren't able to do otherwise due to my current job description.

He's pressuring me to accept by the end of this week. Should I go for it?
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Depends what your long term plans are. If it's a good place to work you could see yourself doing for a long time I'd take it. If it's short term then don't.
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lol nope

You are never gonna get a raise.

"Oh yeah you might get one later in the year. Maybe"
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I'd want some more concrete reassurance that that raise is a real possibility and not just a "i reckon" from your boss. Maybe if it was conditional on meeting your KPIs, and if you love this job.

Otherwise you are correct. They're going to heap more responsibility on you.
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maybe it's bad advice, but I recommend that you take the position so that you'll have a fancier title to put on your resume, which might end up helping out if your boss doesn't give you a raise after a while
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paladin_man posted...

I asked about remuneration rate for this role and he said wasn't able to increase my salary from the what it is now. But there is the potential of it going up before the end of the year.

Point out that he's literally asking you to do more work without being compensated for that extra work. Then tell him that because you like the job and you do trust that the company isn't actively trying to take advantage of you but is genuinely just in a tight spot at the moment you'll take the promotion on the condition that, by the end of the year, you get the pay raise.

When November comes around and you haven't had a raise yet, remind the boss of your agreement.

If it gets to December and you still don't have a raise, remind him again of the agreement and inform him that you'll be putting in your two week notice just before the holiday.
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It's called a lateral promotion. Essentially, you are valuable enough for the company to keep, but you aren't fit enough to join mid management or whatever is above you. Pretty much, the company does not wanting you to get bored and quit.
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he just want you to work more.
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paladin_man posted...

team leader

hahaha the classic fake promotion with noncommital verbal raise

ask for the timed salary increase in writing.
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don't do it. they'll just get some other sucker to take it.

team leader doesn't really help much on your resume. some but it's still not a supervisor/manager so it really doesn't add much. definitely not to the point of where you should take on the extra work and not be compensated for it.

Hate to say this, but a promotion without a raise isn't overly unheard of right now. Id suck it up and take it now,and in 6 months if nothing has changed, look for something else. At the every least, you can demonstrate to a new potential employer that you got a promotion.
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More work, same pay.
No thanks.
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At the very least you take it and start looking. You say no they won't think much of you and your job is a dead end at that point.
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yanksmtm posted...

Hate to say this, but a promotion without a raise isn't overly unheard of right now. Id suck it up and take it now,and in 6 months if nothing has changed, look for something else. At the every least, you can demonstrate to a new potential employer that you got a promotion.

This, if you decide to stay then you've pretty much accepted your **** position in the company.
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Aristoph posted...

paladin_man posted...

I asked about remuneration rate for this role and he said wasn't able to increase my salary from the what it is now. But there is the potential of it going up before the end of the year.

Point out that he's literally asking you to do more work without being compensated for that extra work. Then tell him that because you like the job and you do trust that the company isn't actively trying to take advantage of you but is genuinely just in a tight spot at the moment you'll take the promotion on the condition that, by the end of the year, you get the pay raise.

When November comes around and you haven't had a raise yet, remind the boss of your agreement.

If it gets to December and you still don't have a raise, remind him again of the agreement and inform him that you'll be putting in your two week notice just before the holiday.

That approach actually sounds legit and reasonable. However, I do not have the luxury of calling it in two weeks before Christmas since I'm renting.

boxington posted...

maybe it's bad advice, but I recommend that you take the position so that you'll have a fancier title to put on your resume, which might end up helping out if your boss doesn't give you a raise after a while

I was thinking that at first. However, 'senior associate' sounds better than 'associate team leader'. Team leader sounds like small time management role at McDonald's.

What I hate when bosses/companies do stuff like this, they are basically punishing their employees that work well. In my old retail job, we had two part timers for the weekend. They put me on Saturdays (busier with lower pay) and the other part timer on Sundays (MUCH quieter and higher pay) because I was a bit quicker at doing things. I didn't like that at all. Saturdays was 1.25 and Sunday was 2!
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I'd quit on the spot.
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I would take the "promotion" so you have a fancier title and can put that on your resume, and then begin looking for new work immediately

paladin_man posted...

I was thinking that at first. However, 'senior associate' sounds better than 'associate team leader'. Team leader sounds like small time management role at McDonald's.

the thing is that now you can put another entry on your resume / linkedin / whatever with your new position. so instead of working at this company it shows that you not only worked at this place for your role for X amount of years, but that you were promoted. You could even put one entry on your resume as "Senior Associate" and then another as "Senior Associate - Team Lead" so it looks like you worked your way up the ranks.

However I'd GTFO pretty soon after this because if there is no raise it's just more work with no reward, and obviously you don't have a future at this company if they are not looking to develop employees and reward them for it. It's indicative of how the rest of your time will be here
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Wow they must look at you like a doormat. Tell them no money no promotion, start looking for a new job, and when you get a new one don't be a fucking doormat.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Depends what your long term plans are. If it's a good place to work you could see yourself doing for a long time I'd take it. If it's short term then don't.

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I remember years ago I moved from Help Desk Specialist to Jr IT Specialist with no raise. Shit sucks but an upgraded title is better than nothing and use it to build your resume and move to something else that will respect you worth.
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You know what, I'm going to disagree with everyone saying it'll look better on a resume. I get the initial thought: It's an additional title, it shows some leadership. But just as we're all aware that the position is a farce, so will anyone else that's considering hiring him. They'll know all about fake promotions.

It will show them that the management at his old company likes his work, but doesn't think he has drive or talent to promote to management. It might make him more likely to get hired, but they'll have preconceived notions that he's not fit for higher promotions, and that they can push him around to get more work out of him. Even if his performance shows aspiration and traits they look for in management, it will be hard to overcome their initial impression.

I suggest you turn it down, and look for another job. Then do the usual thing. Weigh the new job against your current job's counter offer.
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if you aren't married to the company and don't mind looking elsewhere, you could accept the new position and just use it to decorate your resume, which may help you get a more lucrative position at another company.
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

It's called a lateral promotion. Essentially, you are valuable enough for the company to keep, but you aren't fit enough to join mid management or whatever is above you. Pretty much, the company does not wanting you to get bored and quit.

My brother just got one.
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yanksmtm posted...

Hate to say this, but a promotion without a raise isn't overly unheard of right now. Id suck it up and take it now,and in 6 months if nothing has changed, look for something else. At the every least, you can demonstrate to a new potential employer that you got a promotion.

It's reprehensible to stack on more responsilbities without better pay.

This isn't like "hey we are gonna be short for a week or two can you help with this and that for that period"

This is " here is a bunch of extra work that is always your responsibility but you make the same money and we will BS about maybe probably not getting a raise"
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I was in a similar situation and strong armed my boss into a raise. He offered me the promotion without compensation. I happily agreed and said it'll look great on my resume.
The next day I was told that magically the new position came with a raise.
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pikachupwnage posted...

yanksmtm posted...

Hate to say this, but a promotion without a raise isn't overly unheard of right now. Id suck it up and take it now,and in 6 months if nothing has changed, look for something else. At the every least, you can demonstrate to a new potential employer that you got a promotion.

It's reprehensible to stack on more responsilbities without better pay.

This isn't like "hey we are gonna be short for a week or two can you help with this and that for that period"

This is " here is a bunch of extra work that is always your responsibility but you make the same money and we will BS about maybe probably not getting a raise"

Yea...life isn't fair. Especially in the business world.
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When you get a promotion but no raise, one of two things happens:

1. You are now underpaid and raises will come.
2. You are now underpaid and move to a similar position in a different company for more money.
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More responsibility with the same pay?


That's a sucker
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I move jobs more than most people, but I would never take that deal. I've quit at least three jobs for inadequate regular pay increases lol, I can't imagine even trying something like this

the big exception has already been discussed, which is if you're really in love with this company OR this line of work and you need the job title and responsbilities to use as an elevator pitch some where else

but honestly I'd already be looking for another job if my manager asked me that
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