Board 8 > NFL hype topic

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Well, the problem is really the way the NFL works. Stafford is the highest paid QB because he's the most recently paid QB. Kirk friggin' Cousins will probably become the highest paid QB next year.
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Are you sure that's more laughable than Stafford? I'm not.
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Considering the teams that are going to be offering Cousins that money (The Rams and the 49ers because of their coaches' connections with him), yes, it will be.
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Are there sabermetrics in football? Do QBs have VORP values?

I just cannot believe that there is such little incoming QB potential from college over the next few years that you have to pay a mid-tier guy like Stafford when you're not close to a Championship in any way.
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Well, supposedly the best draft prospect in college football this year plays at Wyoming.

Drafting QBs in particular is such an inexact science anyway. Look no further than the Peyton Manning/Ryan Leaf 1-2 punch in 1998 as proof.

Or, you know, Tom Brady.

Or any number of top 5 draft picks who suck, like Blake Bortles.
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So a 50/50 shot at someone who pans out better/worse than Stafford
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I doubt the odds are that balanced for a team like the Lions

Who was the last good QB the Lions drafted before Stafford?
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Hey; be lucky you even have Stafford; The Vikings overshot for a guy who wouldn't be caught dead as a backup, then found a guy whose draft stock died because of fucking GLOVES...only to suffer horrific career threatening injuries, then spend 1st/4th on a guy who has never even once lived up to potential because of even MORE injuries. That's not even bringing up McNabb, Jackson, Webb, and um...every other non-Favre guy in the past 10 years.
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LeonhartFour posted...

I doubt the odds are that balanced for a team like the Lions

Who was the last good QB the Lions drafted before Stafford?

Y.A. Tittle

Unless you count Joey Harrington, who is a scholar and a saint.
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Strife2 posted...

Hey; be lucky you even have Stafford; The Vikings overshot for a guy who wouldn't be caught dead as a backup, then found a guy whose draft stock died because of fucking GLOVES...only to suffer horrific career threatening injuries, then spend 1st/4th on a guy who has never even once lived up to potential because of even MORE injuries. That's not even bringing up McNabb, Jackson, Webb, and um...every other non-Favre guy in the past 10 years.

And yet, more success than Stafford
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See, Stafford stuff? This is why I tagged this topic.
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Jakyl25 posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

I doubt the odds are that balanced for a team like the Lions

Who was the last good QB the Lions drafted before Stafford?

Y.A. Tittle

Unless you count Joey Harrington, who is a scholar and a saint.

Did they draft that guy who ran out of his own endzone to avoid a sack, causing a safety? That was the most LOLions moment I can remember.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Strife2 posted...

Hey; be lucky you even have Stafford; The Vikings overshot for a guy who wouldn't be caught dead as a backup, then found a guy whose draft stock died because of fucking GLOVES...only to suffer horrific career threatening injuries, then spend 1st/4th on a guy who has never even once lived up to potential because of even MORE injuries. That's not even bringing up McNabb, Jackson, Webb, and um...every other non-Favre guy in the past 10 years.

And yet, more success than Stafford

The Vikings or the QBs they selected? Because if you say Christian Ponder is better than Matthew Stafford, I'll have to smack you.
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hey the Vikings had Culpepper too (who was supposed to be the Lions' QB before they drafted Stafford)

*checks*

whoa holy crap Daunte Culpepper is 40 years old?
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Strife2 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

I doubt the odds are that balanced for a team like the Lions

Who was the last good QB the Lions drafted before Stafford?

Y.A. Tittle

Unless you count Joey Harrington, who is a scholar and a saint.

Did they draft that guy who ran out of his own endzone to avoid a sack, causing a safety? That was the most LOLions moment I can remember.

Dan Orlovsky

And it wasn't to avoid a sack, he just dropped back too far. I'm serious.
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Strife2 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Strife2 posted...

Hey; be lucky you even have Stafford; The Vikings overshot for a guy who wouldn't be caught dead as a backup, then found a guy whose draft stock died because of fucking GLOVES...only to suffer horrific career threatening injuries, then spend 1st/4th on a guy who has never even once lived up to potential because of even MORE injuries. That's not even bringing up McNabb, Jackson, Webb, and um...every other non-Favre guy in the past 10 years.

And yet, more success than Stafford

The Vikings or the QBs they selected? Because if you say Christian Ponder is better than Matthew Stafford, I'll have to smack you.

The Vikings!
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Jakyl25 posted...

Unless you count Joey Harrington, who is a scholar and a saint.

Man, I loved Joey Harrington at Oregon. I was so disappointed that he flopped in the NFL.
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Ok. I can agree the Vikings have been better than the Lions. That said, Blair Walsh did his best at making that not happen.
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Strife2 posted...

Ok. I can agree the Vikings have been better than the Lions. That said, Blair Walsh did his best at making that not happen.

You can't really blame Blair Walsh when he scored all your points in that game >_>
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and now Blair Walsh is playing for the Seahawks

smells like a conspiracy to me
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I like people on Twitter being like "he has so many 4th Quarter comebacks!"

Yeah because the Lions are usually losing games they shouldn't be
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Jakyl25 posted...

I like people on Twitter being like "he has so many 4th Quarter comebacks!"

Yeah because the Lions are usually losing games they shouldn't be

I mean it's better than NOT having so many 4th quarter comebacks...!
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LeonhartFour posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

I like people on Twitter being like "he has so many 4th Quarter comebacks!"

Yeah because the Lions are usually losing games they shouldn't be

I mean it's better than NOT having so many 4th quarter comebacks...!

Not really? You don't need them if you're winning
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or the inverse of they could have just lost all those games to begin with instead of him coming back to win
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LeonhartFour posted...

or the inverse of they could have just lost all those games to begin with instead of him coming back to win

But maybe then right now they wouldn't be committing to mediocrity
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The Lions have been committed to mediocrity since they were founded

Also Stafford is good
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I mean I'm not gonna lie, he's a great 2-minute drill QB. That's absolutely his strength.

He's like the opposite of a "game manager."
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they'd have just drafted the next Jared Goff instead

plus contracts in the NFL are such that if Stafford suddenly starts sucking they can just cut him and be done with it

they aren't stuck with him the way you are in the NBA
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That is an excellent point
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To chime in on the stafford thing, I'm with leon in that it's not so much stafford is worth it in a vacuum, but that he's just the most recently paid in a league in which the cap keeps going up and up and up. Every top player at their position is going to be the highest paid the longer we do this.

Also, the lions do have a choice, but this was the right one imo. I think stafford is talented enough that they are better off hoping he can somehow catch fire from now on rather than take a gamble at the draft. I think last year was enough for me to say that stafford really is better off without calvin johnson, not because johnson was a bad player, but because of stafford's own tendency to focus on him. I'm seeing that his QBR last year was his personal best, and I'm willing to bet it's because he's now looking for the open receiver rather than trying to force it to Johnson. Also looking at the stats, he's played 16 games each of the last 6 seasons, so he's overcome the injury plague that got him early in his career. He's certainly not elite tier but I think he is the kind of guy you want to lock up long term just because he's demonstrated he can play the position. At this point that's all you can really ask for.
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"If your quarterback is not the problem but is also not the solution, that's the going rate now."

Dan Le Batard said that about the Stafford deal today on his radio show, and I think that sums it up pretty well.
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Browns release former pro bowl CB Joe Haden

Panthers aren't sure if Cam Newton will be ready for week 1

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Steelers expected to sign Haden
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(pretend this comment came before Pat Mahomes)

Wait, you can draft quarterbacks?
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7 days!
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Former Golden Gopher Mitch Leidner (McShay's FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK...lol) may play for the Vikings tonight. I'm all for playing former state alums, but Leidner was not a starting QB. He was buoyed by strong running backs and an awesome tight end. Now, this feels like a pity tryout.

Then again, the Gophers are playing a two-QB system this year. What's that saying? If you have two starting QBs, you have none?
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Steelers pick up Joe Haden. Should be a good spot for him. Can play man to man (what they need to compete with NE), and will be their number 2 with Artie Burns being their main guy. William Gay being their slot CB where he is actually really good, just terrible on the ends. Haden isnt quite what he used to be though, the price tag being kinda high
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Leveon bell reports to steelers.

Zeke Elliot's hearing is done, should have a result by Monday. Schefter seems to think it'll be reduced.
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Jets get:
WR Jermaine Kearse
Seattle 2nd rd pick

Seahawks get:
DL Sheldon Richardson

Teams swap 7th rounders.
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Patriots: 14-2
Dolphins: 10-6
Bills: 5-11
Jets: 1-15

Steelers: 12-4
Bengals: 10-6
Ravens: 7-9
Browns: 2-14

Texans: 8-8
Titans: 7-9
Colts: 6-10
Jaguars: 5-11

Raiders: 13-3
Chiefs: 12-4
Broncos: 8-8
Chargers: 7-9

Cowboys: 10-6
Giants: 10-6
Eagles: 8-8
Redskins: 6-10

Packers: 12-4
Lions: 11-5
Vikings: 10-6
Bears: 3-13

Buccaneers: 10-6
Falcons: 9-7
Panthers: 8-8
Saints: 7-9

Cardinals: 11-5
Rams: 9-7
Seahawks: 9-7
49ers: 3-13

Byes: Patriots, Raiders, Packers, Cardinals

Steelers > Bengals
Chiefs > Texans

Patriots > Chiefs
Raiders > Steelers

Patriots > Raiders

Buccaneers > Giants
Lions > Cowboys

Packers > Lions
Cardinals > Bucs

Cardinals > Packers

Patriots > Cardinals
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LOL Osweiler cut by the Browns
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How bad do you have to be...
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AFC North
Steelers: 14-2
Bengals: 7-9
Ravens: 7-9
Browns: 4-12

AFC South
Titans: 11-5
Texans: 8-8
Colts: 6-10
Jaguars: 5-11

AFC East
Patriots: 13-3
Dolphins: 7-9
Bills: 4-12
Jets: 1-15

AFC West
Chiefs: 11-5
Chargers: 10-6
Raiders: 9-7
Broncos: 7-9


1. Steelers
2. Patriots
3. Titans
4. Chiefs
5. Chargers
6. Raiders



NFC North
Packers: 13-3
Lions: 8-8
Vikings: 7-9
Bears: 3-13

NFC West
Seahawks: 11-5
Cardinals: 9-7
Rams: 7-9
49ers: 3-13

NFC South
Falcons: 12-4
Panthers: 10-6
Bucs: 9-7
Saints: 7-9

NFC East
Eagles: 10-6
Giants: 9-7
Cowboys: 8-8
Redskins: 6-10


1. Packers
2. Falcons
3. Seahawks
4. Eagles
5. Panthers
6. Cardinals




Raiders > Titans
Chiefs > Chargers

Seahawks > Cardinals
Panthers > Eagles


Steelers > Raiders
Patriots > Chiefs

Packers > Panthers
Seahawks > Falcons


Patriots > Steelers
Packers > Seahawks

Super Bowl 52: Packers > Patriots
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Titans

Cowboys

Super Bowl

collision course
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Emeraldegg posted...

Jets get:
WR Jermaine Kearse
Seattle 2nd rd pick

Seahawks get:
DL Sheldon Richardson

Teams swap 7th rounders.

#1 pick incoming baby!
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Jets were afraid the defense might fluke them into a win somewhere.

(Assuming we couldn't keep Richardson after this season, it's probably a good trade. Better than having him walk away for nothing.)
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MrSmartGuy posted...

Packers > Seahawks

Super Bowl 52: Packers > Patriots

stop msg i can only get so erect
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NFC Championship game - Lions vs. Cowboys. Both in wild card spots.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2730981-brock-osweiler-reportedly-to-sign-with-broncos-after-release-from-browns

BAHAHAHAHAHA that much faith in Siemian, huh?
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