Poll of the Day > Do the "Far-Left" and "Alt-Right" have the same end goal?

(+) Yeah! (+)

That being a homogeneous state.

Groups like antifa seem to exist just create a state where everyone is of the same social group, a society that is of perfect group-think and anyone who deviates form this group-think is "wrong".

Groups like the Alt-right seem to exist just to create an ethnostate where everyone in this state is of the same cultural heritage, this means that anyone of a deviant ethnicity is removed.

They are not opposed to one another, but rather they have different means to the same end goal.

Both of them are wrong.
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It's hard for me to take your stance on social issues seriously after that whole meltdown.

antifa was a fad, now we're back to nazis
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Lokarin posted...

antifa was a fad, now we're back to nazis

It's the ciiiiiircle of liiiiiife!
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Cacciato posted...

It's hard for me to take your stance on social issues seriously after that whole meltdown.

This sounds juicy. Let's hear the details.

They're the same damned thing. Only with a different means to the end.

Get rid of both.

Both the far left and alt right favor big government statism and censorship of speech that doesn't reflect the groupthink. Both groups are wearing the symbols of political parties that slaughtered millions of innocent people and discriminated against homosexuals and minorities. I guess the one key difference, is at least the alt right neo nazis acknowledge as much. It's ironic seeing a bunch of Antifa members touting anti bigotry, meanwhile waving flags with the hammer and sickle on them, completely oblivious to the fact that both Stalin and Guevara supported putting gay people into labor camps.

Everyone on both sides of the protest is responsible for the downfall of America. Anyone who tells you otherwise, is also part of the problem.
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First off, there really isn't such a thing as the "far-left", besides I guess hardcore communist and anarchists, but they have such little political real estate that it isn't even worth mentioning. Compared to the alt/far-Right, which basically dominates that side of the spectrum at this point.

Judgmenl posted...

Groups like antifa seem to exist just create a state where everyone is of the same social group, a society that is of perfect group-think and anyone who deviates form this group-think is "wrong".

Um, no? antifa isn't even a "group", since it has no unifying leadership or core tenants, besides being anti-fascists. Which brings me to my second point: dude, they are literally called anti-fascists. Their only goal is to repel fascism. How the flying fuck did you equate that to wanting everyone to be the same?

So to answer the topic: No, they do not have the same goals, and this entire topic is based on a false-premise.
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Isn't it called the horseshoe theory? As someone in the middle I am not sure there are many left of us or maybe we just get drowned out by the yelling from both sides.

BADoglick posted...

It's ironic seeing a bunch of Antifa members touting anti bigotry, meanwhile waving flags with the hammer and sickle on them

I won't claim to be very knowledgeable about antifa, but the hammer and sickle is not their official logo, and as I said, they really aren't unified as a collective to have one anyways. Some randos choosing to wave one from time to time is a pretty big far cry to what the alt-Right is doing.

This false equivalency shit has got to stop.
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Impossible to say. The Far-Left arguably wants a completely authoritarian state where the government controls all facets of life and free speech, etc, is banned. The Alt-Right doesn't have any coherent goals, obvious means, etc. Some of the white supremacists want a fully white nation, but that doesn't even account for all white supremacists let alone all the Alt-Right. There only core Alt-Right concept is the rollback of SJW legislation, etc, and increased representation under law. MRAs, for instance, want an equitable family court system where men aren't completely fucked out of their rights-- pushing back changes that came thanks to feminism when women became all but guaranteed to keep the kids.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

dude, they are literally called anti-fascists. Their only goal is to repel fascism. How the flying fuck did you equate that to wanting everyone to be the same?

Which is a meaningless name when they're absurdly anti-freedom and are using the same tactics and colors as a certain Italian fascist leader's men.
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Spoiler: they are both the same people!
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The far left doesn't exist. It's a bullshit term created by the alt right to draw attention away from their white supremacist ideology.

The alt right was created by white supremacists as a rebranding so people wouldn't think "white supremacist" when they heard alt right.
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jayj420 posted...

Spoiler: they are both the same people!

Both the alt-right and the far-left are made up of Soma alts.
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I don't believe Antifa is actually about any form of politics. It more seems to be an excuse to commit violence. They picked the most extreme ideology that would allow them to forcibly suppress the opposition. Which is a tactic that is closer to fascism than the definition they use to describe what they claim to be against.

The "Far-Left" and "Alt-Right" are both identarian groups. All identity politics eventually fracture. After facing outside threats in WWI, WWII, and the cold war the identity of Patriotism fractured. Race, gender, orientation, etc... became the new identity, and the identity of political ideology was quick to take advantage of this. To justify the new identity they needed some other identity to oppose. The "Alt-Right" is a response to the SJW movement. Individuals found themselves being blamed for things in the past that they had no involvement in and were thought to be resolved. So they formed a group because they were under attack as a group. But it's just fighting identity politics with more identity politics. Meanwhile the SJW movement is itself fracturing as the separate groups within shift blame for lack of success onto each other. They are essentially working toward same goal, and are using the same methodology to achieve that goal. They only differ in terms of who they oppose in order to justify their goal.

Real opposition to identity politics would be in the the form of individualism. I claim these rights for myself and extend the same rights to others. If I claim the right to judge others then others have claimed the right to judge me. If I claim the right to have something of value to say then others have claimed the right to to have something of value to say. This is where identity politics are failing. They want to judge but deny that they can be judged. They want to be heard, but don't want to listen.
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They aren't on opposite sides of a line in reality. They're at the ends of a curve that meets like a circle. They both want a fascist state where their agenda is conformed to. Read the short story "Harrison Bergeron" if you want to know what the world would be like under Antifa. We already have an idea of where Nazi rule would lead.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

They aren't on opposite sides of a line in reality. They're at the ends of a curve that meets like a circle. They both want a fascist state where their agenda is conformed to. Read the short story "Harrison Bergeron" if you want to know what the world would be like under Antifa. We already have an idea of where Nazi rule would lead.

I've read stories on Communist subreddits where everyone envisions the "Communist Utopia" as a mechanical existence where people do nothing but eat, work for the state and exercise (because your perfect communist society needs fit workers) with no allowance of individuality.

As in equating humans to cattle for the slaughter.
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Judgmenl posted...

I've read stories on Communist subreddits where everyone envisions the "Communist Utopia" as a mechanical existence where people do nothing but eat, work for the state and exercise (because your perfect communist society needs fit workers) with no allowance of individuality.

So a "Communist Utopia" is a "Capitalist Dystopia" minus the expensive entertainment. Reminds me of a Black Mirror episode.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifteen_Million_Merits

I think the issue raised is the lack of value on human life, or the lack of quality of life lived. It's a society that exists but has no reason to.
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I should really consider watching Black Mirror. I think I would like the show.
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