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08/12/17 12:45:14 PM
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https://www.gamespot.com/articles/cara-delevigne-wants-to-play-james-bond-as-rumored/1100-6452105/

I'm sure no one on B8 has very strong feelings about James Bond, but I'm still curious.
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EndOfDiscOne
08/12/17 12:46:57 PM
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I feel like a suave man hooking up with hot chicks is a staple of th franchise.
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NeoElfboy
08/12/17 12:48:04 PM
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I'd watch a female James Bond, sure. Don't really care, as long as I get my goofy one-liners and ridiculously over-the-top villains.

tbh at this point I just want to move on from Daniel Craig.
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RyoCaliente
08/12/17 12:48:50 PM
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It makes sense to have a female Doctor, it doesn't really make sense for a female Bond. I'm not against it or anything but this is weirder to me than a female Doctor.
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scarletspeed7
08/12/17 12:49:29 PM
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I have very strong feelings about James Bond; I think the character's misogyny is a defining trait of the character, and it lacks the impact if Bond is a woman. It's a great weakness to a character that has no other real weaknesses.

It's totally different from, say, making the Flash a woman. Does it affect the definition of the character? No. The Flash is defined almost exclusively by super-speed. Similarly, Bond is defined by his antiquated behavior, and it as such it requires a man to play the character. I would argue similarly about Wonder Woman and what her character represents. Some characters have to fulfill certain gender and/or race roles to make sense.

And if you want a female Bond, please get someone who can actually pull off the role - not Delevigne.
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Kenri
08/12/17 12:50:02 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
I feel like a suave man hooking up with hot chicks is a staple of th franchise.

All of this can still happen tbh, it would just be a suave woman hooking up with hot chicks
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08/12/17 12:52:10 PM
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only if they make her a lesbian
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MoogleKupo141
08/12/17 12:53:36 PM
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James is a boy's name
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08/12/17 12:55:01 PM
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PrinceKaro
08/12/17 12:55:55 PM
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I would be ok with making a totally new character who is like some illegitimate daughter of the original Bond and having her deal with her father's legacy.

But recasting the actual character of James Bond as female, fucking hell no.
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08/12/17 12:58:16 PM
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PrinceKaro posted...
I would be ok with making a totally new character who is like some illegitimate daughter of the original Bond and having her deal with her father's legacy.

But recasting the actual character of James Bond as female, fucking hell no.

In complete fairness to this idea, Sean Connery Bond having a daughter in like 1995 when he's 70 or whatever would be in-character.
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AfroSquirrel
08/12/17 12:59:57 PM
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Lady Bond is fine, as long as Bond is still seducing women.
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Tom Bombadil
08/12/17 1:02:14 PM
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sounds good
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kevwaffles
08/12/17 1:08:27 PM
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I generally find genderswapping a sign of lazy writing that rarely gets handled well, even if the concept itself isn't necessarily flawed. That said, I agree with Ryo and Scarlet.

There's also the fact that Bond is usually supposed to be the same Bond when they switch actors. The reboot with Casino Royale was not only fine but welcome for multiple reasons, but I really don't want that every time they change actors.
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08/12/17 1:40:07 PM
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MoogleKupo141 posted...
James is a boy's name

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08/12/17 2:02:06 PM
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kevwaffles posted...
There's also the fact that Bond is usually supposed to be the same Bond when they switch actors. The reboot with Casino Royale was not only fine but welcome for multiple reasons, but I really don't want that every time they change actors.

I always liked the theory that every actor change was a new agent assigned the James Bond/007 identity. But I hear one of the Daniel Craig movies put the hard kibosh on that.
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08/12/17 2:02:43 PM
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kevwaffles posted...
I generally find genderswapping a sign of lazy writing


this
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08/12/17 2:08:50 PM
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I don't think it makes sense. 007 is a franchise practically defined by aggressively traditional, nationalist, masculine sentiment. That's most of its identity.
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08/12/17 2:09:26 PM
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I don't care enough to say I would not be "okay" with it, but I think it would be a desperate move to bring new life to a waning franchise were it ever to happen so I wouldn't have high expectations
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kevwaffles
08/12/17 2:15:06 PM
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JonThePenguin posted...
kevwaffles posted...
There's also the fact that Bond is usually supposed to be the same Bond when they switch actors. The reboot with Casino Royale was not only fine but welcome for multiple reasons, but I really don't want that every time they change actors.

I always liked the theory that every actor change was a new agent assigned the James Bond/007 identity. But I hear one of the Daniel Craig movies put the hard kibosh on that.

I mean the fact that Sean Connery came back after George Lazenby flies in the face of that. Plus that it's hard in the SPECTRE plot for both of them.
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Wanglicious
08/12/17 2:19:45 PM
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isn't that basically Atomic Blonde?
James Bond as a franchise should keep the male lead, his masculinity is a part of the character. if you want a female super spy movie, just make it and establish a franchise around that the same way Bourne managed to establish its niche in that genre.
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LOLIAmAnAlt
08/12/17 2:31:56 PM
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Only if they make her straight.
But there is like a 0% chance of that happening in this age I feel.
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08/12/17 2:34:29 PM
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kevwaffles posted...
JonThePenguin posted...
kevwaffles posted...
There's also the fact that Bond is usually supposed to be the same Bond when they switch actors. The reboot with Casino Royale was not only fine but welcome for multiple reasons, but I really don't want that every time they change actors.

I always liked the theory that every actor change was a new agent assigned the James Bond/007 identity. But I hear one of the Daniel Craig movies put the hard kibosh on that.

I mean the fact that Sean Connery came back after George Lazenby flies in the face of that. Plus that it's hard in the SPECTRE plot for both of them.

Lazenby is the exception I make, just because of the whole Tracy thing (okay, this popped up with Roger Moore visiting her grave too, but that could just be reminding himself of his predecessor's mistake in getting too close to a civilian). I suppose it could work if Lazenby actually got himself killed seeking revenge and Connery was brought back to fill in until they could get a new Bond, with his first assignment being to finish the attempted vengeance Lazenby failed at...

I know it doesn't really work but it's a fun headcanon.
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08/12/17 2:35:58 PM
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Wanglicious posted...
isn't that basically Atomic Blonde?
James Bond as a franchise should keep the male lead, his masculinity is a part of the character. if you want a female super spy movie, just make it and establish a franchise around that the same way Bourne managed to establish its niche in that genre.


This 100%.
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08/12/17 2:41:55 PM
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There's no way to make the "each Bond is a different person" theory work. Brosnan and Lazenby Bond both have dead wives with the same names, Lazenby Bond looks at memorabilia from Connery Bond's adventures, and Brosnan and Craig Bond both had parents who died in skiing accidents.
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08/12/17 2:43:02 PM
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There's no way to make the "each Bond is a different person" theory work. Brosnan and Lazenby Bond both have dead wives with the same names, Lazenby Bond looks at memorabilia from Connery Bond's adventures, and Brosnan and Craig Bond both had parents who died in skiing accidents.


"Our parents all died on the same ski trip"
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08/12/17 2:44:17 PM
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Cara Delevigne is a shit actress so not if it's her.
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08/12/17 2:45:31 PM
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-FFDragon- posted...
Cara Delevigne is a shit actress so not if it's her.


Also this 150%
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JonThePenguin
08/12/17 2:47:37 PM
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There's no way to make the "each Bond is a different person" theory work. Brosnan and Lazenby Bond both have dead wives with the same names, Lazenby Bond looks at memorabilia from Connery Bond's adventures, and Brosnan and Craig Bond both had parents who died in skiing accidents.

I haven't seen any Craig movies and already acknowledged I've heard they put a pretty hard kibosh on it (something about the parents' grave), but Lazenby could've been acknowledging his predecessor's stuff and the shared name thing could've been a coincidence.

"No way to make the theory work" my ass. =P You should see some of the magnificent contortions Star Wars writers pulled to make things fit together in the pre-Disney EU.
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08/12/17 2:57:41 PM
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JonThePenguin posted...

I haven't seen any Craig movies and already acknowledged I've heard they put a pretty hard kibosh on it (something about the parents' grave), but Lazenby could've been acknowledging his predecessor's stuff and the shared name thing could've been a coincidence.

"No way to make the theory work" my ass. =P You should see some of the magnificent contortions Star Wars writers pulled to make things fit together in the pre-Disney EU.

Then how do both Connery and Lazenby Bond consider Blofeld to be their archnemesis? I remember Lazenby Bond is like "I have a history with Blofeld" that can only be explained by him being Connery Bond as well.
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08/12/17 5:49:46 PM
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Bump
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greengravy294
08/12/17 6:07:30 PM
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No thanks but a non Caucasian James Bond I'd be cool with
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08/12/17 6:12:38 PM
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Wanglicious posted...
isn't that basically Atomic Blonde?
James Bond as a franchise should keep the male lead, his masculinity is a part of the character. if you want a female super spy movie, just make it and establish a franchise around that the same way Bourne managed to establish its niche in that genre.


HA! I agree with Wang completely. This is hilarious :P
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08/12/17 6:25:53 PM
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greengravy294 posted...
No thanks but a non Caucasian James Bond I'd be cool with

As long as we just sort of ignore the race change the same way used to ignore the changing hair color and eternal youth to avoid constant reboots, this is fine.
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JonThePenguin
08/12/17 8:17:59 PM
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JonThePenguin posted...

I haven't seen any Craig movies and already acknowledged I've heard they put a pretty hard kibosh on it (something about the parents' grave), but Lazenby could've been acknowledging his predecessor's stuff and the shared name thing could've been a coincidence.

"No way to make the theory work" my ass. =P You should see some of the magnificent contortions Star Wars writers pulled to make things fit together in the pre-Disney EU.

Then how do both Connery and Lazenby Bond consider Blofeld to be their archnemesis? I remember Lazenby Bond is like "I have a history with Blofeld" that can only be explained by him being Connery Bond as well.

Nah, doesn't have to mean that. Could easily be plenty of missions between movies that we don't see.
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08/12/17 8:44:13 PM
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No
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08/12/17 8:58:03 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
I have very strong feelings about James Bond; I think the character's misogyny is a defining trait of the character, and it lacks the impact if Bond is a woman. It's a great weakness to a character that has no other real weaknesses.


It's not misogyny, it's womanizing. Misogyny is antipathy towards women, and Bond generally wants to screw women more than anything else.
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KanzarisKelshen
08/12/17 9:11:56 PM
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greengravy294 posted...
No thanks but a non Caucasian James Bond I'd be cool with


This, with the caveat they still need a british accent.
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08/12/17 9:31:06 PM
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Wanglicious posted...
isn't that basically Atomic Blonde?
James Bond as a franchise should keep the male lead, his masculinity is a part of the character. if you want a female super spy movie, just make it and establish a franchise around that the same way Bourne managed to establish its niche in that genre.


This I'm all for a female James Bond, but not an ACTUAL female James Bond if that makes sense. If you want to make a series about a bad ass female spy. Go for it. But Gender swapping it for the sake of it makes no sense.
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08/12/17 9:45:21 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Wanglicious posted...
isn't that basically Atomic Blonde?
James Bond as a franchise should keep the male lead, his masculinity is a part of the character. if you want a female super spy movie, just make it and establish a franchise around that the same way Bourne managed to establish its niche in that genre.


HA! I agree with Wang completely. This is hilarious :P


I agree that his masculinity/misogyny/womanizing are part of the character, but those are also becoming less and less appealing traits it seems. Bond will therefore have to change with the times (which has already happened, Craig is notably different to Connery in how he handles women I think. Or the movies themselves are) to remain commercially successful, and the less traditionally masculine he becomes the more it won't matter what gender the character is.

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08/12/17 9:51:36 PM
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JonThePenguin posted...
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JonThePenguin posted...

I haven't seen any Craig movies and already acknowledged I've heard they put a pretty hard kibosh on it (something about the parents' grave), but Lazenby could've been acknowledging his predecessor's stuff and the shared name thing could've been a coincidence.

"No way to make the theory work" my ass. =P You should see some of the magnificent contortions Star Wars writers pulled to make things fit together in the pre-Disney EU.

Then how do both Connery and Lazenby Bond consider Blofeld to be their archnemesis? I remember Lazenby Bond is like "I have a history with Blofeld" that can only be explained by him being Connery Bond as well.

Nah, doesn't have to mean that. Could easily be plenty of missions between movies that we don't see.


Bond's wife is mentioned a few times in the Roger Moore movies. They all share a continuity, basically, until they don't.
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scarletspeed7
08/12/17 10:16:55 PM
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I think you could theoretically prequelize Daniel Craig's Bonds to fit into the timeline.
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08/12/17 10:23:15 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
I think you could theoretically prequelize Daniel Craig's Bonds to fit into the timeline.

No. If his movies are prequels, then female M dies before Brosnan Bond.
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scarletspeed7
08/12/17 10:25:00 PM
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Oh yeah, good point.
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TheRock1525
08/12/17 10:30:39 PM
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Jane Bond.
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