Board 8 > Overwatch Summer Games 2017 starts today.

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tazzyboyishere posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

What world do you live in where "eating damage" isn't tanking?

Because she isn't taking damage? The point of a tank is to absorb damage, not completely dissolve it. D.Va herself gets destroyed pretty quickly when she's actually tanking.

By this logic Reinhardt isn't a tank because he doesn't take damage, his shield does.
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His shield takes damage and gets destroyed though......
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tazzyboyishere posted...

His shield takes damage and gets destroyed though......

And D. Va can run out of Defense Matrix. What's your point?
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But the length is determined by the user, not how much damage it receives. It's really not difficult.
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I feel like I'm reading the OverWatch version of that conversation with dragon ball and Fireball motions
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tazzyboyishere posted...

But the length is determined by the user, not how much damage it receives. It's really not difficult.

That doesn't affect the function of the ability, though - there's no practical difference if Reinhardt blocks a bunch of Junkrat grenades or D. Va eats them, because either way the grenades don't do damage to the tank's team.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

That doesn't affect the function of the ability, though - there's no practical difference if Reinhardt blocks a bunch of Junkrat grenades or D. Va eats them, because either way the grenades don't do damage to the tank's team.

Actually there is, because Reinhardt's shield sustains damage and can't be used to strategically block all incoming damage without being destroyed. Defense matrix doesn't run out of charge due to incoming damage, it runs out because you held it down too long.
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I think the issue is that we're operating on different definitions of "tanking".

I define tanking as preventing damage to your team.

You define it as taking damage in the place of your team (I think? Unless I'm misinterpreting you).

So under my definition, Defense Matrix is a tanking ability because it prevents your team from taking damage; under your definition it isn't because an attack absorbed by the matrix doesn't do damage to anything.
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It's tanking and there's literally no way to argue otherwise
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What a strange and pointless argument tazzyboy is making....

Reinhardt and Dva both nullify enemy damage, they just do it in slightly different ways (which is good for diversity). Nerfing Dva's nullify damage ability hurts her ability to reduce taken damage by her team (which is the point of tanking). So she's objectively less of a tank than before.
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CoolCly posted...

What a strange and pointless argument tazzyboy is making....

I wasn't even paying attention to the usernames but now that I know tazzy's involved the reason why an pointless argument based entirely around semantics appeared has suddenly become clear...
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I mean, I don't get how you can consider something to be tanking damage when the damage has literally disappeared from the plane of reality, but whatever.
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Grand Kirby posted...

CoolCly posted...

What a strange and pointless argument tazzyboy is making....

I wasn't even paying attention to the usernames but now that I know tazzy's involved the reason why an pointless argument based entirely around semantics appeared has suddenly become clear...

Wasn't really aware that I argued much on the board at all, but it's good to know that people who don't want to be involved can read my username and ignore the discussion at hand.
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*legendary*

*that weird crappy Doomfist mask one*


dang
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Unless I win Widowmaker's and Mercy's skins in the little time left, I'll just have to buy them.
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The only skin I'm missing is Widow.

On one hand, the completionists in me. On the other hand, I would rather stab myself with a pen than play Widow.

Hmmmmmmm.
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I got Tracer's red event one but I want the blue one. I'm debating whether I should buy it


Still want Zarya's

McCree's American is cheap enough


also I got alot of money prizes. I definitely have enough, but ya know....gotta save up for any good future Mei ones!
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Just went and tallied up the amount of currency it would take to buy the unlocks I want. 10000. I have 1400
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SgtSphynx posted...

Just went and tallied up the amount of currency it would take to buy the unlocks I want. 10000. I have 1400

better hit up arcade mode, dawg
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I don't have time to play
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swordz9 posted...

I kinda feel like the game is focusing on DPS way more than healing and tanking now.

Good. Tank/Healing was utterly broken in the previous meta. Tanks were DPSs that never died thanks to healers. The only actual DPS worth using was Reaper, specifically because he was good at killing tanks. All they've done is shift the balance back to a state that's more...well, balanced, so DPS doesn't feel like a waste of time.

Mercy changes are also good. Heroes Never Die was horrible to play against.
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I just realized, are we going to lose Mercy's cool alternate ultimate lines?
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I would hope she still says them if she resurrects somebody while Ulting.
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swordz9 posted...

I still can't believe they haven't nerfed Pharmercy. It's been the biggest complaint for a long time and the "checks/counters" to it on console aren't very reliable.

I assure you that they're not very reliable on PC either.
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Had a great Lucioball match this morning. Got 6/7 goals for my team while the enemy only got like 2 total I think and some guy on mic kept saying how good I was doing.

I've heard people complain about nerfing Pharmercy but how would you do that?

Its two things that they do separately just put together, nerfing it would mean nerfing them
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Punnyz posted...

I've heard people complain about nerfing Pharmercy but how would you do that?

Its two things that they do separately just put together, nerfing it would mean nerfing them

The problem is that they're basically uncounterable except by hitscan heroes and Hanzo, and even then it requires way more skill to stop them than they require to operate.

You're right, though. The heroes are fine on their own, it's only the combination that's a problem. I don't know how to fix that, but I do know that letting a Mercy instarez her Pharah just whenever instead of as an ult is only going to make it worse.
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They could lower the height Pharah can reach with her flight. The main reason they're so hard to deal with is because they can fly well outside the damage range of everybody who isn't a sniper so guys who should be able to deal with one or both pretty well can't really do shit for damage to them. I get it's part of her design, but there's really no reason Pharah should get to fly 2,000 feet above everybody while having 0 damage falloff with her rockets.

You don't even need to be good with Pharah to wreck with Pharmercy because Pharah's rockets have very generous splash damage range and no falloff

Just make it so Mercy can't fly to the same person twice in a row. Not a huge nerf but maybe enough
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*legendary*

*Rein's Balderich*

dang
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Punnyz posted...

I've heard people complain about nerfing Pharmercy but how would you do that?

An uncomfortable truth

buff widow
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Only way to buff Widow enough for the job is give her Soldier's Ultimate for each shot >_>

I'd rather deal with Pharmercy than buff Widow
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I thought they did just buff Widow?
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I wouldn't mind a Widow buff depending on how far they take it. Winston and D.Va are common as hell and make her job miserable if not almost impossible. There are so many poor Widowmakers the only thing that would make her truly terrifying is an insane aim buff of some kind. In my 1,000 hours I have seen maybe 10 good Widows.

LapisLazuli posted...

I thought they did just buff Widow?

Only her hook cooldown and a tweak to her venom mine. They didn't change her damage output or anything too meaningful.

Widow buff will supposedly be great for good Widows. Bad Widows still gonna be bad.
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I'm curious what makes it so better for them. The hook cooldown is nicer, but you're still getting bullied by D.Va and Winston. The mine thing I just see people waiting until it wears off before coming out of hiding. I'm still curious to see them in action though.

I'm glad widow isn't any better. I wish people would stop picking her
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Having a bit of extra mobility certainly helps. And a good Widow can follow up on the venom mine thing, and even if they wait, it'll prevent a flank better than it currently does at the very least.

Still, the change will barely ever matter for the people we play with and against.
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neonreaper posted...

I'm glad widow isn't any better. I wish people would stop picking her

Well right now on console I'd take Widow and Hanzo over Nerfhog >__>

Roadhog really hasn't been fun to play at all since the nerf.
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I've had excellent matches as Roadhog after the nerf.
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how was widow's poison changed?
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My experience both with and against him has seen him become a pretty easy kill. The hook is easy to dance around most of the time and his fatass makes him too easy to hit.
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Poison gives her wall hack for the target which is pretty powerful
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I've played Roadhog twice since the nerf and don't intend to play him ever again even after the patch.

Real sad seeing that #1 most played hero bar get smaller and smaller as Torbjorn prepares to overtake.
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I got him once in random heroes and played great. Was weird since I was usually pretty garbage with him.
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I've seen some people argue that Widowmaker and Hanzo should be removed from the game. Would be interesting.
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Road hog is ok. His super cheap move sucks now, but adjust your strategy and it's ok. If you're hook first, and not playing well as a team, yeah. Struggles ahoy
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