Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 117: The Midnight Hour

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Wanglicious posted...

tax cuts for poor people was one of his premises and if they did what redsox just said, so many would be thrilled.

and bear in mind, Bannon's the one who just a few days ago said he supports taxing those making over 5 million at 44%.

He also said that his plan for healthcare was that "everybody will be covered" at "a much lower cost" and that it would be "so easy"
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red sox 777 posted...

but the problem is, he lost a lot of political capital recently with this healthcare bill debacle.

no the problem is the house

that's a non-starter for the HFC.

Boehner had to go to Pelosi to get basic functions accomplished because they refused to play ball. Honestly, I expect Ryan will too.
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HaRRicH posted...

I just don't see how Donald isn't aware or complicit of Donald Jr., Jared, and Paul visiting aBOUT HER EMAILS.

Don't see how Ivanka is unaware and clean from this knowledge either, while we're at it.

Particularly with him hyping up about upcoming news of Hillary's emails just a few hours after that email chain with Jr.
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HaRRicH posted...

I just don't see how Donald isn't aware or complicit of Donald Jr., Jared, and Paul visiting aBOUT HER EMAILS.

Don't see how Ivanka is unaware and clean from this knowledge either, while we're at it.

Was Ivanka an official part of the campaign the way the others were?
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HaRRicH posted...

Don't see how Ivanka is unaware and clean from this knowledge either, while we're at it.

she's the elephant in the room. they don't want to target her directly but you know she's likely one of the biggest parts.
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I don't remember her being officially on the campaign (maybe?), but she's in the White House now. Her husband and brother were working together for her dad who got her this new job quick, so it's likely she wasn't left out in the dark about the meeting regardless of whether she was officially staffed then.
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I don't remember her being a part of it officially either. Only that she was a speaker at the convention, though that obviously doesn't make her part of it. Though IIRC she was floating policy positions and such which would only make sense if she were, or expected, to have a role. But that much was always obvious.
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HaRRicH posted...

I just don't see how Donald isn't aware or complicit of Donald Jr., Jared, and Paul visiting aBOUT HER EMAILS.

Don't see how Ivanka is unaware and clean from this knowledge either, while we're at it.

Simple, Don Jr never mentions this info is from Russia.

"Hey dad I've got some dirt on Hillary and her e-mails. Make an announcement about it when you get a chance."
"Sounds tremendous. This will be yuuuuge."
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TheRock1525 posted...

HaRRicH posted...

I just don't see how Donald isn't aware or complicit of Donald Jr., Jared, and Paul visiting aBOUT HER EMAILS.

Don't see how Ivanka is unaware and clean from this knowledge either, while we're at it.

Simple, Don Jr never mentions this info is from Russia.

"Hey dad I've got some dirt on Hillary and her e-mails. Make an announcement about it when you get a chance."
"Sounds tremendous. This will be yuuuuge."

You honestly think this is likely?
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yeah, that wouldn't be Don Jr saying that.
it'd be Kushner.
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Like, Trump is stupid, yeah. But in that scenario, he's being painted as some innocent man baby, basically, who is being used by everybody around him.

While he may be a man baby, he's not innocent.
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StealThisSheen posted...

But in that scenario, he's being painted as some innocent man baby, basically, who is being used by everybody around him.

I actually believe that a 70 year old man baby could be easily manipulated by the people around him, yes.

Not saying it's impossible or even unlikely, just that I can't go "it's almost 100% certain he colluded with Russia personally or ordered his staff to."
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I just can't get over how guilty he acts, and how shamelessly he openly loves Putin

If you don't want people to believe Russia helped you out, you probably shouldn't act so infatuated with them at every opportunity.
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The "I Love Russia" thing is a Fox News thing, too. Their pundits regularly went "Well at least Putin is a real leader" when Obama was president.

For how much Trump loves FN, it wouldn't surprise me if his love for Russia came along with it.
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but people are also dumb and no one is even pretending to hold them to any standards

I saw people on twitter a couple days ago suggesting that John McCain's surgery scar is fake. His brain cancer is some conspiracy to do... something?
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I did laugh at it, but it wasn't meant as a joke, so I also cried inside.
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I legit had not heard a human being mention J.K. Rowling in a solid year before your post. This is not a thing people actually cared about or wanted to talk about.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Regarding reading twitter, you'll get a much better pulse of what the internet-using general public thinks on there than relying on media spin from either side of the aisle. I don't care what biased news networks think anymore; I'd rather get it right from the people.

(Yes I know people are also biased, but at least I know they're not openly lying 100% of the time.)

That doesn't explain why you get opposing viewpoints from Twitter and claim it to be part of a news outlet when you're specifically avoiding hearing what news outlets are saying.
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ulti is like one of those local new stations that writes story about whatever CRAZY NEW TREND AMONG TEENS because he saw 1 or 2 people doing it
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I once saw a teenager passed out in a porta-john, i wouldn't be surprised if all the kids are doing it these days
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"It's called sauteing, Tom. I saw it at Bonnaroo and wanna get America ahead of the dangers of passing out in a portapotty."
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https://twitter.com/danpfeiffer/status/892008941915324417

You know things are going well when you have to clarify "no WH chaos!"
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wow, just the threat of a wall made the border secure!

thanks trump!
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Looks like we won't need to spend any money on the border after all!
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in fairness, that has been a growing trend. latest story being a growing number of central americans deciding to just stay at mexico.
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That's the whole point though

You don't need a fucking wall, you just need better enforcement
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You're also ignoring the societal and economic forces in play.

America is less welcoming, no longer seen as a shining city on a hill, and though i can't speak to the strength Mexican economy, there are likely forces in play there.
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Wanglicious posted...

in fairness, that has been a growing trend. latest story being a growing number of central americans deciding to just stay at mexico.

Honestly, that's not because of the threat of the wall, or border patrol, or even (directly) anything Donald Trump's done. It's just that the attitude toward them's gotten worse (which is indirectly caused by what Donald Trump's done)
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America is pretty much a laughing stock right now. There is no greater deterent to illegal immagration that Trump's wrinkly orange face.
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Peace___Frog posted...

You're also ignoring the societal and economic forces in play.

America is less welcoming, no longer seen as a shining city on a hill, and though i can't speak to the strength Mexican economy, there are likely forces in play there.

Mexico is an emerging economy and is seen as following in the footsteps of China/India/Brazil (though due to their population they won't be a major powerhouse) given the cultural similarities it isn't shocking that Central Americans are beginning to stay there.
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LapisLazuli posted...

America is pretty much a laughing stock right now.

Ok.

LapisLazuli posted...

immagration

Is this why?
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Yeah, as much as I won't attribute Trump doing anything directly to decrease illegal immigration, the idea that him embarrassing us is the deciding factor in people coming over here sounds equally bullshit. Char's explanation makes way more sense.
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This was from April:

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/854983136836333568

Int'l tourism to the US crashing. 107,000 lost jobs: nearly twice as many as the *entire* US coal industry employs. http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/19/news/us-visa-waiver-program-europe-tourism/index.html?sr=twCNN042017us-visa-waiver-program-europe-tourism0306AMStoryLink&linkId=36685904 ?

*PICTURE OF EXCERPT*


Tourism and people crossing the border aren't exactly the same topic, but a correlation seems to exist: people outside of America are less motivated to come into America.
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charmander6000 posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

You're also ignoring the societal and economic forces in play.

America is less welcoming, no longer seen as a shining city on a hill, and though i can't speak to the strength Mexican economy, there are likely forces in play there.

Mexico is an emerging economy and is seen as following in the footsteps of China/India/Brazil (though due to their population they won't be a major powerhouse) given the cultural similarities it isn't shocking that Central Americans are beginning to stay there.

Then there we go. Incentives to stay and disincentives to leave (more regarding SZero's post than anything from the government) results in fewer people leaving. Crazy!
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HaRRicH posted...

This was from April:

https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/854983136836333568

Int'l tourism to the US crashing. 107,000 lost jobs: nearly twice as many as the *entire* US coal industry employs. http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/19/news/us-visa-waiver-program-europe-tourism/index.html?sr=twCNN042017us-visa-waiver-program-europe-tourism0306AMStoryLink&linkId=36685904 ?

*PICTURE OF EXCERPT*


Tourism and people crossing the border aren't exactly the same topic, but a correlation seems to exist: people outside of America are less motivated to come into America.

I mean there are travel ban factors at play here. Even people not actually restricted by them are going to be more deterred by that than there would be for crossing the border.

Or in other words, yeah, I'll blame Trump for being an embarrassment more there than for illegal immigration.
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kevwaffles posted...

Yeah, as much as I won't attribute Trump doing anything directly to decrease illegal immigration, the idea that him embarrassing us is the deciding factor in people coming over here sounds equally bullshit. Char's explanation makes way more sense.

i'd attribute it to a mix of all of that.
well, no direct action by him, he hasn't actually done any. but the rhetoric and attitude displayed as an idea of "so these are the people I'm going to?" mixed with the ability to make some, but not as much money, in a country speaking the language you already do? yeah, that's mattered. certain things make mexico more likable, Trump is the reason things are not as likable in the US.
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I thought Mexico had incredibly regressive immigration laws and an unfriendly attitude toward migrants/foreign workers. My gf is from Guatemala and tells me that Mexico is significantly less welcoming to Guatemalans and Hondurans than the US is toward Mexicans. Maybe that's started to change recently though, I dunno.
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it'll probably depend where you're at. any major city shouldn't care, most attitudes will basically be "south of the border is all the same" anyway.
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LapisLazuli posted...

America is pretty much a laughing stock right now. There is no greater deterent to illegal immagration that Trump's wrinkly orange face.

Ta for taking some of the heat off us mate.

Love,
The UK

CaptainOfCrush posted...

I thought Mexico had incredibly regressive immigration laws and an unfriendly attitude toward migrants/foreign workers. My gf is from Guatemala and tells me that Mexico is significantly less welcoming to Guatemalans and Hondurans than the US is toward Mexicans. Maybe that's started to change recently though, I dunno.

Now I can't speak to Mexico specifically but perception is everything. Australia is a great example - tough immigration laws, not very welcoming, still has high immigration because it's a desirable place to live. That's really what it comes down to.
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Whoooo John's back.

And hey, he's starting with a show stopper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyGq6cjcc3Q
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Holy shit, Trump hit 39% on Rasmussen:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jul31
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

I thought Mexico had incredibly regressive immigration laws and an unfriendly attitude toward migrants/foreign workers. My gf is from Guatemala and tells me that Mexico is significantly less welcoming to Guatemalans and Hondurans than the US is toward Mexicans. Maybe that's started to change recently though, I dunno.

You are correct, Mexico isn't very welcoming, but that doesn't change that it is increasingly becoming a better place to immigrate to.

Of course if the US decides to tank the Mexican economy with tariffs we could see more of those people immigrating to the US again.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Holy shit, Trump hit 39% on Rasmussen:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_jul31

Wait, so...isn't that it? #1 lowest?
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Him becoming #1 was inevitable. Still fascinating though! Only took him six months.....
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I don't know if that means #1 all time, I just know it's lower than Obama ever hit by 2%.
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fuck the Casual Revolution of 2007
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fuck the Casual Revolution of 2007 so much
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