Board 8 > Game of Thrones Season 7 - Send a raven North... (SPOILER)

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Surely there were other Lannisters in Jaime's army. Just not ones who count.

And at Casterly Rock since Dany probably wouldn't order the slaughter of unarmed women and children.
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RyoCaliente posted...

It's really noticeable how many of the great houses have been wiped out:

Martell: 0 remaining
Baratheon: 0 remaining (unless Gendry and/or other bastards get legitimized)
Tyrell: 0 remaining
Tully: 1 remaining
Targaryen: 1 (2) remaining
Greyjoy: 3 (4 if you want to say the priest is Damphair, although I doubt it)
Lannister: 3 remaining
Stark: 3 (4) remaining

And the only male Starks and Greyjoys (since Euron will probably die soon) are both incapable of carrying on the family line
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mnkboy907 posted...

Surely there were other Lannisters in Jaime's army. Just not ones who count.

And at Casterly Rock since Dany probably wouldn't order the slaughter of unarmed women and children.

Kevan's wife is still alive.
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If you go down to the next tier of powerful Houses, Frey are wiped out too. Though it's hard to believe that every Frey was at the party, I assume for the sake of the show, they are gone.
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Man, Euron rules
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Arya only killed Frey men. Any young boys would still be around.
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No mention of the Arryns? Kind of funny but I guess that shows how unliked/forgettable they were for a Great House. But they're technically doing just fine with the kid safe even though Littlefinger runs The Vale.
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Anyone else annoyed as hell that we're getting Euron Greyjoy so late? He was mentioned and in the books plenty, Kingsmoot a huge deal but the show didn't give a fuck about him til last season. He wasn't even mentioned in the show beyond 'your uncles sacked the riverlands' in one episode and that's it.

I think the showrunners really fucked up by focusing on Dorne instead of the Iron Islands, trying to cash in on the Oberyn Martell fandom. George RR Martin had to have sat them down and said 'hey dumbasses the Greyjoys are a big deal to the end game' or something. It's similar to their handling of the children of the forest. They're hardly mentioned, appear in one episode, then it's revealed they created the White Walkers. Ridiculous oversight to not spend more time on the mythology.

It'd be interesting to hear what goes on behind the scenes.
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OliviaTremor posted...

Anyone else annoyed as hell that we're getting Euron Greyjoy so late?

That's where all his problems stem from

I imagine they kept going back and forth on introducing him cuz they didn't want to introduce the dragon horn, and then finally decided to just bring him in without the horn
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Ironically, I think their solution is a lot less believable than a magic dragon horn. Now Cersei's secret anti-Dragon weapon is....a big-ass ballista?

How the hell has no one ever thought to build a big-ass ballista?
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I still think that's a self-aware trolling of the audience

I can't decide if it would be funnier for the ballistas to just get destroyed instantly, or to actually kill all the dragons
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Didn't Dorne in the books kill a dragon with a big ballista in the backstory for the Targs conquering Westeros?
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I think there's no better way of fully illustrating why I love Jon Snow and can't stand Daenarys than the whole Missandei/Davos announcing them bit.

Missandei goes off on Dany's list of "accomplishments" which are all basically deus ex dragonfire or things she had others do for her.

Davos does a pretty bleh job of announcing Jon Snow and doesn't even bring up his ACTUAL accomplishments until he gets pissed off about Dany not taking him seriously.

That scene was so well done.

".....this is Jon Snow."

funny as hell.
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OliviaTremor posted...

Anyone else annoyed as hell that we're getting Euron Greyjoy so late? He was mentioned and in the books plenty, Kingsmoot a huge deal but the show didn't give a fuck about him til last season. He wasn't even mentioned in the show beyond 'your uncles sacked the riverlands' in one episode and that's it.

I think the showrunners really fucked up by focusing on Dorne instead of the Iron Islands, trying to cash in on the Oberyn Martell fandom. George RR Martin had to have sat them down and said 'hey dumbasses the Greyjoys are a big deal to the end game' or something. It's similar to their handling of the children of the forest. They're hardly mentioned, appear in one episode, then it's revealed they created the White Walkers. Ridiculous oversight to not spend more time on the mythology.

It'd be interesting to hear what goes on behind the scenes.

You're absolutely right that the Iron Islands should have been in, instead of Dorne. But those are the sins of S4-5.

IIRC, one of the reasons we went to Dorne was not just because of Oberyn, but because of Ellaria's actress. Indira Varma apparently really impressed B&W. So... yeah.

Though personally, my inner book fan is kind of annoyed with the fact that he's referred to as 'Euron Greyjoy' instead of 'Euron Crow's Eye'...
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I assume the ballista will kill one of the dragons (probably Drogon because he's the only one that really matters) and then the Night King will raise him to the Army of the Dead.
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The Ballista is going to bounce straight off, Iron Man 2 style. It'll be the moment Cersei and Qyburn go from being crazy smug to "Oh shit". There will be gifs.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

I think there's no better way of fully illustrating why I love Jon Snow and can't stand Daenarys than the whole Missandei/Davos announcing them bit.

Missandei goes off on Dany's list of "accomplishments" which are all basically deus ex dragonfire or things she had others do for her.

Davos does a pretty bleh job of announcing Jon Snow and doesn't even bring up his ACTUAL accomplishments until he gets pissed off about Dany not taking him seriously.

That scene was so well done.

".....this is Jon Snow."

funny as hell.

I didn't take it as something that demonstrated my enjoyment of either character but I thought it was a great way of contrasting both characters - Daenerys' royal entitlement and ego vs. John's humble nature.
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This is a show where each main character shows a bow like Katniss/Legolas. Just look at Arya in 1x01, or Grey Worm even in the most recent episode. The ballista is definitely hitting.
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XIII_rocks posted...

I didn't take it as something that demonstrated my enjoyment of either character but I thought it was a great way of contrasting both characters - Daenerys' royal entitlement and ego vs. John's humble nature.

One thing I like about that is that Davos winds up expounding on everything Jon's done anyway - but not by way of introduction.
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XIII_rocks posted...

I didn't take it as something that demonstrated my enjoyment of either character but I thought it was a great way of contrasting both characters - Daenerys' royal entitlement and ego vs. John's humble nature.

Well yeah no, that was an extremely personal reaction I had because of how it showed Dany's entitlement vs. Jon's humility.

I also fucking loved how Dany was talking about the Stark's sworn oath to the Targaryen crown and Jon was like "LMAO OATHS UR FATHER BURNED MY GRANDFATHER ALIVE FUCK OFF"
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The Ballista isn't a bow. Doesn't require as much skill to use.

I really hope it just bounces straight off though. Man I would just laugh so hard.
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I'm rooting for the ballista to kill at least one dragon
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SeabassDebeste posted...

One thing I like about that is that Davos winds up expounding on everything Jon's done anyway - but not by way of introduction.

EXACTLY. It was only after they pushed Davos by acting like Jon had done nothing and was nobody that he was like "listen here you smug ****s, this is THE KING IN THE NORTH and here's why."

It was so perfectly done.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

I didn't take it as something that demonstrated my enjoyment of either character but I thought it was a great way of contrasting both characters - Daenerys' royal entitlement and ego vs. John's humble nature.

One thing I like about that is that Davos winds up expounding on everything Jon's done anyway - but not by way of introduction.

Yeah, not until it was actually necessary. It was an interesting scene and great contrast. The scene later where Jon says he doesn't like what he's good at is also great. It's a good contrast between Jon and, say, Daario. I can see why she'll find Jon more interesting than the other men she's encountered.
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If they're smart they'll make several ballistae because that's not going to work more than once. I think they'll take down one dragon.
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I hope Euron catapults himself into the sky with a spear and takes one of the Dragons out himself.
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The Ballista was so unspectacular when they introduced it and I'm hoping that was on purpose to show they're underestimating just how tough they are to kill
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There will definitely be a wall of ballistas, and probably on the ships too.

But yeah I'm putting money on the arrows just bouncing off. It's fucking dragon scales. Best case is they get one in the eye and then he becomes a pirate dragon.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

I hope Euron catapults himself into the sky with a spear and takes one of the Dragons out himself.

Can totally imagine that and it would be phenomenal
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I'm picturing Matthew McConaughey at the end of Reign of Fire only... successful
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guys do you think the trailer shot of jaime charging with the lance is gonna result in him killing a dragon

lol
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XIII_rocks posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

I hope Euron catapults himself into the sky with a spear and takes one of the Dragons out himself.

Can totally imagine that and it would be phenomenal

Nah it would be even better if he goes for it and the dragon's head turns towards him and Euron's face slowly contorts in horror and he gets fuckin WRECKED
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i like the euron fanfic but let's be real

he'd be launching himself using a plank, not his spear
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

I hope Euron catapults himself into the sky with a spear and takes one of the Dragons out himself.

Can totally imagine that and it would be phenomenal

Nah it would be even better if he goes for it and the dragon's head turns towards him and Euron's face slowly contorts in horror and he gets fuckin WRECKED

So Matthew McConaughey at the end of Reign of Fire only...unsuccessful
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I think Jaime will be jousting Dothraki, not a dragon. I'm hoping this will be the "Oh, Dothraki were only good in Essos because they could ride around fast and cut down people without armor. These guys actually have armor and are very experienced at horse vs horse combat" moment, but at this point I hesitate to give the show this much credit.
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oh, that's a really good point, will be pretty pleased if that happens!

MariaTaylor posted...

but at this point I hesitate to give the show this much credit.

yeah. <_<
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what I think we're more likely to see is OH MY GOD THE DOTHRAKI CAN DO FLIPS ON HORSES THIS IS SO UNEXPECTED WE LOSE, and then a dragon comes in and nukes everyone but the main characters (Jaime, maybe someone else) survive because they're the only ones not made of paper.
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In fairness, the Dothraki should be a very fearsome force against Westerosi knights. The bloodthirsty King Robert even says he'd be a fool to meet them in open battle.
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jeez, for a moment there I actually got angry irl at how they glossed over two battles that should have been on the scale of the battle of the bastards and at the very least would have been worth a third of an episode each

but then I just laughed at how desperately the show wants to get this shit over with when they only have so much of gurm's outline to rely on
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Does anyone really want to see a Battle of the Bastards scaled siege featuring Grey Worm and Grey Worm only?
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i was disappointed with the lack of visuals at first, but as JZ noted, a protracted battle with one named character is not going to be good.

also, skipping battles isn't a writing issue. as a show-only at the time, i never once felt like i missed out from not seeing whispering wood/green fork in S1.

this made me look back, since i know JZ and i discussed this earlier in the topic, and i realized i didn't respond to maria's long reaction, which is always fun. i don't have time to format an entire response yet, so here's just the response to the first scene or so

MariaTaylor posted...

when she kept talking about how made up shit can't be real
HEY
AREN'T YOU THE ONE WHO HATCHED FUCKING DRAGONS
THAT ARE NOT REAL
why didn't anyone literally ANYONE bring this up

in fairness there is a VERY literal fossil record of dragons. but... yeah.

but for the first time maybe in the history of the show we're not supposed to just stand up and applaud for her
which felt nice

great point!

I didn't think her and jon had good chemistry which was great
some people are saying they did have chemistry
others are complaining that they didn't
also just for the tone of what was needed in these scenes it wouldn't make any sense for them to have chemistry but then still act like assholes toward each other

i don't think having chemistry precludes disagreeing at all! the hound and arya had chemistry, and they were at each other's throats. but even more pertinently, tywin and the queen of thorns had chemistry with each other.
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There is a 100% chance of at least one dragon death.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

i don't think having chemistry precludes disagreeing at all! the hound and arya had chemistry, and they were at each other's throats. but even more pertinently, tywin and the queen of thorns had chemistry with each other.

this is true. I think I misunderstood, when people were talking about chemistry I specifically thought they meant romantic chemistry.
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I want the dragons to find a dragon wife and have a dragon family on a big mountain away from all this violence
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there is a big Mountain but if you go on it then you choose violence
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Trial by combat: Mountain vs Hound vs Drogon
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MariaTaylor posted...

I think Jaime will be jousting Dothraki, not a dragon. I'm hoping this will be the "Oh, Dothraki were only good in Essos because they could ride around fast and cut down people without armor. These guys actually have armor and are very experienced at horse vs horse combat" moment, but at this point I hesitate to give the show this much credit.

Didn't they already do this in season 1 when Jorah wrecked the Dothraki dude because his weapon had no effect on his armor?
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JetJaguar posted...

Didn't they already do this in season 1 when Jorah wrecked the Dothraki dude because his weapon had no effect on his armor?

yeah that was in season 1 when things made sense
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Jorah S1 was a superhero though. That's why they needed to give him a kryptonite in his obsession with a 14 year old girl.
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I don't think they're going to maintain the "people with armor easily defeat the Dothraki" thing. I think the Dothraki will be portrayed as super dangerous and the equals of Westerosi knights and soldiers.
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