Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 113: Looking At A Kush-y Jail Cell

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Notably a 227% increase in Mitch's home state of Kentucky, the second worst of all states
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Here are the NAFTA Objectives the US will argue for

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/Press/Releases/NAFTAObjectives.pdf
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charmander6000 posted...

Here are the NAFTA Objectives the US will argue for

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/Press/Releases/NAFTAObjectives.pdf

Can't get the site to load on my phone; is there a tl;dr?
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https://twitter.com/brhodes/status/886974395096477696
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/886749680494944256

This is a story that merits more attention. Huge moral and strategic consequences without an explanation from WH about why this is happening https://t.co/kWiS4v4ih3

Wow. Trump?s campaign against ISIS has resulted in almost as many civilian deaths as Obama had in his entire adm https://t.co/PATP79vc7m

Not sure what military successes we have to justify this so far. Six months is probably too small a period to argue broadly about the effectiveness of the military goals, and innocent people are sadly going to die in war no matter what...but since more innocent people are dying, I don't know what we have to show for it yet. Is this what our military budget keeps going up for?

We also had that military raid that went bad early in Donald's first weeks. Not sure where Donald has earned trust so far as Commander In Chief.
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News sites haven't reported much outside of "it was just released"

After a quick skim through it is mostly filled with vague statements. They also want to bring labor and the environment into the main part of the agreement and they want NAFTA to actually enforce its laws.
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remember that nra ad? There's a part 2

https://twitter.com/AlexHortonTX/status/887039968505450496

Well, @stinchfield1776 called this a "stern warning" to the Washington Post and me. Warning of what? https://t.co/Ctv5LPX78q

“Your paper’s new slogan may read Democracy Dies in Darkness. It should say Journalism Dies at the @washingtonpost” @stinchfield1776. #NRA https://t.co/BmolBOQuX7

You can't convince me that the NRA aren't domestic terrorists now.
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If the NRA isn't a terrorist org they're putting together a really excellent application to be one

I can't watch the video yet, but "Journalism Dies at the Washington Post" is a sneaky way to say two things at once. Disappointing to see this after the CNN-gif and bodyslammed reporter.
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HaRRicH posted...

Wow. Trump?s campaign against ISIS has resulted in almost as many civilian deaths as Obama had in his entire adm https://t.co/PATP79vc7m

Wait. I thought Hillary was the warmonger, and Trump was the peaceful candidate. DID SOMEBODY LIE TO ME?!
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ISIS is on its last legs, having been more or less kicked out of Iraq, so that campaign has been a success lately. Although, probably more due to Russia and Iran stepping up the pressure than the US.
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HaRRicH posted...

https://twitter.com/brhodes/status/886974395096477696
https://twitter.com/samstein/status/886749680494944256

This is a story that merits more attention. Huge moral and strategic consequences without an explanation from WH about why this is happening https://t.co/kWiS4v4ih3

Wow. Trump?s campaign against ISIS has resulted in almost as many civilian deaths as Obama had in his entire adm https://t.co/PATP79vc7m

Not sure what military successes we have to justify this so far. Six months is probably too small a period to argue broadly about the effectiveness of the military goals, and innocent people are sadly going to die in war no matter what...but since more innocent people are dying, I don't know what we have to show for it yet. Is this what our military budget keeps going up for?

We also had that military raid that went bad early in Donald's first weeks. Not sure where Donald has earned trust so far as Commander In Chief.

I wonder if this is from the final push for Mosul or if something else is the cause of the uptick.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Notably a 227% increase in Mitch's home state of Kentucky, the second worst of all states

Theres a reason the junior senator from kentucky is voting against.

It just might not be the reason he says it is
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/17/politics/diana-orrock-john-mccain/index.html

Will people please stop wishing for politicians to die?

This is right-on-right even!
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Jakyl25 posted...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/17/politics/diana-orrock-john-mccain/index.html

Will people please stop wishing for politicians to die?

This shit aga-

Jakyl25 posted...

This is right-on-right even!

Wait what.
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Diana Orrock, the Republican national committeewoman for Nevada, shared an article on Monday calling for the death of Sen. John McCain for his hawkish foreign policy views



When asked, Orrock said she was "not a big fan" of his foreign policy views.
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"not a big fan"
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The Secret Service is pushing back on President Donald Trump's attorney's remarks Sunday that there was nothing questionable going on at a meeting last summer between Trump's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., a Russian lawyer and top members of Trump's campaign.

"Well, I wonder why the Secret Service, if this was nefarious, why the Secret Service allowed these people in," Jay Sekulow said on ABC's "This Week." "The President had Secret Service protection at that point, and that raised a question with me."
After Sekulow's comments aired, the Secret Service responded that it wouldn't have checked out the participants of the meeting because Trump's eldest son wasn't in their charge.
"Donald Trump Jr. was not a protectee of the USSS in June, 2016," the agency told CNN in a statement. "Thus we would not have screened anyone he was meeting with at that time."

Man, the excuses, like dominoes, just keep falling like a house of cards. Checkmate.
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StealThisSheen posted...

The Secret Service is pushing back on President Donald Trump's attorney's remarks Sunday that there was nothing questionable going on at a meeting last summer between Trump's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., a Russian lawyer and top members of Trump's campaign.

"Well, I wonder why the Secret Service, if this was nefarious, why the Secret Service allowed these people in," Jay Sekulow said on ABC's "This Week." "The President had Secret Service protection at that point, and that raised a question with me."
After Sekulow's comments aired, the Secret Service responded that it wouldn't have checked out the participants of the meeting because Trump's eldest son wasn't in their charge.
"Donald Trump Jr. was not a protectee of the USSS in June, 2016," the agency told CNN in a statement. "Thus we would not have screened anyone he was meeting with at that time."

Man, the excuses, like dominoes, just keep falling like a house of cards. Checkmate.

the secret service really hit the bullseye there
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Eddv posted...

Diana Orrock, the Republican national committeewoman for Nevada, shared an article on Monday calling for the death of Sen. John McCain for his hawkish foreign policy views



When asked, Orrock said she was "not a big fan" of his foreign policy views.

I like the part where it says

However, she denied actually wanting McCain to die and claimed she was agreeing with the "sentiments" of the article.

An article, I remind you, called "Just Fucking Die Already."
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LordoftheMorons posted...

charmander6000 posted...

Here are the NAFTA Objectives the US will argue for

https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/Press/Releases/NAFTAObjectives.pdf

Can't get the site to load on my phone; is there a tl;dr?

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/u-s-releases-nafta-objectives/

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration has released its goals for a new North American Free Trade Agreement: it’s a list of broad themes, with some hints of irritants ahead.

The U.S. says it wants better access for its exports of agriculture — including dairy products, wine and grain. It also wants freer trade in telecommunications, and online purchases; new rules on currency manipulation; and an overhaul of the dispute-settlement system.

“President Trump continues to fulfill his promise to renegotiate NAFTA to get a much better deal for all Americans,” U.S. trade czar Robert Lighthizer said in a statement.

“Too many Americans have been hurt by closed factories, exported jobs, and broken political promises. Under President Trump’s leadership, (our office) will negotiate a fair deal… President Trump is reclaiming American prosperity and making our country great again.”

The demand on online purchases could pit Canadian consumers versus bricks-and-mortar retailers: the U.S. wants to increase, by 40 times, the amount Canadians can shop online without paying an import tax.

Canada has one of the least permissive duty systems in the world and will be urged to increase its duty-free limit to $800 from the current $20, according to the document released Monday by the U.S. trade czar.

The 16-page list contains some elements that might appear contradictory or confusing.

It says the U.S. will demand more opportunities for American suppliers for government procurement abroad, but at the same time insist on preserving Buy American rules that limit opportunities to foreigners.

It also calls for the elimination of the dispute-settlement system that has ruled in favour of Canada on softwood lumber. But it’s unclear how it would want to replace Chapter 19 — which was a make-or-break issue for Canada in original trade talks.

Canadian negotiators walked away from the table over that dispute-settlement issue, and later, on the final evening of the negotiations, then-prime minister Brian Mulroney informed the U.S. there would be no deal unless it agreed to an international arbitration system.

Monday’s release came as no surprise to the Canadian government.

The Prime Minister’s Office was in touch with the White House — sources say it was given a heads-up in advance of the release. Canada’s Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said she was prepared to start negotiating.

“We welcome the opportunity to modernize NAFTA to reflect new realities — and to integrate progressive, free, and fair approaches to trade and investment,” she said in a statement.

“When negotiations begin, we will be ready to work with our partners to modernize NAFTA, while defending Canada’s national interest and standing up for our values. Canada is the top customer of the United States. Canada buys more goods from the U.S. than China, Japan, and the United Kingdom combined.”

NAFTA talks are expected to begin on or around Aug. 16.

The Canadian government will not produce a similar public list. It’s not a requirement under Canadian law, as it is in the U.S.

Now U.S. lawmakers will have a say. They must be consulted throughout the negotiating process, and will ultimately have to vote on any deal.

Tuesday could provide an early test of the mood on Capitol Hill, when the House of Representatives holds a hearing on NAFTA.
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Thanks
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https://twitter.com/bilalfarooqui/status/887025375754166272

Automation is the future
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/bilalfarooqui/status/887025375754166272

Automation is the future

Suicide is the future
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/887007673761361921

Hey, Minneapolis police can shoot innocent white people too.
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ProkhorZakharov posted...

the secret service really hit the bullseye there

I'm sure they might hesitate when it comes to stopping a bullet for someone who throws them under the bus.
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https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/887042589622403073

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go jump off a bridge.
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StealThisSheen, what's the link please to that Secret Service article?
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Not_an_Owl posted...

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/887042589622403073

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go jump off a bridge.

Hey for being just Trump voters, that's fairly high!
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So we've reached the point where the Trump posse can say "yeah we did this, so what?" and a smidge less than half their fanbase will still go "they never did that!"
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I like the reasoning in one of the responses that Trump Jr isn't credible, so why should we believe him when he says he met with Russians?
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/887007673761361921

Hey, Minneapolis police can shoot innocent white people too.

How long until they dig up her past and imply she deserved to die because she smoked pot at some point or something?

But yeah shit like this is why something needs to be done about these officers who think themselves above the law.
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So I think I mentioned this before, but apparently one of the things McConnell is saying to the moderates is that the Medicare cuts are all so far into the future that they'll probably never take effect because surely Congress would later vote to undo such terrible cuts that he for some reason has put into the bill.

Apparently Ron Johnson heard about these comments and is pretty pissed about it, and is now saying that he's not sure he's going to vote for the motion to proceed.
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Yay deficit spending!
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Jakyl25 posted...

I like the reasoning in one of the responses that Trump Jr isn't credible, so why should we believe him when he says he met with Russians?

Ok, that one has to be a joke.
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It is, I just thought it was a good twist
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LordoftheMorons posted...

So I think I mentioned this before, but apparently one of the things McConnell is saying to the moderates is that the Medicare cuts are all so far into the future that they'll probably never take effect because surely Congress would later vote to undo such terrible cuts that he for some reason has put into the bill.

Apparently Ron Johnson heard about these comments and is pretty pissed about it, and is now saying that he's not sure he's going to vote for the motion to proceed.

I think I need to ask - what EXACTLY does McConnell actually want out of this bill.

Because from all accounts he seems just hellbound to pass literally anything so long as it can be done via budget reconciliation
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Eddv posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

So I think I mentioned this before, but apparently one of the things McConnell is saying to the moderates is that the Medicare cuts are all so far into the future that they'll probably never take effect because surely Congress would later vote to undo such terrible cuts that he for some reason has put into the bill.

Apparently Ron Johnson heard about these comments and is pretty pissed about it, and is now saying that he's not sure he's going to vote for the motion to proceed.

I think I need to ask - what EXACTLY does McConnell actually want out of this bill.

Because from all accounts he seems just hellbound to pass literally anything so long as it can be done via budget reconciliation

He wants to be able to say he repealed and replaced Obamacare. That's all.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

So I think I mentioned this before, but apparently one of the things McConnell is saying to the moderates is that the Medicare cuts are all so far into the future that they'll probably never take effect because surely Congress would later vote to undo such terrible cuts that he for some reason has put into the bill.

Apparently Ron Johnson heard about these comments and is pretty pissed about it, and is now saying that he's not sure he's going to vote for the motion to proceed.

Later, it can be used as a bargaining chip with Democrats. Cut taxes on the rich/defund Planned Parenthood/etc or else we won't lift the cuts. Although, given that Republicans have to votes to do whatever they want right now, I'm not sure that they need to put poison pills in legislation to get what they want anymore.
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HaRRicH posted...

StealThisSheen, what's the link please to that Secret Service article?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/16/politics/donald-trump-jr-jay-sekulow-secret-service/index.html
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FFDragon posted...

So we've reached the point where the Trump posse can say "yeah we did this, so what?" and a smidge less than half their fanbase will still go "they never did that!"

Read that again, 45% think Trump Jr DID meet with Russians
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Yeah, so a smidge MORE than half their fanbase still go "they never did that!"

It's even worse than you think!
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oh jeez, my mind wanted to give them benefit of the doubt apparently

that's a yikes
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One day Trump is going to say he built the wall, and 55% of his supporters (or more possibly) will say that it was built. And they'll say it's Transparent like he wanted when people say "Pics Nao"
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StealThisSheen posted...

Man, the excuses, like dominoes, just keep falling like a house of cards. Checkmate.

The ultimate twist would be if that accidentally confirmed that Trump himself was there.
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https://twitter.com/kristinapet/status/887107662407663616

These weren't the defections I was expecting, but I guess I'll take them!
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http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/342447-two-more-gop-senators-defect-on-healthcare-bill


So back to the drawing board or move on to other legislation?
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xp1337 posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Man, the excuses, like dominoes, just keep falling like a house of cards. Checkmate.

The ultimate twist would be if that accidentally confirmed that Trump himself was there.

I think it's decently likely
Remember that he doesn't use email so it wouldn't be weird for him not to get the forwards like Jared and Manafort
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Also, as always, fuck Trump:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/trump-administration-weighs-returning-diplomatic-compounds-russia/story?id=48679702
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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/kristinapet/status/887107662407663616

These weren't the defections I was expecting, but I guess I'll take them!

Lee and Moran?

Next it'll be like Toomey and Burr
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Eventually McConnell will be the only Republican senator supporting it, and then he'll cry about Democratic Obstructionism because he lives in an alternate reality where Obama appointed Sri Srinivasan, and got all of his agenda passed through congress.
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