Board 8 > Mercenaries Draft Week 10 Wartime: Falling Into Infinity

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KanzarisKelshen
07/12/17 9:47:02 PM
#151:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
When does my ability phase end now?


You've got about a little more than 10 hours.
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DeathChicken
07/12/17 9:50:14 PM
#152:


The most logical thing to me at this point would be to just call the whole damn thing a no-contest since someone or another is getting screwed here for reasons they probably shouldn't have (granted this is more me, but this is where *I* would go with it if I were an admin regardless). But Mercs gonna Mercs, I...really don't care. Going to sleep, night yall
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DoomTheGyarados
07/12/17 9:52:05 PM
#153:


my girl jedi randomly stabs someone
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Johnbobb
07/12/17 9:52:26 PM
#154:


so uh

tomorrow I'm gonna be home for all of like one hour
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KanzarisKelshen
07/12/17 9:52:28 PM
#155:


DeathChicken posted...
The most logical thing to me at this point would be to just call the whole damn thing a no-contest since someone or another is getting screwed here for reasons they probably shouldn't have (granted this is more me, but this is where *I* would go with it if I were an admin regardless). But Mercs gonna Mercs, I...really don't care. Going to sleep, night yall


My opinion is the same as yours tbqh

I just think it's infeasible cause lie, what can we even DO if we go for that
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FFDragon
07/12/17 9:53:08 PM
#156:


TRlPLE THREAT NEXT ROUND
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JeezyMiyagi
07/12/17 9:55:50 PM
#157:


pick a winner to move onto the finals via an incorruptible third party

is l00ster back online?
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FFDragon
07/12/17 9:56:54 PM
#158:


I will now mix all of the best ideas.

Timeline 1 - Triple Threat
Timeline 2 - DC moves on
Timeline 3 - Tiro moves on
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Drakeryn
07/12/17 10:03:23 PM
#159:


Timeline 4 - DC and Tiro are both KOed, but none of the timelines or Mix go on recharge
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Lopen
07/12/17 10:05:42 PM
#160:


KOS-MOS calculated a 99.998% chance Timeline 4 would not occur.
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JeezyMiyagi
07/12/17 10:05:46 PM
#161:


right and now that we've clarified the 4 timelines, roll a 1d4 to determine which one to go with
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KanzarisKelshen
07/12/17 10:07:09 PM
#162:


WE HAVE COME TO TERMS. OFFICIALLY.

We are letting the Lightning ruling stand, but rolling back Tirofog's ability phase, as he was fed misleading information. He may redo it as he wishes. My apologies for this inconvenience, everyone. This is, entirely, my fault.

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Tom Bombadil
07/12/17 10:07:56 PM
#163:


which timeline has the unfreeze happen when john won't be around to do his abils
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KanzarisKelshen
07/12/17 10:09:57 PM
#164:


Ellie is exsanguinated.
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KanzarisKelshen
07/12/17 10:10:56 PM
#165:


@Johnbobb

Match unfrozen. Postrosters possessions will take mercenaries off the roster regardless of them being possessed by their own team.
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Drakeryn
07/12/17 10:14:10 PM
#166:


wait what?

maybe I'm misunderstanding, but if you possess your own merc, they've always been your merc, so shouldn't they just stay put?
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Lopen
07/12/17 10:15:07 PM
#167:


I concur Drak. I think someone short circuited Kanzaris.
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KanzarisKelshen
07/12/17 10:16:02 PM
#168:


Drakeryn posted...
wait what?

maybe I'm misunderstanding, but if you possess your own merc, they've always been your merc, so shouldn't they just stay put?


No. Removals explicitly, well, remove a merc from their team. The analogy for possessions is this: You have a deck and draw a card, then you put the card back in the deck. Did the card leave the deck at some point? The answer's yes, and that interruption in continuity for an instant is all that matters for taking a merc off the roster, post-rosters.
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MajinZidane
07/12/17 10:16:15 PM
#169:


Drakeryn posted...
wait what?

maybe I'm misunderstanding, but if you possess your own merc, they've always been your merc, so shouldn't they just stay put?


uh
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Eddv
07/12/17 10:16:56 PM
#170:


Drakeryn posted...
wait what?

maybe I'm misunderstanding, but if you possess your own merc, they've always been your merc, so shouldn't they just stay put?


And yet...
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Lopen
07/12/17 10:18:18 PM
#171:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
No. Removals explicitly, well, remove a merc from their team


Well, I mean, you can't really argue that

Unless you're claiming a pre-battle possession of your merc from your own team would remove him from your team.
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KanzarisKelshen
07/12/17 10:21:04 PM
#172:


Lopen posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
No. Removals explicitly, well, remove a merc from their team


Well, I mean, you can't really argue that

Unless you're claiming a pre-battle possession of your merc from your own team would remove him from your team.


For a moment yes. It mostly doesn't matter if done prebattle except that it bans you from using nondaily abilities, but it matters postrosters cause it disqualifies you from being rostered.
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Tom Bombadil
07/12/17 10:21:35 PM
#173:


that was how he was leaning when it came up as a possibility for yogg possessing my guys
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Lopen
07/12/17 10:24:39 PM
#174:


Personally my take is this.

You see the sent in rosters
You resolve the post rosters effects
You fix the roster as needed, removing invalid roster choices.

Fairly certain M4 precedent was to this end too, in that you could declare a merc who was not on your team at roster time as part of your roster, running under the assumption that a possession effect was going to occur post rosters would take them to your side, with the possessed merc being considered an invalid roster choice with no replacement if the possession didn't resolve or hit who you expected for whatever reason.

I don't recall who asked this about what hypothetical merc situation would cause this, but I feel like it may even have come up.
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Tom Bombadil
07/12/17 10:25:20 PM
#175:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
The analogy for possessions is this: You have a deck and draw a card, then you put the card back in the deck.


"move a card from the top of your deck to the top of your deck" would be a closer analogy

anyway I don't even see a way I can possess myself here unless I'm missing something so I don't know why that's an argument we're having here
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Tom Bombadil
07/12/17 10:25:51 PM
#176:


oh it would technically be celes/harth possessing my guy I guess got it

it's still a pretty dumb ruling
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FFDragon
07/12/17 10:30:56 PM
#177:


hahahahaha this day
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trdl23
07/12/17 10:31:45 PM
#178:


I frankly don't like this ruling either because it's completely counter-intuitive and has terrible flavor, but the letter of the law with "removal" kinda forces this through.
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Tom Bombadil
07/12/17 10:32:24 PM
#179:


what removal
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Johnbobb
07/12/17 10:32:49 PM
#180:


There's always a lighthouse. There's always a king. There's always a throne.
Arthas sees into the infinite.

Kirbopolis brings Ice, Sword and Parasol forms because fuck it why not.

Done, assuming nothing else with the ruling changes

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FFDragon
07/12/17 10:33:28 PM
#181:


does this have something to do with yogg

because yogg ended when he stocked the card

when yogg stocks a card for you in HS, the new card acts like every other normal card, it doesn't retain yogg randomness
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KanzarisKelshen
07/12/17 10:35:00 PM
#182:


FFDragon posted...
does this have something to do with yogg

because yogg ended when he stocked the card

when yogg stocks a card for you in HS, the new card acts like every other normal card, it doesn't retain yogg randomness


Nothing, Mind Control Tech is just written like ass.
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FFDragon
07/12/17 10:35:55 PM
#183:


oh okay

well if it matters, MCT in HS can only take a random enemy minion
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Tom Bombadil
07/12/17 10:36:12 PM
#184:


this time it isn't harth's fault though

it's cats'
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Johnbobb
07/12/17 10:36:51 PM
#185:


Tom Bombadil posted...
this time it isn't harth's fault though

it's cats'

it's kind of both

CATS + Harth together forever
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Tom Bombadil
07/12/17 10:37:24 PM
#186:


it'd be fine if it was pre-battle like usual

yogg was the same issue: possession is weird post-rosters and kanz wants it to be weirder because card games
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FFDragon
07/12/17 10:38:27 PM
#187:


oh double okay

I didn't read up on THIS one
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FFDragon
07/12/17 10:41:43 PM
#188:


though now that I read MCT it doesn't even specify your opponent

technically it looks like you could take a merc from any team
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Tom Bombadil
07/12/17 10:42:58 PM
#189:


yessss let's retcon some other match
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Tom Bombadil
07/12/17 10:43:28 PM
#190:


wait I don't think I can with cats though
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Tom Bombadil
07/12/17 10:44:09 PM
#191:


yogg could've let's roll back to the yogg party
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trdl23
07/12/17 10:51:53 PM
#192:


FFDragon posted...
though now that I read MCT it doesn't even specify your opponent

technically it looks like you could take a merc from any team

That's what is fucking everything up here, yeah.
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Tom Bombadil
07/12/17 10:52:59 PM
#193:


so

rollback to yoggfest?
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KanzarisKelshen
07/12/17 10:54:17 PM
#194:


Mega Man and Zero vs. Akuma and Arthas.

Terrains: Final Weapons Space Station (MAX) vs. Frozen Throne (TOM MAX -2 GP, or 25 + 3 GP). Match takes place on Frozen Throne.

Because Johnbobb is a derp, MAIN SCREEN TURN ON randoms out. It hits...Zero. Yes, really.

Mind Control Tech is chosen to redirect, and Johnbobb redirects it to Zero. He is possessed and taken off the roster. Final match is MM vs Akuma and Arthas on the Frozen Throne.

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Tom Bombadil
07/12/17 10:55:42 PM
#195:


I am kidding but that technically would be correct >_>

I would absolutely have used mct had that been known (kanz didn't appear to either) which would've probably changed somebody else's match in addition to my own

on top of which I wouldn't have MCT to get screwed over with today!
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Johnbobb
07/12/17 10:56:36 PM
#196:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Because Johnbobb is a derp, MAIN SCREEN TURN ON randoms out. It hits...Zero. Yes, really.

Mind Control Tech is chosen to redirect, and Johnbobb redirects it to Zero. He is possessed and taken off the roster. Final match is MM vs Akuma and Arthas on the Frozen Throne.

I feel like I'm gonna pass out
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greengravy294
07/12/17 10:57:00 PM
#197:


Lopen posted...
hypothetical merc situation

I bet it was ME
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Tom Bombadil
07/12/17 10:58:43 PM
#198:


anyway

ceremonial ragequit
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Lopen
07/12/17 11:00:45 PM
#199:


If it makes you feel better Tom, I'm pretty sure you would have lost that anyway even with Zero
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Tom Bombadil
07/12/17 11:02:34 PM
#200:


double zero?

also technically exdeath should be there too
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