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Asherlee10 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

who even eats dessert regularly?

People with bad diets.

i either get to eat garbage sugary foods or alcohol on a given day

but never both.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Good rule to have.

I try to stick with only consuming alcohol on the weekends.

too hard

my tues night dnd group is basically an excuse for myself and a group of fat guys to get shitty
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Asherlee10 posted...

joe40001 posted...

Still seems pretty miserable.

Eggs, chicken, veggies, fish, fruit, granola, bread, pasta, and salad seem pretty miserable? Dude, you need to readjust your beliefs.

joe40001 posted...

Granola is your "big dessert"? How is that not tame and bland as fuck?

Who said anything about "big dessert?" You shouldn't be eating a big dessert. Sugar is probably 50% or more of what's making you fat. Cut it out.

joe40001 posted...

That's like saying "I'm so kinky, one time I even fantasized about TWO women"

I'm not sure why this applies. You asked for normalcy. I provided what I eat on an average day, which I think is pretty normal.

joe40001 posted...

It's the blandest most tame thing that could ever be considered "kinky" and granola is the blandes fucking thing that could ever be considered "dessert"

Where are you getting kinky? And why is it referenced with food? Also, I listed more than granola. Dark chocolate is good. Fruit is good. Those are two options that are okay to eat daily if you want something sweet.

joe40001 posted...

That's why it seems miserable. Do any of the foods you mentioned seem like they could be in the same sentence with the word "fun"?

You need to grow up. Food is fuel. You can have fun with food every once in a while if you eat properly. Sounds like you just overindulge.

So you say "how do you get miserable" and you end on:

Food being fun? Fuck you, grow up.

That's kinda what I mean. Seems pretty miserable.
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your oddly sexual desire for food is a problem, joe
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Asherlee10 posted...

Darkman124 posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

who even eats dessert regularly?

People with bad diets.

i either get to eat garbage sugary foods or alcohol on a given day

but never both.

Good rule to have.

I try to stick with only consuming alcohol on the weekends.

Why are you backing him when he's pretty much talking about being exactly as unhealthy as you just unloaded about not being?
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Lol 10/10 troll topic

joe40001 posted...

Tell me a "plant food" meal that could be described as fun or tasty or filling. My biggest problem is how I eat, switching what i eat isn't that bad so long as the new thing isn't miserable which (while I may focus on it too much) does come up as suggestions in health related topics.

What does fun mean?

What do you mean by plant food? Many non meat foods are filling
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Balrog0 posted...

your oddly sexual desire for food is a problem, joe

Troll fishing w/ Balrog!
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I'm not trolling at all, dude
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Feline_Heart posted...

Lol 10/10 troll topic

And hasn't been talking about losing weight for a decade on a videogame message board
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This is a weird topic. Does tc actually want weight loss advise?
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yeah he's gotta be that dude that was mad as fuck at that soda picture lol
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Rabid_Banana posted...

And hasn't been talking about losing weight for a decade on a videogame message board

man, it really has literally been that long now

emblem boy posted...

This is a weird topic. Does tc actually want weight loss advise?

yes, but only so he can argue with you or get mad about how it wont work for him
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Asherlee10 posted...

Just because something is not perfectly fun doesn't mean it's automatically miserable. It's a responsibility to yourself to eat right. Learning that those responsibilities are not always fun is part of growing up.

I find people who think of "growing up" and "responsibility" in this way are needlessly stuffy and unhappy.

The way you talk about it, doesn't sound like you are happy about it, but that you are resigned to it. Being resigned to things you are not happy about is "miserable".

I'll be fair: I've been petty and grumpy here, and I do think your heart has been in the right place and looking to help, but I think you and I don't have compatible ways of thinking about this such that you could be much help to me.

What you talk about and how you talk about it don't seem happy.
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joe40001 posted...

Tell me a "plant food" meal that could be described as fun or tasty or filling. My biggest problem is how I eat, switching what i eat isn't that bad so long as the new thing isn't miserable which (while I may focus on it too much) does come up as suggestions in health related topics.

The easiest thing to do is to just become a fan of salad. And not just the tiny side salads you get with a meal, but one of those big Zaxby's sized salads that literally is the meal. The more types of vegetables are in the salad, the more satisfying it will be. As long as you're not drenching it in 2,000 calories worth of dressing, eating vegetables generally has a negative caloric effect, which makes calorie counting irrelevant. Fruit is also great for breakfast because of the natural sugar, but normally I just eat cereal. For dinner though, I am not the best person to ask for "fun" or "tasty" dishes as I simply just boil frozen vegetables because I'm too lazy to learn how to make anything else. There's tons of recipes online though.

Rabid_Banana posted...

And hasn't been talking about losing weight for a decade on a videogame message board

Aren't you the dude who's been a douche for that long?

No wait, it's been longer.

I don't know what you want, like what's the time limit on solving your problems? 2 years? After that you are just a fuckwit or something and should never hope to fix or talk about those problems again?
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Annihilated posted...

joe40001 posted...

Tell me a "plant food" meal that could be described as fun or tasty or filling. My biggest problem is how I eat, switching what i eat isn't that bad so long as the new thing isn't miserable which (while I may focus on it too much) does come up as suggestions in health related topics.

The easiest thing to do is to just become a fan of salad. And not just the tiny side salads you get with a meal, but one of those big Zaxby's sized salads that literally is the meal. The more types of vegetables are in the salad, the more satisfying it will be. As long as you're not drenching it in 2,000 calories worth of dressing, eating vegetables generally has a negative caloric effect, which makes calorie counting irrelevant. Fruit is also great for breakfast because of the natural sugar, but normally I just eat cereal. For dinner though, I am not the best person to ask for "fun" or "tasty" dishes as I simply just boil frozen vegetables because I'm too lazy to learn how to make anything else. There's tons of recipes online though.

So when's the last time you had a dinner you enjoyed?
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joe40001 posted...

I don't know what you want, like what's the time limit on solving your problems? 2 years? After that you are just a fuckwit or something and should never hope to fix or talk about those problems again?

we would at least expect to be having different conversations than we were 10 years ago I think
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i drink only water, flavored sparkling water, and coffee and i love it
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Balrog0 posted...

joe40001 posted...

I don't know what you want, like what's the time limit on solving your problems? 2 years? After that you are just a fuckwit or something and should never hope to fix or talk about those problems again?

we would at least expect to be having different conversations than we were 10 years ago I think

It is different. Aside from your attempts to shitpost.

Like unless I can't talk about diet/exercise at all without it being "the same"
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It's because when you get used to gorging yourself on food constantly, that's what you want to do.

I'm never hungry, but I maintain proper weight.
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If TC truly can't get enjoyment out of eating within his caloric means, then he needs to learn how to cook well enough so that he can or just change his attitude about food

I mean, that's​ all there is to it.

TC, what's an average day for you when it comes to your meals?
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joe40001 posted...

It is different. Aside from your attempts to shitpost.

Like unless I can't talk about diet/exercise at all without it being "the same"

How is it different?

You're saying more or less the same things about why you can't imagine eating healthier and why you can't exercise...
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joe40001 posted...

Annihilated posted...

joe40001 posted...

Tell me a "plant food" meal that could be described as fun or tasty or filling. My biggest problem is how I eat, switching what i eat isn't that bad so long as the new thing isn't miserable which (while I may focus on it too much) does come up as suggestions in health related topics.

The easiest thing to do is to just become a fan of salad. And not just the tiny side salads you get with a meal, but one of those big Zaxby's sized salads that literally is the meal. The more types of vegetables are in the salad, the more satisfying it will be. As long as you're not drenching it in 2,000 calories worth of dressing, eating vegetables generally has a negative caloric effect, which makes calorie counting irrelevant. Fruit is also great for breakfast because of the natural sugar, but normally I just eat cereal. For dinner though, I am not the best person to ask for "fun" or "tasty" dishes as I simply just boil frozen vegetables because I'm too lazy to learn how to make anything else. There's tons of recipes online though.

So when's the last time you had a dinner you enjoyed?

I don't really think about dinner too much, I just eat it so I can stop being hungry and go back to what I was doing. It's passable, but not special. I used to experiment with a lot of different recipes a couple years back, like a few salmon dishes, sorbets, and some other names I don't remember. But then I lost all the recipes with my last phone so I just said fuck it. If dinner is really important to you, then you should know how to cook already.

Asherlee10 posted...

joe40001 posted...

I find people who think of "growing up" and "responsibility" in this way are needlessly stuffy and unhappy.

Quite the opposite. You know what feels good? Taking care of the shit you have to take care of and then having fun without worrying about the shit you should have taken care of. Work hard - Party hard.

joe40001 posted...

The way you talk about it, doesn't sound like you are happy about it, but that you are resigned to it. Being resigned to things you are not happy about is "miserable".

Also, the opposite. Every sunday I eat whatever bad food I want to eat and I always regret it. Not because I think it will make me fat or make my cholesterol bad, but because it makes my body literally feel like garbage. Upset stomach, groggy, etc. Eating right gives you energy, can help with depression, and you have less worry about health problems.

joe40001 posted...

I'll be fair: I've been petty and grumpy here, and I do think your heart has been in the right place and looking to help, but I think you and I don't have compatible ways of thinking about this such that you could be much help to me.

Thank you for at least being reasonable. I'll also do the same. The bottom line is that eating healthy is not easy and it requires a lifestyle change. You have to depend on discipline to do it and eventually, you do gain the happiness from it. I will still say that eating right is a responsibility and if you're looking for it to be fun 100% of the time, you're going to be disappointed. It's like working at your job. It has to be done whether it's fun or not.

joe40001 posted...

What you talk about and how you talk about it don't seem happy.

I don't mean to give that impression because that is not the case at all. I think I might be the happiest I've ever been in my life and part of that is due to the fact that I've been doing what I should be doing that benefits me and my wife. EX: eating right, exercising, furthering my career

Those things practically give birth to even greater things that are amazing. Because I furthered my career, I can enjoy nice vacations and my wife doesn't have to work. Because I exercise, my mood and body are healthier and I don't have to worry about that later. etc.

In my experience, the things you say you do that make you happier in the long run, for me have always been an unrewarding slog. By and large I have not been rewarded for taking "positive steps" that people insist will be rewarding. People will say it is because I eventually go back to my old ways, which is true, but why would I do something unrewarding indefinitely if I find it unpleasant? You don't know how frustrating it is to put in 100 work hours into something and have people tell you that it failed because you didn't try hard enough. Wasn't enough, wasn't even close to enough.

That's why I'm doing this 1 week water fast.
1. People say it requires too much willpower and so if I succeed I can finally shut up the idea that I lack willpower
2. A week is a long enough time to have some response to something, people can't say after a week "well you've got to give it more time before you can expect ANY results"
3. I literally cannot go any lower on caloric intake so by god I better fucking burn some weight.

In my mind it won't change shit though. It will be misery for the sake of misery which is what I picture when I read your daily meals.

I still appreciate your patience and what you said and will try to keep it in mind.
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And what I usually eat

Breakfast: 4 eggs, 2 servings of egg whites, and 1 pita bread thing that I buy.

Lunch: 2 servings of lentils, 1 serving of rice, 3 serving of tofu, 60g of peanut, 1 Greek yogurt.

Dinner: depends but different combinations of lentils, rice, spaghetti, potatoes, veggie meats

Usually end up at 2400 calories for the day
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joe40001 posted...

That's why I'm doing this 1 week water fast.
1. People say it requires too much willpower and so if I succeed I can finally shut up the idea that I lack willpower
2. A week is a long enough time to have some response to something, people can't say after a week "well you've got to give it more time before you can expect ANY results"
3. I literally cannot go any lower on caloric intake so by god I better fucking burn some weight.

But... You know you'll just gain that weight back right?
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emblem boy posted...

And what I usually eat

Breakfast: 4 eggs, 2 servings of egg whites, and 1 pita bread thing that I buy.

Lunch: 2 servings of lentils, 1 serving of rice, 3 serving of tofu, 60g of peanut, 1 Greek yogurt.

Dinner: depends but different combinations of lentils, rice, spaghetti, potatoes, veggie meats

Usually end up at 2400 calories for the day

How would the young you feel about a diet that consisted of things like "lentils, rice, tofu, and greek yogurt"? Doesn't that sound like what you'd write a character in a movie eat if you wanted to show the character was bland and un-fun?

God bless if it makes you happy, but do you get what I'm saying?
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joe40001 posted...

How would the young you feel about a diet that consisted of things like "lentils, rice, tofu, and greek yogurt"? Doesn't that sound like what you'd write a character in a movie eat if you wanted to show the character was bland and un-fun?

God bless if it makes you happy, but do you get what I'm saying?

how is this any different than what you've been saying for 10 years?

I'm seriously asking.
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emblem boy posted...

joe40001 posted...

That's why I'm doing this 1 week water fast.
1. People say it requires too much willpower and so if I succeed I can finally shut up the idea that I lack willpower
2. A week is a long enough time to have some response to something, people can't say after a week "well you've got to give it more time before you can expect ANY results"
3. I literally cannot go any lower on caloric intake so by god I better fucking burn some weight.

But... You know you'll just gain that weight back right?

I never understand how people can see -7*(daily caloric intake to maintain my weight aka a lot) as =~= 0

You can't make it a bad thing or a pointless thing, a pointless thing is doing nothing.
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no carbs + lots of fat = no hunger and (for me) lots of weight loss.


Asherlee10 posted...

Your body is going to think you are starving and go into starvation mode.

you know that isnt a real thing right? just like the supposed links between sodium intake and blood pressure, and saturated fat intake a heart disease.
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joe40001 posted...

emblem boy posted...

And what I usually eat

Breakfast: 4 eggs, 2 servings of egg whites, and 1 pita bread thing that I buy.

Lunch: 2 servings of lentils, 1 serving of rice, 3 serving of tofu, 60g of peanut, 1 Greek yogurt.

Dinner: depends but different combinations of lentils, rice, spaghetti, potatoes, veggie meats

Usually end up at 2400 calories for the day

How would the young you feel about a diet that consisted of things like "lentils, rice, tofu, and greek yogurt"? Doesn't that sound like what you'd write a character in a movie eat if you wanted to show the character was bland and un-fun?

God bless if it makes you happy, but do you get what I'm saying?

In regards to the size of my meals, young me would probably wish he had eaten better when he was young so he wouldn't have been chubby.

In regards to the actual food, there's not much difference in what I'm eating now and when I was growing up. Always ate rice and yogurt. Always ate beans and lentils. I mean, the only difference is young me ate more candy and snacks, but as I've gotten older eating junk food just leaves me feeling bad the next day
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Balrog0 posted...

joe40001 posted...

How would the young you feel about a diet that consisted of things like "lentils, rice, tofu, and greek yogurt"? Doesn't that sound like what you'd write a character in a movie eat if you wanted to show the character was bland and un-fun?

God bless if it makes you happy, but do you get what I'm saying?

how is this any different than what you've been saying for 10 years?

I'm seriously asking.

Early on I wanted general tips. I tried to find out what was needed to be done to lose weight. With time I got that carbs were a major factor and that exercise was too, I learned that water wasn't that bad but could have a major difference, I learned that bodybuilding type exercise isn't really what exercise is and that it's more like jogging on a treadmill and that also it can actually make you feel better, with time I learned that people saying that weren't full of total shit. I learned the food pyramid is basically bullshit and that fruit juice isn't great for you just because it contains fruit, I learned that fruit itself has a lot of sugar and things like that. I learned the value of cardio. I learned calories were very important and fat itself not as much.

No, I still don't get how lentils, rice, and greek yogurt don't sound depressing as fuck though,
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Asherlee10 posted...

Emblem is 100% right. When you do a fast like that you are going to throw your metabolism for a loop. Your body is going to think you are starving and go into starvation mode. Not only will you gain the weight back, but it is very possible to gain further weight because of overcompensation.

Not necessarily that. I mean fasting isn't always bad as long as you're smart about how you do it and don't do it for too long. It's just that tc is just going to go back to his shitty diet and just end up gaining the weight back and learn nothing
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joe40001 posted...

Early on I wanted general tips. I tried to find out what was needed to be done to lose weight. With time I got that carbs were a major factor and that exercise was too, I learned that water wasn't that bad but could have a major difference, I learned that bodybuilding type exercise isn't really what exercise is and that it's more like jogging on a treadmill and that also it can actually make you feel better, with time I learned that people saying that weren't full of total shit. I learned the food pyramid is basically bullshit and that fruit juice isn't great for you just because it contains fruit, I learned that fruit itself has a lot of sugar and things like that. I learned the value of cardio. I learned calories were very important and fat itself not as much.

they are relevant and good things to know

It doesn't really answer my question, though. You realize that just because you know more doesn't mean you're behaving any differently, right?

I'm not saying that to be a jerk. But most of your posts have always been about your motivation and struggling with conflicting desires to not be fat but also to keep eating. Not asking for actual information on stuff. Because that part is pretty simple.
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Asherlee10 posted...

emblem boy posted...

Always ate beans and lentils

Have you made lentil tacos before? It is so damn good. We make them like they would be beef tacos.

Na I haven't. With the right seasoning I can see it being good as tacos though.

joe40001 posted...

No, I still don't get how lentils, rice, and greek yogurt don't sound depressing as fuck though,

What's your average day of of meals look like?
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emblem boy posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Emblem is 100% right. When you do a fast like that you are going to throw your metabolism for a loop. Your body is going to think you are starving and go into starvation mode. Not only will you gain the weight back, but it is very possible to gain further weight because of overcompensation.

Not necessarily that. I mean fasting isn't always bad as long as you're smart about how you do it and don't do it for too long. It's just that tc is just going to go back to his shitty diet and just end up gaining the weight back and learn nothing

How can you sincerely say all of those assumptions as fact? You even know what I will learn before I even learn it? come on
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joe40001 posted...

emblem boy posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Emblem is 100% right. When you do a fast like that you are going to throw your metabolism for a loop. Your body is going to think you are starving and go into starvation mode. Not only will you gain the weight back, but it is very possible to gain further weight because of overcompensation.

Not necessarily that. I mean fasting isn't always bad as long as you're smart about how you do it and don't do it for too long. It's just that tc is just going to go back to his shitty diet and just end up gaining the weight back and learn nothing

How can you sincerely say all of those assumptions as fact? You even know what I will learn before I even learn it? come on

The 3 reasons you posted for fasting don't show that you plan to start better eating habits
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emblem boy posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

emblem boy posted...

Always ate beans and lentils

Have you made lentil tacos before? It is so damn good. We make them like they would be beef tacos.

Na I haven't. With the right seasoning I can see it being good as tacos though.

joe40001 posted...

No, I still don't get how lentils, rice, and greek yogurt don't sound depressing as fuck though,

What's your average day of of meals look like?

You have my permission to make up whatever you think my average meals look like and then make fun of it or whatever accordingly. I can't imagine a scenario where the specifics will help anything at all. If you have such a scenario let me know.
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joe40001 posted...

emblem boy posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

emblem boy posted...

Always ate beans and lentils

Have you made lentil tacos before? It is so damn good. We make them like they would be beef tacos.

Na I haven't. With the right seasoning I can see it being good as tacos though.

joe40001 posted...

No, I still don't get how lentils, rice, and greek yogurt don't sound depressing as fuck though,

What's your average day of of meals look like?

You have my permission to make up whatever you think my average meals look like and then make fun of it or whatever accordingly. I can't imagine a scenario where the specifics will help anything at all. If you have such a scenario let me know.

I'm curious what your idea of non depressing foods are
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