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emblem boy posted...

joe40001 posted...

emblem boy posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Emblem is 100% right. When you do a fast like that you are going to throw your metabolism for a loop. Your body is going to think you are starving and go into starvation mode. Not only will you gain the weight back, but it is very possible to gain further weight because of overcompensation.

Not necessarily that. I mean fasting isn't always bad as long as you're smart about how you do it and don't do it for too long. It's just that tc is just going to go back to his shitty diet and just end up gaining the weight back and learn nothing

How can you sincerely say all of those assumptions as fact? You even know what I will learn before I even learn it? come on

The 3 reasons you posted for fasting don't show that you plan to start better eating habits

Reducing caloric intake and using my willpower to improve definitely do, and even if you were right it still wouldn't give you the ability to know what I will or won't learn from the whole thing.
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I just ate cajun spiced chicken breast with lime cilantro rice and roasted roma tomatoes and sweet potatoes.

Delicious as fuck, filling and relatively healthy.
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You said doing this will show that you have will power. With this confirmation of will power, what changes will you make afterwards?
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emblem boy posted...

joe40001 posted...

emblem boy posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

emblem boy posted...

Always ate beans and lentils

Have you made lentil tacos before? It is so damn good. We make them like they would be beef tacos.

Na I haven't. With the right seasoning I can see it being good as tacos though.

joe40001 posted...

No, I still don't get how lentils, rice, and greek yogurt don't sound depressing as fuck though,

What's your average day of of meals look like?

You have my permission to make up whatever you think my average meals look like and then make fun of it or whatever accordingly. I can't imagine a scenario where the specifics will help anything at all. If you have such a scenario let me know.

I'm curious what your idea of non depressing foods are

Pizza is non-depressing. Having a pizza and watching a movie, and/or having popcorn too, while having a diet or regular soda (I'm basically indifferent on this choice but people give me seemingly equal amounts of shit for either option)

That would be fun and non-depressing.
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emblem boy posted...

You said doing this will show that you have will power. With this confirmation of will power, what changes will you make afterwards?

Fuck if I know, all I know is that you certainly aren't in a place to say that you know no changes will take place.
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Asherlee10 posted...

bkkorps posted...

you know that isnt a real thing right? just like the supposed links between sodium intake and blood pressure, and saturated fat intake a heart disease.

There is a difference between fasting techniques. What he wants to do is not eat any foodstuffs for an entire week and only drink water. That will, in fact, damage your metabolism and often results in over-eating after the fasting.

2 months ago I water fasted for over 10 days. after resuming eating I gain some temporary water/food weight, and got right back on track to my ~2lbs/week weight loss. starvation mode isnt a reality, and fasting is very sparing of your metabolism. so long as he has enough body fat, an extended fast (when done properly) is of no real risk to him.
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joe40001 posted...

Pizza is non-depressing. Having a pizza and watching a movie, and/or having popcorn too, while having a diet or regular soda (I'm basically indifferent on this choice but people give me seemingly equal amounts of shit for either option)

That would be fun and non-depressing

Pizza and popcorn are good. I've actually started to not like pizza much. I find it... lacking. I don't know, recently stopped being a fan the past couple years.

Anyway, if rice, yogurt, and lentils sounds depressing, I don't know what to tell you. Is it the taste or just the idea of it?
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bkkorps posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

bkkorps posted...

you know that isnt a real thing right? just like the supposed links between sodium intake and blood pressure, and saturated fat intake a heart disease.

There is a difference between fasting techniques. What he wants to do is not eat any foodstuffs for an entire week and only drink water. That will, in fact, damage your metabolism and often results in over-eating after the fasting.

2 months ago I water fasted for over 10 days. after resuming eating I gain some temporary water/food weight, and got right back on track to my ~2lbs/week weight loss. starvation mode isnt a reality, and fasting is very sparing of your metabolism. so long as he has enough body fat, an extended fast (when done properly) is of no real risk to him.

More than three days starts cutting into muscle mass bro, which is why my longest fast was only 2.5 days.

You lift brah? Your numbers get hit at all?

emblem boy posted...

joe40001 posted...

Pizza is non-depressing. Having a pizza and watching a movie, and/or having popcorn too, while having a diet or regular soda (I'm basically indifferent on this choice but people give me seemingly equal amounts of shit for either option)

That would be fun and non-depressing

Pizza and popcorn are good. I've actually started to not like pizza much. I find it... lacking. I don't know, recently stopped being a fan the past couple years.

Anyway, if rice, yogurt, and lentils sounds depressing, I don't know what to tell you. Is it the taste or just the idea of it?

The idea. Pizza has this subtext of like Las Vegas where rice, greek yogurt, and lentils make me think of like Boise Idaho.

Kids can have a pizza party, kids can have a sub sandwich party, you can have a taco party, you can't have a rice and lentels party. Because it sounds depressing as fuck
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My vision is: eat what you want but do a lot of exercise to compensate. Has worked for me so far. Will not work as well as I age, but I don't mind a little belly as long as I have muscles.

You don't get anything for free. You don't have to listen to health nuts but the truth of the matter is we're not made to eat sugar. It's too much energy in one package. I mean I still eat desserts but I know I have to exercise more to compensate... IF I want a decent shape.

"Normal" people do NOT exercise more calories than they eat. That's why the norm is having a belly past 25. If you care about not having a belly then you have to do the tuna salad shit. If you care about not having a really round belly then just do something in between. Don't eat junk food every meal without moderation and do some exercise, you will at least maintain something average. It's all give efforts and take the reward, as far as your will will take you.

joe40001 posted...

The idea. Pizza has this subtext of like Las Vegas where rice, greek yogurt, and lentils make me think of like Boise Idaho.

Kids can have a pizza party, kids can have a sub sandwich party, you can have a taco party, you can't have a rice and lentels party. Because it sounds depressing as fuck

If it tastes good though, would it still be depressing?
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clearaflagrantj posted...

bkkorps posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

bkkorps posted...

you know that isnt a real thing right? just like the supposed links between sodium intake and blood pressure, and saturated fat intake a heart disease.

There is a difference between fasting techniques. What he wants to do is not eat any foodstuffs for an entire week and only drink water. That will, in fact, damage your metabolism and often results in over-eating after the fasting.

2 months ago I water fasted for over 10 days. after resuming eating I gain some temporary water/food weight, and got right back on track to my ~2lbs/week weight loss. starvation mode isnt a reality, and fasting is very sparing of your metabolism. so long as he has enough body fat, an extended fast (when done properly) is of no real risk to him.

More than three days starts cutting into muscle mass bro, which is why my longest fast was only 2.5 days.

You lift brah? Your numbers get hit at all?

Explain this to me:
Our bodies are pretty well designed to try to stay alive. We store up fat for this very purpose, so then why would our bodies as hunters and stuff start eating away at our muscles before the fat? The whole fucking point is that hunters could survive a while between hunts if they had built up fat reserves. A water fast is doing exactly what the body is designed for: Burning fat and mostly keeping muscle during a period where food cannot be found.

It would not make sense for us to develop such that the first or major thing we burn when not finding food is muscle.

Right?
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emblem boy posted...

joe40001 posted...

The idea. Pizza has this subtext of like Las Vegas where rice, greek yogurt, and lentils make me think of like Boise Idaho.

Kids can have a pizza party, kids can have a sub sandwich party, you can have a taco party, you can't have a rice and lentels party. Because it sounds depressing as fuck

If it tastes good though, would it still be depressing?

A little. It might need some rebranding. But if it served the purpose it would not be depressing.
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Cartwheel_Kick posted...

My vision is: eat what you want but do a lot of exercise to compensate. Has worked for me so far. Will not work as well as I age, but I don't mind a little belly as long as I have muscles.

You don't get anything for free. You don't have to listen to health nuts but the truth of the matter is we're not made to eat sugar. It's too much energy in one package. I mean I still eat desserts but I know I have to exercise more to compensate... IF I want a decent shape.

"Normal" people do NOT exercise more calories than they eat. That's why the norm is having a belly past 25. If you care about not having a belly then you have to do the tuna salad shit. If you care about not having a really round belly then just do something in between. Don't eat junk food every meal without moderation and do some exercise, you will at least maintain something average. It's all give efforts and take the reward, as far as your will will take you.

Honestly I'm not too big a sugar guy, more of a carb guy. Cheesy noodles can be like meth to me. I'll pair it with a diet soda but yeah that is fucking heaven.

Then I wake up from heaven and remember how fat I am and feel like shit.
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joe40001 posted...

emblem boy posted...

joe40001 posted...

Pizza is non-depressing. Having a pizza and watching a movie, and/or having popcorn too, while having a diet or regular soda (I'm basically indifferent on this choice but people give me seemingly equal amounts of shit for either option)

That would be fun and non-depressing

Pizza and popcorn are good. I've actually started to not like pizza much. I find it... lacking. I don't know, recently stopped being a fan the past couple years.

Anyway, if rice, yogurt, and lentils sounds depressing, I don't know what to tell you. Is it the taste or just the idea of it?

The idea. Pizza has this subtext of like Las Vegas where rice, greek yogurt, and lentils make me think of like Boise Idaho.

Kids can have a pizza party, kids can have a sub sandwich party, you can have a taco party, you can't have a rice and lentels party. Because it sounds depressing as fuck

It wouldn't need to be a party if it's something you can eat every day.

joe40001 posted...

Explain this to me:
Our bodies are pretty well designed to try to stay alive. We store up fat for this very purpose, so then why would our bodies as hunters and stuff start eating away at our muscles before the fat? The whole fucking point is that hunters could survive a while between hunts if they had built up fat reserves. A water fast is doing exactly what the body is designed for: Burning fat and mostly keeping muscle during a period where food cannot be found.

It would not make sense for us to develop such that the first or major thing we burn when not finding food is muscle.

Right?

Do you actually research any of these hare-brained ideas before declaring open war on your metabolic system and putting your body through hell?

You don't need to constantly cram your mouth with dessert. Humans are not evolved to constantly eat non-naturally occurring sugar in foods. You can get used to it over time and some deserts can start to taste gross since they are too sugary.
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Re: lentils, etc.

Have you ever tried them? I'm guessing not. Go out to a Thai or Indian restaurant or look up recipes. It seems like you have the eating habits of a child especially with your healthy foods = unfun/boring mentality

Expand your horizons

Or keep posting on gfaqs
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personally, I reached the weight I'm at and probably can't get any bigger no matter how hard I try (No I'm not some morbidly obese fatso that can't even get out the chair, I can run, do pushups, play basketball and everything just like a skinny person, but I have more of a "frame" if that makes sense. Like if I worked out and stuff I would have all the genes I need to be a bodybuilder or something)

I don't think I'm ever really full, so it's near foreign to me how some people can have a PB&J and some crackers for lunch and not eat until 6 hours later

I guess I'm just one of those big appetite people, with my brain being as busy as it is I tend to work up an appetite
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@Villain should give advice about soylent
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Rabid_Banana posted...

@Villain should give advice about soylent

A 2000 calorie soylent diet provides 100% daily intake of all required vitamins, fiber, protein and etc.

By sticking with it, it's simple and if you are overweight you will lose weight.

It is not intended as a weight loss product but would by far be the easiest one to do since all you have to do is mix it with water into the 2000 calorie container and portion it through out the day.
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joe40001 posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

bkkorps posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

bkkorps posted...

you know that isnt a real thing right? just like the supposed links between sodium intake and blood pressure, and saturated fat intake a heart disease.

There is a difference between fasting techniques. What he wants to do is not eat any foodstuffs for an entire week and only drink water. That will, in fact, damage your metabolism and often results in over-eating after the fasting.

2 months ago I water fasted for over 10 days. after resuming eating I gain some temporary water/food weight, and got right back on track to my ~2lbs/week weight loss. starvation mode isnt a reality, and fasting is very sparing of your metabolism. so long as he has enough body fat, an extended fast (when done properly) is of no real risk to him.

More than three days starts cutting into muscle mass bro, which is why my longest fast was only 2.5 days.

You lift brah? Your numbers get hit at all?

Explain this to me:
Our bodies are pretty well designed to try to stay alive. We store up fat for this very purpose, so then why would our bodies as hunters and stuff start eating away at our muscles before the fat? The whole fucking point is that hunters could survive a while between hunts if they had built up fat reserves. A water fast is doing exactly what the body is designed for: Burning fat and mostly keeping muscle during a period where food cannot be found.

It would not make sense for us to develop such that the first or major thing we burn when not finding food is muscle.

Right?

That's why I said after three days, the body primarily burns fat but also starts burning muscle.

At least according to LeanGains

Annihilated posted...

joe40001 posted...

emblem boy posted...

joe40001 posted...

Pizza is non-depressing. Having a pizza and watching a movie, and/or having popcorn too, while having a diet or regular soda (I'm basically indifferent on this choice but people give me seemingly equal amounts of shit for either option)

That would be fun and non-depressing

Pizza and popcorn are good. I've actually started to not like pizza much. I find it... lacking. I don't know, recently stopped being a fan the past couple years.

Anyway, if rice, yogurt, and lentils sounds depressing, I don't know what to tell you. Is it the taste or just the idea of it?

The idea. Pizza has this subtext of like Las Vegas where rice, greek yogurt, and lentils make me think of like Boise Idaho.

Kids can have a pizza party, kids can have a sub sandwich party, you can have a taco party, you can't have a rice and lentels party. Because it sounds depressing as fuck

It wouldn't need to be a party if it's something you can eat every day.

joe40001 posted...

Explain this to me:
Our bodies are pretty well designed to try to stay alive. We store up fat for this very purpose, so then why would our bodies as hunters and stuff start eating away at our muscles before the fat? The whole fucking point is that hunters could survive a while between hunts if they had built up fat reserves. A water fast is doing exactly what the body is designed for: Burning fat and mostly keeping muscle during a period where food cannot be found.

It would not make sense for us to develop such that the first or major thing we burn when not finding food is muscle.

Right?

Do you actually research any of these hare-brained ideas before declaring open war on your metabolic system and putting your body through hell?

You didn't answer the question.
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Is Joe still crying about being fat? Jesus, he's been doing this for over ten years now.
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Rabid_Banana posted...

Re: lentils, etc.

Have you ever tried them? I'm guessing not. Go out to a Thai or Indian restaurant or look up recipes. It seems like you have the eating habits of a child especially with your healthy foods = unfun/boring mentality

Expand your horizons

Or keep posting on gfaqs

Dude, you keep posting on gfaqs, in fact I'd say I've probably changed and grown a lot more than you.

Also I drove across the country and moved somewhere I expand my horizons a fair amount.
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omega cookie posted...

Is Joe still crying about being fat? Jesus, he's been doing this for over ten years now.

He's gamefaqs' trump
Only hears what he wants
Hates science
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joe40001 posted...

Rabid_Banana posted...

Re: lentils, etc.

Have you ever tried them? I'm guessing not. Go out to a Thai or Indian restaurant or look up recipes. It seems like you have the eating habits of a child especially with your healthy foods = unfun/boring mentality

Expand your horizons

Or keep posting on gfaqs

Dude, you keep posting on gfaqs, in fact I'd say I've probably changed and grown a lot more than you.

Also I drove across the country and moved somewhere I expand my horizons a fair amount.

Haha yeah I'm a 700 lb turbovirgin who can't leave the house @smallpoxx
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joe40001 posted...

Cartwheel_Kick posted...

My vision is: eat what you want but do a lot of exercise to compensate. Has worked for me so far. Will not work as well as I age, but I don't mind a little belly as long as I have muscles.

You don't get anything for free. You don't have to listen to health nuts but the truth of the matter is we're not made to eat sugar. It's too much energy in one package. I mean I still eat desserts but I know I have to exercise more to compensate... IF I want a decent shape.

"Normal" people do NOT exercise more calories than they eat. That's why the norm is having a belly past 25. If you care about not having a belly then you have to do the tuna salad shit. If you care about not having a really round belly then just do something in between. Don't eat junk food every meal without moderation and do some exercise, you will at least maintain something average. It's all give efforts and take the reward, as far as your will will take you.

Honestly I'm not too big a sugar guy, more of a carb guy. Cheesy noodles can be like meth to me. I'll pair it with a diet soda but yeah that is fucking heaven.

Then I wake up from heaven and remember how fat I am and feel like shit.

Carbs transform into the same thing as sugar. We're not meant to eat so much at once. Our body likes it because it used to be rare once and it meant our survival, now we indulge in it just because it feels good.

Which sucks, admittedly.

Cartwheel_Kick posted...

joe40001 posted...

Cartwheel_Kick posted...

My vision is: eat what you want but do a lot of exercise to compensate. Has worked for me so far. Will not work as well as I age, but I don't mind a little belly as long as I have muscles.

You don't get anything for free. You don't have to listen to health nuts but the truth of the matter is we're not made to eat sugar. It's too much energy in one package. I mean I still eat desserts but I know I have to exercise more to compensate... IF I want a decent shape.

"Normal" people do NOT exercise more calories than they eat. That's why the norm is having a belly past 25. If you care about not having a belly then you have to do the tuna salad shit. If you care about not having a really round belly then just do something in between. Don't eat junk food every meal without moderation and do some exercise, you will at least maintain something average. It's all give efforts and take the reward, as far as your will will take you.

Honestly I'm not too big a sugar guy, more of a carb guy. Cheesy noodles can be like meth to me. I'll pair it with a diet soda but yeah that is fucking heaven.

Then I wake up from heaven and remember how fat I am and feel like shit.

Carbs transform into the same thing as sugar. We're not meant to eat so much at once. Our body likes it because it used to be rare once and it meant our survival, now we indulge in it just because it feels good.

Which sucks, admittedly.

I know carbs are bad. I'm just saying I'm a little lucky that carbs rather than cake is my vice.
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joe40001 posted...

Rabid_Banana posted...

Re: lentils, etc.

Have you ever tried them? I'm guessing not. Go out to a Thai or Indian restaurant or look up recipes. It seems like you have the eating habits of a child especially with your healthy foods = unfun/boring mentality

Expand your horizons

Or keep posting on gfaqs

Dude, you keep posting on gfaqs, in fact I'd say I've probably changed and grown a lot more than you.

Also I drove across the country and moved somewhere I expand my horizons a fair amount.

OK but where were you in life 10 years ago and where are you now?

@Rabid_Banana where were you 10 years ago and where are you now?
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Pasta is not healthy.
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cerealbox760 posted...

Pasta is not healthy.

Soda is not healthy but it's better for you than cocaine.
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joe40001 posted...

cerealbox760 posted...

Pasta is not healthy.

Soda is not healthy but it's better for you than cocaine.

Sure its better but not healthy.
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Chicken is not healthy. The arsenic in chicken will slowly poison you. You could've had bacon.
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cerealbox760 posted...

joe40001 posted...

cerealbox760 posted...

Pasta is not healthy.

Soda is not healthy but it's better for you than cocaine.

Sure its better but not healthy.

I don't think I agree that soda is better for you then cocaine

Sugar is a huge burden on our health care system
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Balrog0 posted...

cerealbox760 posted...

joe40001 posted...

cerealbox760 posted...

Pasta is not healthy.

Soda is not healthy but it's better for you than cocaine.

Sure its better but not healthy.

I don't think I agree that soda is better for you then cocaine

Sugar is a huge burden on our health care system

Not sugar. People who dont have self control are a burden.
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Yikes having another melty over soda
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Not sure wtf I'm reading in this thread...
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this topic got silly
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WDarkman124 posted...

this topic got silly

I don't know. I feel like TC was getting at something but just went the wrong way about it.
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MLGSerperior111 posted...

WDarkman124 posted...

this topic got silly

I don't know. I feel like TC was getting at something but just went the wrong way about it.

Most CE topics are like trains that really want to go off the rails.

I might have kinda got something out of the discussion for what it's worth, but yeah now I don't think there is any saving it.
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I work 50+ hours a week in restaurant jobs and work out about 5 times a week. I weigh about 140, and probably eat between 3000-4000 calories a day, and cannot gain weight lol.
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By eating food that's actually nutritious so we feel full.

Compare a serving of junk food and healthy food with equal calories and tell me who's eating less.

But healthy food is B O R I N G
Adults are B O R I N G
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2 much work
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Do you eat to feel stuffed/sick?
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