Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 397: Make TNA Great Again

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Lopen
03/09/17 9:56:10 AM
#401:


My reaction was identical to the right tweet on that pic

Who is that
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voltch
03/09/17 9:56:11 AM
#402:


Nash vs Phil just gets absorbed within the grander scope of the Paul feud.

Weird thing is, I don't think punk is in big nose's top 15 feuds.
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03/09/17 10:00:16 AM
#403:


Lopen posted...
My reaction was identical to the right tweet on that pic

Who is that


Bruce Pritchard

The new onscreen authority
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VeryInsane
03/09/17 10:00:17 AM
#404:


Owens vs Jericho might actually be more interesting than Punk vs Jericho was years ago

Festival of Friendship does that
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03/09/17 10:01:20 AM
#405:


Best king of kings feuds

1. Foley
2. The rock
3. Hbk
4. Stone cold
5. Cena
6. Batista
7. Orton
8. Jericho
9. Yes yes yes
10. Angle
11. Steiner
12. Goldberg
13. Brock
14. Nash
15. Sting or punk or roman reigns.
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Lopen
03/09/17 10:01:31 AM
#406:


In what world is Bruce Pritchard a legend

If he made the WWE Hall of Fame he'd be on that bottom tier with Koko B Ware
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voltch
03/09/17 10:02:05 AM
#407:


Well Bruce managed undertaker.
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Lopen
03/09/17 10:03:24 AM
#408:


Brief warm-up act for Paul Bearer doesn't seem very noteworthy!

Sad part is that was probably his peak!
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Tom Bombadil
03/09/17 10:04:51 AM
#409:


hey heeee lovvvvves yeeeewwwww
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voltch
03/09/17 10:05:47 AM
#410:


He has a wrestling podcast!
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scarletspeed7
03/09/17 10:07:03 AM
#411:


His wrestling podcast is what got him the TNA job.
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 10:13:08 AM
#412:


I love that the slogan is "Make Impact Great"

Intentionally leaving out "again" because they think it's too hard to sell even the IMPLICATION that there was a previous great time.
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scarletspeed7
03/09/17 10:14:04 AM
#413:


You know, there was a time when we had a year of Bobby Roode and/or Austin Aries in every PPV main event.

That was pretty great.
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voltch
03/09/17 10:15:28 AM
#414:


We had an era where daffney was doing cool s***.

@Lopen agrees that this was a grand time.
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NBIceman
03/09/17 10:22:20 AM
#415:


Jakyl25 posted...
Oh hey, 50-26 is out too.

http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2017/03/09/honor-roll-rohs-50-greatest-wrestlers-ever-50-26/

Someone voted Jack Evans #2!

I was surprised to see Castle and Ciampa sneak in there.
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scarletspeed7
03/09/17 10:24:11 AM
#416:


Dalton Castle is a goddamned treasure.
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NBIceman
03/09/17 10:25:17 AM
#417:


He is, but he hasn't really done anything in ROH that merits top 50 ever IMO.
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 10:29:48 AM
#418:


Where did you end up on Kobashi for your list?
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NBIceman
03/09/17 10:33:53 AM
#419:


39, but pretty much as soon as I submitted the ballot I regretted not putting him a little higher. Somewhere in the 30-34 range. Wouldn't have made a difference ultimately, though.
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voltch
03/09/17 10:36:17 AM
#420:


It's weird but in hindsight roh has featured more than a dozen guys who would go on to have more legendary careers than kobashis.
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NBIceman
03/09/17 10:43:43 AM
#421:


voltch posted...
It's weird but in hindsight roh has featured more than a dozen guys who would go on to have more legendary careers than kobashis.

We must have very different concepts of what constitutes a legendary career.
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voltch
03/09/17 10:49:56 AM
#422:


Well, The Shield, the Yes Movement, Summer of Punk and so on, are bigger deals to the average wrestling fan, than Misawa vs Kobashi, which is frankly an obscure feud these days.

Like, I don't think Sami Zayn, AJ Styles or Kevin Owens would trade their careers for Kobashis, when they make more money, are seen by millions weekly and perform in 60k+ stadiums when Kobashi maxed out at 55k.

When all is said and done, I think you're more likely to see the average fans rank Cesaro on a greatest workers list than Kobashi. Sucks, but the only Japanese wrestlers who are actual stars are Inoki, Rikidozan and to some extent Sakuraba.
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NBIceman
03/09/17 12:04:08 PM
#423:


voltch posted...
Well, The Shield, the Yes Movement, Summer of Punk and so on, are bigger deals to the average wrestling fan, than Misawa vs Kobashi, which is frankly an obscure feud these days.

Like, I don't think Sami Zayn, AJ Styles or Kevin Owens would trade their careers for Kobashis, when they make more money, are seen by millions weekly and perform in 60k+ stadiums when Kobashi maxed out at 55k.

When all is said and done, I think you're more likely to see the average fans rank Cesaro on a greatest workers list than Kobashi. Sucks, but the only Japanese wrestlers who are actual stars are Inoki, Rikidozan and to some extent Sakuraba.

You're not wrong, but I always hesitate to use "average wrestling fan" as a metric because you run into dangerous territory where somebody like Braun Strowman is also a bigger deal to the average wrestling fan. It doesn't sit right with me that simply being in WWE would almost automatically catapult someone's legacy over a wrestler like Kobashi's where in reality they don't even belong in the same stratosphere.
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Lopen
03/09/17 12:07:36 PM
#424:


Yeah there was a stretch in TNA around 2010 to 2012, where I was legit entertained nearly every week. TNA was better than current day Smackdown Live at that point, and I generally like current day Smackdown Live.

Daffney was definitely a part of the early part of that, but I think Bully Ray is probably the standard I use to track it. Basically "after Brother Ray became Bully Ray but before Aces & Eights" was the glory age. Not necessarily because of Bully Ray (though he certainly helped) but yeah he's a good landmark I remember from around the time.
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SmartMuffin
03/09/17 12:12:10 PM
#425:


10-12???

Golden Age of TNA was like 08-09!
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Lopen
03/09/17 12:18:04 PM
#426:


I didn't like 08-09 as much. Main Event Mafia was a bad faction and took up way too much TV time. Way too heavy on old WWE guys then.

Granted Immortal was also a bad faction but it didn't bug me as much. Mostly cause it was mostly TNA guys or at least WWE guys that weren't fossils.
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voltch
03/09/17 12:40:01 PM
#427:


Well the top stars in WWE are basically like global superstar popstar sensations like One Direction or Ariana Grande. Kobashi is like a kinda cool vocaloid cover. He had a nice little high for a brief period, but he's not in the same league as someone like Val Venis or The Godfather.
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scarletspeed7
03/09/17 12:43:46 PM
#428:


Who really is in the same league as Val Venis though?
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voltch
03/09/17 12:46:47 PM
#429:


D'Lo Brown
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scarletspeed7
03/09/17 12:47:29 PM
#430:


Dammit D'Lo!
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PrivateBiscuit1
03/09/17 12:50:16 PM
#431:


I think I gave up on TNA with the giant pit that everyone fell into in the ring.

Was that the same PPV where they had that horrible promo where Kennedy kept going "KENNEDYYYYYYY" and then they had an extreme close up of Kurt Angle's face, and then they went back to Kennedy and repeated that a dozen times?
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 12:51:29 PM
#432:


*ANDERSONNNNn
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Whiskey_Nick
03/09/17 1:04:31 PM
#433:


Carmella .... thriving?

literally the only person ever to get no reaction when their music hits. It actually goes into negative sound
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scarletspeed7
03/09/17 1:06:09 PM
#434:


I am glad I tagged Nick.
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ScareChan
03/09/17 1:33:45 PM
#435:


People care about every woman on the smackdown roster, Carmella included. She is handling her gimmick quite well
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ZeroSignal620
03/09/17 1:43:51 PM
#436:


Don't know if anyone posted/shared this or not, but here were 2016's award winners for Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Wrestler of the Year: AJ Styles
MMA Most Valuable: Conor McGregor
Most Outstanding Wrestler: AJ Styles
Most Outstanding Fighter: Conor McGregor
Best Box Office Draw: Conor McGregor
Feud of the Year: Conor McGregor vs. Nate Diaz
Tag Team of the Year: Young Bucks
Most Improved: Matt Riddle
Best on Interviews: Conor McGregor
Most Charismatic: Conor McGregor
Best Technical Wrestler: Zack Sabre Jr.
Best Brawler: Tomohiro Ishii
Best Flying Wrestler: Will Ospreay
Most Overrated: Roman Reigns
Most Underrated: Cesaro
Promotion of the Year: NJPW
Best Weekly TV Show: NJPW - World Pro Wrestling
Pro Wrestling Match of the Year: Kazuchika Okada vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi (Wrestle Kingdom 10)
MMA Match of the Year: Robbie Lawler vs. Carlos Condit (UFC 195)
Rookie of the Year: Matt Riddle
Best Non Wrestler: Dario Cueto
Best TV Announcer: Mauro Ranallo
Worst TV Announcer: David Otunga
Best Major Wrestling Show: Wrestle Kingdom 10
Worst Major Wrestling Show: WrestleMania 32
Best Wrestling Manuever: One-Winged Angel (Kenny Omega)
Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic: Kimbo Slice vs. Dada 5000 fight @ Bellator 149
Worst TV Show: WWE Raw
Worst Match of the Year: Shelly Martinez vs. Rebel
Worst Feud of the Year: Titus O'Neil vs. Darren Young
Worst Promotion of the Year: TNA
Best Booker: Gedo
Promoter of the Year: Dana White
Best Gimmick of the Year: Broken Matt Hardy
Worst Gimmick of the Year: Bone Soldier
Best Pro Wrestling Book: Ali vs. Inoki by Josh Gross
Best Pro Wrestling DVD: WWE 24 - Seth Rollins (Redesign, Rebuild, Reclaim)
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Lopen
03/09/17 1:43:52 PM
#437:


ScareChan posted...
People care about every woman on the smackdown roster, Carmella included. She is handling her gimmick quite well


*James Ellsworth is handling her gimmick quite well
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03/09/17 2:25:06 PM
#438:


If WWE comes to you and says "hey, you're gonna be the James Ellsworth spot on our roster." Do you take it?
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03/09/17 2:39:35 PM
#439:


I'd refuse because I'm not willing to cut off enough of my chin to make it work
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scarletspeed7
03/09/17 3:53:42 PM
#440:


Oh, I forgot to mention my favorite sign at Fastlane:

"Undertaker blew a 21-0 lead"
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PrivateBiscuit1
03/09/17 4:57:13 PM
#441:


So the worst thing in wrestling is the name Daniel Bryan and Brie Bella picked for their child.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYPbsvHVBb4
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JONALEON1
03/09/17 5:03:07 PM
#442:


They must be big fans of Birdy the Mighty.
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NBIceman
03/09/17 5:05:24 PM
#443:


voltch posted...
Well the top stars in WWE are basically like global superstar popstar sensations like One Direction or Ariana Grande. Kobashi is like a kinda cool vocaloid cover. He had a nice little high for a brief period, but he's not in the same league as someone like Val Venis or The Godfather.

This may have been true once, but I don't think it's holding true in this era. You really think there's going to be more people that really remember Cesaro in 20 years than there are people who remember Kobashi today?

Like, yeah, Danielson, Punk, and Styles are probably pretty solidly going to go down as more legendary. I'm not sure you can make that argument for any more ROH guys as of right now.
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 6:20:38 PM
#444:


From the sounds of it, Impact is worse than it looked even from the spoilers

https://twitter.com/larrycsonka411/status/840019836499554304

https://twitter.com/garrettkidney/status/840017972756385794
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 6:23:28 PM
#445:


https://twitter.com/dylanwaco/status/840024861925875712
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SmartMuffin
03/09/17 6:27:06 PM
#446:


JJ making absolutely sure everyone knows he's in charge of creative now I guess <_<
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03/09/17 6:30:21 PM
#447:


I hope we get more than a five minute review from Filthy Tom every week now!
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 6:31:23 PM
#448:


https://twitter.com/trevordame/status/840017047207591936
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 6:34:25 PM
#449:


https://twitter.com/ivpvideos/status/840025737218400261
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 6:36:13 PM
#450:


Wrestling Twitter is so fun right now

https://twitter.com/thecubsfan/status/840024603397373952
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