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NBIceman
03/08/17 6:13:39 PM
#351:


That's a fair point, I suppose. Only time will tell.
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voltch
03/08/17 11:00:26 PM
#352:


it appears that Stardom will be closing soon

I blame tom
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scarletspeed7
03/08/17 11:02:23 PM
#353:


Phillips?

Was he sexting them too?
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NBIceman
03/08/17 11:04:55 PM
#354:


voltch posted...
it appears that Stardom will be closing soon

I blame tom

What's going on?

Never mind, I just saw. Son of a b****.
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voltch
03/08/17 11:05:24 PM
#355:


Kairi and Io to WWE, Mayu retiring.

GG
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NBIceman
03/08/17 11:11:24 PM
#356:


Well, yeah, congrats to WWE. They better f***ing do big things with these women. Otherwise they just killed off a good company for absolutely no reason.
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voltch
03/08/17 11:16:06 PM
#357:


I'm guessing however much money they will make extra on their end

Is less than all the money everyone else staying is now losing out on.

So I guess everyone who isn't going to other promotions to make extra cash will be retiring within a couple of years. Office jobs pay more than defunct wrestling promotions.
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voltch
03/08/17 11:20:02 PM
#358:


and besides, it just means Nanae wins.

Her promotion's got all the big draws now.
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Wanglicious
03/09/17 12:35:38 AM
#359:


HHH to soon start multiple women's wrestling company.
he's got 3 daughters, gotta get each a run as top title holder before having all 3 unify the titles. winner gets to Raw, 2nd goes to SD, third goes to NXT.
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ScareChan
03/09/17 1:33:10 AM
#360:


I was thinking just now that NXT isnt really doing what its supposed to be doing. They are getting over on good matches, but not good characters, and when people get called up to the main roster they kind of flutter out because their characters are whats supposed to be their appeal, not their ring work.

Charlotte has grown a LOT and is probably most improved wrestler period. It took her a year on the main roster to do it. Sasha is still struggling to find her way as a character. Bailey needs to adapt still. Crews is basically dead

Corbin is thriving because his gimmick is basically him turned up to 11, as is Becky. Joe is a fully developed guy before he came in.

I would say the only ones that did okay right on the main roster with their NXT stick was Carmella and Alexa.
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scarletspeed7
03/09/17 1:34:29 AM
#361:


I hope @Whiskey_Nick reads that post.
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Kinglicious
03/09/17 1:38:02 AM
#362:


Corbin is thriving because talking smack established a bridge between NXT and the roster.

Crews just has no personality. There's nothing there. You forget he exists. Sasha has one, Bailey has one, but the former should be heel and the latter is on the wrong show. Bailey's main asset is that she's endeering to people, Raw displays that by telling you repeatedly that she is and talks about her past. SD shows you it by them talking more normally.
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ScareChan
03/09/17 1:42:26 AM
#363:


As good as Talking Smack is, the majority doesnt watch it, especially not now that its delayed after 205 live. Corbin is going over on his Smackdown antics. Talking Smack may help but its just a boost, not the substance
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Wanglicious
03/09/17 1:47:06 AM
#364:


talking smack is what's been elevating Miz. you can see the transition from Corbin the NXT callup to Corbin the confident Smackdown star through it. we've now had multiple SD feuds start or have massive developments occur during Talking Smack, it's clearly incorporated into SD's structure. and this is ignoring that a very, very large number of people who are going to attend a live WWE show have access to it and they're the ones who get to set much of the tone for audiences at home.
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ScareChan
03/09/17 1:48:46 AM
#365:


Yeah but the relevant things that happen on Talking Smack are recapped and shown on Smackdown itself
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Wanglicious
03/09/17 2:00:53 AM
#366:


alternatively they're partially put on youtube.
both ways it ends up showing a different side to the characters, it gives them a chance to improve part of their craft in a better setting, and you'll have people cheering or booing based on the events from that smaller show, snowballing the popularity (or lack thereof).

it's a pretty crucial part to them right now and for Corbin at least really, really helped him. if he was stuck without that? he'd be dead in the water. no separate outlet to perfect the character or get feedback on what he was doing wrong or how he could better make his points. no place to really learn how to talk the way he does in an easier way. just plain more time to actually deliver promos that may be used to further push a feud on a two-hour show. NXT is ideally a place for you to learn all that but when you get to the main roster you might flounder a bit. talking smack lets you readjust that, realign the character to the new audience, and development can continue from there with the slight buffer. like i said, a bridge between the two.

it's also useful for main roster talent like the Usos, if they can get the character from that show to the roster. which may be possible.
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PrivateBiscuit1
03/09/17 3:19:58 AM
#367:


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Eddv
03/09/17 3:56:45 AM
#368:


Honestly? I think the weekly tv format is something done more out of habit than out of recognition for what works

Most of you are probably too young to remember this but the Studio Show format which would normally air on saturday or sunday had completely different goals than wwes urge to tell these epics.

Youd have people involved in feuds come in and talk s*** on their upcoming opponents - sometimes multiple up coning opponents. Theyd have a squash, showcasing just why this guy is such a bad ass and maybe every now and then things would get wild and their opponents woikd actually be there.

It was literally all about establishing characters and reasons for feuds and not about the matches at all. The pendulum needs to swing back to this I think because Talking smack is showing it can actually work
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Tom Bombadil
03/09/17 4:00:05 AM
#369:


voltch posted...
Kairi and Io to WWE, Mayu retiring.

GG


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ScareChan
03/09/17 4:04:29 AM
#370:


I think my main point of "NXT isnt doing what it needs to" is getting a bit overshadowed with all that. They are just focused on "Okay this is the pacing and this is where you need to look and thats the style we like" and then they ship them out. I dont even know if this is a Dusty thing since even like Tyler Breeze really struggled when he got called up (which is a shame because his VIP thing and his current gimmick I feel is great)

Or even the more 'successful' crop. Owens looked great against Cena right away, yes. They pushed him hard from the get go and he seems like he can make anything work. But his counter part Sami Zayn is just in lala land. And I feel Sami is someone that they did really try to figure out before bringing him up, but he is just filler guy
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ffmasterjose
03/09/17 4:08:55 AM
#371:


Hey that filler guy is worth at least 3 Eva Maries!
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Wanglicious
03/09/17 4:36:21 AM
#372:


zayn is totally victim of s***ty booking. he was pretty damn over, he just was on the same show as owens when he, logically, should've become the top babyface after balor was out.
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Strife2
03/09/17 4:40:47 AM
#373:


voltch posted...
Kairi and Io to WWE, Mayu retiring.

GG


I forget, but those two were in that Pentagon gauntlet match in LU weren't they? I recall the third woman being bats*** insane.
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PrivateBiscuit1
03/09/17 5:25:58 AM
#374:


Wanglicious posted...
zayn is totally victim of s***ty booking. he was pretty damn over, he just was on the same show as owens when he, logically, should've become the top babyface after balor was out.

They want to book him like Daniel Bryan where if they bury him enough, the fans will get behind him.

I know that doesn't make sense.
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Tom Bombadil
03/09/17 5:46:21 AM
#375:


it's so weird being on the other side of the "**** you WWE" reaction
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SmartMuffin
03/09/17 6:27:54 AM
#376:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Wanglicious posted...
zayn is totally victim of s***ty booking. he was pretty damn over, he just was on the same show as owens when he, logically, should've become the top babyface after balor was out.

They want to book him like Daniel Bryan where if they bury him enough, the fans will get behind him.

I know that doesn't make sense.


Maybe. Or maybe they're booking him like Cesaro, where if the fans get inappropriately excited for him, that will just be used as justification for further burial.
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 6:31:40 AM
#377:


If you would have told me that they'd do a better job with Owens than with Zayn on the main roster I would have said you're crazy.

I am stlll sometimes in awe that they basically just imported Kevin Steen from indies to Raw whole cloth and let him be himself and are happy with it.

It's kind of a wilder success story than Punk or Bryan.
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 6:33:48 AM
#378:


SmartMuffin posted...
PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Wanglicious posted...
zayn is totally victim of s***ty booking. he was pretty damn over, he just was on the same show as owens when he, logically, should've become the top babyface after balor was out.

They want to book him like Daniel Bryan where if they bury him enough, the fans will get behind him.

I know that doesn't make sense.


Maybe. Or maybe they're booking him like Cesaro, where if the fans get inappropriately excited for him, that will just be used as justification for further burial.


Nah, I think they want to keep him juuust over enough to where beating him always means something

He's the Raw babyface gatekeeper to relevance.

The heel one is Rusev :-(
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RaidenZeroX
03/09/17 7:15:49 AM
#379:


Zayn will never be the top babyface as long as they have this Roman Reigns guy. Number one babyface in the company, just ask Vince!
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 7:21:04 AM
#380:


Beloved by ALL
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PrivateBiscuit1
03/09/17 8:18:37 AM
#381:


RaidenZeroX posted...
Zayn will never be the top babyface as long as they have this Roman Reigns guy. Number one babyface in the company, just ask Vince!

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
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voltch
03/09/17 8:49:10 AM
#382:


Does Kevin Owens make them more money than punk though?

I'm sure they're happier with him as a person because he is 100% in line, but punk generated quite a bit of merchandise money
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NBIceman
03/09/17 8:59:46 AM
#383:


Strife2 posted...
voltch posted...
Kairi and Io to WWE, Mayu retiring.

GG


I forget, but those two were in that Pentagon gauntlet match in LU weren't they? I recall the third woman being bats*** insane.

They were all three in the match, yeah, and I believe Io was the third.
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Eddv
03/09/17 9:03:34 AM
#384:


voltch posted...
Does Kevin Owens make them more money than punk though?

I'm sure they're happier with him as a person because he is 100% in line, but punk generated quite a bit of merchandise money


At this point in their respective wwe runs i imagine hes ahead of punk
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SmartMuffin
03/09/17 9:04:14 AM
#385:


yeah punk was in midcard hell for like five years before they put him in the ME and he actually started earning
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 9:23:28 AM
#386:


I wasn't saying he's been more successful overall, just that he's a bigger success story.

The gap between "how we expected Vince to use him" and how Vince actually used him is greater than it was for Punk
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Lopen
03/09/17 9:24:42 AM
#387:


I dunno. I think between fat guy and cancer patient Vince historically would push the fat guy.
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 9:27:23 AM
#388:


But he's a short fat guy!
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voltch
03/09/17 9:27:34 AM
#389:


Yeah I guess Kevin's peak is higher than punk's peak.

Kevin's feud with Cena is Probably bigger than punk's biggest feuds.
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PrivateBiscuit1
03/09/17 9:28:24 AM
#390:


voltch posted...
Yeah I guess Kevin's peak is higher than punk's peak.

Kevin's feud with Cena is Probably bigger than punk's biggest feuds.

...Like Punk's feud with Cena?
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Lopen
03/09/17 9:29:07 AM
#391:


True story it's so unnatural for me to refer to Owens as "Kevin" I thought voltch was making a K-Fed joke at first.
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 9:29:14 AM
#392:


voltch posted...
Yeah I guess Kevin's peak is higher than punk's peak.

Kevin's feud with Cena is Probably bigger than punk's biggest feuds.


It's kinda funny, Punk beats Cena and the result is Punk merch goes sky high

Owens beats Cena and the result is Cena's merch tanks.
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RaidenZeroX
03/09/17 9:38:42 AM
#393:


My wife gets annoyed when I wear my Kevin Owens shirt. She doesn't understand awesome.
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 9:40:54 AM
#394:


Going back to a discussion we had like a week ago, VoW's ROH Top 50 project is rolling out now, and they've revealed the 116 people who got votes but did not make the 50.

Raven just missed the cut at #51

Xavier is the only ROH Champion to miss the cut at #56
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 9:43:13 AM
#395:


http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2017/03/07/honor-roll-rohs-50-greatest-wrestlers-ever-166-101/

http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2017/03/08/honor-roll-rohs-50-greatest-wrestlers-ever-100-51/
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voltch
03/09/17 9:44:31 AM
#396:


Eh punk's biggest feuds is vs triple h.

With the whole "Phil Brooks talking to Paul levesque" stuff.

Punk's top feuds are triple h>cena>hardy>ryback>rey>taker>jericho>Orton>bryan

Kevin's best doesn't have as many names but in five years his 5th best might be bigger than punk's best.

Like I didn't really consider that Kevin is simply at a main event level during a hitter period and he got there faster.

Guess the Goldberg squash gave a bad last impression.
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 9:47:42 AM
#397:


Oh hey, 50-26 is out too.

http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2017/03/09/honor-roll-rohs-50-greatest-wrestlers-ever-50-26/

Someone voted Jack Evans #2!
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Lopen
03/09/17 9:52:10 AM
#398:


lol voltch

what about Punk vs Kevin Nash surely that rates
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 9:53:52 AM
#399:


What about Punk vs Chavo?

Gulf of Mexico match!
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Jakyl25
03/09/17 9:54:52 AM
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https://twitter.com/maxwellrbr/status/839700415293849600

Impact is A NEW REGIME tonight!!! Shall we watch this train wreck?
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