Board 8 > Rumor: New MvC3 edition coming, new characters and balance tweaks

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From: Kinglicious | #097

Also I am so gonna laugh if this story were even half true and they reveal it in 4 months. Can't do the 9 month since upgrade stint again!

There'd be no reason to do that, though. Since this isn't likely to get a full, physical, retail release and all.

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From: StealThisSheen | #099

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Like I said, there's a difference between talking about the creative and financial aspects of development one at a time, and claiming that I was always saying the financial aspect was the crux of it all.

You are the one that WAS claiming the financial aspect was the crux of it all!

I don't even

Good day.

Smooth dodging of my request, SEP. Go on, tell me why a balance patch is an easy task now. I'm waiting.

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...Where did I ever say it was easy?

Seriously. Show me where.

You are so awful. You are not only lying about what you've been saying, but lying about what others are saying, now, as well.

That's really all anyone needs to say to this argument.

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I win!

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Rad Link 5 posted...

My arguments were inconsistent enough that you stopped arguing with me!

I win!

Oh god Kanz is gonna get off to "winning" our "intellectual battle," isn't he.

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From: StealThisSheen | #103

...Where did I ever say it was easy?

Seriously. Show me where.

You are so awful. You are not only lying about what you've been saying, but lying about what others are saying, now, as well.

That's really all anyone needs to say to this argument.

I am not calling you a liar. I am asking you to tell me why a balance patch is easy to craft, which was what me and Rad were discussing. if you have nothing constructive to provide when it comes to the central point of the discussion, as seen here...

From: Rad Link 5 | #039

From: KanzarisKelshen | #035

No, it absolutely is not.

It is absolutely nothing compared to adding new characters, moves, and modes.

It's like hanging a picture on a wall compared to building four walls.

From: KanzarisKelshen | #045

From: Rad Link 5 | #039

It's like hanging a picture on a wall compared to building four walls.

No, it's more like fixing the roof of your house as opposed to building a new small shed, walls, roof and all. Again, you're looking at something that *looks* easy on the outside but is not. Unless you're just throwing **** at the wall and seeing what sticks, proper balance is both time-consuming, and takes up much more time than just fiddling with some numbers in the source code.

Then why are you trying to take a side in this argument?

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Hey, Rad.

Did you say creating a balance patch was easy

Or did Kanz purposely take your example to mean something outside of what you were arguing.

I'm gonna ask you, because if I asked him, I'd probably get an answer about how I don't know enough about developing like he does to buy orange juice on a Sunday.

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From: StealThisSheen | #108

Hey, Rad.

Did you say creating a balance patch was easy

Or did Kanz purposely take your example to mean something outside of what you were arguing.

I'm gonna ask you, because if I asked him, I'd probably get an answer about how I don't know enough about developing like he does to buy orange juice on a Sunday.

Unless you live in Bizarroland, 'it's absolutely nothing compared to (insert more difficult, but not extraordinarily difficult thing here)', generally means 'this thing is relatively easy compared to (other thing here)'. And unless you're being intentionally misleading, you won't say 'relatively easy' for something you would still classify as 'pretty damn difficult' without clarifying that it's still damn hard, right? Does this all make sense to you?

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From: NioraptH | #107

c has gone on for this long without anyone fighting over SFxTK yet

Where the hell is Alex

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I said creating a balance patch was not a small step from creating an expansion from an effort standpoint, and was, in fact, a very big step.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #111

I said creating a balance patch was not a small step from creating an expansion from an effort standpoint, and was, in fact, a very big step.

Citation needed. Your previous posts before the one I quoted were the following.

From: Rad Link 5 | #006

As I mentioned in the Evo topic, I don't buy it.

I wouldn't be shocked if it were true, but I'm skeptical of his story, and I'd like to think Capcom isn't going to Street Fighter IV this thing.

From: Rad Link 5 | #016

From: PartOfYourWorld | #009

It already has, pretty much. Both MvC3 and SFIV have received one huge, retail-only expansion. SSFIV Arcade Edition was available for download for SSFIV owners for $15, so it's not nearly as bad as plunking down another $40 at the store.

That's what I had in mind. This rumor is that it'd be a $15 download for UMvC3 owners, so it'd be an exact repeat of what happened there.

Which, by the way, is part of why I doubt this. It seems too much like what happened with Street Fighter IV. Downloadable rebalance/expansion with four new characters. Unless this is their new business strategy.

From: Rad Link 5 | #036

People sure like tossing around that "toxic fanbase" stuff to dismiss complaints against companies they like lately.

No mention of it being 'a very big step' anywhere in these posts. If I missed one, please let me know.

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oh so now Kanz is playing the "you never actually said those exact words did you" game

Fun

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Now, it is my honor to introduce to you the last entry for uncanny ultimate marvel vs capcom 3...

The character from our award winning game in 2008...

Toki Tori! "

this is then followed by a sequence where the chick shoots eggs out of his wing while going pyo! Pyo! Pyo!

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From: LeonhartFour | #113

oh so now Kanz is playing the "you never actually said those exact words did you" game

Fun

Considering people tried to apply that to me too...yeah. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, as they say. I'm not calling Rad a liar, but just like I did, he apparently thought something was implicit to his text that wasn't. So if possible, I'd like to clear all of this out.

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I'm not actually going to play that game, because if I have to explain that the phrasing I used in my last post was not, in fact, intended to be identical to the phrasing in any of my other posts, but to convey the same message (as I just explained, anyway), I'll just be wasting my time telling him something he already knows.

From: Kinglicious | #114

"since we started this game people have been clamoring for our last character. It took us a while and we've been working hard on getting him done just right, after all, mvc2 just is a totally different game, but we've upgraded that move list in a way that should satisfy anyone. We at capcom know you love this guy and want you to know we do too.

Now, it is my honor to introduce to you the last entry for uncanny ultimate marvel vs capcom 3...

The character from our award winning game in 2008...

Toki Tori! "

this is then followed by a sequence where the chick shoots eggs out of his wing while going pyo! Pyo! Pyo!

The most horrifying thing about this is that that bird's powers could actually be adapted to nearly his entire MvC2 moveset with little creative effort.

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I mean I'd buy that game and main the bird, but still.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #116

I'm not actually going to play that game, because if I have to explain that the phrasing I used in my last post was not, in fact, intended to be identical to the phrasing in any of my other posts, but to convey the same message (as I just explained, anyway), I'll just be wasting my time telling him something he already knows.

From: Kinglicious | #114

"since we started this game people have been clamoring for our last character. It took us a while and we've been working hard on getting him done just right, after all, mvc2 just is a totally different game, but we've upgraded that move list in a way that should satisfy anyone. We at capcom know you love this guy and want you to know we do too.

Now, it is my honor to introduce to you the last entry for uncanny ultimate marvel vs capcom 3...

The character from our award winning game in 2008...

Toki Tori! "

this is then followed by a sequence where the chick shoots eggs out of his wing while going pyo! Pyo! Pyo!

The most horrifying thing about this is that that bird's powers could actually be adapted to nearly his entire MvC2 moveset with little creative effort.

The problem isn't that you're not using identical phrasing - it's that you left one of your points unsaid because you thought it was evident. You know, just like I did. This was, apparently, a misunderstanding, because since you never clarified that you understood that working on a balance patch was a big undertaking, I assumed you didn't (because most people who talk about stuff like this sincerely don't believe it takes lots of effort), which is why I stepped in to correct you, and it's why we had this whole argument. Now that we've cleared it up though, the matter is settled, and hopefully in a way that is as satisfying to you as it is to me (if not, we can continue this further). So now we can go back to discussing why the patch might or might not be a hoax, and why.

PS: I do still stand by my mocking of the MM supefans though. I got zero respect from them, unlike I have for you since you were patient enough to stick with this argument until we sorted it out.

EDIT: Also, would totally play Toki Tori if I wasn't committed to maining Cyclops assuming the patch was true. I just love 'BEHOLD! OPTIC BLAST!' too much.

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The "point I left unsaid" is not even a point. Tell me the difference between the following two arguments:

That's not a small step.

That's not a small step. It's a big one.

What's the answer? Four words.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #119

The "point I left unsaid" is not even a point. Tell me the difference between the following two arguments:

That's not a small step.

That's not a small step. It's a big one.

What's the answer? Four words.

Let's not get into a word-wrangling debate again. What you said was 'that's absolutely nothing compared to an expansion' (paraphrased slightly because I don't want to go fish for the exact quote, but you'll agree that this was the gist of it?). This IS different from 'that's absolutely nothing compared to an expansion, though still an awful lot'. That's five extra words, and yet it changes assumptions about your understanding of the inner workings of game development considerably. It's not a big deal to you, but it IS a big deal to me, because I've hashed this argument more than once with people who *refused* to believe rebalancing was hard. They weren't hard to convince, they flatly said 'you're a liar, it's just number tweaking!'. So I'm a bit jaded about it.

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Four words. Men have died for four words, don't underestimate it! I mean macho man is dead but the four words of "you f***ed my daughter" will keep him out of the hall of fame!

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And to be clear, yes, I'm saying your sick, black bar words are as powerful and evil as statutory rape of your boss' daughter.

Because if you are gonna go this far you might as well lose anything resembling sanity in language and accept you are Randy Savage's clone.

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From: Kinglicious | #122

And to be clear, yes, I'm saying your sick, black bar words are as powerful and evil as statutory rape of your boss' daughter.

Because if you are gonna go this far you might as well lose anything resembling sanity in language and accept you are Randy Savage's clone.

Speaking of losing sanity, I seriously don't know if you're supporting me, Rad, or mocking us both, Wang. >_>

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From: Kinglicious | #121

Four words. Men have died for four words, don't underestimate it! I mean macho man is dead but the four words of "you f***ed my daughter" will keep him out of the hall of fame!

It's not the four words that are keeping him out so much as the action that caused those four words, I think.

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And at least makes the topic more interesting. Sorta. Just channeling Johnny Curtis is all.

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having angry fans is one of those "good problems" IMO

put it this way - over the course of half a decade Capcom put out some amazing games. 3s, Marvel 2, CvS2. and for all the crap it gets, Capcom Fighting Jam wasn't really a bad game. it just wasn't very interesting. the initial reactions to balance issues actually probably ended up being false. just no one played it because it didn't have that certain something.

during that time period, Capcom had a small but dedicated fanbase. In other words "not enough to keep them making new good games." so they stopped making fighting games.

along comes SF4. I'll ask forgiveness for my probably unpopular opinion in this circle, but I don't think SF4 is particularly good. a lot has been written about why that is, some of it by me, so I won't go into it. it sold really well. IIRC it sold the best since SF2, right? that's really good. so the small vocal fanbase that loved the older games b****es constantly, but a lot more people like it and are buying it and they're making money.

then MvC3. I'm no expert here, so anyone can feel free to correct me. but my sense here is that the community acted similarly - some pros played it, some pros never touched it, most of them think it is worse than MvC2, and it sold a lot better than 2 ever did.

then finally SFxT. at this point I don't think it's controversial to describe SFxt as a messy broken awful game. it sold a lot less than was expected. it still sold a lot more than it should have (guilty as charged).

but it's worth mentioning that even when all those cult good games were being made, people still b****ed. a fair amount of ST fans s*** on 3s and CvS2 for years for not being ST. which is one reason why it took a few years of being basically dead before the general American community realized that 3s was actually good (it took Japan coming over and showing us how to play it for that to happen).

so no matter what, Capcom gets a small minority of angry people hating anything new that they make. the difference is, now they're making a lot more money doing it. I would imagine that through the sea of angry fans they're probably happier now than they were in the 3s/MvC2/CvS2 era. I think there's signs that it won't keep working though - SF4 was a huge success and people have been buying less Capcom FGs since. it hasn't been a collapse, but the numbers are dwindling. there's a lot of negativity about all of Capcom's newish games out there and it might be slowly catching up with them.

even their ports of new games are having mixed success. supposedly HDR and 3SOE sold reasonably well, but the dedicated community for those games has pretty much rejected both. HDR because it's HDR, OE because it's not arcade perfect. actually there's been talk of going back to PS2 for American console tournaments. which is not a good look at all. because no one thinks the PS2 port is that great.

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dpm + atk atk is "mad swordplay a"
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this can rekka into qcf+atk atk mad swordplay b which then rekkas into qcb+atk atk mad swordplay c, making this a level 1 2 or 3 hyper

Complete bull****. You can't have rekka hypers in Marvel because doing qcf+atk atk during a hyper gets you a THC to your next character. Or if you did have them, they would have to be single-attack inputs. I could be wrong but I can't see even Capcom being ****ty enough to make a new hyper that completely changes the rules for how the game systems work. Like would this be the ONE hyper you can't THC out of? Or would you be able to THC, just not with the one specific input for the rekka hyper? This would just be too much bull**** even for Capcom.

Also they better not be done with Marvel 3, they still owe us a ****ing Magneto alt costume. After all, they took it out of the DLC because Spain sued them, but they didn't drop the price any so we paid for it.

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What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, as they say

No one says that.

Do they?

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From: Kinglicious | #097

Also I am so gonna laugh if this story were even half true and they reveal it in 4 months. Can't do the 9 month since upgrade stint again!

Maybe I'm remembering the wrong thing, but didn't the same thing happen with Ultimate? Rumor reveal, say it's a hoax, then out it goes?

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I've never heard that phrase with sauce, but good for the goose and gander there, sure.

If it happened with ultimate I wouldn't be surprised.

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It's fake guys

"Before leaving for America, I've noticed there's been some unusual rumors lately. While very detailed, it's all false."

https://twitter.com/Ryota_Niitsuma/status/220720718994874368

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Guys, a Capcom developer said there is no Sentinel in MvC3!

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Well there's a new MvC game all right, but not this one!

http://www.capcom-unity.com/brelston/blog/2012/07/05/marvel_vs_capcom_origins_coming_to_xbla_and_psn_in_september

Also, relevant.



Marvel vs Capcom Origins.

Which is Marvel Super Heroes and Marvel vs Capcom 1.

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I'm surprised that they didn't retroactively remove Mega Man from the game.

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Man this Kanzaris guy sure seems...unstable. Do you scream at cashiers if they take a long time to count change?

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bah, I was hoping this would be an interesting discussion of mechanics but instead it's Kanz acting like a child for 100 posts

do us a favour and stay out of the Evo topic

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SupremeZero posted...


Maybe I'm remembering the wrong thing, but didn't the same thing happen with Ultimate? Rumor reveal, say it's a hoax, then out it goes?

People didn't doubt it because Lupinko was the one who started the rumor about UMvC3... In March before Shuma and Jill were released.

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I don't remember them ever actually addressing the Ultimate rumor

So does this topic have a lot of posts because cool news was revealed or because of dumb discussion?

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From: foolm0ron | #143
So does this topic have a lot of posts because cool news was revealed or because of dumb discussion?
Dumb discussion.

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My mistake, it was actually April when Lupinko leaked that a super version of MvC3 was coming.

www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27150579&postcount=9170

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LOL!!!! I hope that's a joke....names don't get more n00bish than that

I've never played Super Heroes or MvC1, are they good?

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They're good. I'd just feel like they're dated, I think.

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They're good, just broken in bad ways (gems in MSH, Psylocke/Colossus assist spam in MvC1.)

They have amazing backgrounds and presentation, and the artists filled the game with a lot of heart.

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They're good. MvC1 still holds up imo.

MSH had some really stupid stuff though.

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