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Had the same experiences as RL5 here, yeah

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Basically I think if you get a lot of people telling you wrestling is fake you're bringing it up in stupid contexts and that's their way of saying "I don't care now shut up." If it's topical, people who don't understand wrestling generally aren't going to get on your case for it. I don't know maybe you guys just know dumber/more dickish people than I do or maybe I'm better at presenting wrestling in a way that steers it away from "it's fake, right" but yeah I'm just saying that hasn't been my experience with talking about wrestling at all.

I mean, granted, it doesn't happen often, because I don't generally talk about things I know people aren't terribly interested in with them... but I've talked to at least a dozen people who don't follow it at some point or another (for various reasons not usually started by me) and yeah I haven't really gotten that reaction since like 6th grade.

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I've gotten the reaction just from people walking by while I was watching it.

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If I could punish one group of people I'd force every person who smugly goes 'you know wrestling's fake, right?' to have a voice in their head going 'you know it's fake, right?' constantly whenever they experience any fictional work.

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Uh.... What the f*** is going on with the MITB matches? Wow.

This reaction came from the Smackdown spoilers.

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Okay maybe my experiences are the weird one here.

I'm just going to say none of you are good in social situations though-- confirms what I think about b8 and preserves faith in humanity too.

Yes.

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The two years that I had roommates in college, they wouldn't stop making sarcastic comments about the show when I would watch wrestling, or else they would try to watch it with me but they were only able to engage on an ironic level.

And this was pre-hipsters!

So basically from fall '01 through spring '03 I had my grandparents record everything for me and I'd just marathon WWE every weekend at home. <_<

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lopen: the b8 mark.

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You may care, but Vince McMahon could give two f***s how he treats the prep guy compared to how he treats David Letterman, which is my point. They don't care about that story. He could do that a hundred times and that will not affect their decision to make him a media guy or not.

It's not so much that Vince cares about the media guy, it's that if Punk putting down media guys affects his likability among the fanbase in general, Vince WILL care about that. I'm not saying it'll cause him to be relegated to NXT or anything, but it might make the difference between main-eventing with the A belt and being an occasional challenger for the B belt.

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This SD MitB match they are putting together is....WEIRD.

No that is not a Johnny Curtis spoiler.

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johnny curtis would be awesome in one so now i am sad.

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Well he hasn't had a qualifier yet so keep hope alive.

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Yeah, this MITB is probably going to be a let down.

And I say that being the biggest Damien Sandow mark on the board.

















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MITB is looking oddly like what would have happened if I had won the latest leg in Tom's TEW diary.

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From: Tom Bombadil | #304
I've gotten the reaction just from people walking by while I was watching it.

same

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From: Lopen | #307

Okay maybe my experiences are the weird one here.

I'm just going to say none of you are good in social situations though-- confirms what I think about b8 and preserves faith in humanity too.

Yes.

well I can't particularly deny that but I don't think I was the problem in most conversations I had along those lines

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I still hear people say "you know it's fake", even when I overhear it in conversations I'm not a part of, or when two people "who know it's fake" are talking about it together.

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Heck I still say it to silly smarks who say stuff like Punk's promo last year was a shoot. <_<

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I present it as "well what do YOU watch on Mondays and Thursdays?"

And then im like "yeah and IM the on watching trash"

Works too.Youd be surprised how dissatisfied people are with normal TV.

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I swear I don't even LIKE wrestling. I think I just watch it so I can come here and argue with you guys about it.

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You like Damien Sandow!

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Yes, but Sandow represents about 3% of my wrestling viewing experience <_<

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So SD's MITB so far...

Sandow vs. Christian vs. Santino vs. Tyson Kidd vs. Tensai

I honestly don't know what to think yet.

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From: ZeroSignal620 | #325

So SD's MITB so far...

Sandow vs. Christian vs. Santino vs. Tyson Kidd vs. Tensai

I honestly don't know what to think yet.

Wow, that actually sounds legit interesting to me. More so than the other MITB, IMO.

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I said last night somebody had better gif that face, it was hilarious

Also (SD spoilers) Cody is totally getting back in the MitB match. Surely. He didn't take the pin, so he might heel his way back into it. I can't even comprehend why they'd want to exclude him. That said, only good workers in the match so far.

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From: XIII_rocks | #326
I said last night somebody had better gif that face, it was hilarious



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As lame as that was, I have to admit that I did mark out for Cena's Yoda.

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Him doing the voice just came out of nowhere for me. It's one of those things I SHOULD have expected to happen, but didn't. Like "stuck a feather in his ass and called him a jabroni"

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From: Lopen | #303
Basically I think if you get a lot of people telling you wrestling is fake you're bringing it up in stupid contexts
I don't bring up wrestling to people who I don't know to follow it. I only discuss it at all if it comes up for some reason.

An example: one time my friends stumbled across a WWE show on TV and had a nostalgia trip where they remembered how they used to watch it when they were kids, talking about The Rock and whatever, and then commentating that they had no idea who that was on the screen (CM Punk). I mentioned that he was called CM Punk, and they asked if he was any good (referring, in retrospect, to whether he was charismatic and entertaining). I mentioned he was one of those rare guys who was a really good speaker and good in the ring. They were like "You know it's fake in the ring, right?" And I had to explain how wrestling, whether legitimate competition or not, is not something you can just step into a ring and do, in an attempt to assure them that I did not actually think I was watching a sporting event. I mean it made sense to them once I explained it a little, but they had never once thought about the idea, because they (like most people) hear "wrestling is fake" without an explanation of how it's fake, and they assume that there is some way that none of what they're seeing is "real."

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From: ZeroSignal620 | #325
So SD's MITB so far...

I honestly don't know what to think yet.
Well uhh.... Thats the most "obvious winner is obvious" lineup pretty much ever.

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Well... what a weird f***ing MitB match for SmackDown.

I know there are a ton of injuries and suspensions, but... I don't honestly think I'd have guessed more than one of those. Maybe two.

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There are more qualifiers set for next week's SD so the field isn't complete yet.

I honestly have no clue who the "obvious winner" is out of the current field though. I mean yeah one guy is much higher profile than the others but do you REALLY see him with MitB? Do you see ANY of these guys with MitB? It's wide open!

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they should let sheamus compete, so he can have both the championship and the briefcase

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I'm going out on a limb and guessing of that line-up none of them is winning.

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then sheamus challenges himself and brogue kicks himself

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Man what? Your friends used to watch wrestling and still didn't get what it means for someone to be "good in the ring?"

I don't care if it's normal or not to say wrestling is fake on reflex or not they are idiots if they used to watch and they don't know. I even felt as a kid that some guys were just more fun to watch wrestle than others. I mean watch Skinner or watch Bret Hart-- you don't even have to be a smark or whatever to say that Bret Hart's matches are just going to be more fun to watch.

No offense to you of course <_<

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Yeah, I guess it is kind of weird that even having watched guys like the Hardyz compared to guys like... uh, the Big Show, that they wouldn't get the concept of being good in the ring. I really think when some people find out wrestling is "fake," without any context to what that means, they really just do decide to disregard anything that ever happened in a ring.

I'm sort of starting to understand why some people insist on correcting people who say it's fake by saying "No, it's scripted."

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Just for the record while I'll concede the fakeness thing among the uninitiated I really don't think that that's typical of former wrestling fans. Like I know a lot of people who used to watch and don't anymore and I don't think I've ever heard of something like that. Everyone had wrestlers they thought were good or matches they thought were good, even if they don't like it anymore. I mean even on this board, you hear people saying similar things despite not having watched for years.

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Yeah, I never thought it was weird before because it's an answer I've got it from the uninitiated, but when you put it that way it does seem sort of strange in retrospect.

I mean I know my father, who used to watch wrestling in the Hogan/Savage-era, and who doesn't care for it at all now, only evaluated wrestlers on how crazy their mannerisms were (he fondly remembers one guy who would chew the ring posts who's name I can't remember). And maybe partially how big they were. He wouldn't know what to say if you asked who his favorite in-ring performer was (probably, "well it's all fake anyway," knowing him). I'm not sure if that has to do with the era he watched, or if it's just because he's an idiot.

I want to guess that part of it might be that they feel like they were fooled, and they don't want to admit to themselves that they thought any wrestler seemed especially exciting to them because, in their mind, it means they bought into the illusion. Even though being exciting in the ring is not part of the illusion, and is an actual skill.

I'm just taking 2 AM stabs at what the reason might be, though. Because like you said, I'm sure when they were still watching there were definitely guys they found more exciting in the ring than others.

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From: Lopen | #340
I mean watch Skinner or watch Bret Hart-- you don't even have to be a smark or whatever to say that Bret Hart's matches are just going to be more fun to watch.

While this is technically true, you unintentionally picked a much narrower example than you intended to I think. <_< Steve Keirn can go!

From: Rad Link 5 | #343
(he fondly remembers one guy who would chew the ring posts who's name I can't remember)

George The Animal Steele.

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Well I intentionally picked a jobber more than a guy I knew was terrible because I was trying present it from the viewpoint of a casual viewer. I actually don't remember Skinner being great or terrible-- but I think I've seen one match of his since I was older than like 10

But "man this Skinner guy always loses he sucks Bret Hart is way better" is totally a valid thing for a casual wrestling fan to say regardless of their technical ring work and it's not weird. Like I could see former wrestling fans thinking The Great Khali was a good wrestler-- whether he technically is or whatever is beside the point. Point is thinking a guy is good in the ring is like... not even some smark specific thing.

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And it's kinda the same with any performance art.

Some people just have no means to discern quality of acting in movies, for example.

But even those people should grasp that, say, Robert Dinero > Keanu Reeves

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Keanu Reeves is awesome I will fight you.

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"man Heath Slater is such a bad wrestler, he can't even beat Cyndi Lauper"

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From: Lopen | #345
"man this Skinner guy always loses he sucks Bret Hart is way better"

Poor Dolph :-(

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Hey Dolph has a fair amount of wins under his belt.

Jack Swagger is probably the guy this applies to these days :/

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