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wg64Z
11/02/11 12:18:00 PM
#202:


I feel like using a celebrity or historical figure as examples are bad, because fame gives you a huuuuuuuuuuge boost. Seriously, even Mini-me had a sex tape.
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Greyfeld
11/02/11 12:21:00 PM
#203:


BoshStrikesBack posted...
It's taking a term and twisting it to describe a phenomenon that's already been well-known for years.

That's what "stipulating" means, yeah. Speaking of "twisting a term," you're making redefining seem like something evil or opportunistic. People do it literally all the time. For example, the word "life" means very different things in religion versus science. Stipulation; learn it, love it.

It's called "If you're confident and treat gullible women like crap, they'll want to sleep with you." All this alpha/beta nonsense is just smoke and mirrors to make it sound more deep and interesting than it really is.

No one's making it seem complicated. It's beautiful in its simplicity, maybe. The problem is that, for most guys, being a consistent alpha is difficult, and if you're anything like me, you love a good challenge.


I'm all for challenges. I just don't put p**** high on my "must have" list. Therefore, I'm not willing to sacrifice my moral center to attain it. It has nothing to do with lack of confidence or any of that other crap, I simply prefer to remain who I am. And woman who would throw herself at me because of my fake personality would be boring to me.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 12:21:00 PM
#204:


"You need to act like more of a jerk" isn't constructive unless you're just trying to rope in easy sex.

That is so, so not what I was implying. Having a bit of a jerk side DOES help yes, and you'd be foolish to not believe it. But wow, you are truly incapable of taking any kind of helpfull advice aren't you?

Also I bet a vast majority of this board would kill for some "easy sex" whether they want to admit it or not.
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baron von toast
11/02/11 12:21:00 PM
#205:


I don't take any particular issue with the alpha/beta thing but man alive the fervor with which some of you people expound the gospel of Roissy borders on cultish and sometimes it gets kind of weird.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 12:21:00 PM
#206:



I'm all for challenges. I just don't put p**** high on my "must have" list. Therefore, I'm not willing to sacrifice my moral center to attain it. It has nothing to do with lack of confidence or any of that other crap, I simply prefer to remain who I am. And woman who would throw herself at me because of my fake personality would be boring to me.


So how many women are throwing themselves at you right now?
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VincentLauw
11/02/11 12:22:00 PM
#207:


From: BoshStrikesBack | #191
This whole discussion originated out of people expressing difficulty in getting women


No, it started with cheesecake.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 12:24:00 PM
#208:


wg64Z posted...
"You need to act like more of a jerk" isn't constructive unless you're just trying to rope in easy sex.

That is so, so not what I was implying. Having a bit of a jerk side DOES help yes, and you'd be foolish to not believe it. But wow, you are truly incapable of taking any kind of helpfull advice aren't you?

Also I bet a vast majority of this board would kill for some "easy sex" whether they want to admit it or not.


I don't know you, and I didn't ask for your advice. So there's no incentive for me to accept what you perceive as constructive criticism.

In any case, I have no problem acting confident, so that's absolutely beside the point.

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AlecTrevelyan006
11/02/11 12:24:00 PM
#209:


From: SantaRPG | #190
Going for what's statistically popular has always been a long-term bad idea. This isn't me talking about dating, this is marketing and business speaking. Following trends is safe, and more reliable, while innovating, and looking for new solutions is risky, but more rewarding if it yields success.


Exploiting market inefficiencies is the best way to make a profit. In an ideal free market, it should be impossible to stay profitable in the long term because everybody else will go into the same business.

Alphas utilize a market inefficiency. Long term, if everybody acted like that, then there would be no profit from acting like that.

At least that would be the Alpha theory.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 12:26:00 PM
#210:


I don't know you, and I didn't ask for your advice. So there's no incentive for me to accept what you perceive as constructive criticism.


Then I guess I should just thank you for being the beta that you are and making the alphas out there stand out.

Really, thank you.
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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:26:00 PM
#211:


"You need to act like more of a jerk" isn't constructive unless you're just trying to rope in easy sex.

This is what most people don't realize: this is also important if you want a lasting relationship (with anyone who's even moderately attractive). A girl wants to feel that her partner is strong, confident, and powerful, after all. This has nothing to do with easy sex.

It seems to me it's the lonely people who defend alpha behavior the strongest (swift, extha) because it's made them slightly less lonely.

Certainly a possibility. Most people who spout alpha/beta talk tend to be insecure betas. Who knows? Maybe I'm in the same group.

I'm all for challenges. I just don't put p**** high on my "must have" list. Therefore, I'm not willing to sacrifice my moral center to attain it. It has nothing to do with lack of confidence or any of that other crap, I simply prefer to remain who I am. And woman who would throw herself at me because of my fake personality would be boring to me.

I used to feel this way, but time and maturity made me realize how wrong I was. This is a product of the everyone-wins generation, and the fallacy is identified as follows: you might not be perfect as you are. Maybe you *should* be changing yourself to fit the mold. Maybe there's nothing at all wrong with a girl who likes her man to be socially well-adjusted and strong. Perhaps, by clinging tight to your principles, you run the risk of losing out on the love of your life, for the sole reason that you're too lazy or inconsiderate to make basic social adjustments.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:27:00 PM
#213:


I don't take any particular issue with the alpha/beta thing but man alive the fervor with which some of you people expound the gospel of Roissy borders on cultish and sometimes it gets kind of weird.

100% true. Again, most online alphas tend to be poorly-disguised betas.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 12:27:00 PM
#214:


wg64Z posted...

I'm all for challenges. I just don't put p**** high on my "must have" list. Therefore, I'm not willing to sacrifice my moral center to attain it. It has nothing to do with lack of confidence or any of that other crap, I simply prefer to remain who I am. And woman who would throw herself at me because of my fake personality would be boring to me.


So how many women are throwing themselves at you right now?


See, this is my problem. If I said no women are throwing themselves at me right now,what would you say? "It's because you're too beta," right?

What you need to understand is that some of us don't base our self-esteem or life decisions on how much sex we can potentially score at any given time. I've had the occasional opportunity to get some NSA sex, and after the first couple times trying it, I decided that it wasn't something I enjoyed. So, you can take that however the **** you want to.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:28:00 PM
#215:


You shouldn't be pretending to be something you're not to be getting women, you should be showing confidence in who you really are.

Surely you don't believe this, do you Santa? If I'm a serial killer, I should just "embrace who I am," and resent all women who find me unappealing as a result?

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:29:00 PM
#216:


What you need to understand is that some of us don't base our self-esteem or life decisions on how much sex we can potentially score at any given time. I've had the occasional opportunity to get some NSA sex, and after the first couple times trying it, I decided that it wasn't something I enjoyed. So, you can take that however the **** you want to.

Fine. But there is a difference between "I don't like casual sex" and "being an alpha can't get be casual sex anyway." The first is a value judgment; the second is simply a statistical lie. I hope you can appreciate the distinction.

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LeonhartFour
11/02/11 12:29:00 PM
#217:


From: BoshStrikesBack | #215
If I'm a serial killer, I should just "embrace who I am," and resent all women who find me unappealing as a result?


If you're a serial killer, getting women is probably the least of your concerns.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 12:29:00 PM
#218:


Dammit Bosh you say everything I want to before I even get the chance to start typing it.

He's right though, being a jerk doesn't solely get you the "easy lay" girls.
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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:30:00 PM
#219:


If you're a serial killer, getting women is probably the least of your concerns.

Fair enough. Let's tone down the example then: say you've got some freaky-ass hobby; collecting toenails, torturing insects, etc. What then?

Ultimately, however, this is all irrelevant for the most part. If you really believe that staying "true to yourself" is the most important thing, then have at it, champ. Just don't expect too many women along the way.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 12:31:00 PM
#220:


BoshStrikesBack posted...
I used to feel this way, but time and maturity made me realize how wrong I was. This is a product of the everyone-wins generation, and the fallacy is identified as follows: you might not be perfect as you are. Maybe you *should* be changing yourself to fit the mold. Maybe there's nothing at all wrong with a girl who likes her man to be socially well-adjusted and strong. Perhaps, by clinging tight to your principles, you run the risk of losing out on the love of your life, for the sole reason that you're too lazy or inconsiderate to make basic social adjustments.

Did you just try to tell me that wanting a relationship with somebody who appreciates me for who I am as a person is entitlement??

I've already said that I have no problem with confidence in a social situation. But I sure as hell am not going to change my personality to win over some chick. I'd rather be alone than with somebody who only liked me for who I pretended to be. Screw that noise.

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GuessMyUserName
11/02/11 12:31:00 PM
#221:


From: BoshStrikesBack | Posted: 11/2/2011 3:28:29 PM | #215
Surely you don't believe this, do you Santa? If I'm a serial killer, I should just "embrace who I am," and resent all women who find me unappealing as a result?


serial killers generally don't care about love

their knife does all the penetrating they need

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wg64Z
11/02/11 12:33:00 PM
#222:


You shouldn't be pretending to be something you're not to be getting women, you should be showing confidence in who you really are. I have a lilac hannah montana psp and a hello kitty web browser.

You're absolutely right! Next time you meet a girl, show the confidence in who you are and open with the fact that you own that psp. Let me know the stats on which ones bite.
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Greyfeld
11/02/11 12:33:00 PM
#223:


BoshStrikesBack posted...
If you're a serial killer, getting women is probably the least of your concerns.

Fair enough. Let's tone down the example then: say you've got some freaky-ass hobby; collecting toenails, torturing insects, etc. What then?

Ultimately, however, this is all irrelevant for the most part. If you really believe that staying "true to yourself" is the most important thing, then have at it, champ. Just don't expect too many women along the way.


Self-improvement and being yourself aren't mutually exclusive.

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voltch
11/02/11 12:36:00 PM
#225:


Realo your farts are stinky.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 12:37:00 PM
#226:


I just did. Really though, be open and honest with new women about your web browser and psp. It's better off to be with someone who takes you for who you are then someone who doesn't right?
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KingButz
11/02/11 12:38:00 PM
#228:


From: Metal_DK | #196
XFD you have no idea how wrong you are

and now you sound like a 15 year old. Congrats Mr. Beta.


Literally has no idea what "beta" even means.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 12:39:00 PM
#229:


Those people can have their weird unattractive quirks work in their favor if they play their cards right.


No..just no
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Metal_DK
11/02/11 12:39:00 PM
#230:


Literally has no idea what "beta" even means.

Powerful words from mr. beta over here. Keep it up!

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 12:40:00 PM
#231:


wg64Z posted...
I just did. Really though, be open and honest with new women about your web browser and psp. It's better off to be with someone who takes you for who you are then someone who doesn't right?

Yeah, and while you're at it, why doesn't he share whether he goes righty or lefty as well.

Seriously, you have no concept of moderation. It's either one extreme or the other with you.

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Lockes Ragnarok
11/02/11 12:40:00 PM
#232:


LeonhartFour posted...
From: GuessMyUserName | #183
what the

this topic certainly exploded since I last topic


*checks*

.. it's about alphas/betas now? -_-
Yeah, this topic became a lot lamer after Lockes' post.


Yup, we just need realo to reply to it so we can get back on topic.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:40:00 PM
#233:


Did you just try to tell me that wanting a relationship with somebody who appreciates me for who I am as a person is entitlement??

Absolutely. You're probably not that great "as you are"- none of us are- and, perhaps more relevantly, you likely don't apply that same standard to women who are interested in you. Either way, this is more of a practical point: if you want women, you'll almost certainly have to change who you are, at least a little. Easy sex or otherwise.

And here's another question for you: why is "remaining true to who you are" worth more than finding a great partner? I'd personally consider that selfish.

I'd rather be alone than with somebody who only liked me for who I pretended to be. Screw that noise.

Then enjoy being alone. (Don't worry, I mean that ironically; you'll wise up to what I'm telling you with age.)

Self-improvement and being yourself aren't mutually exclusive.

What are you talking about? For this entire discussion, you've rallied against the idea of changing your approach to women as "disingenuous." If you want to retreat on that, by all means.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:40:00 PM
#234:


100% of the girls who know I've had that psp have had my dick in their mouth.

there's your stats.


Sample size: 1

;)

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KingButz
11/02/11 12:40:00 PM
#235:


From: Metal_DK | #230
Literally has no idea what "beta" even means.

Powerful words from mr. beta over here. Keep it up!


I'd like to hear your definition of a beta, please.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:41:00 PM
#237:


Powerful words from mr. beta over here. Keep it up!

You remember that post I made that absolutely destroyed your position? Yeah. Why are you still posting here, exactly?

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LeonhartFour
11/02/11 12:41:00 PM
#238:


From: voltch | #225
Realo your farts are stinky.


voltch has the right idea here

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wg64Z
11/02/11 12:42:00 PM
#239:


100% of the girls who know I've had that psp have had my dick in their mouth.

Yeah I didn't ask that, even though I very much doubt the honesty behind it, it's irrelevant.

I said to open with it, to a stranger. A new girl. It's easy to hide embarassing stuff until you do put your dick in their mouth. You think I walk into bars saying I argue with nerds on an internet gaming site about courting? No.
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The Mana Sword
11/02/11 12:42:00 PM
#241:


leon how many girls do you get by telling them you like ff8 just a ballpark number is fine

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CrimsonOcean
11/02/11 12:43:00 PM
#243:


People should continually work to improve themselves. That doesn't mean they should completely change who they are.

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 12:43:00 PM
#244:


You remember that post I made that absolutely destroyed your position? Yeah. Why are you still posting here, exactly?

literally needing self assurance on a post....maybe youre a beta too.....

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LeonhartFour
11/02/11 12:44:00 PM
#245:


From: wg64Z | #239
You think I walk into bars saying I argue with nerds on an internet gaming site about courting? No.


That doesn't mean you're not being open and honest about who you are, I hope you realize.

Every girl I've ever dated has known that I'm a gamer. Did I walk up to her and tell her the first time we spoke? No.

But that doesn't mean I was being disingenuous.

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LeonhartFour
11/02/11 12:44:00 PM
#246:


From: The Mana Sword | #241
leon how many girls do you get by telling them you like ff8 just a ballpark number is fine


Once I show them my gunblade, it's usually a 99.95% success rate

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 12:44:00 PM
#247:


BoshStrikesBack posted...
What are you talking about? For this entire discussion, you've rallied against the idea of changing your approach to women as "disingenuous." If you want to retreat on that, by all means.

I can still maintain a respectful approach to women and better myself as a person. I can become a better me and not turn into a manipulative, sex-centric douchebag.

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KingButz
11/02/11 12:44:00 PM
#248:


From: CrimsonOcean | #243
People should continually work to improve themselves. That doesn't mean they should completely change who they are.


If you want something that requires you to change who you are (e.g., become irresistible to the vast majority of women) then you will need to change who you are to get it.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 12:46:00 PM
#249:


People should continually work to improve themselves. That doesn't mean they should completely change who they are.


No one said you need to "completely" change who you are. But changes are definitely needed.
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Metal_DK
11/02/11 12:46:00 PM
#250:


I'd like to hear your definition of a beta, please.

pretty obvious...kingbutz.

BTW since you cant understand posts very well....kingbutz is my answer, not me addressing your name.

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