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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:47:00 PM
#251:


People should continually work to improve themselves. That doesn't mean they should completely change who they are.

This is a completely arbitrary distinction. For some people, improving courtship skills is "changing who one is"; for others, it's not. All you're doing is trying to deflect the question behind an empty sentiment.

literally needing self assurance on a post....maybe youre a beta too.....

Maybe. Better a beta here than an abject loser everywhere.

I can still maintain a respectful approach to women and better myself as a person. I can become a better me and not turn into a manipulative, sex-centric douchebag.

Tying this in to what I said above, you've established that improving your courtship skills constitutes "changing yourself" instead of "improving yourself." Again, going back to what I said earlier- which you still haven't bothered to respond to- that's fine; just don't expect many women along the way. And again, what makes your principles so great? Are they really worth sacrificing a potentially blissful union? Are you that shallow?

No one said you need to "completely" change who you are. But changes are definitely needed.

Well said. It's naive to think otherwise.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 12:48:00 PM
#252:


That doesn't mean you're not being open and honest about who you are, I hope you realize.

Every girl I've ever dated has known that I'm a gamer. Did I walk up to her and tell her the first time we spoke? No.


Doesn't it though? Aren't you conciouslly not revealing that information for fear that once they hear it they will reject you? I'm sure if you had a good job that would come up, but if you had an embarassing one, it wouldn't.
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Greyfeld
11/02/11 12:49:00 PM
#254:


BoshStrikesBack posted...
Tying this in to what I said above, you've established that improving your courtship skills constitutes "changing yourself" instead of "improving yourself." Again, going back to what I said earlier- which you still haven't bothered to respond to- that's fine; just don't expect many women along the way. And again, what makes your principles so great? Are they really worth sacrificing a potentially blissful union? Are you that shallow?

I would argue that it's shallow to change who you are just to get women.

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 12:49:00 PM
#255:


Maybe. Better a beta here than an abject loser everywhere.

considering the fact that youve agreed with me a few times in this topic....i question if you are just as big of an abject loser!

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IngmarBirdman
11/02/11 12:50:00 PM
#256:


I can become a better me and not turn into a manipulative, sex-centric douchebag.

This is the description of some PUA's, not all alphas.

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LeonhartFour
11/02/11 12:51:00 PM
#257:


From: wg64Z | #252
Doesn't it though? Aren't you conciouslly not revealing that information for fear that once they hear it they will reject you? I'm sure if you had a good job that would come up, but if you had an embarassing one, it wouldn't.


No, it doesn't.

I don't consciously hide it, but I don't divulge my life story to every girl I meet.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 12:51:00 PM
#258:


Just think of courting women as a skill that you need to improve. That's not changing who you are as a person, at all.

If I start to learn how to play guitar, am I completely changing who I am?

You're just learning to be better at a skill or aspect at life you'd like to improve.

Think of it this way, as a PC. You think we're asking you to rip out the motherboard and replace all the internal hardware. When really you just need some new software. Same machine, but more capabilities.
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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:52:00 PM
#259:


I would argue that it's shallow to change who you are just to get women.

Difference of opinion; fine. My opinion happens to get me both more women and more stable, long-term relationships. But I'm not better than you for employing a more fruitful method to women, just to be clear. I'd encourage you to change your mind, however, once you realize that you're done being a stubborn mule.

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voltch
11/02/11 12:53:00 PM
#261:


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LeonhartFour
11/02/11 12:53:00 PM
#262:


Also, there's a difference between self-improvement and putting on an air to get your way with someone by pretending to be something you're not.

It seems like several of the people arguing in this topic don't really understand what the other side is actually trying to say.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 12:53:00 PM
#263:


BoshStrikesBack posted...
I would argue that it's shallow to change who you are just to get women.

Difference of opinion; fine. My opinion happens to get me both more women and more stable, long-term relationships. But I'm not better than you for employing a more fruitful method to women, just to be clear. I'd encourage you to change your mind, however, once you realize that you're done being a stubborn mule.


If all of your "long term relationships" have failed, then it doesn't really matter how many of them you've had.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:54:00 PM
#264:


No, it doesn't.

I don't consciously hide it, but I don't divulge my life story to every girl I meet.


But this is exactly it: in every social situation, you reveal certain things about yourself and hide others, because you want to either form or continue a certain impression of yourself to certain people. Not doing it with women doesn't change the fact that you do it with everyone else, which is a big part of the reason why claiming it's "shallow" is so silly.

Also, there's a difference between self-improvement and putting on an air to get your way with someone by pretending to be something you're not.

Being an alpha has nothing to do with lying, Leon.

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LeonhartFour
11/02/11 12:54:00 PM
#265:


From: BoshStrikesBack | #259
But I'm not better than you for employing a more fruitful method to women, just to be clear. I'd encourage you to change your mind, however, once you realize that you're done being a stubborn mule.


These two sentences seem somewhat contradictory here, however.

"My way is better than your way, so you should realize you're being stubborn for no good reason and adapt to my way."

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:55:00 PM
#266:


If all of your "long term relationships" have failed, then it doesn't really matter how many of them you've had.

When a hook-up ends, did it "fail"? No; I got what I wanted out of it, namely sex. Similarly, when a long-term relationship ends, it hasn't "failed," because I got what I wanted out of it, namely emotional support and a meaningful relationship for an extended period.

To pretend that all relationships aim at marriage is an outdated ideal.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 12:56:00 PM
#267:


"My way is better than your way, so you should realize you're being stubborn for no good reason and adapt to my way."

Careful, Leon; appreciate the subtleties. If this guy *really* believes that standing by his (perhaps contradictory, certainly silly) principles is worth a potentially wonderful relationship, then that's his call. What I'm saying is that he doesn't really want that deep down.

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LeonhartFour
11/02/11 12:57:00 PM
#268:


From: BoshStrikesBack | #263
But this is exactly it: in every social situation, you reveal certain things about yourself and hide others, because you want to either form or continue a certain impression of yourself to certain people. Not doing it with women doesn't change the fact that you do it with everyone else, which is a big part of the reason why claiming it's "shallow" is so silly.


If a girl I just met asked me what I do for fun, I would tell her that I like to play video games.

I'm not ashamed of it whatsoever, but it doesn't mean I always talk about it.

Being an alpha has nothing to do with lying, Leon.


I'm aware, but like I said, both sides don't really seem to understand what the other side is saying.

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foolmor0n
11/02/11 12:58:00 PM
#270:


Holy **** I was about to respond to a post from page 3 and I notice we're at 6 pages

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wg64Z
11/02/11 12:58:00 PM
#271:


If all of your "long term relationships" have failed, then it doesn't really matter how many of them you've had.


Another inherently flawed statement. How do you get better at something? How do we end up doing something better the second time around? How do employers know we can do that job they're asking us to do? Unless you are truly stubborn in every aspect of life and never learn from your mistakes, this is simply not true.
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Greyfeld
11/02/11 12:59:00 PM
#272:


BoshStrikesBack posted...
If all of your "long term relationships" have failed, then it doesn't really matter how many of them you've had.

When a hook-up ends, did it "fail"? No; I got what I wanted out of it, namely sex. Similarly, when a long-term relationship ends, it hasn't "failed," because I got what I wanted out of it, namely emotional support and a meaningful relationship for an extended period.

To pretend that all relationships aim at marriage is an outdated ideal.


Not everybody has to end up married. But if you entered the relationship without the express forethought of when you were going to end it, then yes, the relationship failed. You can sugarcoat it however you want, but unless you actually said to yourself, "I only need a girlfriend for X number of weeks/months/years, then I can dump her because she'll no longer be useful to me," then you are no more special than the rest of us who have experienced failed relationships.

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LeonhartFour
11/02/11 12:59:00 PM
#273:


From: BoshStrikesBack | #267
What I'm saying is that he doesn't really want that deep down.


Then you're still essentially saying your way is better than his way and he should adapt to your way because your way works and his doesn't. That's what I'm getting from every single post you've made in this topic anyway.

From: BoshStrikesBack | #266
To pretend that all relationships aim at marriage is an outdated ideal.


Also, that may not be what you want, but that doesn't make it an outdated ideal, however.

You are not very open-minded about other people's ways of thinking, it seems.

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XIII_rocks
11/02/11 1:00:00 PM
#274:


SantaRPG posted...
Greyfeld posted...
If all of your "long term relationships" have failed, then it doesn't really matter how many of them you've had.

this is the weirdest statement. Two adults can date. Have a good time, and then realize they can't work out in the long run and part ways while still enjoying their time together. If you asked me to erase all my past relationships, I'm sure I wouldn't be in the one I had now.


What experience could you possibly have with relationships between two adults
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wg64Z
11/02/11 1:00:00 PM
#275:


If a girl I just met asked me what I do for fun, I would tell her that I like to play video games.

I'm not ashamed of it whatsoever, but it doesn't mean I always talk about it.


Video games aren't that big of a stretch, a huge majority of men in their 20's play video games, its our generation.

What you didn't tell her is that you're playing it on a hannah montana psp, and are an avid pokemon egg breeder.
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HanOfTheNekos
11/02/11 1:00:00 PM
#276:


You play too aggressively in LoL realo.

Playing LoL is not like chasing women.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 1:01:00 PM
#277:


SantaRPG posted...
Greyfeld posted...
If all of your "long term relationships" have failed, then it doesn't really matter how many of them you've had.

this is the weirdest statement. Two adults can date. Have a good time, and then realize they can't work out in the long run and part ways while still enjoying their time together. If you asked me to erase all my past relationships, I'm sure I wouldn't be in the one I had now.


That's not really what I meant. I just meant that one person's happiness isn't greater than another's, just because he's had more relationships in his lifetime.

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LeonhartFour
11/02/11 1:01:00 PM
#279:


From: wg64Z | #275
What you didn't tell her is that you're playing it on a hannah montana psp, and are an avid pokemon egg breeder.


Well, why would I tell her that? I don't do either of those things.

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KingButz
11/02/11 1:02:00 PM
#280:


From: Metal_DK | #250
I'd like to hear your definition of a beta, please.

pretty obvious...kingbutz.

BTW since you cant understand posts very well....kingbutz is my answer, not me addressing your name.


Ok dude just keep telling yourself that you are better than "kingbutz" lol

Literally just trolling at this point.

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XIII_rocks
11/02/11 1:02:00 PM
#281:


SantaRPG posted...
dammit we went 6 pages without a pedophile joke

SIX PAGES


Sorry, I can't resist :(
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Metal_DK
11/02/11 1:04:00 PM
#282:


Ok dude just keep telling yourself that you are better than "kingbutz" lol

Literally just trolling at this point.


because your first post addressing me was a blatant troll attempt perhaps???

I mean it took you this long for you to realize that i was trolling you? And you kept buying into it.....

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 1:04:00 PM
#283:


Greyfeld posted...
SantaRPG posted...
Greyfeld posted...
If all of your "long term relationships" have failed, then it doesn't really matter how many of them you've had.

this is the weirdest statement. Two adults can date. Have a good time, and then realize they can't work out in the long run and part ways while still enjoying their time together. If you asked me to erase all my past relationships, I'm sure I wouldn't be in the one I had now.

That's not really what I meant. I just meant that one person's happiness isn't greater than another's, just because he's had more relationships in his lifetime.


And I'm quoting myself here, because I don't have that program where I can edit my posts, but I forgot to add:

Also, even if you've had more long-term relationships than I've had (just saying "if" that were true), it doesn't matter, because all of yours have failed as well (using the universal "you" here), meaning that your way isn't necessarily better than mine.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 1:04:00 PM
#284:


You know what I meant, Leon.

You can sugarcoat it however you want, but unless you actually said to yourself, "I only need a girlfriend for X number of weeks/months/years, then I can dump her because she'll no longer be useful to me," then you are no more special than the rest of us who have experienced failed relationships.

So what you're saying is people can never change their minds halfway through a relationship? What if I'm deeply in love with someone for a few years then suddenly I have a resounding "meh" feeling towards them. Did it fail then? No, we just grew apart. I'm starting to think you don't want any kind of relationship at all, because you seem deadset on making no effort to finding one.
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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 1:05:00 PM
#286:


Not everybody has to end up married. But if you entered the relationship without the express forethought of when you were going to end it, then yes, the relationship failed. You can sugarcoat it however you want, but unless you actually said to yourself, "I only need a girlfriend for X number of weeks/months/years, then I can dump her because she'll no longer be useful to me," then you are no more special than the rest of us who have experienced failed relationships.

Typically, I go into a relationship with an open mind. Some turn out to be hook-ups, some turn out to be long-term. You don't have to plan everything in advance, and yours is an attitude that women find very unattractive.

Then you're still essentially saying your way is better than his way and he should adapt to your way because your way works and his doesn't. That's what I'm getting from every single post you've made in this topic anyway.

"Works" is the word I'm avoiding, because clearly, his way "works" better if he wants to cling to his silly ideals. From experience, however, I'm arguing that my way is better for his own happiness, if employed at least a little.

You are not very open-minded about other people's ways of thinking, it seems.

I'm not a relativist, no; I maintain that there are better and worse ways of doing things, and that we can understand such choices through well-founded reasoning and argumentation.

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LeonhartFour
11/02/11 1:05:00 PM
#287:


From: Greyfeld | #283
because I don't have that program where I can edit my posts


Editing posts is a standard GameFAQs feature!

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 1:06:00 PM
#288:


man on my first date with my current girlfriend we had a discussion about which eeveeloution was the sexiest. Most girls played pokemon when they were a kid too! Maybe if you were more off color with your conversations, women would surprise you with what they enjoy talking about.

Sorry Santa, but I can guarantee that this women is not very attractive.

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KingButz
11/02/11 1:06:00 PM
#289:


From: Metal_DK | #282
because your first post addressing me was a blatant troll attempt perhaps???

I mean it took you this long for you to realize that i was trolling you? And you kept buying into it.....


I guess I wanted to believe that you really were that much of an idiot. And I actually believe that you aren't getting laid.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 1:07:00 PM
#290:


wg64Z posted...
You know what I meant, Leon.

You can sugarcoat it however you want, but unless you actually said to yourself, "I only need a girlfriend for X number of weeks/months/years, then I can dump her because she'll no longer be useful to me," then you are no more special than the rest of us who have experienced failed relationships.

So what you're saying is people can never change their minds halfway through a relationship? What if I'm deeply in love with someone for a few years then suddenly I have a resounding "meh" feeling towards them. Did it fail then? No, we just grew apart. I'm starting to think you don't want any kind of relationship at all, because you seem deadset on making no effort to finding one.


Thank you for totally putting words in my mouth.

My point is that that situation could have happened no matter how the two people found each other. Regardless of your method, it still ended up as a failed relationship. Which means that your "method" isn't inherently better than mine.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 1:07:00 PM
#291:



man on my first date with my current girlfriend we had a discussion about which eeveeloution was the sexiest. Most girls played pokemon when they were a kid too! Maybe if you were more off color with your conversations, women would surprise you with what they enjoy talking about.


Or maybe I should just start dating children.

I should've opened with this a long time ago because I'm pretty confused now. What gender/orientation are you? You discuss what Eeveelutions are "sexiest?" Wtf?
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LeonhartFour
11/02/11 1:07:00 PM
#292:


From: BoshStrikesBack | #286
I'm not a relativist, no; I maintain that there are better and worse ways of doing things, and that we can understand such choices through well-founded reasoning and argumentation.


The issue is that you think that your ways are the better ways of doing things, so it's sort of a waste of time even arguing with you about this.

Or really much of anything. Because it's not really an open-minded discussion.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 1:07:00 PM
#293:


The issue is that you think that your ways are the better ways of doing things, so it's sort of a waste of time even arguing with you about this.

Did you just not bother to read what I typed? As I said, determining the "best way" is through the process of reasoning and argumentation. If a better argument is presented on the other side, then of course I'll change my mind.

From my experience with you, Leon, you're much less like myself in that regard.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 1:08:00 PM
#294:


LeonhartFour posted...
From: Greyfeld | #283
because I don't have that program where I can edit my posts
Editing posts is a standard GameFAQs feature!


There's no "edit" thingy on my page anywhere >.> Or at least, I haven't seen one.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 1:08:00 PM
#295:


My point is that that situation could have happened no matter how the two people found each other. Regardless of your method, it still ended up as a failed relationship. Which means that your "method" isn't inherently better than mine.

Why are you defining failure in this way? What constitutes "success"? Just marriage?

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 1:09:00 PM
#297:


I guess I wanted to believe that you really were that much of an idiot. And I actually believe that you aren't getting laid.

And guess what? I actually believe that with how defensive youve been in this topic from my posts you havent been laid in your life.

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KingButz
11/02/11 1:10:00 PM
#298:


aw how cute

santa still looks like a pedo

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LeonhartFour
11/02/11 1:10:00 PM
#299:


From: BoshStrikesBack | #293
As I said, determining the "best way" is through the process of reasoning and argumentation. If a better argument is presented on the other side, then of course I'll change my mind.

From my experience with you, Leon, you're much less like myself in that regard.


I've rarely seen you acknowledge the validity of another side's reasoning, to be quite frank, even when it comes to pointless things like video games.

And while I may not "change my mind" very often, I at the very least understand why people are the way they are and like things that they like, even if I don't agree.

And I'm not actively out to change people's minds more often than not. I just enjoy discussion.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 1:10:00 PM
#300:


My point is that that situation could have happened no matter how the two people found each other. Regardless of your method, it still ended up as a failed relationship. Which means that your "method" isn't inherently better than mine.


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