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ExThaNemesis
11/02/11 1:52:00 PM
#351:


From: Metal_DK | #332
extha, you need to get out more. Do you know how many of the people who are playing their gigs at bars have jack **** for money? Most. The good ol "struggling musician" is everywhere in the bar room scene.

Berlusconi is an "alpha male" because he has ****ing money and power. You are acting like hed be fine if he wasnt the prime minister of a country.

And your bar room 60k guy is another bad example. What if the guy with a 60k/70k job walked in a bar with HIS group of friends? YOU are the one strictly defining people here. Its laughable how you cant see that.

Extha: "Guess what guys! All 60/70k a year people with a job have no friends and go to a bar alone!!!!"

Cmon dude.


Okay it seems like we're not too far off in what we actually believe so let's just be clear on some things.

I only stuck with your "tatted up struggling musician" because that's the example you gave. My whole point is that it matters not what you are. Being a musician is actually a huge display of social proof and would hit plenty of female attraction switches, first of all. Why is it that you see girls crowd around dudes who play in bands at a bar after they've finished playing?

But anyway that's besides the point, and please understand that my Berlusconi example was only to prove that ALPHA CHARACTERISTICS (power/fame are some of them) can trump everything (age). Maybe it was a bad example, but it was the first that came to my mind. I guess in the same light, do you think the tatted up musician is going to be picking up girls without his alpha characteristics? No, he isn't.

Certainly if the dude making 70k walked into the bar with his group of friends (hopefully some of them are girls) and was holding court with them, his social proof would be high and he wouldn't come off as a beta. But having social proof like that is an alpha characteristic.

I'm not trying to strictly define anyone, I'm just trying to get you to agree that having a 70k a year salary isn't going to matter without developing the alpha personality around it. Look at SmartMuffin. That dude drives a Lexus and he hasn't touched a vagina since he came out of his mother.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 1:53:00 PM
#352:


wg64Z posted...
The only one looking like an idiot is you.

So would you say that those relationships were all FAILURES?


Absolutely.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 1:54:00 PM
#353:


Huh, guess that makes you a failure then.
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UnderUrMattress
11/02/11 1:54:00 PM
#354:


Meh, maybe it just depends on the tone. Criticism isn't bad.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 1:54:00 PM
#355:


wg64Z posted...
Huh, guess that makes you a failure then.

Sure dude, think whatever you want.

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ExThaNemesis
11/02/11 1:56:00 PM
#357:


From: SantaRPG | #356
to be fair smartmuffin is a special case


He really isn't. There are so many guys that never "got it" kicking around their jobs wondering why girls won't give them the time of day.

Also Metal, if you think Silvio Berlusconi isn't alpa beyond just his money you're crazy. There are plenty of rich dudes who cheat on their wives and have it blow up in their faces. Silvio's family literally DEFENDS HIM for his actions.

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wg64Z
11/02/11 1:57:00 PM
#358:


I'll check back in on this topic later, all the work I avoided doing this whole time is screaming at me.
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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 2:01:00 PM
#359:


Question: instead of "faking it 'til you making it," why not just actually become alpha? This is what I've never understood about the other side; I personally enjoy being socially dominant and in-control, and I have no reservations using and exploiting people for this purpose.

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 2:01:00 PM
#360:


Okay it seems like we're not too far off in what we actually believe so let's just be clear on some things.

I only stuck with your "tatted up struggling musician" because that's the example you gave. My whole point is that it matters not what you are. Being a musician is actually a huge display of social proof and would hit plenty of female attraction switches, first of all. Why is it that you see girls crowd around dudes who play in bands at a bar after they've finished playing?

But anyway that's besides the point, and please understand that my Berlusconi example was only to prove that ALPHA CHARACTERISTICS (power/fame are some of them) can trump everything (age). Maybe it was a bad example, but it was the first that came to my mind. I guess in the same light, do you think the tatted up musician is going to be picking up girls without his alpha characteristics? No, he isn't.

Certainly if the dude making 70k walked into the bar with his group of friends (hopefully some of them are girls) and was holding court with them, his social proof would be high and he wouldn't come off as a beta. But having social proof like that is an alpha characteristic.

I'm not trying to strictly define anyone, I'm just trying to get you to agree that having a 70k a year salary isn't going to matter without developing the alpha personality around it. Look at SmartMuffin. That dude drives a Lexus and he hasn't touched a vagina since he came out of his mother.


i do agree with what you are saying. I THINK where we disagree is how you can still get women if you dont have the "alpha male personality".

I think money and fame can trump "godly social skills and self promoting yourself every minute of the day". And guess what? I think the other way around can work too.

What i will say is this. If you are ever looking for a long term relationship, if you want to stay attractive to a girl you better have a decent job. There is a reason why statistically most women want their boyfriends and husbands to make more money then them. That might change over time, but its the truth right now.

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RyokIes
11/02/11 2:03:00 PM
#361:


RIP bluesharpie

you were so young

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voltch
11/02/11 2:04:00 PM
#362:


Its somehow still on my friends list.

Dat Bluesharpie was a good one.

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RyokIes
11/02/11 2:05:00 PM
#364:


to be fair on the job thing too, my most recent ex got a really sweet job and had an almost 100k inheritance coming his way towards the end of our relationship and i still dumped him because he suddenly turned into a big blubbering vagina and that's completely unattractive

having money certainly doesn't make everything

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RyokIes
11/02/11 2:07:00 PM
#365:


i still have a few other sharpies! there's coral, lavender, orange, and magenta

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neonreaper
11/02/11 2:07:00 PM
#366:


so he was sad that someone died and you dumped him I SEE

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 2:07:00 PM
#367:


Oh hey it's Ryoko

Does my alpha swag turn you on?

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 2:07:00 PM
#368:


BoshStrikesBack posted...
Question: instead of "faking it 'til you making it," why not just actually become alpha? This is what I've never understood about the other side; I personally enjoy being socially dominant and in-control, and I have no reservations using and exploiting people for this purpose.

I don't need to be dominant to feel in-control. I have plenty control over my own actions, that I don't feel the desire to control others'. That's the type of confidence that I stick by, and nothing will change that.

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LOLContests
11/02/11 2:08:00 PM
#369:


I personally enjoy being socially dominant and in-control, and I have no reservations using and exploiting people for this purpose.

Then that says something about your morality.

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 2:08:00 PM
#370:


Also Metal, if you think Silvio Berlusconi isn't alpa beyond just his money you're crazy. There are plenty of rich dudes who cheat on their wives and have it blow up in their faces. Silvio's family literally DEFENDS HIM for his actions.

name me a rich dude on the level of fame that had it blow up in their faces.

Kobe Bryant? Nah, the girl kept him.
Bill Clinton? Nah, even the woman that some feminists look up to kept Bill

I mean the rich business guy who makes 180k a year? Ya that **** happens. But comparing Berlusconi to that is kinda...off.

Silvio's family defends him because they dont want to be out of the spotlight. They know their best chance to remain in that high society is to just admit that he should be able to do what he wants.

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RyokIes
11/02/11 2:09:00 PM
#371:


so turned on

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 2:09:00 PM
#372:


I don't need to be dominant to feel in-control. I have plenty control over my own actions, that I don't feel the desire to control others'. That's the type of confidence that I stick by, and nothing will change that.

You don't have control over getting women, obviously!

And as for the morality comment... yeah, you've got me there. Doesn't bother me though.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 2:09:00 PM
#373:


neonreaper posted...
so he was sad that someone died and you dumped him I SEE

Obviously, being legitimately sad makes you beta *eyeroll*

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ExThaNemesis
11/02/11 2:10:00 PM
#374:


From: Metal_DK | #360
What i will say is this. If you are ever looking for a long term relationship, if you want to stay attractive to a girl you better have a decent job. There is a reason why statistically most women want their boyfriends and husbands to make more money then them. That might change over time, but its the truth right now.


Having a decent job will help you with long term relationships, that was never up for debate tbh. We were initially talking about having sex with attractive college aged girls.

You are spot on that women want their men to make more in marriages though. It's why modern feminism is such a problem. Women want to have their cake and eat it too.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 2:11:00 PM
#375:


BoshStrikesBack posted...
I don't need to be dominant to feel in-control. I have plenty control over my own actions, that I don't feel the desire to control others'. That's the type of confidence that I stick by, and nothing will change that.

You don't have control over getting women, obviously!


Your type of "getting women" is superfluous and unnecessary in my world.

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voltch
11/02/11 2:14:00 PM
#376:


Ryoko is turned on by sharpies, she knows how to use em right.

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 2:15:00 PM
#377:


Having a decent job will help you with long term relationships, that was never up for debate tbh. We were initially talking about having sex with attractive college aged girls.

You are spot on that women want their men to make more in marriages though. It's why modern feminism is such a problem. Women want to have their cake and eat it too.


yay we agree there!

i will say though i wanted you to respond more to the first half of that post. Where i think money and fame can trump amazing social skills and self promotion. I also think the other way around can work too, but you seem to think only social skills can trump all, or at least thats the vibe im getting.

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ExThaNemesis
11/02/11 2:22:00 PM
#378:


From: Metal_DK | #377
i will say though i wanted you to respond more to the first half of that post. Where i think money and fame can trump amazing social skills and self promotion. I also think the other way around can work too, but you seem to think only social skills can trump all, or at least thats the vibe im getting.


I think money and fame are alpha characteristics, to clarify. They kind of all blend into 'power' which is probably the mightiest of them all.

But usually they come with the other alpha characteristics. Like if you're rich and famous and powerful you probably are a self-confident alpha, you know what I'm saying?

Social skills and displaying alpha characteristics can trump all though. You probably won't be walking into a bar and stealing Kobe Bryant's girl, but you can still pick from a wide selection.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 2:31:00 PM
#379:


Your type of "getting women" is superfluous and unnecessary in my world.

You sure about that? I can get women both as hook-ups and long-term, and they tend to be lookers.

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 2:33:00 PM
#380:


BoshStrikesBack posted...
Your type of "getting women" is superfluous and unnecessary in my world.

You sure about that? I can get women both as hook-ups and long-term, and they tend to be lookers.


Good for you. What's your point?

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 2:37:00 PM
#381:


I think money and fame are alpha characteristics, to clarify. They kind of all blend into 'power' which is probably the mightiest of them all.

But usually they come with the other alpha characteristics. Like if you're rich and famous and powerful you probably are a self-confident alpha, you know what I'm saying?

Social skills and displaying alpha characteristics can trump all though. You probably won't be walking into a bar and stealing Kobe Bryant's girl, but you can still pick from a wide selection.


i guess you could argue that money and fame are alpha characteristics. I will say i mentioned that in some of my first posts and nobody really acknowledged it, or they said i was wrong and that an alpha male is the "self promoting guy who looks like he should be on the jersey shore" (for the lack of a better description) .

As for the rich and famous meaning you are a self-confident alpha....eh its debatable. Arent you a giants fan? Eli Manning is far from a self-confident alpha. Its somewhat "anecdotal" and "exception to the rule" bringing him up, but there are plenty of rich and famous people who arent "i deserve all women to sleep with me, im the greatest thing ever" jersey shore types.

And tbh, maybe my 4 years of high school football and track taught me this, but confidence to me isnt about thinking "im the best, you all suck", its about getting others to believe in themselves.

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ExThaNemesis
11/02/11 2:38:00 PM
#382:


From: Greyfeld | #380
Good for you. What's your point?


You may not think that the ability to attract high quality women is a valuable asset, but it is.

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BoshStrikesBack
11/02/11 2:39:00 PM
#383:


Yeah, I'm not so sure I'd consider money and fame "alpha" in-themselves.

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ExThaNemesis
11/02/11 2:40:00 PM
#384:


From: Metal_DK | #381
"self promoting guy who looks like he should be on the jersey shore" (for the lack of a better description) .


woah, and here's our problem. alpha =/= jersey shore wannabe.

It's a completely different concept lol

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Greyfeld
11/02/11 2:40:00 PM
#385:


ExThaNemesis posted...
From: Greyfeld | #380
Good for you. What's your point?
You may not think that the ability to attract high quality women is a valuable asset, but it is.


Your idea of high quality and my idea of high quality obviously differ greatly.

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foolm0ron
11/02/11 2:43:00 PM
#386:


From: RyokIes | #365
i still have a few other sharpies! there's coral, lavender, orange, and magenta


RIP Teal Sharpie

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Metal_DK
11/02/11 2:52:00 PM
#387:


woah, and here's our problem. alpha =/= jersey shore wannabe.

It's a completely different concept lol


maybe for you, but its definitely the vibe i got from MANY posters in this topic. "Being an ass to women 24/7 is the way to go", etc.

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ToukaOone
11/02/11 3:20:00 PM
#388:


two things 1

It's proven to help sustain lasting relationships as well

Where is the data on this? It's been cited often enough that I'm assuming someone has actually gone ahead and looked at it.

2

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