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His character also went from stupid to intelligent organically over the years, so it's hard to separate kayfabe from reality. You feel like he's improving both in and out of the wrestling universe.
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#9 - AJ Styles Nominated by: Mega Mana




Is it? Can it be? It is! The #9 spot is here! For weeks, it's been rumored that the hottest free agent has been heading towards a top ten spot. AJ Styles: the Redneck Rookie. The Champ That Runs the Camp. The Guy Who Is Constantly Searching for Mega Man 4 Cartridges.

Whether you're part of the AJ community or not, you have to admit that his lineage is full of some of the best wrestling and worst booking in the history of the business. Whether he was the fastest-rising champion in the history of New Japan Pro Wrestling or the midcarder-turned-Vince's-favorite thanks to his indomitable in-ring prowess, AJ is such an easy guy to root for. He can be either an underdog or a domineering heel. He can shine as an Everyman or turn you against him as a cruel and manipulative heel. But I think, first and foremost, the thing that separates AJ is his wrestling ability.

Lots of guys do flips. AJ does flips that feel like they matter. And if you give AJ the time to shine and some rope to work with, he'll craft a fantastic match with virtually any partner. The smartest bookers just stand aside and let the pros do their work. And with AJ, if you hand him a dance partner, he'll give you a dance to remember.

The entire brand of AJ has gone from cocky and somewhat stupid upstart in an untested brand to a bastion of wrestling power in the top spots of the top promotion. That's a story worth telling across multiple promotions. From his humble beginnings to his peak performances, AJ has always demonstrated that down-home roll-up-your-sleeves work ethic that ingratiates himself with a fan like me, someone who loves a great story told across decades through different promotions. And you couldn't ask for a happier ending.
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Yeah, I have my Impact, Lucha Underground and New Japan to watch still. Hell, I might even try ROH if I get desperate, but I generally don't enjoy ROH TV that much.
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I don't know, he might come over here and give me a Stunner for my impertinence.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

I'm over crowds who think they're cool by shouting unnecessary stuff. Just watch the damn show or go get some food lol

If there was a mass exodus to the restrooms, it would say a lot more than just shouting shit at the ring.
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So I agree with your perception of Austin in the Hart feud, but that's what made him a good villain to me. He was Magog, Bret was Superman. And Magog wins the crowd in its time, but when you detach yourself from the cultural tendencies of the era, you realize that Magog is just an utter, complete wastrel. Superman isn't perfect, but he's right. His attitude is bad, his points are unassailable. And that's why the feud is just perfect.
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I'm really not interested in watching crowds shit on shows anymore. I've been trending away from the main roster in part due to this. I want to watch a show where the characters aren't constantly contradicted by their audience. That involves smarter writing and wrestling that has an air of impact to it. Sadly, I just can't get that from WWE except in NXT and sometimes on Smackdown.

I wouldn't say I'm a WWE hater. I like a lot of the talent. I just don't enjoy the writing at all anymore. Especially since Wrestlemania, it has been particularly toothless and mediocre. I really get into wrestling for the storytelling first and foremost, but things like an audience that won't even let a match out of the gate becomes frustrating for me at some point. It hurts my investment if I'm watching people shit all over the product. You can just palpably feel when something is hated in the wrong way, and for me, it makes me distance myself from that product in favor of something more exciting, where there is an investment by everyone on-screen.
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Gambling is so insane that I decided in my most recent playthrough to use it as minimally as possible (recruitment purposes). It's definitely got that old school RPG charm where you just abuse the hell out of everything and feel extremely clever when you do.
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#10 - Steve Austin Nominated by: trdl




The ultimate guardian of the DDT, Steve Austin is the man who turned me from a WCW fan to a WWE fan back in the day, and I still regard almost all of his segments on WWE TV fondly. Combine that with an extremely underrated WCW run, and you have a career that for personal purposes naturally ranks highly for me. Or maybe it should rank lowly, given that he stuck me with an interest in WWE that currently has panned out pretty terribly.

An overwhelmingly popular character and the kingpin of wrestling during the industry's highest point, Steve Austin has the distinction of being the biggest draw in wrestling history when it comes to evaluating wrestlers' peaks, and to this day the most popular wrestler of all-time with hardcore wrestling fans. Nobody, not even Hulk Hogan, received the ridiculous amount of universal love from the audience that Austin received in his peak, and although he did not draw for as long as Hogan or Ric Flair, his ride on top of the wrestling world was much more lucrative than either man's respective peaks.

Another thing, and really the reason Austin ranks this high is because he came along during a time when the WWF was in desperate need of a star. WCW was destroying the WWF in the Monday Night Wars and it was not until Austin won the WWF Championship did things finally switch back into the favor of the WWF. Things were very bad for the WWF throughout 1996 and 1997, and it is plausible without the rise of Austin the company could have gone out of business, or at the very least be swallowed up completely by WCW. Hogan may have been the big star that took the WWF national; but that came during a time when Vince McMahon was playing chess while the rest of the regional promoters were playing checkers. Those other promoters did not have the financial resources or the economic understanding to fight off McMahon. But by the 1990s the WWF had a rival that could match (and eventually usurp) them financially and utilized the power of cable TV and PPV in a way that had previously been the exclusive right of the WWF. The WWF needed a hero in the worst way, and Austin came in and swooped up the promotion and was the top star in bringing back from the brink and to the top of the industry once more. By sheer force of talent, Austin may have saved the WWF from extinction; think about that.

Consider some of his iconic feuds: Steamboat, Pillman, Roberts, Rocky, McMahon... Austin is an icon thanks to a host of phenomenal moments with virtually every talent with whom he grappled. There's an objective argument for Austin being one of the all-time greats and a subjective reason why I would rank him this highly, and therefore he kicks off our Top 10.
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No, by version I guess I really meant installment. I bought it and Breath of Fire II at the same time and it was like someone chose to not read what they were typing once it was in the system in both games.

It's a good game, but it feels like a rough draft to Suiko2.
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Yes, go my grammatically inferior edition of Suikoden.
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Count me as someone who is strongly considering dropping all main roster stuff after Roman winning again.

It might be tough, however, given that I really love Takeovers and NXT.
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Waluigi1 posted...

James Avery just knocked that shit out of the park.

Must have been some great jewelry in the movie.
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Lady that low? Surprising.
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3 of the 4 Horsemen in 1995, actually. Just noticed that.

Also, 9 of the 10 guys left worked WCW.
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Rankings So Far:

150. Jenna Morasca
149. Ashley Massaro
148. The Great Khali
147. Krissy Vaine
146. The Final Solution
145. Rhaka Khan
144. Dave Crist
143. Rosa Mendes
142. Jackie Gayda
141. Matt Taven
140. Jinder Mahal
139. Heidenreich
138. Bryan Alvarez
137. Enzo Amore
136. Dan Matha
135. The Boogeyman
134. Vladimir Kozlov
133. Santino Marella
132. Glacier
131. Muhammad Hassan
130. Torrie Wilson
129. James Ellsworth
128. Nikki Bella
127. Jay White
126. The Shockmaster
125. Hornswoggle
124. Kevin Sullivan
123. Steve Blackman
122. Barry Darsow
121. Taylor Wilde
120. Ronda Rousey
119. Bob Holly
118. Chris Kanyon
117. Vickie Guerrero
116. Chase Owens
115. Disco Inferno
114. Sasha Banks
113. MVP
112. Buff Bagwell
111. The Big Boss Man
110. Heath Slater
109. Scott Norton
108. Charlotte Flair
107. Timothy Thatcher
106. Rich Swann
105. Goldust
104. Matt Sydal
103. Kane
102. Bayley
101. Tommaso Ciampa
100. Tyler Bate
99. Taichi
98. Mark Henry
97. Terry Gordy
96. Booker T
95. Vampiro
94. Ron Simmons
93. Dusty Rhodes
92. Dynamite Kid
91. Road Warrior Hawk
90. Raven
89. Alex Wright
88. SANADA
87. WALTER
86. Lou Thesz
85. Hirooki Goto
84. Chuck Taylor
83. Juice Robinson
82. Andre the Giant
81. Maria Kanellis
80. Hayabusa
79. Josh Mathews
78. Jacques Rougeau
77. Toru Yano
76. Triple H
75. Braun Strowman
74. Kevin Nash
73. Sid Vicious
72. EVIL
71. Perry Saturn
70. Daffney
69. Awesome Kong
68. Trish Stratus
67. Miz
66. Terry Funk
65. Kota Ibushi
64. Seth Rollins
63. Bruiser Brody
62. Billy Graham
61. Naomichi Marufuji
60. Brock Lesnar
59. Roderick Strong
58. Undertaker
57. AJ Lee
56. Kairi Sane
55. Chavo Guerrero
54. Randy Savage
53. Ultimo Dragon
52. John Cena
51. Hulk Hogan
50. Shawn Michaels
49. Jeff Hardy
48. Big Show
47. Rey Mysterio
46. Shinsuke Nakamura
45. Kurt Angle
44. Mickie James
43. Mick Foley
42. Jesse Ventura
41. Daniel Bryan
40. Scott Steiner
39. Finn Balor
38. KUSHIDA
37. Mister Perfect
36. Pentagon
35. Hurricane
34. Kazuchika Okada
33. CM Punk
32. Neville
31. Dave Meltzer
30. Ethan Carter III
29. Hiroshi Tanahashi
28. Edge
27. Eddie Guerrero
26. Dan Lambert
25. Tetsuya Naito
24. Matt Hardy
23. Will Ospreay
22. Jushin Liger
21. Becky Lynch
20. Dean Malenko
19. Hiromu Takahashi
18. Bobby Heenan
17. Bret Hart
16. William Regal
15. Eric Bischoff
14. Asuka
13. Lex Luger
12. Minoru Suzuki
11. Kenny Omega

Remaining Wrestlers:

AJ Styles (Mega Mana)
Arn Anderson (Eddv)
Brian Pillman (JONA)
Chris Jericho (Inviso)
Diamond Dallas Page (JONA)
Jake Roberts (Snake)
Ric Flair (Inviso)
Steve Austin (trdl)
Ted DiBiase (JONA)
Tomohiro Ishii (JONA)

The Remaining Nominations by User:
Eddv - 1
Inviso - 1
JONA - 4
Mega Mana - 1
Snake - 1
trdl - 1
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#11 - Kenny Omega Nominated by: CybrMonkey




Is Kenny Omega the best in the world? At the moment, I'd rank him in the top 3 or 4. All-time, objectively, he has the potential. But he's never reached a favorite status for me. He's reached a jaw-dropping awe-inspiring level of wrestling clinician, however. He does so many little things to make a match meaningful. He has an eye for detail. His style gives just a little bit of added realism while at the same time overacting JUST ENOUGH so that emotions are palpable enough without being goofy and unbelievable. It's a fine line to walk. I've always placed a premium on two things in matches: selling a story and selling it as a reality. Following that, doing something memorable is the third most important aspect of a match for me. Kenny does all three of these things at such a high level that it really leaves everyone else in the world in the dust right now. I would say that there are guys who do the memorable aspect better than Kenny, and I'd say there are guys who make a match feel more real than Kenny, but no one sells a story in a match like Kenny. And that's crucial. I watch wrestling for the narratives it weaves, and Kenny is the ultimate storyteller.

One thing that detracts from Kenny for me is his out-of-character personality. I think I run into too many interviews where he is just dull, soft-spoken and not my cup of tea. I look at someone like Cody on the flip side, a worker who is super-engaging and just makes me more interested in watching him. But that's just a minor complaint. The thing is, minor complaints really, really matter at this point. We're almost at the top ten, you and I, and every little distinction I can make is going to prove important.

Omega's matches are always consistently better than anyone else on Earth, but essentially, it's his non-wrestling personality that kicks him out of the Top 10. At some point, I imagine I will bump him into an elite top spot given the insane pedigree of matches he's accruing. Until that point, however, he'll have to be satisfied knowing that I just think of him as almost perfection.
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Suzuki is also a master of comedy, honestly.
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#12 - Minoru Suzuki Nominated by: CybrMonkey




It's been said that Minoru Suzuki is the most terrifying human being in the history of the known universe, and I would concur with that assertion. His brutality and unpredictability make him a monster the likes of which WWE has never come close to creating. Suzuki belongs in the world of the Yakuza games, but instead we've been cursed to fear for our lives as he destroys worker after worker with his phenomenally hard-hitting shoot style.

Minoru Suzuki is one of the greatest wrestlers I have ever seen. He is fully in tune with his heel character from his wrestling style to pre/post match antics to even how he behaves in press conferences. On top of that he's one of the greatest technical wrestlers, has a ton of great matches, and is one of the few heels that even the smartest fans will say they are completely terrified of. He's definitely like Top 5 in the world right now, at least for heels, but he's putting in a bid for one of the greatest ever.

And also, the Ishii/Suzuki feud? I'm more excited for that match than I was for any Okada/Omega bout. That's going to feature punches that reverberate on Saturn's rings.
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I watched a match featuring the next entry on the list tonight.
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Inb4 DC's exciting new Rann-Thanagar War movie.
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I heard he refused to give Silver Surfer a surfboard.
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Queen's Boulevard is REALLY overrated. I saw Medellin and I can tell you, he's not in the same league as Jake.
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bryans7 posted...

Heroic Bigpun posted...

The rock is in this right?

Even though he was cast as Black Adam, it wasn't for this movie. He might appear in a cameo but I don't believe he will be a major part of the movie.

The word was that they would do a solo Black Adam movie and then a Shazam sequel with both.
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If my line of work was listening to people talk about politics all the time, I would also be an alcoholic.
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Corrik posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

DC Comics is bashing you?

Ya They were not happy that I said

MoS
BvS
WW

Justice League

Suicide Squad

Was the proper rankings of their DCEU movies.

I mean, that's actually secretly my ranking of DCEU movies so I will join you in the bashing.
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Corrik posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

I still think the MAGA hat guy was drunk probably and he was kicked out for being too drunk to ride.

I know you are just shitposting, but there was 3 of them. Going to a political event.

I know I would have to be pretty drunk to waste my time at an event where people spend the entire time talking about politics.
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DC Comics is bashing you?
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I still think the MAGA hat guy was drunk probably and he was kicked out for being too drunk to ride.
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davidponte posted...

Nothing will beat Vinnie Chase's Aquaman movie, but I'm cautiously optimistic about this one.

The sequel starred Jake Gyllenhall.
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Corrik posted...

Mobilezoid posted...

Politics aren't a protected belief.

Also Corrik please use one of the several politics topics for this junk, I don't want to have to put you on ignore.

You can ignore me, bud. If you simply cannot not open topics you do not wish to post in, that is a you issue. I will not be told I have to post in specific topics.

You should use the topic flairs, however. Your title literally says politics and yet you didn't use the flair.
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Next year we need to just do a Comic-Con announcement thread.

Excited for this one.
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No. Please let expectations be possibly shattered later :(
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I'm kind of impressed how much Chuck ended up looking like Shazam.
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They are in the sense that they met one time for about 15 seconds when Voldemort killed him. I think this has a pretty significant separation from the previous series.
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Anagram posted...

I wish they'd done a new story unrelated to Voldemort, but eh.

I must be missing where this is about Voldemort, because he isn't even born yet in this movie.
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Dark Young Link posted...

I'd vote for Luthur in 2000 if it meant we got our shit together by 2004. But then I'd be a comic book character and there's a 90% chance I'd be trying to subjugate the world under my rule so I shouldn't be trusted >_>

See, the problem is that by 2004, Luthor had turned on Superman AND Batman and constructed a giant spaceship in the form of a hybrid of both men designed to explode a kryptonite meteor over the country. He followed this by creating a massive task force with the intent of capturing and imprisoning both men. He was impeached and Pete Ross, his vice president took over.

But there was a downswing in teen superheroics during his administration!
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WickIebee posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

WickIebee posted...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I trusted you Scarlet!

Denny Crane

Woooooow.

Donny Crane

Not even genetically related to Denny Crane.

"I used to be your son, remember?"
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WickIebee posted...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I trusted you Scarlet!

Denny Crane

Woooooow.

Donny Crane
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You either close your account a hero or you post long enough to become an Ulti.
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I would have a hard time thinking of crowd songs I like, honestly.
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MenuWars posted...

I'm kind of stuck in a loop politically where I only criticise the right, because it's been years since I've had something positive to say, and yet because I don't want to label everyone a racist, sexist piece of shit, I'm still a nazi, but also a cuck.

...and the amount of people I see it happening to is staggering. Where's the centre party for "fuck of y'all you're mental"?

Those are the people who voted for this guy in 2000:

https://fsmedia.imgix.net/9a/fd/93/33/c302/42cc/9549/811a489f2bdb/1417292433951.jpeg
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Did it occur to anyone that they might just be drunks and Corrik's fears from his previous Uber topic has been realized?
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Bruce Willis was dead the whole time
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Yeah, this should have been tagged with the Politics flair.
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I'm going with 3 Metal Gear characters in the Top 50. Probably enough variety that they can't clinch more spots.
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MenuWars posted...

I've been away for awhile, was there any discussion here over the Jessica Price firing? What was the general consensus?

Ulti supported it, Foolmo did not. Everyone else left the thread.
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:D

Shit, Lopen is blocked by someone?
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Damn, am I actually on ignore by someone?
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LeonhartFour posted...

he's seen it coming since 2009 when the comment was originally made

He's an astute observer like Metal_DK
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