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Apologies I was supposed to go to Disneyland today but since family I was counting on to watch my dog decided they were going to go somewhere today instead I went to Disneyland yesterday. So I got home and am trying to rush these write-ups which I thought I had a whole day to do.

(I've gotten 15 done in the last couple of hours).

I am absolutely dead but tired but I am determined I will finish before I sleep.

I probably wouldnt mind a short extension though.

I have 8 movies left that I haven't seen.

Sorry I'm starting on this now I swear(I've seen 8 of these before. At least two of which I can safely say were bad).

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Expecting a company to care about anything beyond money was definitely a trap people fell into. Dominion was never your friend.

Whatever lawsuit by whatever company you are putting your hopes on now. They are probably not your friend either.

They like the publicity, they like the money coming in. They don't give a shit about fox news beyond their own potential financial gain.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

(which, besides being an absolutely horrendous thing to do to the women of his state, is also probably an incredibly stupid thing to do for his presidential hopes?)

No, the key to the Republican base is to control the various mixes of racist religious fanatics.

It plays like crap in the general but winning the nomination is a different story. Mind you, I don't think anyone has a chance of taking those voters away from Trump, but the idea is right. Where they messed up was by playing up the 2020 election fraud story. If they took all the crazy and removed that, they paint the picture of Trump being a loser and they get to try to play at the fanatical base.

htaeD posted...

I mean I was wondering why you didnt want to lynch me right away after a while, but I was not gonna ask lol

You set off literally every death flag I could think of. You spent the whole last day saying "Yes, I want to lynch everyone".

Not in the way you are thinking, but literally from a direction for some reason you are choosing to ignore.

Lopen posted...

I get what you're saying I'm just saying it's a cop out so you can pretend you played well and no matter how ironclad the case for you being town is it's not as likely to convince anyone as finding a rock solid case on someone else being scum.

To give you a serious reply. Thats exactly what I was fucking doing. Preventing anyone from thinking they have a rock solid case that I'm scum(One didn't exist) is all town needed to win.

Lopen your definition of a rock solid case of someone being scum is literally the idea that a mafia godfather bussed a roleblocker into a town so they could vigilante a vanilla that they thought was a kingmaker. (These words are literally random, they have no meaning whatsoever)

So I take your words with a grain of bad salt.

masterplum posted...

I dont think I ever lynch Red, but I do probably No lynch to oblivion for kicks and giggles

I would have absolutely pushed the host to the limit for fun if possible.

Lopen posted...

You saying "I know I'm town" isn't as convincing as you think it is red.

I never used it in that context. I was literally telling people to bring up anything in the game to point to me being scum. I wanted it out front and in the open so I could deal with it before it became a problem(And I did in fact read back all my posts, literally everything was pretty fucking pro town). I needed to make sure no one was going to conspiracy brain something in a pinch so I wanted the discussion in a situation with less pressure.

Lopen posted...

Basically anything before Plum started destroying him. You had 3/4 of the day where Death needed help to get lynched and you did nothing to solve the 50/50 choice. If IGCD gets lynched first I'm pretty confident you're next.

Again, your just ignoring basic game theory. Its a 50/50 choice. My primary concern is making sure it doesn't become a 33/33/33 choice. Beyond that it is a win. It is simple logic.

Sorry I look at mafia first and foremost as a game of logic, I know your cloudy conspiracy brain has trouble contemplating it, but that is how I play. It works.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I cant believe you people killed MZero. He caught me asap and thats how he was rewarded for it. Brutal. Also we really did think Lea slipped due to flavor.

We weren't hunting for your team. Two scumteams definitely throws a big wrench in the PoE. The list of people that couldn't be mishima was huge. G Corp was a lot more open ended.

I would have lynched IGCD and Death in any order. I didn't care beyond not getting a misylnch of myself.

I don't know what work you think was actually needing to be accomplished beyond what happened.

As I said, the most important thing wasn't IGCD lynching me. It was making sure the entirety of town didn't lynch me. I needed that discussion to happen now(And in fact, I wanted it to happen the day before).

Lopen posted...

I was criticizing you for doing no real solving of the game when left alive that long actually.

What part did I not solve? I had my own PoE down to 2 with 2 lynches left.

EDumey posted...

I kind of wish that I had found a better lynch target than Kirby since having both teams alive a little longer would have been better, but I think if I didn't push for Kirby there, then Death was the one getting lynched. So it was a damned if you do, damned if you don't. Oh well.

I think bussing is the right call there actually. Its not a great option, but killing off the other team was probably the worst scenario there. Keeping 2 kills a night up is real important when playing from behind.

If I threw my fake tracker claim out way back, the track was "IGCD went nowhere". But I lost confidence on that read when two teams were revealed. Didn't want to get trapped.

I also desperately wanted to claim "Jack, Town Jack".

I completely abandoned the plan because of the aforementioned "Jack is GCorp" flavor talk. So decided to just stick to either vanilla or honesty(Dumey's claim forced the honesty.) I think "scum jack" would have looked like a real appealing lynch to a lot of people.

(That isn't to say the game wasn't interesting, I had fun at least)

Both scumteams hunting each other so hard is interesting reading their discords. Would have been a much more interesting game if each team decided to commit to killing town.

Also Lopen was criticizing me in dead down chat for going off about not wanting to get lynched. I stand by fighting like hell there being the right play.

I knew at that point scum needs me mislynched to win(And if you read GCorp chat, you can see this was on the money). I'm not about to let that happen. I'd rather have the fight now when the day is not all that contested than push that to later when everyone is feeling pressure.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Also it was very nice to have the rule about not discussing the replacement and I think that should always be a rule.

I'm pretty sure it basically is a rule. At the very least, you should never be talking about this in context other than things in the game itself.

Kirby321 posted...

If only I had realized sooner that Lea was town and not G Corp. I think that singlehandedly caused me to make some very questionable plays lol

I told you Lea was town early on day 1. I wasn't lying when I said I trusted the shit out of myself that day. It would have taken a lot to get me t lynch Lea in any circumstances.

ctesjbuvf posted...

The only thing I would probably change was make the town bulletproof someone other than Jack-8, because he's actually part of G-Corp, it could've served as a flavor trap and that was not the intention. Tekken characters are not as simple to devide into factions as a mafia game needs them to be.

I was aware of this and playing intentionally dumb to it. Just didn't want to have to deal.

As I have sleep deprived myself slightly, no lynch is actually preferred to me right now. I'm about to pass out and it may be like a 12 hour or so sleep.

Angry, no. Disappointed, yes. Mzero's responses were starting to raise flags with me and I really wanted his opinions out in the open. I probably should have pressed harder but I was busy cleaning up the house for Easter.

And I can safely say at least most of town is taking this game for granted. Theres at least two of you that are like "oh yeah Red BP makes no sense hes scum". I know your fucking wrong. That means if you follow through on that then town has -1- mislynch from losing and a PoE more than open enough to be wrong in a final 4.

So yeah, I don't fucking want to be lynched. And yes, I know the setup meta some of you have floated is wrong. So yes, I'm fucking interested in some of you reading back the game and telling me what exactly I did that looks even remotely scummy(The answer is, nothing, btw). But if none of you are giving a shit enough to read back the game and giving me the ability to assort who is trying to make shit up and who has legitimate reads, yeah, the game is harder.

I'm not asking you to do this just for the purpose of "Oh yeah red is town". I want people to put a fucking trail and legitimate gameplay on the table. Because surprise the game didn't fucking end with Mzero dying.

And if you want POE, you are watcher with Ninja's, that means you are confirmed. Plum has an innocent scan. Barring double godfather(Which would be fairly mean), we can probably say plum is town even though he continues to make me nervous with his disinterest.

That leaves Lea/Death/IGCD.

Lea is my early possible townread. I like that. I like it a lot less since the two team split was revealed, but whatever.

That leaves probably death/IGCD.

I am more wishy washy now because I greatly disliked the end of day with Death/Lea prematurely ending the day. I would much prefer people talking and fighting so that I can get a feel of where people stand but we haven't had that in awhile. It was a big reason I wanted Mzero to fight because people know that while I'm not really conspiratorial, I am often quite skeptical. If he was town(Which apparently he was), I would have loved for him to try to put more cards on the table for people to play with.

Hell I'm pretty sure I pointed out to I believe it was Peaf immediately on his flavor claim that it looked scummy as heck. When flavor doesn't matter usually the people most invested in it are scum trying to look townie(And no Isquen, I'm not calling you scum, I'm calling your play right now less than productive in a positive manner.).

For the record my flavor is Jack-8. This means absolutely nothing to me. I'm not about to paraphrase shit.

Isquen posted...

Give us LITERALLY any reads on others or PoE then, because you sure as hell haven't acted like town for the past few days. I've also asked for a flavor claim and I don't recall if you bothered giving one (ditto Death), something that may even justify being a BP claim, but you're just baiting out a vote out of being sheer contrariness. Give us your PoE. Give us mathematics, like why voting anyone today at all is stupid. Something that works, not "fuck you I'm town."

If my flavor makes any sort of a difference to you, well, you just aren't a very good player, tbh. Either I'm town with shitty or on the mark flavor or I'm scum with a big safelist and the cooperative power of 2 other heads to pick.

It is complete null tell. There are times I give a shit about flavor. And there are times I don't fucking care. This game, to my knowledge, has no flavor scans, no flavor interactions. I give 0 shits about it. I remember checking it at some point for fake claims way back when, but that was days ago.

I would have given more yesterday. Now the game is complicated and I need to know where people stand. And when I have people(Isquen) that have to be town trying to throw the game by suspecting me for reasons I cant contemplate, my first order of business is telling them they are being fucking stupid for suspecting me. So yeah, excuse me for having concerns about dying in the opening hours of the day more than I am lynching scum. Because there theoretically should be enough people alive where we can't lose, but if we lynch me everything is fucked.

And I'd do this for you but I've read most of my posts and don't know what your fucking problem is. My answer to what makes me not scum involving my posts basically amounts to "everything". So go back, read the shit, and realize I'm fucking town because holy shit.

I didn't say it wasn't hostile. I'm hostile as fuck. But for me, this isn't even going a little bit down the hostile rabbit hole.

Also logical leap worth a damn? I'm saying I don't think you can fucking justify me as scum and to go read back the game and realize it. This isn't a logical leap.

Basically, you are going "red is BP that doesn't fit in my mind he must be scum" and I'm going "well I fucking know I'm BP you dumby you are wrong", so I'm going to need you to go back, read my posts in this game and realize the idea of me being scum is fucking ridiculous. So hurry the fuck up.

Again, I'll tell you the same thing I told to mzero when he was trying to lynch me. Go back, read all my posts from this game, and then try to say you somehow think I'm scum.

(I'm a little salty that Lea and Death hammered, because a continuing day likely would have been productive. I literally said I wanted him to try and then they showed up and decided to hammer).

IfGodCouldDie posted...

You're right, it is based on setup because I think it is a reasonable place to look at this moment. You haven't done anything to convince me you're town so why would I give you any sort of leeway?

I don't buy that you've actually read back the game, tbh.

Lol overly hostile. If you think I'm overly hostile lol.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

"Oh hey guys you know that player we are batching about not making an effort, here he is making an effort but I don't deem it an acceptable effort so im going to shit on him."

You didn't put any effort. You were like "rar BP means red is scum" but none of this is based on anything I've actually read about red in the game so you know whatever vote.

So yeah I'm going to shit on you for it.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

##Vote: Red

as I said yesterday I think BP is the power that does not fit.

What a dumb reason to lynch someone. IGCD, master of game balance.

Tell me how I fit as scum and then try to vote me. You haven't even made a small attempt. Hell there is a decent argument to be made that of all the people in this game you have attempted to actually play the least.

htaeD posted...

Its true that things might have gone way worse for us if Ulti hadnt melted down and/or we didnt massclaim (sorta)

Ideal scenario would have been Lopen claim(Since he was outed to scum) and Isquen keep watcher in his pocket. Don't think we really gained anything from the mass.

MZero posted...

it's weird that you left out BP

BP doesn't involve keeping scanners alive.

Cop+Watcher+Doctor+death delayer vs only 1 strongman still makes backup hard to believe.

Honestly doctor feels the most out of place if I were completely blind to anything that went on in the game. But 3 scanners, a way to delay death(counters strongman), and only 1 strongman definitely feels like possibly too much.

Anyway doing due diligence, what sort of roles could you backup mzero?

MZero posted...

No I targeted EDumey so I could confirm his power and scan whoever he targeted in the process as a two-for-one special, plus maybe catch him in a lie if he claimed to use it on someone else (or if Isquen caught him but I admittedly didn't think of that"

It seemed like the highest value action

Seemed incredibly low value actually. Hell Corrik gave you a reasonable option that would confirm a bunch of people and have you scan someone else to give us maximum information to work with. Not sure what you would gain by supposedly targeting Dumey

Thought the movie was fine. Definitely sucks that Illumination is content to keep things around 90 minutes. Plenty of things that really could have used some length and we've definitely seen plenty of recent animated movies use an extra 15-25 minutes effectively.

I just want to get a sequel so that there can be a movie with lots of Yoshi.

At worst you end it now and day starts on easter and we have basically a whole 40 hours of not-easter for the day.

Death why. Just end it now.