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Corrik posted...

He said, they should be allowed to state their belief for it if they believe it. Nothing more.

Kinglicious posted...

But they are ideas not every generation has heard. If you've heard their taking points before then okay, you've heard out and rejected them already. Somebody else can now too.

That's past why they should be allowed to say it and why people should hear it. That's literally why you're supposed to have history lessons.
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Ffs, Corrik. The point is that you don't need to keep repeating history to learn from it. I never said Wang said that.

Would you prefer I had gone with feudalism or barbarism or something?
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Guys, we should bring back slavery. We can't possibly tell how awful that was without experiencing it!
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Anagram posted...

or about Friends

Rank the Friends main cast?
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I'm sure Trump has said things in his book that he then later contradicted.
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Kinglicious posted...

Where do you see that?

How is advocating for people to say the same things over and over like society didn't learn from it before anything but not learning from the past? Or, in other words:

StealThisSheen posted...

A history lesson can do that just fine.

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Yeah, we brought up what Cruz said. He came out with that really quickly.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

I've been away all weekend, have any of our resident conservatives stated even the mildest condemnation of the Charlottesville nazis?

I believe ulti, actually, has condemned them the hardest. I was luckily offline for most of the weekend.

Ulti actually celebrated it until he got called out on it. Then he shifted gears and tossed in condemnation with a big sprinkle of "But the left does it, too!"

Corrik's been the best by far.

Ulti used the excuses of "I just thought liberals got beat up" and "I just thought it was a conservative rally" when he switched heard despite us repeatedly telling him these things.
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Wang, you are now literally arguing against learning from history. What are you doing, man?
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"Surprising" silence from the cultural Vlados here.
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Hell, I'm soft-balling this for you. Tell me any relevant work experience the guy had before 2017. That's a pretty low bar for your claim.
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No, you see, I'm ignoring the ad hominem and asking you to support the one tangible claim you've made.
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Lol, what?
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Not what I said. You called him a veteran, not me. You shouldn't need to defend your blatant hyperbole to point to work experience before January.
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Wang, your first instinct when seeing a video of a car hitting people is to complain about the guy who just witnessed it assuming his identity. Even if he somehow ended up being wrong, your search for the devil in the details completely ignores any allowance for basic empathy.
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kevwaffles posted...

I can't even find a source saying what this guy did before being hired by Flynn, so unless your definition of veteran is "months" then I'd love to know where you're getting that from.

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Brush off vanity and show reality! Ultima!
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/joenbc/status/894536930121187328

Morning Joe has found the true scapegoat

He did tweet that a week ago, just so we don't go thinking that's a response to what happened.

Still, total bullshit.
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Episode 3 was small time.

THE Nine Inch Nails!
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MenuWars posted...

But I guess the topic would've stagnated if everyone had gone yeah those Nazis suck, fuck those guys, or something... idk.

Ya know what. I can live with that.
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pjbasis posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

I mean the simplest solution is that he himself agrees with those views.

This is a microcosm of what bothers me so much about these topics. It's like a witch hunt.

I would need to think about how to word it, but there's this paranoia that makes me kind of disgusted. I made some post that didn't agree completely with some people and a whole discussion took place over whether I was some alt account of what, I presume, was some alt-right defender/troll.

It's not rational man.

I mean, first, you're sort of ignoring the rest of that post and the tons of others that don't use that explanation for Wang to make this point. Second, you're clearly not an alt so I'm not sure where that would have come from.

Edit: Ah, didn't see Jaky's post at first.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Wanglicious posted...

that was quick.
facebook antifa guy confirmed to being a completely different person with a really unfortunate name.

Internet sleuths wrong again

More at 11

They might have found the person they were meant to find. Either way, seems pretty obvious that a car you can't see through the windows used to mow people over might not have legitimate license plates.
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greengravy294 posted...

No thanks but a non Caucasian James Bond I'd be cool with

As long as we just sort of ignore the race change the same way used to ignore the changing hair color and eternal youth to avoid constant reboots, this is fine.
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Jakyl25 posted...

SupremeZero posted...

Meanwhile, the donald has decided that this rally is actually a fake by leftists to make the right look bad.

Yes really.

I'm kind of shocked they can even acknowledge that it looks bad

It's not that surprising. This is where Ulti kept getting "false flags" from during the election.
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I can't even find a source saying what this guy did before being hired by Flynn, so unless your definition of veteran is "months" then I'd love to know where you're getting that from.
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This isn't a conservative rally, Ulti. This isn't a Trump rally. These are literal and self-proclaimed Neo-Nazis shouting shit like "Down with f*****s!"

And all anyone is talking about right now is the car running people over, so stfu you just happened to show up hearing that liberals got there asses beat (which never even happened at all afaik).
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Wanglicious posted...

you're... going to identify a guy as a nazi from the way he looks? i don't understand what you're talking about here, one of the first questions people had among the breaking of the story was "who attacked who?" what affiliation did A have, what affiliation did B have. that's fairly normal in anything that may be intentional. if A is unknown, it's right to say "A is unknown," you don't want to make a bad situation worse.

First, it would give you an idea if it's a possibility. If you saw a black guy driving and he said that you would be saying he's wrong instead of just saying he's assuming.

Second, I'm not buying this "I've never noticed you can see people through a window most the time" argument. I don't care if you've never seen a car in your damn life.

You latched onto whatever you could because you're you. If this is really as "innocent" as you want to make it out to be, then just stop doing it. Or at least give things some time before doing it.
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transience posted...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-accused-inflaming-racial-tensions-violent-clashes-in-charlottesville-virginia-white-a7890351.html

I have to agree with Wang - I would be more focused on the car being used as an act of murder than worrying about the windows. I wouldn't agree with anything else he's saying, but I think he's also stepping back from his initial remarks after seeing more evidence showing that this is an act of murder/terrorism/however you want to frame it.

I would too, but if you want to harp on details to play devil's advocate in the first place, then don't ignore the obvious ones.
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Common sense in the fact you can only bitch about assuming his identity BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE THE DRIVER IN THE FIRST PLACE.

For fuck's sake, dude.
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Wang, don't use the fact I brought up legality as an excuse to abandon all common sense.
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Wanglicious posted...

didn't notice the windows. and i don't know anything about stuff legal or illegal with cars - i'm from NYC. we don't drive if we live here.

You don't need to drive in NYC to know that you can typically clearly see a driver that you're less than 5 feet away from through the windows. In fact, a pedestrian in NYC should know that better than anyone. Plus the fact the guy recording the video talked about them being tinted, but you chose to harp on "assuming his identity" of all things because you're you.
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Wang, even without the different angle there's a reason that car had (what in most places is) an illegal level of tinting on the windows.

Seriously, reexamine your life and the battles you pick.
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JonThePenguin posted...

kevwaffles posted...

There's also the fact that Bond is usually supposed to be the same Bond when they switch actors. The reboot with Casino Royale was not only fine but welcome for multiple reasons, but I really don't want that every time they change actors.

I always liked the theory that every actor change was a new agent assigned the James Bond/007 identity. But I hear one of the Daniel Craig movies put the hard kibosh on that.

I mean the fact that Sean Connery came back after George Lazenby flies in the face of that. Plus that it's hard in the SPECTRE plot for both of them.
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I hear it's a valid defense in court.
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I generally find genderswapping a sign of lazy writing that rarely gets handled well, even if the concept itself isn't necessarily flawed. That said, I agree with Ryo and Scarlet.

There's also the fact that Bond is usually supposed to be the same Bond when they switch actors. The reboot with Casino Royale was not only fine but welcome for multiple reasons, but I really don't want that every time they change actors.
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I'm sure "to her" is the implication there.
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Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
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At least Kim has theoretically understood this fact his whole life. It's the reason why they don't just bomb the shit out of South Korea. They didn't need nukes to do that.

The fact that China felt the need to state this fact that anyone who has been paying the least bit of attention sometime in the past 60 years should already know probably isn't so much because of him.
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I mean these are the people that created propagated pizzagate. There's 0 chance they don't use this.
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We're gonna build a wall! And we're gonna make the Titans pay for it!
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Don't believe in yourself, Mitch!

Believe in the Trump that believes in you!
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Corrik posted...

HashtagSEP posted...

Corrik posted...

Wanglicious posted...

honestly, the argument of 52% or 40% or whatever doesn't really matter. even if it's off by some and isn't quite over half i'm not going to doubt that a very significant chunk of republicans feel that way. similarly i wouldn't have doubted that a vast majority of democrats would've preferred a third Obama term over Hillary or Trump. that wouldn't shock me if it were 60%+ quite frankly, with a good chunk of that being fine with the same thing proposed here. so the idea of Trump having a good chunk willing to suspend? well yeah, 70-80% of the republican base supports him, he is the representative of the party. they may not like everything he does but they like enough (way more than Mitch, that's for sure). net result, they'll have no problem with more years with him: it means no dems and he continues to dominate.


in the end it's a silly poll to have mind you, it's still 2017. run that poll again in 2019, when it'd actually represent something after most of a presidential term. right now there's still a "Trump high" because he's constantly in the news and doing things many of them like. it's the impression that he's doing stuff when he's really not.

Data provided to The Hill by the conservative polling outlet WPA Research found that 67 percent of Democrats would take a third term for Obama over a potential Clinton administration.

Only 28 percent said they're ready to move on from the Obama White House, while 6 percent are undecided.

So are you saying that you believe that, but somehow don't believe the poll about Republicans?

Did you read the bold?

jfc
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That's a pretty large-scale effort over a longer period of time than just this one poll by more than just those 650 people to fuck with statistics for shits and giggles for that scenario to be of any meaning, Corrik.
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Yeah, I'm not disagreeing, just clarifying.
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Metal_DK posted...

The poll was 1325 republicans, about half said theyd be fine with postponing the 2020 election. I was assuming they didnt "throw out" anything, they just looked at the fucking people who said theyd be fine with Trump/government as a whole postponing the 2020 election.

No, the 650 is the Repulicans surveyed like people were saying.

The survey interviewed a sample of 1,325 Americans from June 5 through 20. Respondents were recruited from the Qualtrics online panel who had previously reported identifying with or leaning toward one of the two major parties. We focus on the 650 respondents who identify with or lean toward the Republican Party. The sample has been weighted to match the population in terms of sex, age, race and education.

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Seriously, ignore Corrik about any discussion involving statistics. He thinks anything short of a census has too small a sample size.
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