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LapisLazuli
08/10/17 1:21:17 PM
#402:


Admitting something is bait would defeat the purpose.
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Corrik
08/10/17 1:22:27 PM
#403:


Wanglicious posted...
honestly, the argument of 52% or 40% or whatever doesn't really matter. even if it's off by some and isn't quite over half i'm not going to doubt that a very significant chunk of republicans feel that way. similarly i wouldn't have doubted that a vast majority of democrats would've preferred a third Obama term over Hillary or Trump. that wouldn't shock me if it were 60%+ quite frankly, with a good chunk of that being fine with the same thing proposed here. so the idea of Trump having a good chunk willing to suspend? well yeah, 70-80% of the republican base supports him, he is the representative of the party. they may not like everything he does but they like enough (way more than Mitch, that's for sure). net result, they'll have no problem with more years with him: it means no dems and he continues to dominate.


in the end it's a silly poll to have mind you, it's still 2017. run that poll again in 2019, when it'd actually represent something after most of a presidential term. right now there's still a "Trump high" because he's constantly in the news and doing things many of them like. it's the impression that he's doing stuff when he's really not.

Data provided to The Hill by the conservative polling outlet WPA Research found that 67 percent of Democrats would take a third term for Obama over a potential Clinton administration.

Only 28 percent said they're ready to move on from the Obama White House, while 6 percent are undecided.
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HashtagSEP
08/10/17 1:24:07 PM
#404:


Corrik posted...
Wanglicious posted...
honestly, the argument of 52% or 40% or whatever doesn't really matter. even if it's off by some and isn't quite over half i'm not going to doubt that a very significant chunk of republicans feel that way. similarly i wouldn't have doubted that a vast majority of democrats would've preferred a third Obama term over Hillary or Trump. that wouldn't shock me if it were 60%+ quite frankly, with a good chunk of that being fine with the same thing proposed here. so the idea of Trump having a good chunk willing to suspend? well yeah, 70-80% of the republican base supports him, he is the representative of the party. they may not like everything he does but they like enough (way more than Mitch, that's for sure). net result, they'll have no problem with more years with him: it means no dems and he continues to dominate.


in the end it's a silly poll to have mind you, it's still 2017. run that poll again in 2019, when it'd actually represent something after most of a presidential term. right now there's still a "Trump high" because he's constantly in the news and doing things many of them like. it's the impression that he's doing stuff when he's really not.

Data provided to The Hill by the conservative polling outlet WPA Research found that 67 percent of Democrats would take a third term for Obama over a potential Clinton administration.

Only 28 percent said they're ready to move on from the Obama White House, while 6 percent are undecided.


So are you saying that you believe that, but somehow don't believe the poll about Republicans?
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red sox 777
08/10/17 1:26:38 PM
#405:


LapisLazuli posted...
Admitting something is bait would defeat the purpose.


No, it really wouldn't. It would be really interesting, actually, to test how far Democrats will go to take the bait.

Like, suppose DJT offered to resign in 6 months if fewer people criticized him on the internet than Hillary Clinton in that time. Would that get Democrats to stop criticizing him?

I'm thinking it wouldn't, at this point.
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Metal_DK
08/10/17 1:28:15 PM
#406:


Also to be fair, third term obama is different from putting an election on hold. I'm assuming they mean Obama runs on a 3rd term and wins. Not just they give him a 3rd term w/out an election.
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Kenri
08/10/17 1:32:27 PM
#407:


red sox 777 posted...
That's kind of sad. My post was not bait at all . Nor is Paul Romer's paper, as far as I can tell.

It's almost like you have a history here that is guiding how people treat your posts, even ostensibly serious ones.
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Corrik
08/10/17 1:34:45 PM
#408:


HashtagSEP posted...
Corrik posted...
Wanglicious posted...
honestly, the argument of 52% or 40% or whatever doesn't really matter. even if it's off by some and isn't quite over half i'm not going to doubt that a very significant chunk of republicans feel that way. similarly i wouldn't have doubted that a vast majority of democrats would've preferred a third Obama term over Hillary or Trump. that wouldn't shock me if it were 60%+ quite frankly, with a good chunk of that being fine with the same thing proposed here. so the idea of Trump having a good chunk willing to suspend? well yeah, 70-80% of the republican base supports him, he is the representative of the party. they may not like everything he does but they like enough (way more than Mitch, that's for sure). net result, they'll have no problem with more years with him: it means no dems and he continues to dominate.


in the end it's a silly poll to have mind you, it's still 2017. run that poll again in 2019, when it'd actually represent something after most of a presidential term. right now there's still a "Trump high" because he's constantly in the news and doing things many of them like. it's the impression that he's doing stuff when he's really not.

Data provided to The Hill by the conservative polling outlet WPA Research found that 67 percent of Democrats would take a third term for Obama over a potential Clinton administration.

Only 28 percent said they're ready to move on from the Obama White House, while 6 percent are undecided.


So are you saying that you believe that, but somehow don't believe the poll about Republicans?

Did you read the bold?
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Peace___Frog
08/10/17 1:36:27 PM
#409:


I've read that paper as part of my studies. You're talking to people here who don't hold mathematics or economics as hobbies, but as careers. You're misconstruing different aspects of the paper, first and foremost, and second you're complaining about a problem and then going "since we can't be perfect we might as well not try."

It's asinine to take any study as a proper representation of what it's trying to measure. The aim is to estimate a range. We can be fairly sure that a nonzero amount of republicans favor not having am election in 2020, and that's what the discuss here was revolving around before you brought your pseudo intellectual "devil's advocate" bullshit in.
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kevwaffles
08/10/17 1:43:29 PM
#410:


Corrik posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
Corrik posted...
Wanglicious posted...
honestly, the argument of 52% or 40% or whatever doesn't really matter. even if it's off by some and isn't quite over half i'm not going to doubt that a very significant chunk of republicans feel that way. similarly i wouldn't have doubted that a vast majority of democrats would've preferred a third Obama term over Hillary or Trump. that wouldn't shock me if it were 60%+ quite frankly, with a good chunk of that being fine with the same thing proposed here. so the idea of Trump having a good chunk willing to suspend? well yeah, 70-80% of the republican base supports him, he is the representative of the party. they may not like everything he does but they like enough (way more than Mitch, that's for sure). net result, they'll have no problem with more years with him: it means no dems and he continues to dominate.


in the end it's a silly poll to have mind you, it's still 2017. run that poll again in 2019, when it'd actually represent something after most of a presidential term. right now there's still a "Trump high" because he's constantly in the news and doing things many of them like. it's the impression that he's doing stuff when he's really not.

Data provided to The Hill by the conservative polling outlet WPA Research found that 67 percent of Democrats would take a third term for Obama over a potential Clinton administration.

Only 28 percent said they're ready to move on from the Obama White House, while 6 percent are undecided.


So are you saying that you believe that, but somehow don't believe the poll about Republicans?

Did you read the bold?

jfc
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GuessMyUserName
08/10/17 1:46:19 PM
#411:


Corrik posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
Corrik posted...
Wanglicious posted...
honestly, the argument of 52% or 40% or whatever doesn't really matter. even if it's off by some and isn't quite over half i'm not going to doubt that a very significant chunk of republicans feel that way. similarly i wouldn't have doubted that a vast majority of democrats would've preferred a third Obama term over Hillary or Trump. that wouldn't shock me if it were 60%+ quite frankly, with a good chunk of that being fine with the same thing proposed here. so the idea of Trump having a good chunk willing to suspend? well yeah, 70-80% of the republican base supports him, he is the representative of the party. they may not like everything he does but they like enough (way more than Mitch, that's for sure). net result, they'll have no problem with more years with him: it means no dems and he continues to dominate.


in the end it's a silly poll to have mind you, it's still 2017. run that poll again in 2019, when it'd actually represent something after most of a presidential term. right now there's still a "Trump high" because he's constantly in the news and doing things many of them like. it's the impression that he's doing stuff when he's really not.

Data provided to The Hill by the conservative polling outlet WPA Research found that 67 percent of Democrats would take a third term for Obama over a potential Clinton administration.

Only 28 percent said they're ready to move on from the Obama White House, while 6 percent are undecided.


So are you saying that you believe that, but somehow don't believe the poll about Republicans?

Did you read the bold?

when baiting goes wrong
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Regaro
08/10/17 1:47:13 PM
#412:


Regaro posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Peace___Frog posted...
The Mana Sword posted...
The Mana Sword posted...
I think my eyes just rolled all the way in the back of my head

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HashtagSEP
08/10/17 1:53:09 PM
#413:


Corrik posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
Corrik posted...
Wanglicious posted...
honestly, the argument of 52% or 40% or whatever doesn't really matter. even if it's off by some and isn't quite over half i'm not going to doubt that a very significant chunk of republicans feel that way. similarly i wouldn't have doubted that a vast majority of democrats would've preferred a third Obama term over Hillary or Trump. that wouldn't shock me if it were 60%+ quite frankly, with a good chunk of that being fine with the same thing proposed here. so the idea of Trump having a good chunk willing to suspend? well yeah, 70-80% of the republican base supports him, he is the representative of the party. they may not like everything he does but they like enough (way more than Mitch, that's for sure). net result, they'll have no problem with more years with him: it means no dems and he continues to dominate.


in the end it's a silly poll to have mind you, it's still 2017. run that poll again in 2019, when it'd actually represent something after most of a presidential term. right now there's still a "Trump high" because he's constantly in the news and doing things many of them like. it's the impression that he's doing stuff when he's really not.

Data provided to The Hill by the conservative polling outlet WPA Research found that 67 percent of Democrats would take a third term for Obama over a potential Clinton administration.

Only 28 percent said they're ready to move on from the Obama White House, while 6 percent are undecided.


So are you saying that you believe that, but somehow don't believe the poll about Republicans?

Did you read the bold?


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LapisLazuli
08/10/17 1:54:47 PM
#414:


Help.

Someone help.
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red sox 777
08/10/17 2:02:43 PM
#415:


Peace___Frog posted...
I've read that paper as part of my studies. You're talking to people here who don't hold mathematics or economics as hobbies, but as careers. You're misconstruing different aspects of the paper, first and foremost, and second you're complaining about a problem and then going "since we can't be perfect we might as well not try."

It's asinine to take any study as a proper representation of what it's trying to measure. The aim is to estimate a range. We can be fairly sure that a nonzero amount of republicans favor not having am election in 2020, and that's what the discuss here was revolving around before you brought your pseudo intellectual "devil's advocate" bullshit in.


No one said that zero Republicans hold that belief. The study said 52% and Corrik said that 20% would seem very high to him. That was the frame of the debate.

You are also misconstruing my posts if you think that I said that we should not even try.
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Jakyl25
08/10/17 2:17:24 PM
#416:


https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/895686351529672704

GET BACK TO WORK says man on vacation

Also of note to Corrik is he's still pushing "repeal and replace."
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The Mana Sword
08/10/17 2:21:03 PM
#417:


at least he's supportive

you can do it, Mitch!
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Corrik
08/10/17 2:21:13 PM
#418:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/895686351529672704

GET BACK TO WORK says man on vacation

Also of note to Corrik is he's still pushing "repeal and replace."

Lame
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LordoftheMorons
08/10/17 2:26:57 PM
#419:


The Mana Sword posted...
at least he's supportive

you can do it, Mitch!

Ganbatte, Mitch-kun!
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kevwaffles
08/10/17 2:29:09 PM
#420:


Don't believe in yourself, Mitch!

Believe in the Trump that believes in you!
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kevwaffles
08/10/17 2:31:10 PM
#421:


We're gonna build a wall! And we're gonna make the Titans pay for it!
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red sox 777
08/10/17 2:37:36 PM
#422:


I just saw that my health insurance company cancelled my plan for next year. The implosion plan appears to be working.
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Ashethan
08/10/17 2:39:54 PM
#423:


How long will it take for Trump to realize Congress doesn't work for him?

My bet is he doesn't learn it. Not even after he's out of office.
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GuessMyUserName
08/10/17 2:43:06 PM
#424:


sadly he won't because they volunteer to
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LordoftheMorons
08/10/17 2:43:58 PM
#425:


red sox 777 posted...
I just saw that my health insurance company cancelled my plan for next year. The implosion plan appears to be working.

Are you blaming Trump or the Democrats?
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The Mana Sword
08/10/17 2:44:28 PM
#426:


https://twitter.com/joshledermanAP/status/895715237546127360

BRIDGEWATER, N.J. (AP) — Trump: 'You can ask the question' whether Senate Leader McConnell should step aside if he can't deliver on agenda

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red sox 777
08/10/17 2:58:13 PM
#427:


LordoftheMorons posted...
red sox 777 posted...
I just saw that my health insurance company cancelled my plan for next year. The implosion plan appears to be working.

Are you blaming Trump or the Democrats?


I'm not blaming anyone. I'll switch to a different company. As for the premiums being so high, I blame Democrats for passing Obamacare and Republicans in the past for allowing the pre-Obamacare system to be so bad, as well as for coming up with the Obamacare concept.

As for Trump, I presume this "implosion" is part of his plan to repeal and replace Obamacare and get us better healthcare for lower cost, by increasing his bargaining power. If it succeeds, it succeeds. If it fails.... I guess we'll apportion blame when and if that happens.
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Jakyl25
08/10/17 3:08:16 PM
#428:


https://twitter.com/ap/status/895714739220865024

BREAKING: Trump on his `fire and fury' warning to North Korea: Maybe statement wasn't tough enough.

Oh boy
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VintageGin
08/10/17 3:22:59 PM
#429:


living on the west coast and visiting South Korea in October

meanwhile Trump decides to antagonize North Korea some more

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The Mana Sword
08/10/17 3:38:52 PM
#430:


Trump has declared the opioid crisis a national emergency.

Oh paper, I think this is a good thing. I don't expect the execution to be particularly effective though. Hope I am proven wrong.
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Corrik
08/10/17 3:41:09 PM
#431:


Any link to want that entails?
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Peace___Frog
08/10/17 3:46:02 PM
#432:


The Mana Sword posted...
Trump has declared the opioid crisis a national emergency.

Oh paper, I think this is a good thing. I don't expect the execution to be particularly effective though. Hope I am proven wrong.

About time. I recall laughing and crying at the fact that republicans only funded handling it for a year in their healthcare bills.
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Eddv
08/10/17 4:07:35 PM
#433:


Corrik posted...
Any link to want that entails?


It just means they can use emergency funding on it and gives the executive branch broader powers to implement relief.

Not sure what form that will take given the makeup of Trumps HHS and Justice Departments but its something.
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Corrik
08/10/17 4:18:26 PM
#434:


Eddv posted...
Corrik posted...
Any link to want that entails?


It just means they can use emergency funding on it and gives the executive branch broader powers to implement relief.

Not sure what form that will take given the makeup of Trumps HHS and Justice Departments but its something.

If this literally means more federally funded Narcan I am gonna just... sideways glance my way the hell outta here
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Peace___Frog
08/10/17 4:23:21 PM
#435:


Better to just have dead bodies strewn about and pay people to clean them up, huh
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Eddv
08/10/17 4:24:27 PM
#436:


Short of going all duterte and just murdering all drug users im not really sure what a short term fix to this problem even looks like
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The Mana Sword
08/10/17 4:26:50 PM
#437:


https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/895740173786337281

Ken Dilanian‏Verified account @KenDilanianNBC 7m7 minutes ago
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According to @KellyO , Trump just now said he thanks Putin for kicking US diplomats out of Moscow, saying, `We want to reduce our payroll.'


lol, come on
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LordoftheMorons
08/10/17 4:30:55 PM
#438:


The Mana Sword posted...
https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/895740173786337281

Ken Dilanian‏Verified account @KenDilanianNBC 7m7 minutes ago
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According to @KellyO , Trump just now said he thanks Putin for kicking US diplomats out of Moscow, saying, `We want to reduce our payroll.'


lol, come on

Jesus fucking christ
You can practically see the puppet strings
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GuessMyUserName
08/10/17 4:37:49 PM
#439:


.... what
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Corrik
08/10/17 4:40:37 PM
#440:


The Mana Sword posted...
https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/895740173786337281

Ken Dilanian‏Verified account @KenDilanianNBC 7m7 minutes ago
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According to @KellyO , Trump just now said he thanks Putin for kicking US diplomats out of Moscow, saying, `We want to reduce our payroll.'


lol, come on

Sounds like some humor.
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LordoftheMorons
08/10/17 4:49:06 PM
#441:


Even if that particular comment was a joke it wouldn't excuse the fact that he hasn't condemned Russia's expulsion of our diplomats (or literally any other Russian action) at all.
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The Mana Sword
08/10/17 4:50:45 PM
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Corrik
08/10/17 4:52:01 PM
#443:


The Mana Sword posted...
Trump doesn't make jokes.

Here's the full response:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DG5VP0tWAAEEvpN.jpg

Looks a lot like humor. But, who knows.
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Kenri
08/10/17 4:54:32 PM
#444:


We've seen Trump's humor and we know that can't be it because he didn't complain about Hillary Clinton at any point.
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GuessMyUserName
08/10/17 4:56:04 PM
#445:


man how do you spend so much effort trying to deny any connections to russia then just make the dumbest comments beyond imagine at every possible opportunity


stop having such a moronic president, americans
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Corrik
08/10/17 4:57:52 PM
#446:


GuessMyUserName posted...
man how do you spend so much effort trying to deny any connections to russia then just make the dumbest comments beyond imagine at every possible opportunity


stop having such a moronic president, americans

What
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GuessMyUserName
08/10/17 5:02:29 PM
#447:


it's a stupid tweet, as a joke or not

he keeps doing this


America is a joke to the reset of the world. Sincerely, The Rest of the World.
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Mr Lasastryke
08/10/17 5:10:54 PM
#448:


red sox 777 posted...
I kinda doubt anyone who responded has read Romer's paper yet. But uh, this is the great thing about the modern left I suppose. They see useful information as "bait" while being totally unable to stop themselves from taking the bait, every time. They judge people more on orthodoxy than the content of their argument. They ignored the people on the ground who said trouble was coming in the Midwest, and....

Yes, #This Is Why You Lost.


aren't you part of the left?
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LapisLazuli
08/10/17 5:12:01 PM
#449:


Corrik posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...
man how do you spend so much effort trying to deny any connections to russia then just make the dumbest comments beyond imagine at every possible opportunity


stop having such a moronic president, americans

What


Don't know why your confused.....well, I do know, but still.
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Corrik
08/10/17 5:21:22 PM
#451:


Peace___Frog posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...
it's a stupid tweet, as a joke or not

he keeps doing this


America is a joke to the reset of the world. Sincerely, The Rest of the World.

WHO CARES AMERICA FIRST FUCK EVERYONE ELSE YOUR OPINION DOESN'T EVEN MATTER WHO NEEDS ALLIES WE WON BOTH WORLDS WARS SINGLE HANDEDLY AND HAVE CRUSHED EVERY SINGLE ARMY THAT HAS EVER TRIED TO CROSS US WE DON'T NEED YOUR WUSSY BULLSHIT WOOOOOO BABY I HAVE 40 GUNS IN MY HOUSE AND I'M PREPARED TO SHOOT EVERY SINGLE ONE AT THE SAME TIME

You sound like you have a lot of animosity lol.
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GuessMyUserName
08/10/17 5:21:46 PM
#452:


Corrik posted...
Peace___Frog posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...
it's a stupid tweet, as a joke or not

he keeps doing this


America is a joke to the reset of the world. Sincerely, The Rest of the World.

WHO CARES AMERICA FIRST FUCK EVERYONE ELSE YOUR OPINION DOESN'T EVEN MATTER WHO NEEDS ALLIES WE WON BOTH WORLDS WARS SINGLE HANDEDLY AND HAVE CRUSHED EVERY SINGLE ARMY THAT HAS EVER TRIED TO CROSS US WE DON'T NEED YOUR WUSSY BULLSHIT WOOOOOO BABY I HAVE 40 GUNS IN MY HOUSE AND I'M PREPARED TO SHOOT EVERY SINGLE ONE AT THE SAME TIME

You sound like you have a lot of animosity lol.

you sound like you're gaslighting
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