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TopicApple plans to introduce software that scans users phones for Child Porn/Abuse
darkknight109
08/08/21 3:44:58 AM
#78
Porque no los dos?

I'm not exactly going to be shedding any tears over anyone who gets caught thanks to this, but it is a significant privacy overreach and I am concerned about the precedent set.

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TopicI liked it when the Sonic the Hedgehog shows took place in a dystopian future
darkknight109
08/05/21 8:49:42 PM
#35
KodyKeir posted...
based on evidence
Sure, but it's still an educated guess, not a confirmed statement.

Fans took it as the latter for years and Hurst was quite clear about wanting to set the record straight.

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TopicConservative Black guy says Minimun Wage should '$0.00'...
darkknight109
08/05/21 7:12:22 PM
#41
Zeus posted...
the ones who can't -- who, in the absence of government obstruction, might be able to hire less-capable workers at a lower rate they could afford to pay -- are just out of luck
If you can't afford to pay your workers minimum wage (which isn't even a living wage in the US), you are probably either extremely greedy or a terrible businessperson who deserves to fail. Or both.

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TopicI liked it when the Sonic the Hedgehog shows took place in a dystopian future
darkknight109
08/05/21 5:36:51 AM
#33
Krazy_Kirby posted...
according to special features on the dvd set for the first sonic... it was cancelled because someone else took over the network, and at the time it was standard to replace shows when someone else took charge.

tails was going to develope his powers in season 2
SatAM had two seasons; it was cancelled before Season 3.

And the "new broom sweeps clean" reason for cancellation has always been speculation, which Ben Hurst freely admitted to in the interview you're referring to.

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TopicBananas or strawberries?
darkknight109
08/04/21 3:19:43 PM
#3
Bananas if solo, strawberries if mixed in with other things like crepes or ice cream.

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TopicAre there any games (stories) about the invention of magic?
darkknight109
08/04/21 3:19:07 PM
#3
Chrono Trigger/Cross go into it a bit.

Trails in the Sky (and the rest of the Trails/Kiseki series) also discuss the development of the setting's equivalent of magic (orbments) at some length.

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TopicI liked it when the Sonic the Hedgehog shows took place in a dystopian future
darkknight109
08/04/21 3:16:30 PM
#30
I'm disappointed that SatAM Sonic didn't stick around long enough to have Knuckles or Metal and/or Mecha Sonic make appearances. Would have loved to see their takes on those characters - they had such a cool lore/setting in that show.

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TopicCalifornia soon to have no more bacon due to people voting with their feelings.
darkknight109
08/04/21 4:45:29 AM
#62
LinkPizza posted...
Sometimes, animals eat other animals. And if a pig was given us as food, I believe they would eat us. So, we are doing onto others as they do onto us
Pretty sure no pig has ever set up a human farm where humans are raised in tiny crates too small for them to even turn around in.

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TopicCalifornia soon to have no more bacon due to people voting with their feelings.
darkknight109
08/03/21 4:47:18 PM
#53
Revelation34 posted...
https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-business-health-california-coronavirus-pandemic-5ebe70407fcd94ef712c16410f32c4b1

"In Iowa, which raises about one-third of the nations hogs, farmer Dwight Mogler estimates the changes would cost him $3 million and allow room for 250 pigs in a space that now holds 300."
And? This doesn't refute what I've said.

If this farmer's production is expected to drop by 16%, we would expect prices to rise by the same amount to cover the costs, plus more to deal with the initial overhead costs of renovating part or all of the farm. The initial article suggests pork prices in California will rise up to 60% - more than enough to cover it.

Again, this isn't difficult - the people wanted hogs to be treated more ethically and they're going to get it. It will cost more, but that is something California voters are apparently willing to accept as a price for more ethical meat. Honestly? Good for them.

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TopicZoey Punches the Future in the Dick by David Wong
darkknight109
08/03/21 11:33:06 AM
#9
Mead posted...
Not familiar with that author or his books
He used to write for Cracked and was, IMO, one of their best authors.

Never read his actual books, so can't comment on his prose, but his opinion writing is very good.

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TopicI liked it when the Sonic the Hedgehog shows took place in a dystopian future
darkknight109
08/03/21 11:24:33 AM
#13
Revelation34 posted...
Chili dogs are a human invention. Therefore Robotnik has secretly been feeding Sonic hedgehog meat.
The one chili dog vendor seen in the SatAM series was, funnily enough, an anthropomorphic pig.

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TopicCalifornia soon to have no more bacon due to people voting with their feelings.
darkknight109
08/03/21 11:19:59 AM
#47
Revelation34 posted...
No they're not. If it costs too much to upgrade then they'll just export it elsewhere.
California is responsible for 15% of all pork consumption in the entire US, which is actually higher than their share of the population.

Pork producers are not going to ignore a market of that size and even if they were, nowhere else is going to suddenly increase their pork consumption by enough to offset the difference - just carving out California from the pork market would result in a glut of supply, price drops, and herds being culled as producers are suddenly unable to find buyers for their hogs. So yes, they will upgrade; it will take time to do so and they will pass on the costs to consumers, but none of that is unexpected or untenable.

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TopicLmao that pro-Trump social media platform has been invaded by ISIS
darkknight109
08/02/21 8:49:57 PM
#32
Social media platform designed to appeal to violent conservative extremists is used extensively by violent conservative extremists.

How shocking.

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TopicCalifornia soon to have no more bacon due to people voting with their feelings.
darkknight109
08/02/21 6:47:23 PM
#40
I mean... the people overwhelmingly wanted pigs raised in more humane conditions and they're going to get pigs raised in more humane conditions.

What's the problem here?

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TopicSo I actually finally really beat Trails of Cold Steel 4 this time.
darkknight109
07/31/21 9:21:03 PM
#3
I'm just annoyed they didn't stick with the normal ending. Would have given mad props to Falcom for having the stones to make that the canon conclusion to the game.

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TopicJust finished Trials of Mana
darkknight109
07/31/21 12:34:30 AM
#27
Lokarin posted...
To be fair - I'm not objected to a remake changing the plot as long as it, like, is faithful to the motivations of the original characters... that's why FF7:R has me so dang curious
I don't necessarily mind the plot change so much as the fact that FF7:R feels like it's just incredibly padded out and filled with half-baked ideas that they don't bother to ever actually expound on.

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TopicWhy are people who are vaccinated the most worried about rising COVID numbers?
darkknight109
07/30/21 10:19:33 PM
#93
Because if I wind up needing to go to the hospital for non-COVID-related reasons, I don't want all the beds to be full and all the doctors/nurses tied up with morons who couldn't be bothered to get a couple of pokes with a needle.

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TopicWhen you enter a highway from an acceleration ramp, should you signal?
darkknight109
07/30/21 10:17:15 PM
#8
Your picture indicates there is no lane change going on, so no, you should not use your signal in that situation. Using your turn signal would suggest that you are going to change lanes.

Simple rule of thumb is that if you are changing lanes or turning (into/out of a different traffic flow) your turn signal should be on.

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TopicJust finished Trials of Mana
darkknight109
07/30/21 10:12:18 PM
#24
Lokarin posted...
This is about as good as it gets for how to do a remake (haven't played FF7 yet)
It's funny, I played Trials of Mana and FF7:R back to back and it felt like a Goofus and Gallant comic. Trials of Mana was one of the best remakes (in terms of how it was faithful to the source material, while still modernizing it and improving the mechanics to make a fun game) I'd ever played. It is a sin that this game didn't get a bit of a bigger budget, as it could have been legendary instead of just very good.

By contrast, FF7:R was a game that, to me, felt like all flash and no substance, where they tacked on a bunch of extraneous shit to a segment of a game that had been teased out to be way longer than it should have been. Whenever the game actually got out of its own way, pulled its head out of its ass and got around to being a game (which was usually the parts of the game that were in the original), it was fantastic, but there was so much fluff in between that it was an absolute chore to play through.

Dunkey had probably the most accurate review of the game I've seen to date: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qlf3b9wa4s

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TopicDo you have to use a blinker while in the turn lane?
darkknight109
07/22/21 7:04:01 PM
#7
In my locality, yes, it is mandatory. Not saying everyone does it, but you're supposed to.

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TopicRepublican politicians are changing their stance on the vaccine.
darkknight109
07/22/21 3:59:36 PM
#16
Other: It's mostly their own voters dying now and it's also dragging their poll numbers.

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TopicJoe Biden is such a failure and Bernie Sanders would have been much better!
darkknight109
07/18/21 12:14:14 PM
#57
Zeus posted...
As far I remember, Democrats weren't expected to keep control.
You must have a terrible memory, then.

For one, Democrats didn't have control of the senate last term, so they wouldn't be "keeping" control at all. Secondly, they were expected to pick up 4-6 seats for a solid senate majority. Susan Collins and Thom Thillis were widely expected to lose their seats (polling showed them behind their opponents by a respectable margin) and Joni Ernst's seat was also considered a potential flip for the Democrats.

The House was a similar story. The Democrats were expected to gain several seats; instead, they lost five and nearly their majority.

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TopicJoe Biden is such a failure and Bernie Sanders would have been much better!
darkknight109
07/18/21 12:09:07 PM
#56
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Hmm...

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Topic4chan is literally unusable now.
darkknight109
07/14/21 11:45:47 AM
#27
Man, I just got here and what's with all the strawmen in this topic? Is this, like, a scarecrow convention or...

Oh, Zeus is here. That explains it.

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TopicHave you played the Pikmin games? How would you rate them?
darkknight109
07/04/21 6:49:46 AM
#15
1>3>>2 for me.

Pikmin 3 is the better-crafted game, but I still prefer 1 just for nostalgia and simplicity's sake. Both are excellent and pretty close to evenly ranked in my books.

2 was a definite step back. It got too far over its skis and wound up being a less entertaining product as a result. The removal of the time limit just kills any sense of urgency or tension and some of the bosses are just obnoxious.

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TopicWhich of my favorite villains do you like best?
darkknight109
07/04/21 6:47:09 AM
#8
Sephiroth narrowly edging out Dimentio.

Red_Frog posted...
For the non-weebs, Porky = Pokey from Earthbound.
They've used "Porky" as his name in the Smash Bros. series since Brawl.

Honestly, I think the number of people who now know him as "Pokey" is pretty small, given that it's basically just those who played the original Earthbound (already a small group) but not any of the post-Melee Smash Bros. games (a far smaller group).

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Topicdo you like the Matrix sequels
darkknight109
07/04/21 6:43:23 AM
#9
No one will ever be able to convince me that Revolutions wasn't the best of the trilogy.

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TopicWhat time of day do you typically shower/bathe?
darkknight109
07/02/21 12:36:37 PM
#12
fishy071 posted...
My answer isn't quite there. I shower in the evening or night because I can't sleep without a shower.
Then that's the second answer, obviously. It seems like I've accurately captured it to me.

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Topicyou can't resize the taskbar in windows 11
darkknight109
06/29/21 10:32:07 PM
#38
So are they doing the usual Windows thing where every other version is terrible?

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TopicMost underrated SNES games, go!
darkknight109
06/29/21 10:29:02 PM
#24
Legend of the Mystical Ninja is one of my favourite games of all time and one of Konami's best overall.

Honourable mentions: UN Squadron (a super-fun schmup), Ninja Warriors (a solid beat-em-up that I could never find for years until I finally tracked down a cart), and Tetris Attack (probably the most tenuous claim of "underrated" of the games I've mentioned, but this is one of the best puzzle games of all time and I seldom see it get that recognition anymore).

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TopicWhat time of day do you typically shower/bathe?
darkknight109
06/29/21 10:24:49 PM
#1
What time of day do you typically shower/bathe?





If you work nights, kindly reverse your answers.

I have decided not to IP-lock this poll - don't betray my trust, please.

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TopicShould the mothers of children with FAS or NAS face some sort of punishment?
darkknight109
06/24/21 11:43:58 PM
#31
Apropos to the topic at hand: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/24/pregnant-woman-charged-prescription/

tl;dr - a woman in Arkansas is being charged with a felony because her newborn tested positive for opioids. The reason? She had a prescription for painkillers to treat her chronic pain. She's being charged for prescription fraud even though:
a) She filled the prescription legally
b) She was not asked by her doctor if she was pregnant when he gave her the prescription

The prosecutor is suggesting that she intentionally withheld her pregnancy from her doctor in order to get the prescription, but it was a prescription she's had since before she became pregnant.

This is why automatically charging someone whose child has FAS/NAS is not necessarily a good idea.

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TopicWithout naming the video game, what's the one quote that would give it away?
darkknight109
06/24/21 1:29:11 PM
#71
"I'll remind you that I have a very large stick!"

"Wake up, Crono!"

"I hid myself to repair myself"

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TopicWHO recommends AGAINST Covid vaccines for children and adolescents.
darkknight109
06/23/21 3:27:42 PM
#17
TC says: WHO recommends AGAINST Covid vaccines for children and adolescents.
WHO actually says: There is not yet enough evidence on the use of vaccines against COVID-19 in children to make recommendations for children to be vaccinated against COVID-19.

Added hilarity: TC apparently didn't realize the thing he quoted directly contradicts his opinion.

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TopicShould the mothers of children with FAS or NAS face some sort of punishment?
darkknight109
06/23/21 3:21:58 PM
#27
I'm against it, because there are so many edge cases and unintended knock-on effects.

Yes, in a perfect world, a woman who is pregnant who willingly drinks or goes out partying with drugs probably should be punished for harming her child. But what if she didn't know she was pregnant at the time? We can say, "OK, this only applies to women who knew they were pregnant at the time," but that just incentivizes addicts to not go to doctors or do pregnancy checks if they suspect they are pregnant so that they can claim plausible deniability.

Are we comfortable acknowledging that a woman who drinks/takes drugs during her pregnancy is now incentivized to terminate the pregnancy - possibly illegally, if it happens late enough in the pregnancy, by forcing a miscarriage - to avoid potential criminal charges? Are we also comfortable acknowledging that this discourages women from admitting they have a problem if they are or recently were pregnant, thereby exposing both mother and child to further risks by isolating them from care?

The best solution here is better education and health care for expectant mothers. If addicts have the resources they need to help beat their addiction, they are less likely to drink/use while pregnant, thus avoiding the problem in the first place.

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TopicITT: 90s One-hit wonder nobody remembers
darkknight109
06/22/21 3:32:29 AM
#46
Funnily enough, "Your Woman" was literally the first song I thought of when I saw the topic title.

Anyways: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO8vBVUaKvk

Pepper was in heavy competition on the local radio station with Marilyn Manson's "The Beautiful People" for the top spot on the charts when they both came out.

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TopicYou do not know that the Earth is not flat because you have never seen it.
darkknight109
06/18/21 1:42:39 AM
#39
Someone doesn't know how optics work.

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TopicTCU will no longer use 'Freshman' due to 'Gender' types
darkknight109
06/10/21 7:33:09 PM
#23
EclairReturns posted...
So are they going to just call newcomers to that college ``fresh'' like that fictional prince of Bel-Air?
Just call them "first-years", like pretty much every English-speaking country outside of America does.

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TopicFauci's emails really showed how hypocritical he was.
darkknight109
06/04/21 4:29:29 PM
#40
Yellow posted...
Yes, actually, that's what the CDC website said. They were ineffective for the general population. I saw it with my own eyes.
Yes - because they thought they were! Because, as I said above, masks are usually ineffective at stopping viruses. Which, y'know, is what coronavirus is. And people were panic-buying them which was causing a shortage for doctors who actually need them.

Believe me, I know. A couple of my clients are doctors completely unaffiliated with the CDC (not even in the same country) and they had that same guidance up on their websites with the same justification (doesn't work, causing shortage for people who actually need to use them). Only when the science behind coronavirus was better understood and it was determined that the virus needs water droplets for transmittal did medical scientists realize that masks actually were effective.

This really isn't the evil conspiracy you're insisting it is.

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TopicFauci's emails really showed how hypocritical he was.
darkknight109
06/04/21 2:14:53 AM
#29
Yellow posted...
He admitted it was because of the possibility of a shortage for medical staff though.
Yes, which I specifically pointed out here:

"As such, the initial thinking was that people panic-buying masks wasn't helping anything, since they would be ineffective against a coronavirus, and it was putting a run on medical supplies that were badly needed by hospital staff (who need to worry about a lot more than just one specific disease and also need sterile environments so as to not cause further infections in their patients)."

It was the same as when morons were hoarding toilet paper even though coronavirus wasn't a GI disease and there was no issue with the toilet paper supply chain. Idiots basically created a shortage of a widely available product where none existed before and the risk for that to happen to medical PPE that was badly needed by healthcare staff had the potential to be catastrophic. If doctors didn't need the masks, it's doubtful Fauci or anyone else would have stepped in since, like with the TP crisis, it's annoying but not crippling.

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TopicFauci's emails really showed how hypocritical he was.
darkknight109
06/03/21 8:47:20 PM
#17
MartianManchild posted...
Things like mask usage
I always love watching people bitching about how the guidance on mask usage changed because it's clear they haven't the slightest fucking clue how science - and epidemiology specifically - works.

The reason why medical personnel - Fauci included - originally said that masks were not needed by the general populace is that masks are, generally speaking, fucking useless against viruses. Viruses are tiny and most will slip right through the fibres of a cloth mask. It would be like trying to keep mosquitoes out of your yard by putting up a chain-link fence. As such, the initial thinking was that people panic-buying masks wasn't helping anything, since they would be ineffective against a coronavirus, and it was putting a run on medical supplies that were badly needed by hospital staff (who need to worry about a lot more than just one specific disease and also need sterile environments so as to not cause further infections in their patients).

But as we learned more about the this specific coronavirus, we discovered that it travelled via water droplets, which are hundreds of thousands of times larger than a virus. Masks can't stop an airborne virus, but they can absolutely stop one that's spread via water droplets like SARS-CoV-2 (keeping with the above example, imagine a specific type of deadly mosquito only travelled within inflated balloons - now that chain link fence is suddenly much more effective at keeping them out). So the guidance on mask usage changed.

That's not a sign of corruption or incompetence, it's a sign of scientists trying to fight an emerging and unknown disease and learning as they go.

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TopicControversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109
06/02/21 6:03:18 AM
#292
LinkPizza posted...
Like I said earlier, an actual article said that experts warned that self-driving cars were "particularly susceptible" to hacking
Compared to what? That's a pretty important qualifier. And which experts?

LinkPizza posted...
And their view can still be obstructed in more than one place at the same time. Meaning they still might not see the car that caused the chain reaction.
Hey, look, it's another one of these bizarrely tightly constrained hypotheticals teased to try and force a point.

Again, if you have to put that many qualifiers on your hypothetical to make it actually run, you've lost the argument.

LinkPizza posted...
So, if the cars that were in the accident were in the far left lane and didn't the car in the far right lane that caused the chain reaction, they it becomes hard to actually pin the accident on them.
Which is a veritable impossibility given the number of cameras you're talking about.

LinkPizza posted...
And since witnesses don't have to wait at the scene of an accident, they may not ever catch the other person... And since the one that start the chain reaction wasn't in an accident, it probably won't stop.
All of which is just as true for a human driver in the same situation, so you haven't actually proven anything even if we accept this ridiculous hypothetical as valid.

LinkPizza posted...
So, for driving, it has to be perfect.
Humans aren't perfect and we let them drive.

So AI that aren't perfect but are better than humans (which they already are) are more than ready to drive.

LinkPizza posted...
You can say how low the chances are, but my driving also hasn't gotten me killed, so there's no different to me except I have no control over my own life anymore.
Survivorship bias!! That's double-bingo!!

LinkPizza posted...
And I can't prove it until I find the topic.
Better get cracking, then - you don't seem to have anything better to do with your time.

LinkPizza posted...
And trust me, my memory is much better than yours.

Certainly doesn't seem like it. At the very least, given the quantity of typos and bad grammar in your posts, you don't seem to be very good at writing, which doesn't speak very highly of your mental acuity.

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TopicControversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109
06/02/21 6:02:34 AM
#291
LinkPizza posted...
I know you can build on from parts from catalogues. So, that obviously wasn't what I was talking about...
You were talking about building once of these devices yourself. You claimed you could build and maintain a car from spare parts but not a self-checkout. Nothing about that postulate states that parts *must* come from a junkyard.

So yes, you are wrong and I believe you are well aware of that, especially as you've now admitted that you *can* build a self-checkout from a catalogue. Thanks for playing.

LinkPizza posted...
Either way, I disagree.
About what?

Please provide context to your sentences or quote what you're responding to, because otherwise it's impossible to tell what you're talking about when you suddenly change subjects like this.

LinkPizza posted...
As for the scenario, it could easily happen. I don't see how anyone could think otherwise... It's literally something that can happen.
Assuming this is still your bizarre fantasy scenario about self-driving cars getting in a mass-swerve to avoid an obstacle, you have yet to explain how humans would perform better in the same situation and have, in fact, accepted several times that the exact same scenario would be just as likely to occur with human drivers, likely with a worse end result.

In other words, even if we accept that this scenario could "easily" happen (it can't, unless you're using a very liberal definition of the word "easily"), it's not a mark against self-driving cars, since they would still perform better than human drivers in this scenario.

LinkPizza posted...
It's still a big amount of people, but only because they are so many accidents.
Yep - and you know what will bring that accident rate way down?

Self-driving cars.

LinkPizza posted...
And again, because it hasn't happened yet, nobody can literally know if it'll be worse that with humans.
And nobody can know that there isn't a teapot in orbit around Earth.

We can, however, make predictions based on the data we have, all of which suggests that self-driving cars will be orders of magnitude safer than humans, with amplifying effects the more self-driving cars are on the road.

LinkPizza posted...
We can only know that after hey come out... You can say they will be better all you want. We still don't have any proof that they actually will be better... or if it'll be better at avoiding anything...
They are out; they are better. This is simple fact.

LinkPizza posted...
Mayhem could break loose as soon as too many, or even just a lot, are on the road.
Or the self-driving cars could usher in a utopia where no one ever dies in a car crash again.

Both of those events are about equally likely. Which is to say, not at all, but continue to hide behind your, "It's still totally possible!" non-defence if it makes you feel better.

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TopicControversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109
06/02/21 6:01:54 AM
#290
LinkPizza posted...
And my social skills are great. Better than most people.
Most people don't have problem meeting friends outside of work. From the sounds of things, you're overestimating yourself.

LinkPizza posted...
But I don't want the knock-offs. I want the real band.
Well, good luck with that with something like Nirvana. Or the Beatles.

LinkPizza posted...
And I never said I couldn't tell the AI-produced music from the real thing. Sounds like another lie that you made up.
You literally talked about having to consult with your BF because he knew music better than you.

LinkPizza posted...
If you live somewhere where you won't get business, then maybe the business isn't a good idea.
You're assuming I started the business to make money. That is a false assumption on your part.

Turning a profit is a nice bonus, but it's not the reason I started this business.

LinkPizza posted...
B.) I guess. When my mom started any of her businesses, it wasn't a main thing, either. But she did set out to make sure it was thriving. It helped to live more comfortably, even though we were living pretty comfortable already... Though, not rich or anything...
Then you more or less understand where I'm coming from.

I live in a house on the ocean. My main job makes me enough money to live quite comfortably. I don't need this business to make millions. Hell, I don't really need it to turn a profit at all. I get satisfaction out of it unrelated to my bottom line because of the nature of the work in question.

LinkPizza posted...
And my mom taught me well enough. Probably better than you.
Yes, I'd wager that I didn't learn as much from your Mom as you did, but given what you've posted elsewhere in the topic I think I'm richer for not having gone down that road.

LinkPizza posted...
That's was my whole point when talking about the junkyard specifically.
No, you picked the junkyard specifically because it was a source for parts that specifically constrained your argument such that there was no other conclusion. It had nothing to do with building a machine yourself, out of parts you could readily acquire for cheap, or else there would be no reason to constrain it to junkyards specifically. You simply picked a part source that you knew could provide for a car but not a self-checkout without also entertaining cheap part sources that could provide for a self-checkout.

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TopicControversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109
06/02/21 6:01:14 AM
#289
LinkPizza posted...
What's to say they won't just get rid of humans since we'd be worthless to them? It you can program them to do anything, or teach them anything, you can also program or teach them to kill, as well. And if they evolve, they may realize that they don't like humans.
This is one of the only alarmist things you've posted that actually has a ring of truth. There is a nonzero chance that AI will outgrow our ability to meaningfully control it and that is something that many significant roboticists are postulating as a risk that must be carefully managed as AI grows ever more advanced.

LinkPizza posted...
Even with the three rules (three laws of robotics), they may not care to listen to them anymore.
......and then you immediately undercut yourself by acting like the three laws are a real thing and not a literary convention written by a sci-fi author.

LinkPizza posted...
And the reason I mention that about the stuff is because it's still needs more testing.
What stuff?

Please provide context to your sentences or quote what you're responding to, because otherwise it's impossible to tell what you're talking about when you suddenly change subjects like this.

LinkPizza posted...
Like for example, things you say are already out and stuff.
Everything I've said is already out is, indeed, already out.

LinkPizza posted...
The "This stuff" I mentioned is literally everything we've been talking about since you came into the topic.
Then you probably should have mentioned that with the sentence in question. And "everything" is a pretty wide variety of things, including tried-and-tested technology like car-building bots and ancient games like chess.

LinkPizza posted...
And with friends, the problem is I wouldn't meet them outside of work.
That sounds like you need to do some re-examining of your life, because that's not healthy.

LinkPizza posted...
The only reason I did was he was on my shift and playing his switch while I was.
Do you guys do any actual work at your jobsite? It doesn't sound like you do. I think I understand a bit better now why you don't want to be replaced given what your company apparently pays you for.

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TopicControversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109
06/02/21 6:00:37 AM
#288
LinkPizza posted...
Here's even a site that talks about different style.
Yeah, that's a great source... oh, wait, you didn't post anything.

Does it still count as a typo when you flat-out don't post a link? Or are you going to give some other excuse for your poor post construction?

LinkPizza posted...
As for the video games, based on the other AIs that wrote stories and YouTube videos, I just see them smooshing things together to make a video game, because that's exactly how they made those videos.
"You see them" meaning you don't actually know how this works.

I'm not sure why you keep expecting me to buy in to your ill-informed hypotheticals when you're not even clear on how AI works and the fact that, at a high level that is still theoretical at the moment, it's no different than the human creative process (humans also "smoosh together" their experiences to make a video game).

LinkPizza posted...
And I know you have trouble with English and typos
This is rich considering how garbled your posts are.

LinkPizza posted...
I know it must be hard to not understand that with was will.
You know, you really undercut your point about how your posts are totally legible (no, seriously!) by following it up with this incomprehensible garbage.

LinkPizza posted...
I've seen so many typos on this site.
And I'm guessing half of them must be within your own posts.

LinkPizza posted...
You claim I'm making hypothesizing, but so are you...
"Making hypothesizing" isn't proper English.

And yes, I'm absolutely hypothesizing. The difference is that my hypotheses are based on an understanding of how AI actually works, whereas you very clearly are basing yours on how you *think* they work based on a couple articles you've read. Come back to me when you've actually worked with a machine learning program.

LinkPizza posted...
Real people can evolve, too.
Sure - on a timespan multiple orders of magnitude slower than AI, but they can do it.

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TopicControversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109
06/02/21 5:59:38 AM
#287
LinkPizza posted...
And if they do, anything the robots make, find, mine, or whatever belongs to whoever owns or is renting them. So, things still cost money because it's not like the robots own it. Whoever owns them owns it. And they will sell for a profit.
You're thinking too small.

What if everyone owns these robots? As in, it's not owned by one person or business but everyone has their own personal all-purpose robot that can fill whatever function is needed? Cook a steak? Build a desk? Give Fluffy a checkup? All doable using the same bot.

It's not as far-fetched as you'd think. All you need is one bot built by an altruist that can build other bots like itself. Even if the corporate interests don't want it to happen, there just needs to be one self-replicating robot to collapse the entire system.

LinkPizza posted...
Maybe it's be the government or state if not the farmer... But someone always owns something. And you can't assume that they will give their property away for free...
If it's the government (and it is - all subsurface rights belong to the government) they can and will absolutely give things away for free, because if they're the only ones with commercial power than money effectively becomes meaningless.

Which, y'know, is what I've been saying for a while.

LinkPizza posted...
I watched a short tutorial on Go, so I know how it works.
Watching a short tutorial on Go (that you've already admitted you don't remember the details of) and claiming you know how it works is a bit like me watching a video tutorial on sutures and claiming I'm now a surgeon.

LinkPizza posted...
And just like any game, you can play defensively, passively, aggressively, etc.
Just like "any game", you say?

Tell me, how do you play Go Fish defensively? What's your passive strategy for Solitaire? Do you prefer an offensive or defensive game when you're playing Snakes and Ladders?

Please stop trying to talk about a game you clearly have no understanding of. Whatever tutorial you watched, it wasn't enough for you to meaningfully participate in this conversation.

LinkPizza posted...
People play differently, and the robot can predict millions of moves per second.
Which isn't meaningful when there are literally more possible game combinations than there are atoms in the observable universe.

LinkPizza posted...
Even without playing a game, if it knows how to play, it can probably still predict movements based on how they are starting to play.
"Probably" meaning you don't actually know.

Please, this is really getting sad at this point. You're trying to mix two things you have no practical knowledge of - Go and machine learning - and the results are coming off like a toddler trying to debate political science. Stick to subjects you actually have some knowledge of (or can at least believably fake competence at).

LinkPizza posted...
You still haven't given a valid reason on why they can't predict people movements other than "It's a lot", and that's not a valid reason since computers can process a lot of information.
No computer in the world will ever be able to brute force a game of Go because it is literally impossible. There is not enough data in the universe to hold every single combination of Go. That was the point of this way back when we started this side tangent. If you don't understand that point, it simply means you don't understand big numbers.

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TopicControversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109
06/02/21 5:58:54 AM
#286


LinkPizza posted...
Something you forgot is that the robots the farmer buys has a cost, too.
Only if those robots weren't built by other robots.

That's not an oversight, that's you once again forgetting what "fully automated future" means.

LinkPizza posted...
Why would they automate their whole work force and lower food prices so that their profit margin stays the same. The answer is, they wouldn't. That's bad business.
Again, you seem to have a striking lack of business acumen (maybe don't go to your mother for future lessons if this is any indication of what she imparted). Profits can still rise without profit margin changing if you sell more units.

If Farmer Brown is suddenly able to undercut every other farmer in the area thanks to his automated workforce, he will enjoy increased profits even if his profit margin is unchanged from what it used to be.

LinkPizza posted...
You have places like In-N-Out which kinky order from a certain place.
I almost want to ask what you meant by this sentence, but I'm afraid I would learn a lot more about your personal tastes than I care to...

LinkPizza posted...
Animal feed will still cost money since it's bought from the store.
Unless it's produced by robots owned by the farm.

LinkPizza posted...
Even if you have a robot vet, you still need to buy the medicine.
Unless it's synthesized by the robot vet using materials it harvested itself.

LinkPizza posted...
Even with a robot butcher, you need to buy a butchering set for it to use.
Unless it makes one for itself.

LinkPizza posted...
And that also means buying those robots to do that stuff.
Unless you have another robot that will make them for you.

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TopicControversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109
06/02/21 5:57:59 AM
#285


LinkPizza posted...
And things should get cheaper over time, but not everything doesn't
Hey, another mangled sentence from the guy who insists he's good at speaking English.

LinkPizza posted...
And some things do get more expensive. Like roombas. Which has gone up in price.
The basic Roomba has not gone up in price. We've covered this at length already.

LinkPizza posted...
And I asked the question twice for emphases. Not because forgot I asked it.
Nice save - is that also why you incorrectly used the plural form of "emphasis" in this quote?

LinkPizza posted...
. And I still don't know why you thought I meant plates. Why would some "grow plates".
Should be a question mark at the end of that sentence.

Do you know what a question mark is? You don't seem to based on your posts.

Anyways, why would you ask about growing plates? Who knows? It's far from the most bizarre thing you've said in this topic so far, so it honestly didn't strike me as all that unusual given its source.

LinkPizza posted...
And people make typos. Especially when I have to write hundreds of replies. And you just keep adding more. So, typos will happens.
Weird how only one of us is habitually making typos (including one at the end of this post) and doing it numerous times per post.

Maybe you're just bad at this?

LinkPizza posted...
Not only that, but if the typo is a real word, it won't even show up with red or blue underlines. Meaning I won't even know there is a mistake...
Which says more about your level of English knowledge than anything else if you're counting on a computer to tell you when you're making a grammar or spelling mistake (which is all kinds of ironic considering the subject of our discussion...)

LinkPizza posted...
For hunting, some people may teach you for free if you can find them. If you can't classes cost money. So do the actual weapons and ammo. Which cost money. And like I said, if everyone was out doing it, there would a lot less. Not to mention the laws surrounding the amount and time you can kill them. And the fact that you will only find certain animals. You most likely won't find cows and chickens just running around. It's makes more sense to just go to the store and buy it. And there's still learning how to actually butcher it and stuff... And then, some people just suck at it. Or have a hard time actually killing the animal... Hence why some people are glad the farmers and butchers can do it for them...
None of which disproves the point that people can and do gather their own food for free. You can make your own bow and fletch your own arrows. You do not necessarily need someone else's services to hunt. It certainly makes it easier, but it isn't required.

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TopicControversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109
06/02/21 5:56:45 AM
#284
LinkPizza posted...
They paid for a bunch of food, and everybody partook. Again, free for you.
Which is what I said - this stuff is free. You don't need to pay for it.

All you're doing is admitting I'm right over and over and somehow not even realizing it.

LinkPizza posted...
That's like saying NetFlix is free since you use somebody else's account.
I mean, in that case, yeah, Netflix (no capital F, Mr. English Expert) would be free for you. That's not the same thing as saying it was free for everyone, of course, but if Netflix hypothetically offered one month free to all its subscribers then yeah, Netflix would be free for that month even though Netflix itself is paying costs associated with that decision.

You seem to struggle with understanding what the word "free" means, but given your English level in the rest of your post, that doesn't surprise me.

LinkPizza posted...
I think many sites have ads.
"You think" meaning you don't know.

LinkPizza posted...
I'm not admitting you right. I have no idea if any are really free.
"I'm not admitting you (should be "you're") right, I'm just taking refuge in my ignorance." Brilliant argument.

LinkPizza posted...
And I can tell you the scholastic book fair definitely wasn't free...
The fuck does this have to do with literally anything?

LinkPizza posted...
And yes. It would need to be all of it. You can't say game are free if only 2 out of 5 million were.
You asked why there wasn't free stuff around; I pointed you at free stuff.

The fact that paid stuff also exists does not mean there isn't free stuff. At this point, I think you're just upset that you've been so thoroughly debunked on this point.

LinkPizza posted...
But if you want to know, I said, "Video games are rarely free." And you tried to say that wasn't true by showing a bunch of free games on steam.
When I can show you literally tens of thousands of free games, that does not - by any meaningful metric - constitute a "rare" occurance.

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