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It's not really a joke. If they're so sexually maladjusted as to rape their dementia-addled mother, I fully expect that they'll try something with any women they can while in jail, and given their... limited physical prowess, I don't see that ending well. If they're identifying female at all, that's a solid reason to put them in a women's prison (since trans women in men's prisons have an extremely high likelihood of being assaulted in some capacity), but because of their established history of sexual deviancy, I see that also posing some issues.

To clarify, I'm not in any way trying to suggest that there's an appreciable number of dudes identifying as women to get into women's prisons for some easy sexytime. This is specifically a commentary on Chris Chan's behaviour, largely independent of their gender identity.

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In Canada, they don't even give a physical card. There's just an online account we can access with our provincial health card that contains the information, which is updated before we're done with the 15-minute waiting period. It's not particularly robust as proof of vaccination (it'd be very, very easy to edit a screenshot or printout to display a different name), but it is straightforward and convenient, as well as being very fast.

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Jen0125 posted...

If you eat it, you don't have anymore cake. So you can either HAVE cake or you can eat it.

That.

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Smarkil posted...

Except she's now being placed in women's prison. So.

So... however they identify, they'll be shanked by next Tuesday for trying to rape their cellmate.

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Ah yes, a favourite of doctors everywhere for whatever ails you.

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I'm really curious what he thought they'd do to him. It's a given that it'd be overpriced, because the American health insurance system is thoroughly broken, but "make me bleed for days" just sounds like a straight up phobia of doctors.

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Notschmendrake posted...

so wait, I just want to be clear on the asinine point y'all are getting at

Sexual Dimorphism in humans is not a thing and people born genetically male do not have a physical advantage over people born genetically female?

More accurately: Allowing trans people to compete as their target gender has been a thing for well over a decade now, and the fears about trans athletes "dominating the competition" don't seem to have come to fruition. The absolute worst example anyone can find relies on completely misrepresenting the facts of the case (an orbital fracture is no more "breaking her skull" than a broken nose would be), and even then, Fox didn't perform better than anyone else.

In theory, yeah, it's an issue. In practice, there hasn't been a real problem yet, despite plenty of opportunities. That means the most (really, only) sensible approach is to relax and let the cards fall where they will. Those making these decisions are keeping a careful eye on their ramifications, so if a problem does arise, they'll deal with it by adjusting the criteria (even now, there are requirements for hormone levels that have to be met, which can be tweaked very easily as needed). In the mean time, this fearmongering about having cis women pushed completely out of sports by trans women (mostly coming from people that couldn't have cared less about women's sports because they became an opportunity to dunk on trans people) is both baseless and pointless. Calm down.

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Ultimately, the problem with making any decently secure system lies on the business end of things. A paper record is pretty much useless in that regard. Anyone can print out and sign a vaccination record themselves, and the restaurants or whatever that check them won't know the difference (since they won't be taking the time to contact the doctor that allegedly signed it). Even "scan a QR code and check it against a photo ID" is a lot more infrastructure than most businesses can be expected to develop for a relatively short-term need (though hypothetically, anyone with a phone could pull that off with an app, so that's probably the most reasonable approach).

Really, what's needed is a countrywide database of immunization statuses, an app for letting people access their data, and another app (or at least a function within the first app) to allow businesses to validate that data before letting people in. But that requires a cohesive plan from the government (which changed hands at the most critical time for developing such a thing), plus IT and government are never a good combination.

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Clench281 posted...

The juggler? I think you mean the juggalo.

Ah yes, my mistake. Thank you for the correction.

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Mead posted...

you lost literally every colony my dude

And here we see Mead going directly for the juggler.

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Notschmendrake posted...

Yall remember when fallon fox broke that woman's skull in a sanctioned MMA fight?

Calling an orbital fracture (a fairly common injury in MMA, what with all the face-punching going on) a "broken skull" is more than a little misleading. I'd actually go so far as to call it fearmongering. Careful you don't get blisters from clutching those pearls so hard.

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papercup posted...

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/08/shareholders-sue-activision-blizzard-for-withholding-harassment-info/

Sickness must be purged!

There we go. That's a proper step in the right direction. Obviously, it's still nothing more than a cynical money grab (the shareholders wouldn't be caring at all if the harassment allegations didn't have a high chance of damaging stock prices), but pissed-off shareholders are about the only thing corporations will listen to.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

When you're in the middle of a crisis where no one is really taking charge and hundreds of people, groups, local governments, or private businesses are being forced to invent policy on the fly with no real guidance, there's going to be a LOT of counter-intuitive s*** going on.

Bonus points where many of those groups and governments are actively working against sensible responses to the situation because the whole response to the pandemic has been framed as an assault on freedom.

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Sega9599 posted...

But you can't fix a lot of the problems. How do you fix the angry guy who just trashes every place he's put into and doesn't want to work?

Depending on the roots of the issue, therapy/rehab, mostly. Obviously, you can't force that on people and there will inevitably be people that would rather refuse the help. Unfortunately, those are the ones that probably should just end up in jail for their belligerence, since there really isn't much more you can do with them except forcibly isolate them from society so they don't hurt anyone. That shouldn't, however, discourage efforts to help everyone else, any more than the ~5% of people that blatantly abuse welfare should be used to justify taking it away from everyone else.

Of course, saying that, Medicine Hat has pulled it off despite that apparent reality (I hate to keep bringing them up, but as one of the few areas that's actually tried this approach, their success is extremely relevant here). I don't know off-hand how they handle people that refuse help, but I guess they've found something that works, because they have succeeded.

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If memory serves, it was some manner of fryer accident.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Yea. You're wrong.

You're really, really bad at arguing.

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Kanatteru posted...

most of us just aren't really dominating in sports

It's almost like not being able to participate in school-level sports without experiencing life-threatening dysphoria makes it kind of hard to reach any sort of elite status after high school.

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MartianManchild posted...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/04/poll-vaccinated-more-concerned-than-unvaccinated-covid-variant/5467066001/

Heres a official poll about it.

Has anyone actually argued with your claim that vaccinated people are more concerned? That's not something you really need to provide evidence for.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Clearly you don't understand American healthcare. They would have made me bleed for days to "heal me". They actually just want thousands of dollars.

No, they would have told you to put some polysporin on it and keep it covered while it healed. Nobody would bother doing surgery or anything like that on a second-degree burn, especially one so small and far away from anything vital. had it been on your face or neck, they may have hospitalized you for observation to make sure it didn't swell up and interfere with your breathing, and if it had covered a significant portion of your body they would keep you around on a saline drip to monitor your vitals and ensure you stayed properly hydrated (widespread burns interfere with thermoregulation and water retention abilities), but that's about it.

What you're doing is only marginally less ridiculous than bragging about not going to the doctor for a paper cut. That was not an injury that would require medical attention for anyone. You're not remotely special for recovering from it without medical help, and being able to recover from a minor superficial injury indicates nothing about your ability to survive infection with a life-threatening disease.

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LinkPizza posted...

I know. But you wouldnt get in trouble since its just his name. Plus, I thought bypassing the censor was against the rules or whatever

Or just put like Kody or whatever

Zeus is a little paranoid about being modded. Presumably he's trying to avoid drawing attention to his posts.

OhhhJa posted...

It's an oversimplification but him and his administration could make it happen

At least until one or more local public health authorities decided they wouldn't accept or issue the smaller cards for whatever reason. It seems simple, but it's something that does require coordination and consensus between multiple levels of government. That's not something that has come easily at any point in this pandemic, especially when it comes to anything related to mandating vaccines.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

I healed this without a doctor,

I really don't know why you're so proud of that as to keep bringing it up. It's a pretty basic second-degree burn. Even if you had gone to a doctor, all they'd do is tell you to put some polysporin on it and keep it covered while it healed, which I'm guessing is pretty much what you did.

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PunishedOni posted...

because its shitty to see people constantly and deliberately using the wrong pronouns for someone because they disapprove of them. it demonstrates how paper-thin liberal 'acceptance' of trans people is.

Eeyup. Caitlyn Jenner's probably one of the most egregious examples of this: There are many people that claim to be pro-trans and whatnot, but will misgender Jenner (... misjenner >.>) because she's a bad person. That's just not how acceptance works. If you treat correctly gendering people as a privilege that can be revoked if they misbehave badly enough, you never actually accepted them and are not at all pro-trans. Jenner can be both a woman and a quasi-sentient skidmark masquerading as a human.

It's the same vein as only using the N-word to describe particularly poorly-behaved black people. If you ever think that using somebody's race as a basis for insulting them is okay, whatever the context, you're racist. Similarly, if you ever think that misgendering somebody to insult them is okay, you're transphobic.

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LinkPizza posted...

I never said they did. I did say they would eat us, though

LinkPizza posted...

So, we are doing onto others as they do onto us

The issue here is not merely eating the animals, but rather raising them in horrible, torturous conditions. Unfortunately, it's simply not possible to meet the US' demand for meat without resorting to such practices, so enforcing improvements in animal welfare is going to require people to eat less meat. In truth, that's generally a good thing, both nutritionally and ethically.

lihlih posted...

I never understood ethical treatment of animals that are going to be eaten anyway. What's the point of treating animals nicely if their whole purpose in life is just to feed us?

Generally, because torturing animals for profit and convenience isn't a great precedent.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Humans survived all the way until recent history using adaptive immunity before we started making drugs that caused more harm than good and pretending that we are smarter than nature.

Your basis for believing that natural antibody production is better than vaccines is the fact that the entire human race hasn't been wiped out yet? And you're just ignoring all of the major public health crises that magically stopped being problems altogether shortly after their vaccines were introduced, despite showing no signs of slowing down before then?

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Fam_Fam posted...

i guess 1 case proves a rule

Better than 0 cases does, at least.

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Mostly because this hasn't been an issue before Covid. Before, the only instances where you'd need to produce proof of vaccination would be for certain jobs or schooling (and similar things), in which case you show it once and it gets added to your file. The notion of needing to carry it everywhere and present it to get into regular businesses is very much a new thing, and the existing system of doing things hasn't had a chance to catch up to that yet (especially where nobody planned for this because it was hoped that it wouldn't be necessary).

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Because I already produce covid antibodies.

And what data do you have to suggest that that makes infection safer than vaccination?

SunWuKung420 posted...

Immunology

You're going to have to do more to explain your belief than stating the name of the field that encompasses it.

SunWuKung420 posted...

Brick home. I fired them myself.

But your leap in logic to fail at proving a point is hilarious.

If you're going with the logic that "man-made things are worse than natural" as the sole basis for your position, it stands to reason that you should also opt to use natural things over man-made in all other aspects of your life. Otherwise, you're just creating exceptions, and if you're making exceptions, that logic stops meaning anything on its own. You'll need to explain why this isn't an exception to justify anything.

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It's short for "dimensional padawan," referring to the traditional method of making it by taking Jedi students that failed their classes and forcing them through a dimensional vortex that compressed them into a plastic cross shape. For reasons unknown, one of these vortices opened directly into one of Nintendo's factories in the early 80's, helping them develop the controllers that would shape the future of gaming forever.

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KodyKeir posted...

Sure, but we don't have to use corn syrup to make it.

We don't, though for at-home candy making, it's by far the easiest option available to add glucose to prevent crystallization. Simply adding straight glucose would be better (both in terms of effectiveness and nutritionally, since it's corn syrup's fructose content that's the main problem), but you usually have to go out of your way to find that, plus it's a real pain to work with.

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Not for the sake of upholding the naturalistic fallacy.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

I'm still going to trust nature over man-made and that's ok.

Do you live in a hollow tree?

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Given that zantax now causes cancer and Benadryl causes dementia, I'll say no.

Given that being infected with Covid has a pretty significant chance of causing you to drown in mucus, I'll say yes.

Literally every available piece of data supports the conclusion that the Covid vaccines are safer than being infected by Covid. Literally no available data supports the conclusion that being infected by Covid is safer than the Covid vaccines. Why are you so desperately attached to the latter belief?

SunWuKung420 posted...

Developing a natural antibody profile through exposure, especially if you never developed symptoms, is far more effective than anything man can make.

What is your basis for believing this?

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BEERandWEED posted...

I prefer "Your mom uses hoes."

That explains her lovely garden.

If you know what I mean.

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honkzilla posted...

Does this dude always have these delusions of grandeur or is he just showing off because he's got a crush on me or something

He pretty consistently acts like this. It's kinda weird.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Is your price of freedom $100?

Lol.

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darkknight109 posted...

Again, this isn't difficult - the people wanted hogs to be treated more ethically and they're going to get it. It will cost more, but that is something California voters are apparently willing to accept as a price for more ethical meat. Honestly? Good for them.

Heck, given how heavily meat is already subsidized in America, I won't be surprised if further subsidies are added to help offset the increased costs (or at least to help farmers become compliant with the new rules).

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Remember when Kotick put out a heartfelt plea asking people to stop drawing devil horns on his pictures, saying it was interfering with his ability to date because his prospective romantic partners kept googling his name and finding those pictures? Good times...

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Reigning_King posted...

In other words if you're sane or not?

I don't think attitudes toward promiscuity are considered part of any modern clinical definitions of sanity, outside of really extreme cases like pathological sex addiction.

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OhhhJa posted...

Shaming can actually be a great way to motivate people. Not everyone is a big sensitive baby

If people find motivation in shaming, it's in spite of the feelings of shame you're trying to create, not because of it. That means you can provide that motivation without trying to create feelings of shame, presuming you're actually trying to motivate them and not just coming up with a flimsy justification for wanting to insult them.

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Mead posted...

someone eating like that with that kind of weight has some serious issues going on and they need some real professional help to figure out what is wrong and what step are best to correct the mindset that has resulted in their lifestyle and poor health

making cruel statements or laughing at them are likely just going to make things worse

Pretty much. Nobody makes healthy weight loss decisions out of shame. Feelings of shame just promote eating disorders.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

I shame fat people because it's gross, but also I want to counteract enablers who are being actively unhelpful.

"I just enjoy making fun of people when I know they can't tell me I'm wrong."

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Depends if you consider hoedom to be a negative thing or not.

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As much as this is generally a good thing, I can't help but feel bad for the minimum wage front-line workers that will face all of the backlash from this. They had to deal with enough (including actual violence) from people over masks; this may just push some of those jackasses over the edge.

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Clench281 posted...

And if anyone here can speak to manufacturing blood, we know that's me.

Excuse you. I've manufactured way more blood than you. #straightdonorprivilege

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Zeus posted...

There wasn't a word missing

Zeus posted...

It makes my blood when

That could be the entirety of what you meant to say, but given your infatuation with trying to spin people's word choices against them and the fact that this really isn't a context where the manufacturing of blood is particularly relevant, I'm pretty comfortable assuming you left out a verb.

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Zeus posted...

It sometimes is. It makes my blood when people pretend to know every single person's motivation

When well-intentioned efforts end up causing more harm than good because of preventable ignorance, any good intent behind them is nullified by not caring enough about the matter or the people involved to figure out how to do it properly. Good intentions that end up being harmful because of laziness are only marginally better than malice.

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It's a start, but I wouldn't call it any more than a token gesture to make it look like they're doing something.

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Very slightly, but hopefully that gains steam (though as I said in another topic, each additional vaccine offers augmenting returns over the previous one in terms of public protection, so even small improvements are more significant than they seem). Meanwhile, the surge in daily cases isn't showing any signs of levelling off yet, and deaths are starting to creep up to match it.

As a side note, it looks like case and death numbers are consistently dramatically lower (like 80-90%) on weekends than weekdays. The most obvious explanation is that the folks in charge of tallying them up aren't working, but I would have figured an issue this significant would warrant bringing on extra staff to have 24/7 coverage. Weird.

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Revelation34 posted...

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-business-health-california-coronavirus-pandemic-5ebe70407fcd94ef712c16410f32c4b1

"In Iowa, which raises about one-third of the nations hogs, farmer Dwight Mogler estimates the changes would cost him $3 million and allow room for 250 pigs in a space that now holds 300."

Which, in turn, means the price of pork products can be expected to increase by ~20% to compensate for the lost production capacity. That's enough to cut down on the amount people are going to be buying, certainly, but it's hardly "California has no more bacon," and it's not such a prohibitive loss as to warrant cutting out California's market entirely.

The fact that so few pig farmers have hit the targets is less a matter of those targets being unattainable and more a matter of them deciding it was hard and hoping the law would be changed before coming into effect.

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My usual approach is to set my alarm for an hour before I need to leave, then snooze it for half an hour and rush through breakfast and whatnot. Working from home, though, there's no commute to consider, so I'll leave it much later and typically eat breakfast at my desk.

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

by that definition a homeless person could claim some spot on the street as their "home" and would therefore no longer be homeless.

I mean, that is actually what RK is trying to do (by saying he's not homeless while having no fixed address and living in a tent/motel rooms), but no, that's not how it works. A homeless person can't actually "claim" a spot on the street. They can set up there and stay there, but they have no recognized claim to that spot until somebody with the authority to do so actually says "this is yours" (generally with conditions, such as a lease). That's what's meant by "permanent": Having an explicitly defined right to be there.

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