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LeonhartFour posted...

Phoenix mentions "the hotel next door" at one point, so I still wonder if the WAA is in the same place the old Wright & Co. Law Offices were.

Probably just a translation gaffe, because the office sure looks like same from the previous games.
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LeonhartFour posted...

6-6 time

the fact that Larry references Phoenix's "career" as a pianist means they must have kept in touch to some degree during those seven years

I don't think one can just fall out of touch with Larry. He's like a scar from when you crashed your bike at age seven. He's completely harmless, but he's permanent and a reminder of the most painful memory of your childhood.
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I just remember being somewhat in denial as I uncovered the additional testimony and started deciphering what exactly the whole thing really meant, and as I scrolled through the evidence, I just had the bloodstain up for a minute, and then yelled, "fuck" when it clicked for me.

I also love how when you point out where Dhurke's corpse is, the cursor is already on the sarcophagus. Granted, that's because it's in the center of the room, but why waste that time getting to the obvious conclusion from there?
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LeonhartFour posted...

Inga Karkhuul Haw'kohd Dis'nahm Bi'ahni Lawga Ormo Pohmpus Da'nit Ar'edi Iz Khura'in III

can't even fit it all in a single text box

The best part of this gag is going to the Ace Attorney wikia and seeing this as the opening sentence.

Inga Karkhuul Haw'kohd Dis'nahm Bi'ahni Lawga Ormo Pohmpus Da'nit Ar'edi Iz Khura'in III, known simply as Inga Karkhuul Khura'in, was the Minister of Justice for the Kingdom of Khura'in.

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I immediately figured what the photo of Amara with the baby was supposed to mean, but at the same time, I figured there was a still a possibility they may not go that route. Is it really weird for Amara to be photographed attending to her "niece" like that, given her role as a caretaker in the current day?
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LeonhartFour posted...

yeah that's the biggest inconsistency with the nature of spirit channeling in the series

maybe Dahlia was just that powerful herself who knows

she's technically a Fey too

Isnt the whole reason the Hawthorne girls get abandoned is because they have no spiritual power?
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Raka_Putra posted...

Deid Mann for CB X.

Doing his match picture would suck, because the only official art of him that's not his mugshot is the security footage of him fulfilling his life's purpose. And his face isn't even visible there.
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LeonhartFour posted...

whew 6-2 finally complete

I really wish they had split that up into two short days instead of one long day. I feel like it would've helped the pacing. Anyway, numbers soonish.

Probably, but I do appreciate how the awkward pacing of the case ends up feeding into the story. It felt like confronting Retinz would have normally happened on a second trial day while Apollo gets the chance to dig up his background, but instead, he has to do it on the same day because Retinz will own the lawfirm if he doesn't.
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LeonhartFour posted...

"Manov Mistree"

I'm not totally sure the English puns in SoJ aren't more absurd than the Khur'ain puns.
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Going on a trip to meet Apollo sounds like a good way to get arrested under suspicion for murder. >_>

To be fair, in the Ace Attorney universe you have a 50% chance of getting arrested under suspicion for murder just by walking down the street.

Also, your purpose in life is determined by your pun name, which means Deid Mann's parents must have thought he was a really ugly baby.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Nah, he does say in the prologue of 6-1 that he came to Khura'in early because he was worried about Maya. He doesn't elaborate on why though.

But isn't it a part of Retinz's plan in 6-2 that he timed his scheme when Phoenix was out of the country?
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NeoElfboy posted...

People in Ace Attorney die really easily compared to real life in general, particularly from blunt trauma.

I don't know why they always have them die from single blows. Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch for Peeslub to kill Pothole with one guitar blow, but he could easily do it with several blows.
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LeonhartFour posted...

not that I'm an expert or anything but I do wonder if you could actually kill someone by hitting them over the head one time with a wooden guitar

I guess if you hit the right spot

Well, this does remind me that Jake The Snake Roberts got his neck fucked up really badly with a non-gimmicked guitar shot from the Honky Tonk Man back in the day. Peeslub seems in good enough shape that he could pull that off.
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What I wouldn't give to hear Iron Sheik read every post in this topic.
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ScareChan posted...

specifically after an ejection you cant create a foul at all in basketball. See end of game 1 of the nba finals this year

and dolph was like passed out at the time so it can be hard to keep peanlizing him on that

It makes more sense I think for him to get fined for it in kayfabe

but a second dq makes sense too, either one really

The ref should have absolutely called for a second DQ after McIntyre pulled Seth out of the ring for the second part of the beatdown, if you consider that the ref's job includes the safety of Seth Rollins. If Drew's interference becomes a hindrance to Dolph, he will stop attacking Seth.
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LeonhartFour posted...

"So I lowered my emergency ladder like the detective leading the evacuation told me to" is such a great little bit of foreshadowing that they drop an entire case in advance and do a callback to it at the exact right moment to make it all click. They even have the fact that Fulbright led the evacuation after the bombing listed in his profile the entirety of both cases.

I wish they would have used the Revisualization for the Fulbright reveal, as opposed to earlier in the case. Because it's such a great plot twist, but they just drop it on the player instead of leading you to figure it out on your own. Instead, the mechanic centered around guiding the player to uncovering plot twists is used on the rather mundane conclusion that Athena stabbed her killer instead of her mother.
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The classic item sounds of Mario and Zelda come to mind instantly.
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LeonhartFour posted...

the funny thing about Tonate confessing that there was another person in the room when he killed Detective Arme (why would you kill someone with a witness right there and why would you let him get away) is that the other person in the room is listening to him say all of this

I wonder who Fulbright was disguised as then

To be fair, considering Tonate noticed what he was stealing, it wasn't going to be the worst outcome to let him go. It gave Ted a chance to cover everything up, and possibly get the credit for being a hero in the situation. He'd have gotten away with it except that the bloody writing wasn't blown up because the bomb case was covering it up.
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The Khu'rain names are so A'rebal that they are kind of charming to me. I couldn't stop groan laughing when I heard Rheel Neh'mu.
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LeonhartFour posted...

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LeonhartFour posted...

I don't think he ever actually confesses to the bombing. He only confesses to killing Arme.

Doesn't he say that he blew up a second bomb in order to steal the HH-3000 bomb?

okay I just got to this part

He doesn't explicitly say he blew up the bomb. He said he replaced it with a bomb he made, and when the Judge asks if that's a confession, he just says, "Take it as you will."

so it's implied but never overtly stated

but the idea that he swapped the bombs is a blatant lie anyway

Yeah, I suppose he doesn't actually admit to the bombing itself, but instead presents a scenario where it could only have been Ted Tonate that bombed the courtroom, because no one else could have triggered a second bomb.

What a weird scenario, where the murderer actually confesses to a potentially more serious crime to escape his murder charge.
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LeonhartFour posted...

I don't think he ever actually confesses to the bombing. He only confesses to killing Arme.

Doesn't he say that he blew up a second bomb in order to steal the HH-3000 bomb?
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LeonhartFour posted...

I like how 5-1 makes you think that Tonate was the courtroom bomber, and you don't even find out until 5-5 that it wasn't him.

I think he actually confessed to the bombing at one point in order to make his bomb bluff work.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Means openly asking for a recess in order to dispose of the murder weapon is the perfect capstone on this case

No no no. The perfect capstone of this case is Means's declaration of his Gavinners fandom as he etches their logo on the chalkboard while confessing his guilt.
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So, we are getting close to the best moment of the case, when Athena realizes her kinky side.
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Ah yeah, that ROOKIE Robbie E.

Imagine if they sign him and cut Ryder

No way, not when they can form a dream team called the Hype Bro Mans.
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Welp, this sure was a memorable run, bay bay.
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Pepsiman is tremendous. If we ever do licensed characters in a contest, we need to get him in.
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RaidenZeroX posted...

Has Roman ever had one of those injuries that kept him out for 6+ months? I can't really recall him being injured, just suspended. If anyone didn't get the return from injury pop, it'd be him.

Well, not since he became a main event guy. However, he did miss almost half of 2014 with his hernia, which didn't help him any with his main event push, as Ambrose main evented almost all of the B-level PPVs and Ziggler got his Survivor Series run. Had Roman been able to have show-stealing performances in the latter half of 2014, the reception to him winning the 2015 Rumble might have been a little bit warmer.
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I love Means is so arrogant that he carries the murder weapon around in broad daylight for the entire case (including when it should be inside the victim, but that was a programming oversight).
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LeonhartFour posted...

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Pearl's DD design (and personality, honestly) borders on being cowardly, like they didn't want to offend the people who liked her as an 8-year old so they hardly changed her at all despite 8 -> 17 (or whatever) being a ridiculous transition. I thought they did a much better job aging Maya convincingly (and this is coming from someone who likes Pearl more than Maya and DD more than SoJ).

Honestly, I wish they had gotten rid of the top knot on Maya, but overall, she actually looks like her age.

They definitely played it safe with Pearl though.

NeoElfboy posted...

Was Means trying to frame Hugh as framing Juniper? 5-3 is a case I'm weirdly hazy on specifics for. Definitely a bit of a weak spot in an otherwise stellar game for case construction.

It's kind of hard to figure out exactly what Means was up to. I imagine all along he planned to defend Juniper and get her acquitted with false evidence. He might have intentionally made Juniper look more suspicious with the tape recording when Athena took her defense instead in order to get Juniper to switch her defense over to him since he didn't trust Athena to win the case legitimately, which nearly happened. I don't know who he intended to take the fall originally, but he probably could've just conflated everything with false evidence to get them all off.

If Means was trying to get all three of them off the hook as he promised Juniper, he could probably frame Myriam for it as she was the one who owned the tape recorders. Its not exactly a huge deal what his exact motivations were, because the key piece of his coverup was his attempt to take Junies defense, where it would be ideal to get Juniper off the hook for his own credibility, but would still get away with murder if he couldnt beat Blackquill by forging evidence.
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NeoElfboy posted...

Was Means trying to frame Hugh as framing Juniper? 5-3 is a case I'm weirdly hazy on specifics for. Definitely a bit of a weak spot in an otherwise stellar game for case construction.

In regards to the tape recorder, Means seemed to have planted the "YOU'RE A GONER" tape with the primary goal to frame Juniper, but had Hugh be the one who turned it into the police, knowing suspicion would fall to Hugh if they found out it was actually the recording from the mock trial.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Well, Phoenix definitely gets all the luck with defendants. He doesn't have any that are truly bad (yes I'm one of those people who likes Max). Sasha and Ellen just happen to be at the bottom.

I suppose that's the trade off for representing actual bad defendants like Matt Engarde and Paul Atishon.
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It's clearly Bobby Fulbright and The Phantom.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Also 5-6 takes place almost exactly ten years after 2-2 so I guess that's how long the Magatama's power can last before it needs to be recharged.

That probably depends on how often it sat dormant for those seven years Phoenix was inactive as a lawyer. If he had been active as an attorney/investigator longer and thus got more use, it might have lost its "battery" sooner.
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LeonhartFour posted...

also as someone who was a huge wrestling fan growing up I kinda love that your biggest hint that Damian is the Amazing Nine-Tails is how much he hams it up as Tenma Taro

I never really thought of it that way, mostly because isn't everyone is a ham in Ace Attorney?

(now, the fact that he's a former wrestler-turned-mayor in Capcom game should have been the real giveaway.)
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LeonhartFour posted...

let's get Phoenix Wright into Smash Ultimate

He has a good track record of getting into fighting games with Ultimate in the title, at least.
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LeonhartFour posted...

I feel like Phoenix is in control by the end of 2-2 day 1. There was no real desperation in an attempt to stay alive with his theory of Maya leaving the room..

I'd say the big difference between 2-2 and 5-2's locked room mystery is that the player knows that Maya could not have possibly escaped the room, because we were there with Phoenix as Maya entered the only way in the room up until the incident occurred. Even if Franziska is on the ropes, we know for a fact that Phoenix is stalling for the end of the day so we can dig up dirt on the obviously suspicious guilty parties, whereas an absurd theory about throwing keys into air vents is actually possible to the player in 5-2.
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LeonhartFour posted...

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I'm not sure exactly how an out-of-practice artist that never got that far in his formal education would make money

I mean we don't know how far he got in his formal education! Maybe he was a double major and has degrees in both law and art! We don't even know what his artistic talent was. Either way, it's weird that his first choice is piano/poker.

And yeah, his real job is playing poker, but how did he (or the restaurant he worked at) discover he was so good at it? He had to start with playing piano first, right? I agree it makes sense that he's good at it because he's so good at bluffing, reading people, reacting quickly, and not being afraid to take risks. It also makes sense to me that he wouldn't want to be involved in any kind of illegal gambling because he's still a lawyer deep down.

Well, I'm pretty sure the idea is that Phoenix never gave up on what happened in 4-0, so the piano/poker gig was his way of staying close to the crime underworld and learning the truth. After all, it was how he was able to meet Zak again.

And if we were to assume that music was actually Phoenix's artistic "talent," well maybe it really wasn't a backup profession worth choosing. Considering nearly every actual artist in the series has a secret regarding their real profession or is Larry, it would probably end up playing out in the same direction.
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LeonhartFour posted...

you know it's never occurred to me before but Phoenix was an art student in college so why doesn't he do something related to that instead of pretending to play piano?

I'm not sure exactly how an out-of-practice artist that never got that far in his formal education would make money, at least in comparison to his gig of never losing at poker in the basement of a seedy bar.
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Heroic Bigpun posted...

That's another thing, he had a main goal of beating 1000 games and then claiming he would retire from video games after that but one day someone examined his list and he had weird things like Pac-Man on there so someone from board 8 help him clean up the list and it became a bit more legit. But then one day he got Xbox Live and got a gamertag and when people were looking at his games, they noticed that he didn't have the achievements for beating them even though he claimed he did.

So who knows if he actually reached that 1000 like he's claiming right now

But either way he's clearly not going to stop playing

I also remember some of his criteria for beating a game being questionable. For fighting games, he would count them as beat if he went through arcade mode once on the lowest difficulty, even if there was a single player campaign of actual substance.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Yeah, that's true. They went to the effort to make up a disease in the previous case and then used two real ones in 4-0. I mean, I guess in the case of Incuritis, they had to use a fictitious disease since Borginian cocoons are also fictitious, but they could've made up something for Magnifi, too.

Also, Gumshoe's numbers are now final, at least until AA7...!

On the note of the Borginian cocoons and Incuritis, is the poison that the cocoons make suppose to be Atroquinine, the poison that shows up in 4-4?
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