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I'm confused as to why it even came up, one of GAA1's issues is how mind numbingly easy it is and how it treats you like an idiot. I did not feel like GAA2 was particularly hard other than a small handful of presents.

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Yeah it's just not even close to the same experience.

Imagine watching on YouTube and there's some kind of huge story revalation or emotional moment and then 1/2 of the screen gets covered up by "Cr1tikal reacting to a new Karen meltdown"

If you want to play a game, buy it. Unless you straight up can't actually get the game (I2)

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If I had been watching an LP of Umineko I would not have had the experience of literally being unable to progress some of the text boxes in episode 8 for 15-20 minutes because of how hard I was crying, lol.

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The year has not been particularly strong, not to downplay GAA. It's gonna be between this, Arise, and almost certainly Endwalker.

It's gonna be funky if I have to consider 1 and 2 as a single contender, because GAA1 is the worst game I've played this year (which has not been a ton, to be fair).

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OK that was kind of a total mess of a final case but in a good way. I2 as a whole has got to be the most interwoven narrative from start to finish for any single game in the franchise.

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About halfway through the last case of I2 I think.

Boy do I ever still just hate Lotta Hart.

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It's wierd because it's more like 1 long game than 2 games, and GAA1 is basically just the first half of an AA game in terms of stakes, but given the structure and narrative gravitas of a normal AA narrative. It results in a confusingly dull first product.

Meanwhile, almost all of GAA2 is like the bomb drops and payoffs of the latter half of an AA game, so it's almost cheating because other than one normal case it's basically all either super tied to the core plot and narrative or delivering on threads.

As such it's almost like you HAVE to play them back to back to really appreciate it.

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I am with you on basically all points except I was even harsher on GAA1, so I will say this: GAA2 is absolutely stupendous and basically everything is fixed. The games are absolutely night and day in terms of quality. I would strongly advise going straight into GAA2, and ainsay that having made it super clear that, had these been a package deal, there's basically no chance I would have bought GAA2 in the first place after having beaten the first one.

These games being reviewed as one product because of the package release REALLY causes some confusing expectations.

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I2

This Debeste guy is like trying to argue with Corrik.

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Playing I2 and I'm reminded how some of the evidence presenting in this series is super frustrating.

Some times something in logic is so obvious you don't even think to do it.

And now this thing here where I have the piece of evidence I need to present, but I still have to say I don't have it, because the evidence to present just shows where the other evidence is. It's an attempt at being cheeky, but every other AA game would have you say "I have evidence to present".

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Just had a thought that a long case featuring a heavily shortned G1-4 as a single day of investigation and trial, only to be followed up by a mostly intact G2-2 would have been a pretty fantastic case. They even sow the seeds of the characters in 1-4 already to begin with!

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Said fuck it and got I2 running on my phone.

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"Will you be mine, Mike Meekins?"


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Could be someone new, though I don't know who they pull unless they're propping up new blood. It's not like Capcom has an expansive library of story focused games nowadays.

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If I had to imagine an actual fear for AA7, it would be an enormous time jump with a new lead. I'm talking a few decades, something that would make older versions of the old characters show up with DARK SECRETS to be revealed in the last 2 cases. One of the main lawyers or assistants would almost certainly end up the final victim.

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Of course they could just straight up add a new lawyer to lead...but I think we may have reached full lawyer bloat.

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Imagine a case with Athena as the lead and Trucy as the partner

Inject it into my veins.

I doubt we really get much of any more Trucy though since I don't think Apollo is going to have much of a presence at all moving forward. Feels like pretty definitely wanted to end his story. I DO expect a single case in the future with a huge triumphant Apollo return for one last rodeo.

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I should probably figure out how to give AAvPL another try one day, but unfortunately it's still stuck on original hardware. I imagine it being a crossover is the cause.

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I actually can't speak to its quality because I straight up can't remember a damn thing other than it being the nostalgia for Maya case.

Which...I honestly always liked both Trucy and Athena especially more than Maya, not gonna lie. And I don't like Pearl. Really shows how damn good 3-5 is that that's still one of the GoaTs for me, lol.

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LeonhartFour posted...

SoJ does have 6 cases!

Man I mean vanilla and you know it!

Boy 6-6 sure is a forgettable case though, huh? 5-6 easily takes the cake there. Plus major spite towards 6-6 for shading Athena, which most of that game does which is the main reason I don't have it in second place. Give me my Athena Cykes game!

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colliding posted...

the outrage over handlegate is what caused them to not have anime cutscenes in GA2 obviously

Unironically will consider this canon.


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Paratroopa1 posted...

It's basically the Yuri Cosmo show, but I can't complain, because I think he's one of the funniest witnesses in the series but nobody ever talks about him.

Top 10 breakdown!

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G2-4 blending into G2-5 just feels like how 6-5 should have been handled. Nobody with a brain would have thrown a fit if SoJ had 6 cases on paper.


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colliding posted...

I feel like the game going out of its way to show you wagahai going through the cat door on no fewer than 2 occasions is enough of a "plant" to make it not feel like a "total" asspull. It's obviously completely absurd on multiple levels, but I guess I just don't care? Like to me this is not all that different than and even preferable to somebody showing up with a book on "evidence law" at the very last minute and objecting on those grounds

I actually don't think it being an asspull is that big a deal. Yeah it's one of the worst ones they've had in that regard but it is indeed set up...one of which causes a problem. The Evidence Law book is closer to what's his face in G1-4 giving you his policeman's manual.

My issue is that it's an inconsistent nightmare. It can suddenly make a handle on a door for no discernable reason, because the narrative needs it to because if it didn't then it would be too obvious. Never justified. It makes no noise even though it's literally chopping and sucking up thick wood. Never justified. If this was some mid trial goof then whatever, but this is the final piece of evidence, and the thing that caused extreme emotional turmoil for our assistent causing her to consider giving up law. If it's this damn important then it needs to actually make SENSE, and not something Takumi came up with then had to retrofit into the rest of the case somehow like it would obviously appear he did. There's only so far I can suspend my disbelief before it starts to damage the narrative for me, and I think bringing an Orca into the courtroom is honestly less nonsense than this device.

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I don't get the low rank for DD which is my #1 (can't speak for I2), but otherwise I agree with a lot of that.

I never got into the juries in this game at all, definitely a huge negative. The very last just was totally solid both in mechanics and meaningful presence. Everything before that was just annoying.

I really don't think the hologram and catbox are on the same level, though. One's a visual gag that's not really effecting anything and is pretty dang funny. The other is a fundamental core piece of case evidence that completely falls apart and damages the narrative.

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Friend live messaging me through 1-5 and I didn't even know he was playing through this until a few hours ago.

He is going through all the same motions as me so far, lol.

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I hope nobody actually feels like that's meaningful. Like it's not a bad thing but nobody actually cares.

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I have no problem if this is an actual regular full price mobile game. We have an actual Tales game in 2 weeks, so don't know why I see people complaining! Just a lot of them assuming it's gacha.

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https://youtu.be/YtG2tfvz0n0

First instinct was "oh no they're scrapping and starting over with a new Tales gacha for the 4th time."

But I think the opening scrawl is more likely implying this is an actual mothership title for mobile.

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GiftedACIII posted...

The hologram thing could easily just be handwaved as for the player's benefit to make the finale more visually appealing while in-universe it was just a microphone since that doesn't change anything.

Don't you take shadow dancing Sholmes away from me.

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GTM posted...

youtubing is hard, fixed

Perfection.

Animation in general were real on point for these games. Like as much as I hate 1-5, what's their name (literally don't remember) was a joy to see move.

Actual breakdowns were....mixed? Some of them weren't great but there were for sure some good ones. Obviously the last one was incredible. I still think 5 has the best breakdowns easy.

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GTM posted...

It was very easy, but it just felt sooo satisfying

That's why it was so good! Sholmes not putting on a front, knowing there's no reason to with Mikotaba. Mikotaba himself is great in this chapter. I would love to see more from them.

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Dangit GTM the videos are private!

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GTM posted...

https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=NJgVAZ8DUf0
https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=QGK2vvt2Hic

here you go, remove the spaces

Thank you for this.

I think my favorite animations in the final case were definitely everything around Sholmes. The dancing Sholmes hologram was incredible, but I am a sucker for the feet tapping Mikotaba. That entire section with him and Sholmes was wonderful.

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Also just....fuck, how does that thing even work???

Let's just ignore that they are already inconsistent with what it can do in the game itself, give it that benefit. This thing, based on the visual of the final product in game, creates a perfect cut out of a solid wooden structure, sucks it backwards, adds hinges, and secures it back perfectly in the blink of an eye? This is a funny throway crazy device which is totally fine to find in an AA game, it being in the game is fine. The problem is they took this stupid device and made it the MOST IMPORTANT DECISIVE PIECE OF EVIDENCE IN THE ENTIRE GAME, AS WELL AS THE CENTER OF EMOTIONAL TURMOIL FOR YOUR PARTNER?

It's absolutely embarrassing. As stated, had these not been a package, I probably would have had no faith in GAA2 and Takumi at all and just straight up not bought GAA2, which would have been a tragedy. I thought I would have cooled on how much I hated that piece of evidence but I have not and likely never will. It makes me feel just as angry as the ending shit on the beach in Death Stranding. I may actually hate G1 more than I liken G2.

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Also I didn't even mention, since I've complained about it before, the mysterious ability to suddenly add a handle, which it hadn't before and makes no sense for a cat door, and even if it had been a secret feature it is never brought up before or after. Not to mention Susato wouldn't even know if it had. An issue that exists purely because it had to have a handle for that cutscene to make sense and they said "well fuck it". Not even a throwaway line about "it can make tiny regular doors too!"

hombad46 posted...

I figured it was just done during a recess

Edit: Though now I'm not sure if you even get the thing before the last recess and if you don't that'd be bad yeah

And regardless there are still guards at the door during the recess.

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hombad46 posted...

Huh? What do you mean silent? I don't remember any time noise or lack of noise from it would matter?

She used it in the middle of the courtroom for a one time gag and nobody noticed.

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The projector is silly but still fun, and I love the trope of "everything the villain was saying in secrecy was actually being broadcast". It's also inconsequential to the actual mystery and not a piece of evidence the court needs to accept, and also something that could theoretically exist.

It's not even 10% as terrible as the completely unjustifiable and inconsistent completely silent cat-door maker, the single worst piece of evidence in the history of AA which just happens to be the lynchpin of the game's final case, and an absurdly major factor in how atrocious 1-5 is.

Also....they spend almost no time explaining how the hologram thing works?? What do you mean waste a ton of time? Unless they cut out a huge chunk of it for the localization, it basically spends...NO time on it. I think it was like 3 or 4 text boxes??

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What a great fucking game.

5 > 3 > G2 > 6 > 1 > 4 > I1 > 2 > G1


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2-5 probably right at the end.

YESSSSS DAMON GANT HOMAGE

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... If I proceed this text box forward I won't get to see Vigil humping the air towards Caidin anymore and I don't want that to happen.

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UGHHHHHH I'm like 99% sure I just hit the last save prompting checkpoint but it's gonna be a full day before I can clean this up.


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Start of 2-5

The most big dick move any judiciary adjacent villain has made thus far, lol.

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Everytime I think I have something figured out all the way, they start talking about it like it's fact in the investigation phase which means it's probably wrong??

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2-4

I feel like I already know so many "answers", but I can't for the life of me figure out how they're going to come together if I'm right.

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Pay the woman, counsel!

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Case 4 not pulling any fucking punches, huh??

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Man, I really gotta go back and play DD again. I was hoping we'd get some kind of console announcement soon, but I should probably just pick it and Apollo up on mobile before I play though Trilogy.

Naruhodo and Susato still sound like they got Bill and Mary down in accounting, though.

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